Nba really needs its salary cap.

[Kblaze8855]

We would have like 9 of these deals right now without it


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2312100145080296.jpeg

[eliteballer]

How does a boring ass sport like baseball still generate this much revenue.

[ShawkFactory]

How does a boring ass sport like baseball still generate this much revenue.

Because a lot of people like it, even if you don't. Individual franchises also have deeply entrenched TV deals on sometimes multiple networks. Even without the national spotlight, most fanbases tend to be very loyal and attendance numbers have been increasing significantly the last couple years.

And Shohei is a player unlike anyone we've seen.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Someone somewhere, I forgot who, criticized Ohtani for making his free agency process too secretive, figuring that this is a missed opportunity for baseball. Maybe they wanted a "Decision" level circus. I would say that 700 mil proves they handled this the right way.

[Kblaze8855]

How does a boring ass sport like baseball still generate this much revenue.


12 Billion dollars in rights fees from networks that just have to have live sports to be credible. That plus ridiculous Local network deals that in some cases cover all salary. The Dodgers in particular makes several hundred million dollars a year just off rights fees to their network.

Nobody needs to actually watch the games. They get paid either way. Fans have a tough time getting their heads around that part.

The money doesn’t directly correlate with National interest level and ratings. The money comes from networks having to offer live sports to get monthly subscription dollars from as many people as possible. They don’t need you to watch everything they offer. They just need you to pay for the full package. And nobody pays for a package without sports.

Baseball less popular than it’s ever been but generates more revenue At a rate far exceeding inflation. The people who run these things smartened up about what matters a long time ago.

[Kblaze8855]

Someone somewhere, I forgot who, criticized Ohtani for making his free agency process too secretive, figuring that this is a missed opportunity for baseball. Maybe they wanted a "Decision" level circus. I would say that 700 mil proves they handled this the right way.

JJ Watt was talking about that. The media criticizes athletes who go on an open free agency tour being courted in public and creating a circus. Then they criticize someone who tells you he won’t sign if you even leak that you talked. Theyre gonna complain no matter what.

[warriorfan]

he would have gotten over a billion if he didn’t blow out his arm for the second time a few months ago

[bullettooth]

How does a boring ass sport like baseball still generate this much revenue.

LMAO! Right?!

[highwhey]

How does a boring ass sport like baseball still generate this much revenue.

its a sport entrenched into american culture. and like blaze already mentioned, they have network money. you can catch the same game on multiple channels sometimes.

season tickets are also fairly priced. 1st row seats (not courtside) to a suns game cost 45k for the season, similar seats to the dbacks are like 4k lol. or you can get shitty season tickets for a couple hundred bucks.

[Overdrive]

How does a boring ass sport like baseball still generate this much revenue.

You can see people wearing Yankee hats here everyday. Most have never seen a minute of baseball.

[SATAN]

You can see people wearing Yankee hats here everyday. Most have never seen a minute of baseball.

Should be wearing these:

https://rlv.zcache.com/wolfgang_amadeus_mozart_hat-r4a913cc3fe4d4f79a05fb958c455422a_eahvn_8byvr_630. jpg?view_padding=[285%2C0%2C285%2C0]

[SouBeachTalents]

Too lazy to look it up, but can't he not even pitch anymore? Is he really worth all that money if he's just a "regular" player now.

[Smook A.]

Too lazy to look it up, but can't he not even pitch anymore? Is he really worth all that money if he's just a "regular" player now.

Just until 2025. Only for next season he will strictly be a designated hitter.

[FKAri]

Just until 2025. Only for next season he will strictly be a designated hitter.

But there are concerns to what level he will return since this is a repeat injury.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Too lazy to look it up, but can't he not even pitch anymore? Is he really worth all that money if he's just a "regular" player now.

I thought about that. As just a player effecting wins and losses maybe not, especially when he gets old. But he is international box office. How much money is he going to make them in Japan? He is currently the most popular player in two rich countries. Hard to put a limit on what his true value is.

