AD hangs 40/20 on 16/24 shooting...

[tpols]

And doesn't win the MVP?

:oldlol:

This is a fraud lol. The league literally manufactures Lebrons legacy.

[1987_Lakers]

Another dummy who doesn't realize the MVP was given to the best player throughout the tournament.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA9pCkrWMAAJCPZ.jpg:large

[ShawkFactory]

Another dummy who doesn't realize the MVP was given to the best player throughout the tournament.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA9pCkrWMAAJCPZ.jpg:large

Yes I’m not sure he understands that.

AD was magnificent in the finals though, no doubt.

[tpols]

Ah... so now all of sudden it's the tournament FMVP but in the playoffs when AD dominated 4 rounds they only counted the last round vs their weakest opponent for the award.

:lol

Its just funny to me how hard the media is trying to manufacture Le GOATs resume like beating a 1st round exit pacer team (at best) is worth something to stack up to MJ.

[Phoenix]

The amount of bad faith, trolling, or plain idiotic takes I've seen in the last 12 hours has been a sight to behold.

[tpols]

And also how absolutely nobody is talking about ADs performance. You guys are quick to shit on him if he puts up only 20/10 but when he drops a prime Shaq line there's not a PEEP from you or the media.

[ShawkFactory]

Ah... so now all of sudden it's the tournament FMVP but in the playoffs when AD dominated 4 rounds they only counted the last round vs their weakest opponent for the award.

:lol

Its just funny to me how hard the media is trying to manufacture Le GOATs resume like beating a 1st round exit pacer team (at best) is worth something to stack up to MJ.

Yes. Literally, yes.

The other award for the last round is finals MVP. Which is the MVP of the last round…the finals.

I know how badly you want this but it’s fairly simple.

[ShawkFactory]

And also how absolutely nobody is talking about ADs performance. You guys are quick to shit on him if he puts up only 20/10 but when he drops a prime Shaq line there's not a PEEP from you or the media.

Every single person that spoke was absolutely all over AD. Both the announcers and in the game thread on ISH.

Maybe that’ll ease the pain.

[Kblaze8855]

Did you watch the Game? Doc Rivers was one of the voters and he came right out and asked how he was supposed to vote. He said if it’s final game MVP it’s Davis but if it’s tournament MVP it’s LeBron and Breen told him it’s MVP of the tournament and that decided it.

[tpols]

I'm looking @ the front page of ISH right now and do not see a single thread started about ADs game. Not one. :lol

So if anything I'm bringing a fresh topic up here.

[ShawkFactory]

You're also not listening.

And said the Heat were the Lakers weakest opponent in 2020. You'll truly say anything based on the argument you're trying to have. I appreciate being argumentative but you flip flop and talk out of your ass so so much.

[NBAGOAT]

It’s not really worth talking about since everyone knows Ad can put up these type of numbers, question with him is consistency. I’m looking for like his stretch last year when he put up close to 30/game

[tpols]

The Heat with an injured bam missing games were easily LAs weakest opponent. They had 0 chance. The Nuggets could've made it interesting if AD didn't hit that walk off game winner.

But the main point you're ignoring is AD gets no respect when he dominates but you guys will shit on him at the drop of a hat if he has an off game.

And again... theres not a single thread on the 1st page here across dozens and dozens of threads dedicated to what he did last night.

The board is as quiet as a church mouse about it, so I figured I could bring a new fresh topic up or whatever.

[tpols]

It’s not really worth talking about since everyone knows Ad can put up these type of numbers, question with him is consistency. I’m looking for like his stretch last year when he put up close to 30/game

A peak Shaq level game isnt worth talking about?

:biggums:

This is EXACTLY what I mean.

[ShawkFactory]

The Heat with an injured bam missing games were easily LAs weakest opponent. They had 0 chance. The Nuggets could've made it interesting if AD didn't hit that walk off game winner.

But the main point you're ignoring is AD gets no respect when he dominates but you guys will shit on him at the drop of a hat if he has an off game.

And again... theres not a single thread on the 1st page here across dozens and dozens of threads dedicated to what he did last night.

The board is as quiet as a church mouse about it, so I figured I could bring a new fresh topic up or whatever.

No.

