What do metrics say about Bam's offense?

[FultzNationRISE]

I havent seen a lot of Heat games this season but I often notice in the box score Bam leading the team in shots, even in games where Butler and Herro are playing. Which seems counterintuitive since Bam kinda makes Giannis' bag look like a Louis Vuitton.

And it's not like he's just cleaning up lobs and putbacks and scoring on a high %. You look at the box and he'll be 11-23 with no three pointers, leading the team in shots. He is taking a career high 7 FT's a game, which is pretty good although relative to his minutes and usage it's not crazy.

He's a good passer, and dangerous around the rim, and has good intangibles overall, but I see him take random midrange shots for instance that are lucky to hit the backboard, or try a dribble drive and have it end with it rolling out of bounds more often than anything else and I'm just puzzled why he's so often their leading shot taker.

Obviously the Heat are a very system oriented team and this seems to be part of their plan. I'm just curious if anyone has insight into what metrics say about him as an offensive player. Specifically about his shot volume, because his value in every other regard is easy to see, but I'm just perplexed why he often leads them in field goal attempts when he's not a particularly adept scorer.

ISB, or anyone with insight into the analytics? What's the word?

[beasted]

You're clearly going off of his play 2 years ago. His offensive game is polished now. It's not Hakeem smooth, but definitely Anthony Davis tier at the minimum. Giannis in no way, shape, or form is more offensively skilled than Bam at this point if you've been watching him this season.

He's honestly surprised me with his growth, I thought for sure he was tapped out on growth. Maybe it's working with Love or just his own drive to be better. His work ethic is clearly superstar-tier even if he never had the natural gifts of some others.

[FultzNationRISE]

You're clearly going off of his play 2 years ago. His offensive game is polished now. It's not Hakeem smooth, but definitely Anthony Davis tier at the minimum. Giannis in no way, shape, or form is more offensively skilled than Bam at this point if you've been watching him this season.

He's honestly surprised me with his growth, I thought for sure he was tapped out on growth. Maybe it's working with Love or just his own drive to be better. His work ethic is clearly superstar-tier even if he never had the natural gifts of some others.

You clearly didnt watch him in the playoffs last year, or you simply have an extremely under-nuanced eye for evaluation.

He’s a valuable player thanks to defense, passing, aggressiveness around the rim. As a ball handler and scorer, he is very inept. This had not been dramatically reformed in the limited amount of the Heat Ive seen this year.

So I think you have no idea what youre talking about.

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[Jasper]

bam is their best player by far, works hard day in and day ,as well as every game.

(butler is averaging like 15ppg on 9 shots)

[Xiao Yao You]

bam is their best player by far, works hard day in and day ,as well as every game.

(butler is averaging like 15ppg on 9 shots)

would they even make the play-in without Butler?

[beasted]

You clearly didnt watch him in the playoffs last year, or you simply have an extremely under-nuanced eye for evaluation.

He’s a valuable player thanks to defense, passing, aggressiveness around the rim. As a ball handler and scorer, he is very inept. This had not been dramatically reformed in the limited amount of the Heat Ive seen this year.

So I think you have no idea what youre talking about.

I'm not going to spend much time trying to argue with someone who doesn't watch him. I live in Miami and have watched a good 90% of Miami games for his entire career.

Two years ago I cringed when he took a jumper or made half court decisions that were not dribble handoffs. Last year I no longer cringed, rather hesitated when he took a jumper, but and felt he was on the cusp of being a perennial all-star, it's just his consistency and aggressiveness were always wavering. This year he has fully cemented himself as easily the 2nd best Center in the East and someone who will be a perennial all-star if you've actually watched him.

His jumper has opened up his whole game and allowed him to get to the FT line at the consistent volume he's been getting there. His ability to make more than 1 move has made Miami a true threat in what should be an anemic offense. Thus far (admittedly early) he has thoroughly been Miami's best player because he's absolutely consistent offensively and defensively.

