Cade Cunningham is a bust

[iamgine]

Is it safe to say this now? He's one of the worst player in the league. Do you still think he's got what it takes to fulfill his draft expectation?

[Xiao Yao You]

22 years old 3rd year 22 pts and 7 assists after missing most of last year. A bit early to call him a bust but this is ISH so not surprising at all :lol

[3ba11]

called it

yet i remember people saying that draftxpress was the expert and they were saying Cade was the best prospect ever

[iamgine]

called it

yet i remember people saying that draftxpress was the expert and they were saying Cade was the best prospect ever

Where did you call it?

[3ba11]

Where did you call it?


I said Cade was nothing and everyone laughed at me for it just like Ingram (saying he was good) and many more.. I'm the best scout (best insight on individual basketball ability) in the world

[iamgine]

I said Cade was nothing and everyone laughed at me for it just like Ingram (saying he was good) and many more.. I'm the best scout (best insight on individual basketball ability) in the world

Where tho?

[Manny98]

He's averaging 22/7 on a team with zero spacing coming back from a stress fracture

He's doing fine

[3ba11]

Where tho?


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496680-Cade-Cunningham-lacks-the-quickness-and-physical-ability-to-have-an-All-NBA-career&p=14415198&viewfull=1#post14415198


another one for 3ball...

[Full Court]

3ball has some of the best insight on here. He's almost always spot on.

[iamgine]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496680-Cade-Cunningham-lacks-the-quickness-and-physical-ability-to-have-an-All-NBA-career&p=14415198&viewfull=1#post14415198


another one for 3ball...

Good job

[beasted]

Too early. He's playing with total trash.

Aside from that, bust implies that in a re-draft of the same class, that there could be several players chosen ahead of him, and that's just not the case. You can make a fair case for Wagner and Barnes at this point. I'm just not sold on Cam Thomas being a winning player, nor Jalen Green.

But who else is better than Cade? Mobley, Jalen Johnson, etc are still less talented and would be drafted below. So an adjustment from 1st overall to maybe 4th really isn't a bust.

[Kblaze8855]

One of the worst in the league meaning what? One of the bottom 200?

[SATAN]

Is OP Walk on Water?

[Lebron23]

3ball has some of the best insight on here. He's almost always spot on.

Get off his nuts. 3ball is an idiot.

[iamgine]

One of the worst in the league meaning what? One of the bottom 200?

Meaning he reach his arm a bit and Jordan Poole is there

[Jasper]

22 years old 3rd year 22 pts and 7 assists after missing most of last year. A bit early to call him a bust but this is ISH so not surprising at all :lol

real good point about ish.
1) player stats can be inflated because of the franchise they are playing on.
2) there is several teams right now ,not just losing, but look awful.
3) some if not all of these players are really above average .. all-star type players
what are these franchises waiting for ??

[FireDavidKahn]

Not a bust but sure as hell hasn't turned into a franchise piece he was supposed to. Will be a solid player but not a franchise cornerstone

[Full Court]

Get off his nuts. 3ball is an idiot.

https://i.ibb.co/6rfqvBZ/cryinglouie.jpg

3ball was dunking on Zach Randolph while you were still suckling on your mommy's milky teats.

[John8204]

Career PPG average GOAT Jokic 20.4
Career PPG of bust Cunningham 18.6

Piston's are tanking this is a bust
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fultzma01.html

[Street Hunger]

Unsure how to rate him still. He has no teammates around him

[1987_Lakers]

called it

:oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

I said Cade was nothing and everyone laughed at me for it just like Ingram (saying he was good) and many more.. I'm the best scout (best insight on individual basketball ability) in the world

:roll:

Big whiff

[3ba11]

:oldlol:


He's still nothing... He's a stat-padder with limited impact - he isn't performing much better than his peers at the same minute-level (low advanced stats).

You'll see... Maybe he'll be Deron Williams at best and i'll still be right.. The issue is that young fans nowadays make a big deal about tiny things that no one paid attention to in previous eras.. 2nd Round exits meant nothing back in the day.. Terry Porter did that a million times before he finally carried the Blazers to the 90' and 92' Finals...

Let me know when Cade does that and let me know when he actually puts up some viable advanced stats.. Until then, he's just a relatively-impact-less ball-dominator/stat-padder.. Similar to all ball-dominators, he can't win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player - he will need to join another team's 1st option/franchise player just like every other ball-dominator (Magic, Lebron, Luka, etc).. Otherwise he can't win..

[1987_Lakers]

He's still nothing... He's a stat-padder with limited impact - he isn't performing much better than his peers at the same minute-level (low advanced stats).

You'll see... Maybe he'll be Deron Williams at best and i'll still be right.. The issue is that young fans nowadays make a big deal about tiny things that no one paid attention to in previous eras.. 2nd Round exits meant nothing back in the day.. Terry Porter did that a million times before he finally carried the Blazers to the 90' and 92' Finals...

Let me know when Cade does that and let me know when he actually puts up some viable advanced stats.. Until then, he's just a relatively-impact-less ball-dominator/stat-padder.. Similar to all ball-dominators, he can't win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player - he will need to join another team's 1st option/franchise player just like every other ball-dominator (Magic, Lebron, Luka, etc).. Otherwise he can't win..

You called him a bust. Nobody calls Deron Williams a bust.

Big whiff.

Wrong about Wemby and Cade.

Ouch

[3ba11]

You called him a bust. Nobody calls Deron Williams a bust.

Big whiff.

Wrong about Wemby and Cade.

Ouch



Not wrong on either.. Wemby is a massive bust...

[1987_Lakers]

Not wrong on either.. .Wemby is a massive bust

How does it feel to be wrong on all these predictions? Your Buddy Hield thread also went to shit.