But anyway, you're still not listening. You've admitted you didn't watch the game. People both in the booth and on ISH were talking about how great he was. It's ISH. As you know it's about Lebron. The only reason you even made this thread is due to Lebron. If people didn't love him on here you wouldn't be making a thread about AD. Is what it is.

For a Lebron-centric trolling board, there were plenty who gave him his flowers. Media too.

Don't take it so seriously.

[Kblaze8855]

A peak Shaq level game isnt worth talking about?

:biggums:

This is EXACTLY what I mean.


have you watched the NBA the last few years? I don’t even necessarily check for highlights of a 60 point game anymore. I used to drop what I was doing and get to a tv. I saw Embiid had 50 something this week and didn’t even look into it.

[Phoenix]

You're also not listening.

And said the Heat were the Lakers weakest opponent in 2020. You'll truly say anything based on the argument you're trying to have. I appreciate being argumentative but you flip flop and talk out of your ass so so much.

The AD we saw last night should, at this point, comfortably be the Lakers best player and top 5 in the league but as NBAGoat said above, consistency and desire limits him. There's no reason he shouldn't be dropping 30/12 nightly. As is, from a mindset perspective he's a perfect number 2 if healthy( and motivated).

[ShawkFactory]

The AD we saw last night should, at this point, comfortably be the Lakers best player and top 5 in the league but as NBAGoat said above, consistency and desire limits him. There's no reason he shouldn't be dropping 30/12 nightly.

No doubt.

[ShawkFactory]

have you watched the NBA the last few years? I don’t even necessarily check for highlights of a 60 point game anymore. I used to drop what I was doing and get to a tv. I saw Embiid had 50 something this week and didn’t even look into it.

I don't think he did either. Seems to be some inconsistencies there with him.

[Phoenix]

A peak Shaq level game isnt worth talking about?

:biggums:

This is EXACTLY what I mean.

That weren't a peak Shaq game unless you're solely focusing on the numbers and really, there's at least 4-5 players in the league right now who could drop 40/20 a few times a month and nobody really cares.

[tpols]

have you watched the NBA the last few years? I don’t even necessarily check for highlights of a 60 point game anymore. I used to drop what I was doing and get to a tv. I saw Embiid had 50 something this week and didn’t even look into it.

I get people put up points but 40/20 games?

https://i.postimg.cc/Pfc0KvQX/Screenshot-20231210-104924-Chrome.jpg

They're exceedingly rare. It's not something that deserves 0 threads about.

[Airupthere]

I get people put up points but 40/20 games?

https://i.postimg.cc/Pfc0KvQX/Screenshot-20231210-104924-Chrome.jpg

They're exceedingly rare. It's not something that deserves 0 threads about.

Gets 100% blame and 0% credit

[tpols]

That weren't a peak Shaq game unless you're solely focusing on the numbers and really, there's at least 4-5 players in the league right now who could drop 40/20 a few times a month and nobody really cares.

That's... totally untrue. 40/20 games rarely happen. There's maybe 5-10 of them in the last decade. That's a bullshit figure you just threw out.

40 points today is easier but 20 rebounds and 4 blocks alongside it is extremely rare.

Keep pretending it happens all the time.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This is a Pro LeBron website...littered with incels and trolls.

But you're surprised AD isnt getting credit :lol

[Jasper]

screwed out of the MVP ... his HOF resume will be 1 ring 1 in season T.

:facepalm

[Axe]

I get people put up points but 40/20 games?

https://i.postimg.cc/Pfc0KvQX/Screenshot-20231210-104924-Chrome.jpg

They're exceedingly rare. It's not something that deserves 0 threads about.
You might call him 'anthony abdul jabbar' just because of one game all of a sudden, which you also did during the disney bubble three years ago. :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

I get people put up points but 40/20 games?

https://i.postimg.cc/Pfc0KvQX/Screenshot-20231210-104924-Chrome.jpg

They're exceedingly rare. It's not something that deserves 0 threads about.


There was a 50/13 on 77 percent shooting game in only 30 minutes played like a week ago. I’m not saying big games aren’t impressive. I’m saying too many happen to keep making all of them a topic. You’ve been around long enough to know I’ll make a topic about anything. But it takes an awful lot for me to make one about a single game stat line at this point. I’m not sure what it would take right now. Unless it’s a player I’m already a big-time fan so I just want to see what they did? I might need 65. 65 points would do it.