He's literally blossomed and greatly exceeded my expectations offensively. He knows when to be aggressive and how to take over consistently in quarters 1-3. He's only one more step from making the transition from perennial all-star to superstar if he learns to take over in the 4th. That's the only link missing, but it's something even guys like Davis and Giannis struggle with at times.

[FultzNationRISE]

I'm not going to spend much time trying to argue with someone who doesn't watch him. I live in Miami and have watched a good 90% of Miami games for his entire career.

Two years ago I cringed when he took a jumper or made half court decisions that were not dribble handoffs. Last year I no longer cringed, rather hesitated when he took a jumper, but and felt he was on the cusp of being a perennial all-star, it's just his consistency and aggressiveness were always wavering. This year he has fully cemented himself as easily the 2nd best Center in the East and someone who will be a perennial all-star if you've actually watched him.

His jumper has opened up his whole game and allowed him to get to the FT line at the consistent volume he's been getting there. His ability to make more than 1 move has made Miami a true threat in what should be an anemic offense. Thus far (admittedly early) he has thoroughly been Miami's best player because he's absolutely consistent offensively and defensively.

He's literally blossomed and greatly exceeded my expectations offensively. He knows when to be aggressive and how to take over consistently in quarters 1-3. He's only one more step from making the transition from perennial all-star to superstar if he learns to take over in the 4th. That's the only link missing, but it's something even guys like Davis and Giannis struggle with at times.


Right on cue he’s 5-11 for 10 points in the first half so far.

He only scores twos, and does it at roughly 50%. Which is *okay* for a big, but in today’s game is just surprises me the Heat lean on that for the plurality of field goal attempts. It’s obviously something most teams have gone away from.

But yeah, tell everyone what an offensive marvel Bam Adebayo is. It really demonstrates the value of your insights.

[beasted]

Right on cue he’s 5-11 for 10 points in the first half so far.

He only scores twos, and does it at roughly 50%. Which is *okay* for a big, but in today’s game is just surprises me the Heat lean on that for the plurality of field goal attempts. It’s obviously something most teams have gone away from.

But yeah, tell everyone what an offensive marvel Bam Adebayo is. It really demonstrates the value of your insights.

He has 15 on 13 shots and he happened to blow a wide open dunk which is unusual.

On the season he's averaging 23 on 16 shots. If this isn't good, by your astound analysis what is the benchmark for a good offensive player? The same avg on 13 shots? 10 shots? He's averaging a 61% TS% which is the same as Davis. Embiid is at 62% TS. Again, what is a good number here?

Rather than be vague, let's instead illustrate your ineptitude by putting some tangible numbers to your illogical opinion.

[beasted]

23 PTS 10/20 FG 3/5 FT 7 REB 4 AST 1 TO after 3 quarters, playing against the best defensive front court in the NBA, and as the primary defender on Giannis for at least 50% of his floor time.

[FultzNationRISE]

He has 15 on 13 shots and he happened to blow a wide open dunk which is unusual.

On the season he's averaging 23 on 16 shots. If this isn't good, by your astound analysis what is the benchmark for a good offensive player? The same avg on 13 shots? 10 shots? He's averaging a 61% TS% which is the same as Davis. Embiid is at 62% TS. Again, what is a good number here?

Rather than be vague, let's instead illustrate your ineptitude by putting some tangible numbers to your illogical opinion.


Embiid is at 62% TS with a league high usage, while Bam is 60.6 with a medium usage. Bam basically converts all the dunks and putbacks available, so if you increased his usage through extra jump shots and post moves, his TS would plummet. Also: his eFG is abysmal. What saves him is being a good free throw shooter. As a field goal shooter he is NOT good.

And I never said he isnt valuable. Hes a good passer and busts his ass in the paint. Id be happy to have him on my team. But he IS awkward handling/shooting the ball. ItÂ’s a fact anyone with eyes can confirm. So it just surprises me to see him leading the team in field goal attempts. Thats the part Im asking about.