[post]

a baseball player making 70 million a year to hit a ball over a fence is crazy

a basketball player making 60 million a year to shoot a ball in a basket is sane

:lol

[Kblaze8855]

I’m ok with the number. The only thing that can determine what a job is worth, is an employer willingness to pay it. And without a max salary, quite a few of these billionaires would be willing to pay and give unbelievable contract link to lock up young players, and destroy themselves when it doesn’t work out and the money is guaranteed. The number itself just is what it is.

60 million a year in the NBA is just the result of owners who hated seeing late 90s players starting to make more than the entire salary cap because the GM’s and other owners would abuse bird rights(go over the cap to sign your own guys back). It got to the point people like Jordan made more than the whole cap for a couple years. Patrick Ewing made the current cap equivalent of $102 million in 1996.

When they locked out the players one of the sticking points was max contracts. Maxing out of guy would pay him a percentage of the cap instead of letting you do whatever you want to retain him. So the max instantly dropped to a little over 10 million a season for somebody not grandfathered in. Kevin Garnett had just signed a deal paying him more than twice that. Shaq was also grandfathered in. And a few other guys. but it reversed the trend where you just paid whatever you had to in order to keep someone.

In a world where the Cavs in 2010 had no restrictions on what they could pay LeBron or how long who knows what he could have demanded to stay.

problem is those giant deals wouldn’t keep people like James Harden from demanding multiple trades. I’m sure he would be harder to move so he might only have gotten the trade from the Rockets to the nets and then been stuck there forever, but it would create animosity. As it is now, imagine a young player signs for 12 years 850 million and you make long-term plans to build around him and he asks out after a year.


The max contract created a much bigger middle class because it made so many guys max level by artificially holding down the pay of the true stars. On one hand, you have a borderline All-Star you have to pay the max which you know it’s you. But on the other, you’re only paying LeBron James borderline All-Star money instead of 70% of your cap which he could probably demand in a free market. Everybody won. A lot more meddling players got paid, and the owners weren’t able to destroy themselves.

Really the only losers were the top end guys who like Ewing or making 70 to 75% of the cap and had now illegal provisions that would bump his contract up if more than two people made as much as he did.

Those old contract rules with modern revenue would get us a dozen 500-800 million dollars guys. Luka would probably have a billion dollar deal in Dallas spread over like 15 years and actually feel underpaid by the middle of it.

[warriorfan]

I’m ok with the number. The only thing that can determine what a job is worth, is an employer willingness to pay it. And without a max salary, quite a few of these billionaires would be willing to pay and give unbelievable contract link to lock up young players, and destroy themselves when it doesn’t work out and the money is guaranteed. The number itself just is what it is.

60 million a year in the NBA is just the result of owners who hated seeing late 90s players starting to make more than the entire salary cap because the GM’s and other owners would abuse bird rights(go over the cap to sign your own guys back). It got to the point people like Jordan made more than the whole cap for a couple years. Patrick Ewing made the current cap equivalent of $102 million in 1996.

When they locked out the players one of the sticking points was max contracts. Maxing out of guy would pay him a percentage of the cap instead of letting you do whatever you want to retain him. So the max instantly dropped to a little over 10 million a season for somebody not grandfathered in. Kevin Garnett had just signed a deal paying him more than twice that. Shaq was also grandfathered in. And a few other guys. but it reversed the trend where you just paid whatever you had to in order to keep someone.

In a world where the Cavs in 2010 had no restrictions on what they could pay LeBron or how long who knows what he could have demanded to stay.

problem is those giant deals wouldn’t keep people like James Harden from demanding multiple trades. I’m sure he would be harder to move so he might only have gotten the trade from the Rockets to the nets and then been stuck there forever, but it would create animosity. As it is now, imagine a young player signs for 12 years 850 million and you make long-term plans to build around him and he asks out after a year.