[3ba11]

How does it feel to be wrong on all these predictions? Your Buddy Hield thread also went to shit.


I'm right on both, especially Wemby.

Wemby's game isn't a winning one.. It's even more suboptimal than Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance - Wemby's 3-point barrage as an 8-footer is even more suboptimal - TRUST ME on this even if you can't do the simple math yourself.. Wemby is one of the biggest busts ever - he'll never win a lick... playoffs?... PLAYOFFS??? lol

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztYjz2u-MXc

What a bust

[3ba11]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztYjz2u-MXc

What a bust


you made my point with a 1-game sample.

And the game wasn't even all that good - 18 PER and 0.115 WS/48 in that game... 3.9 BPM... whooptiwhoop... 30/10 is pretty standard in today's game... He's nowhere near Terry Porter and you don't think Porter is anything.. Let me know when he carries teams to the Finals.

[1987_Lakers]

you made my point with a 1-game sample.

And the game wasn't even all that good - 18 PER and 0.115 WS/48 in that game... 3.9 BPM... whooptiwhoop... 30/10 is pretty standard in today's game... He's nowhere near Terry Porter and you don't think Porter is anything.. Let me know when he carries teams to the Finals.

I don't recall a "bust" leading his team to the playoffs and making an All-star team the very same year, and he's only 23 yrs old to boot.

[3ba11]

I don't recall a "bust" leading his team to the playoffs and making an All-star team the very same year, and he's only 23 yrs old to boot.


"bust" is a relative term..

he's a "bust" compared to his famous projection:

https://theboxand1.weebly.com/draft-profiles1/cade-cunningham-the-most-complete-prospect-in-a-decade#:~:text=Cade%20Cunningham%20stands%20out%20 to,ve%20seen%20since%20Dwyane%20Wade.

[1987_Lakers]

So just because one article said he was the most complete prospect in a decade means everyone was calling him that?

Off the top of my head guys like Wemby, Zion, Oden, & AD got way more hype entering the draft than Cade. A quick Google search and found this.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-the-20-best-nba-draft-prospects-since-lebron-victor-wembanyama-ad-zion-at-top-with-scoot-sliding-in/

[ShawkFactory]

Probably going to be both Most Improved and 2nd team all-nba in his age 23 season.

Pretty good stuff and he appears to only be getting better. This could be the lowest he’s at in a while, particularly with the Pistons aging faster than expected and them still getting Ivey back.

The natural progression I think will be the win 50+ next year and aren’t quite yet a contender, but a legitimate thorn in the side of the top teams.

Cade also seems to display fairly advanced leadership qualities, which is nice. Doesn’t seem rattled by big moments.

[SouBeachTalents]

How does it feel to be wrong on all these predictions? Your Buddy Hield thread also went to shit.
Embarrassing. Let's not forget Curry's the most overrated player of all time, Giannis=Pippen, Oubre > Klay, the Suns would win the championship last year.

[Meticode]

"bust" is a relative term..

he's a "bust" compared to his famous projection:

https://theboxand1.weebly.com/draft-profiles1/cade-cunningham-the-most-complete-prospect-in-a-decade#:~:text=Cade%20Cunningham%20stands%20out%20 to,ve%20seen%20since%20Dwyane%20Wade.

Interesting you still won't admit you're wrong. He just led the Pistons to the first playoff win in 17 years. The last time that happened Cade was 6 years old and Kevin Durant was a rookie in the league.

Was Jayson Tatum a bust then too by your standards in his 4th season? I ask this because by Tatum's 4th season (which is Cade's 4th season currently) their stats from year 4 are pretty damn similar:

Tatum: 26.4p / 8.0r / 4.4a / 1.2s / 0.5b @ 45.9 / 38.6 / 86.8
Cade: 26.1p / 6.1r / 9.1a / 1.0s / 0.8b @ 46.9 / 35.6 / 84.6

...not to mention Tatum came into a way better situation with having a good team around him. The Pistons on the other hand? Worst team in the league last year and Cade toughed it out.

[Meticode]

Probably going to be both Most Improved and 2nd team all-nba in his age 23 season.

Pretty good stuff and he appears to only be getting better. This could be the lowest he’s at in a while, particularly with the Pistons aging faster than expected and them still getting Ivey back.

The natural progression I think will be the win 50+ next year and aren’t quite yet a contender, but a legitimate thorn in the side of the top teams.

Cade also seems to display fairly advanced leadership qualities, which is nice. Doesn’t seem rattled by big moments.

Rightnow the race for MIP is between Zubac and Daniels according to current votes that have been summitted. Cade is a distant 4th place behind them and Braun. I felt Dyson Daniels deserved it more than anyone.

Info here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/edit?usp=sharing

[Meticode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztYjz2u-MXc

What a bust
Yes what a failure. NBADraft.net projected Cade as a Jayson Tatum, then look at my posts previous to this.

[RRR3]

Embarrassing. Let's not forget Curry's the most overrated player of all time, Giannis=Pippen, Oubre > Klay, the Suns would win the championship last year.
Don't forget that he dunked on Zach Randolph four times in a row and "destroyed" Raja Bell one on one.

Not predictions of course, but I can't get over the fact that anyone listens to him after he said that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's more of a natural point guard than Tatum but the comparison isn't an insult for either player. I'm tempted to compare him to Harden except that he's not a flopping disgrace and seems to take defense seriously. Cunningham is the real deal.

[RRR3]

He's more of a natural point guard than Tatum but the comparison isn't an insult for either player. I'm tempted to compare him to Harden except that he's not a flopping disgrace and seems to take defense seriously. Cunningham is the real deal.
But 3ball said he was a bust :(