Dont soil your panties because someone else asks a question about your idol. Not everyone plasters their room as adults with posters of the local sports hero.

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[beasted]

The premise of your thread is that Bam has no offensive skillet and is a rich man's Gobert. You literally said he makes Giannis' bag look Louis Vuitton.

You seem to be walking that back now because you're clearly seeing that was a phenomenally dickheaded observation. He's a legitimate offensive threat. I don't feel like deep diving the numbers to show you how false your assumptions on assisted baskets and putbacks are.

As far as obsession with players. Really bro? Like LeBron's manhood hasn't fully engulfed your esophagus on a nightly basis? I barely post at all, you're just wrong. Lol, look how many posts you have. You live online to talk to random men on a message board. GTFOH. Do not come for meever again, clown.

[Proctor]

The premise of your thread is that Bam has no offensive skillet and is a rich man's Gobert. You literally said he makes Giannis' bag look Louis Vuitton.

You seem to be walking that back now because you're clearly seeing that was a phenomenally dickheaded observation. He's a legitimate offensive threat. I don't feel like deep diving the numbers to show you how false your assumptions on assisted baskets and putbacks are.

As far as obsession with players. Really bro? Like LeBron's manhood hasn't fully engulfed your esophagus on a nightly basis? I barely post at all, you're just wrong. Lol, look how many posts you have. You live online to talk to random men on a message board. GTFOH. Do not come for meever again, clown.

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[Xiao Yao You]

The premise of your thread is that Bam has no offensive skillet and is a rich man's Gobert. You literally said he makes Giannis' bag look Louis Vuitton.

You seem to be walking that back now because you're clearly seeing that was a phenomenally dickheaded observation. He's a legitimate offensive threat. I don't feel like deep diving the numbers to show you how false your assumptions on assisted baskets and putbacks are.

As far as obsession with players. Really bro? Like LeBron's manhood hasn't fully engulfed your esophagus on a nightly basis? I barely post at all, you're just wrong. Lol, look how many posts you have. You live online to talk to random men on a message board. GTFOH. Do not come for meever again, clown.

Rich man's Gobert! Gobert is the all-NBA/DPOTY not Bam :facepalm

[beasted]

Rich man's Gobert! Gobert is the all-NBA/DPOTY not Bam :facepalm

Rudy Gobert isn't even 1/3rd as offensively capable and is the epitome of awkward offensively. I agree that his defensive impact is above Bam's but defense isn't the focus of this thread.

[FultzNationRISE]

The premise of your thread is that Bam has no offensive skillet and is a rich man's Gobert. You literally said he makes Giannis' bag look Louis Vuitton.

You seem to be walking that back now because you're clearly seeing that was a phenomenally dickheaded observation. He's a legitimate offensive threat. I don't feel like deep diving the numbers to show you how false your assumptions on assisted baskets and putbacks are.

As far as obsession with players. Really bro? Like LeBron's manhood hasn't fully engulfed your esophagus on a nightly basis? I barely post at all, you're just wrong. Lol, look how many posts you have. You live online to talk to random men on a message board. GTFOH. Do not come for meever again, clown.

Okay first of all? You WILL NOT bring my feelings for Lebron into this conversation if you know whats good for you. Yours is a shallow, superficial worship. MY relationship with Lebron is something different. Something beautiful. It’s not this “omg mr sports guy you play the game so good I want your autograph” shit youre stuck on. My love for Lebron is something you could never understand. So DROP IT.

Second of all, I didnt walk anything back. I said exactly what I said in the original post, and Ill say it again in plain english: As a scorer, Bam is awkward and limited. He’s a good passer and a good free throw shooter. The rest of his bag is hideous. And I think he’s a great player overall. I’m just asking if him leading Miami in field goal attempts is by design or incidental, because it’s not what I would have expected.

Okay dummy??

[Street Hunger]

How much of Bam's success is skill and how much is effort