The max contract created a much bigger middle class because it made so many guys max level by artificially holding down the pay of the true stars. On one hand, you have a borderline All-Star you have to pay the max which you know it’s you. But on the other, you’re only paying LeBron James borderline All-Star money instead of 70% of your cap which he could probably demand in a free market. Everybody won. A lot more meddling players got paid, and the owners weren’t able to destroy themselves.

Really the only losers were the top end guys who like Ewing or making 70 to 75% of the cap and had now illegal provisions that would bump his contract up if more than two people made as much as he did.

Those old contract rules with modern revenue would get us a dozen 500-800 million dollars guys. Luka would probably have a billion dollar deal in Dallas spread over like 15 years and actually feel underpaid by the middle of it.

tbh I don’t think anyone really cares. if they were really getting cucked that hard they would hold out or go play in europe or something

they’re fine

[Kblaze8855]

Of course they’re fine. Off the top of my head, I think we have eight people already scheduled to make more than 60 million in a season. The whole salary cap was less than 60 million in 2013. Several of these guys were already in the league then. I’m not saying the cap does them tangible real world harm. I’m saying those are the only guys who didn’t have their positions improved by adding Max salary.

The biggest winners are all star reserve type of guys who get legend pay for just being pretty good. The next biggest winners are the average players. It also saved the owners and teams from themselves. Everybody won. The legit Max contract guys just get held in check for the greater good.

Let Jokic hit the market with no max salary and the old school “Anything goes” rules. With the new owner of the mavs being a hands off casino tycoon widower with like 30 something billion dollars? They would probably give seven years 700 million and a cut of the Local TV deal or something. Not being given that option saves them from their own idiocy.

[post]

another boring lecture by capitalist shill op

:lol

[Wardell Curry]

another boring lecture by capitalist shill op

:lol

I mean he's literally calling for wealth redistribution in the title of the OP. But I digress.

Year by year MLB champions:

2023: Texas Rangers
2022: Houston Astros
2021: Atlanta Braves
2020: Los Angeles Dodgers
2019: Washington Nationals
2018: Boston Red Sox
2017: Houston Astros
2016: Chicago Cubs
2015: Kansas City Royals
2014: San Francisco Giants
2013: Boston Red Sox
2012: San Francisco Giants
2011: St. Louis Cardinals
2010: San Francisco Giants
2009: New York Yankees
2008: Philadelphia Phillies
2007: Boston Red Sox
2006: St. Louis Cardinals
2005: Chicago White Sox
2004: Boston Red Sox
2003: Florida Marlins
2002: Anaheim Angels
2001: Arizona Diamondbacks
2000: New York Yankees


I think they're doing just fine with parity in outcome. In fact, that's substantially better than the NBA is doing.

The salary cap does the following: Helps super small market teams stay barely relevant, helps the lowest earners pockets and hurts the biggest stars pockets. It also might be helping the biggest stars win more. I'm also pretty sure that it helps the owners.

Imagine this: Heading into 2011, The Knicks sign LeBron to a $400 million a year or whatever number the market would dictate he was actually worth type deal. Who are they filling the rest of the roster out with? He's probably never winning a ring.

Another fun thought is that LeBron James, Stephen Curry & to a lesser extent Kevin Durant have literally subsidized the rest of the players paychecks for 1.5-2 decades.

[ILLsmak]

Someone somewhere, I forgot who, criticized Ohtani for making his free agency process too secretive, figuring that this is a missed opportunity for baseball. Maybe they wanted a "Decision" level circus. I would say that 700 mil proves they handled this the right way.

At what point does it matter, tho? Maybe I am thinking too 'normally,' but if you can take 500 mil and get anything you want or end up with 700, does it automatically become the best destination/job? At some point it's kinda like that seems like your agent trying to get paid.

NBA guys make 50s, 70 is a lot more but I dunno. What ya gonna do with that that you can't do w/ 50?

And 10 years is a lot of security but it's also a lot of work.

-Smak

[Kblaze8855]

another boring lecture by capitalist shill op

:lol


So the league generates about $10 billion. It can go to the labor or it can go to the owners. Is there a third option I’m not seeing? Maybe capping all pay to owners and players below that of the teachers and firefighters and donating any excess to Red Cross? What are we talking about here? What is your solution to Distributing a massive pile of money without the people who run the business, or perform the labor getting rich?

bump up their taxes even higher for our beloved Congress to distribute so very well as they do?

Where do you want the money to go? Some likely corrupt charity that would just allow them all to have no tax burden? The government to waste on outlandish programs with unbelievable waste and little oversight?

where are you sending the 10 billion?

[ShawkFactory]

I thought about that. As just a player effecting wins and losses maybe not, especially when he gets old. But he is international box office. How much money is he going to make them in Japan? He is currently the most popular player in two rich countries. Hard to put a limit on what his true value is.

I don't know the details but I imagine the Dodgers will sign a TV deal in Japan worth an incredible amount.

[Charlie Sheen]

Of course they’re fine. Off the top of my head, I think we have eight people already scheduled to make more than 60 million in a season. The whole salary cap was less than 60 million in 2013. Several of these guys were already in the league then. I’m not saying the cap does them tangible real world harm. I’m saying those are the only guys who didn’t have their positions improved by adding Max salary.

The biggest winners are all star reserve type of guys who get legend pay for just being pretty good. The next biggest winners are the average players. It also saved the owners and teams from themselves. Everybody won. The legit Max contract guys just get held in check for the greater good.

Let Jokic hit the market with no max salary and the old school “Anything goes” rules. With the new owner of the mavs being a hands off casino tycoon widower with like 30 something billion dollars? They would probably give seven years 700 million and a cut of the Local TV deal or something. Not being given that option saves them from their own idiocy.

Respectfully... you could not be more wrong. 700 is an enormous number. Jokic is not Ohtani equivalent. Local TV deals are not the gold mine you think they are in baseball. It works out that way for the Yankees and Dodgers of course but the less profitable teams are facing missed payments and terminated contracts.

[Kblaze8855]

Of course I’m talking about teams like the Dodgers. Who else would I have been talking about paying 700 million? The Marlins?

[Charlie Sheen]

Of course I’m talking about teams like the Dodgers. Who else would I have been talking about paying 700 million? The Marlins?

Your whatif NBA example was Dallas. That isn't like the Dodgers. Nobody in the MLB rivals the Dodgers in the money they are able to spend. Not even the Yankees come close. It has been this way for 10 years.

[post]

I mean he's literally calling for wealth redistribution in the title of the OP.

such a saint

:lol

[Wardell Curry]

such a saint

:lol

My point wasn't that he's good. My point was that you're yelling at clouds.

[Kblaze8855]

Your whatif NBA example was Dallas. That isn't like the Dodgers. Nobody in the MLB rivals the Dodgers in the money they are able to spend. Not even the Yankees come close. It has been this way for 10 years.


we are already looking at the final year of Supermax contracts signed soon being in the 85 million dollar range. The first 80 million dollar season is gonna be about 2029. If you think a no cap format wouldn’t have a guy with 30 billion pay 100 for Jokic I don’t know what to tell you.

Ballmer would probably do it in a second.

[post]

So the league generates about $10 billion. It can go to the labor or it can go to the owners. Is there a third option I’m not seeing? Maybe capping all pay to owners and players below that of the teachers and firefighters and donating any excess to Red Cross? What are we talking about here? What is your solution to Distributing a massive pile of money without the people who run the business, or perform the labor getting rich?

bump up their taxes even higher for our beloved Congress to distribute so very well as they do?

Where do you want the money to go? Some likely corrupt charity that would just allow them all to have no tax burden? The government to waste on outlandish programs with unbelievable waste and little oversight?

where are you sending the 10 billion?

https://i.ibb.co/Np7mf00/joker-money-2.gif

[post]

My point wasn't that he's good. My point was that you're yelling at clouds.

i'm not yelling and i don't believe in good or god

clouds appear to exist

:lol

[warriorfan]

bradly beal makes 50 mil a year

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

bradly beal makes 50 mil a year

:roll:

Warriors have the highest payroll and still have a losing record

[warriorfan]

Warriors have the highest payroll and still have a losing record

That’s completely irrelevant but….

Okay?

:roll:

get a life short stack

[1987_Lakers]

That’s completely irrelevant but….

Okay?

:roll:

get a life short stack

Seems like I struck a nerve.

[warriorfan]

Seems like I struck a nerve.

No. You’re just short and retarded. :lol

[highwhey]

Warriors have the highest payroll and still have a losing record

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Curry - 52 mil
Klay - 43 mil
CP3 - 30 mil
Wiggins - 24 mil
Green - 22 mil

10-12 record

:roll:

[highwhey]

Curry - 52 mil
Klay - 43 mil
CP3 - 30 mil
Wiggins - 24 mil
Green - 22 mil

10-12 record

:roll:

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mjlol.png

[warriorfan]

Curry - 52 mil
Klay - 43 mil
CP3 - 30 mil
Wiggins - 24 mil
Green - 22 mil

10-12 record

:roll:

None of those contracts are worse than Beal’s lol

Don’t know what you are trying to prove here but you are always pretty incoherent :lol

[1987_Lakers]

None of those contracts are worse than Beal’s lol

Don’t know what you are trying to prove here but you are always pretty incoherent :lol

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zyXifQW4im0

:roll:

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zyXifQW4im0

:roll:

All good things come to an end eventually. It was a good run. 4 championships in less than 10 years. It’s been one hell of a ride for warrior fans. Especially after so many losing seasons.

Warriors fans have already won. It’s futile.

[1987_Lakers]

All good things come to an end eventually. It was a good run. 4 championships in less than 10 years. It’s been one hell of a ride for warrior fans. Especially after so many losing seasons.

Warriors fans have already won. It’s futile.

Curry needed KD in order for them to be considered a dynasty.

[Kblaze8855]

bradly beal makes 50 mil a year

:roll:

He makes 46 and change. One of 28 people currently at or due to enter the 40s or 50s. You’re still lagging behind on how little these numbers mean. With the built in smoothing raising it yearly….relative to the cap he’s gonna make less than he makes now when he actually hits 50.

[warriorfan]

Curry needed KD in order for them to be considered a dynasty.

I could honestly care less. 4 in 10 years. We made it. We won.

[warriorfan]

He makes 46 and change. One of 28 people currently at or due to enter the 40s or 50s. You’re still lagging behind on how little these numbers mean. With the built in smoothing raising it yearly….relative to the cap he’s gonna make less than he makes now when he actually hits 50.

it’s just funny because he sucks and is old and can’t stay healthy

[1987_Lakers]

We made it. We won.

73-9, blew a 3-1 lead.

[warriorfan]

73-9, blew a 3-1 lead.

4 in 10 years. Warriors won.

You’re wasting your time

[1987_Lakers]

4 in 10 years. Warriors won.

You’re wasting your time

Nobody takes '17 & '18 serious. Hell, even 2015 is suspect cause of all the injuries. You're wasting your time.

[Xiao Yao You]

Nobody takes '17 & '18 serious. Hell, even 2015 is suspect cause of all the injuries. You're wasting your time.

certainly no bubble win!

[warriorfan]

Nobody takes '17 & '18 serious. Hell, even 2015 is suspect cause of all the injuries. You're wasting your time.

:sleeping

[eliteballer]

These guys make so much because suckers pay $200-300 a month for cable.

[Axe]

Curry - 52 mil
Klay - 43 mil
CP3 - 30 mil
Wiggins - 24 mil
Green - 22 mil

10-12 record

:roll:
Hahaha

[eliteballer]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39165813/japanese-star-yoshinobu-yamamoto-agrees-join-dodgers-sources-say

[Kblaze8855]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2412090931040395.jpeg

[Kblaze8855]

Just keeps going up.

Less per year though.

If Wemby doesn’t get hurt he’s gonna hit a billion in earnings by the time he retires.