[Phoenix]

That's... totally untrue. 40/20 games rarely happen. There's maybe 5-10 of them in the last decade. That's a bullshit figure you just threw out.

40 points today is easier but 20 rebounds and 4 blocks alongside it is extremely rare.

Keep pretending it happens all the time.

There's enough 35/15 type games going around now that 40/20 isn't that much of a leap. When Shaq was doing it 20 years ago in the finals he was more or less the only one doing so. Even the manner in which AD was scoring wasn't as overpowering as what Shaq was doing. Luka dropped 60/20/10 last year. The frequency I mentioned is admittedly hyperbolic but 40/20 today doesn't land like it did in 2000. It just doesn't, and that's if you solely look at the numbers in a vacuum. Shaq dropping 40/20 on Indiana's head in 2000 felt inevitable, like Thanos at the end of Infinity Wars mowing down the Avengers before the snap. Didn't matter what you did...

[Kblaze8855]

That's... totally untrue. 40/20 games rarely happen. There's maybe 5-10 of them in the last decade. That's a bullshit figure you just threw out.

40 points today is easier but 20 rebounds and 4 blocks alongside it is extremely rare.

Keep pretending it happens all the time.

you’re really really making a lot out of the specific rebound total. You start listing performances from everyone I don’t imagine a 4020 is going to be very close to the top of the list in recent years. Dudes out here getting 60 point triple doubles and 60 20 games(was that Luka?). it’s a really good game. The specific stat minimum being a rare combination doesn’t make it a giant deal. Go type in the minimums from a lot of big games and you’ll see there have only been three or four in history. You just make the list smaller by choosing this specific number you want as a cut off.

[Kblaze8855]

Oh excuse me for the undersell…it was 60/20/10


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2312102139370397.jpeg

[ShawkFactory]

Harden had a 53/17/16 a couple years ago. Pretty sure most were just blaming the inflated numbers of today when it was him.

[Kblaze8855]

Harden had a 53/17/16 a couple years ago. Pretty sure most were just blaming the inflated numbers of today when it was him.


I wouldn’t say it’s that simple as inflated numbers because this is just what the game is now and probably will be for the foreseeable future. It’s more like live ball era versus dead ball era in baseball. You can’t keep calling the numbers inflated when it continues forever. But it does change the standard a bit on what blows people away. And I think that’s reasonable.

[tpols]

Well yea 20 rebounds and 4 blocks is tough to get especially in today's league of 3pt spamming where there's more long rebounds. This isn't rudy gobert where that's all he focuses on... man put up 40 on a ridiculous 16/24 shooting alongside it.

And there's posters in this thread saying "it's not worth talking about" while we ironically talk about it.

Points today are cheap especially with the FTs but AD did almost all his damage without them and you can't rig rebounds and blocks.

[tpols]

Oh excuse me for the undersell…it was 60/20/10


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2312102139370397.jpeg

Yes... and that deserves attention. That's a ****ing GOAT game. What's your point?

Those rarely happen. You could count 60/20 games on one hand. Maybe on one finger lmao.

[Phoenix]

Jokic has had the following games this year:

33/14/9
35/14/12
36/21/11
32/16/9
30/13/12
38/19/8
39/11/9
32/10/15
36/13/14

Giannis:
36/12
54/12
35/10/7
35/11
40/15/7
40/13/8
33/16/6
33/10/5
32/11/10
35/8/10

Luka:

33/13/10
49/10/7
35/12/12
34/10/8
35/9/9
30/12/12
41/9/9
36/15/18
40/10/11
He had a couple of 23/11/12, 25/10/7 type games I couldn't be bothered to mention above.

AD had a great performance, in a high stakes affair, in a league where we're seeing the above numbers and it's not even Christmas yet. You got guys now putting up numbers like that 1/4 into the season when anyone capable of doing that 20-30 years ago may have spread it out over a decade. 40/20 is like worth an extra 'atta boy' and lapdance.

[ShawkFactory]

I wouldn’t say it’s that simple as inflated numbers because this is just what the game is now and probably will be for the foreseeable future. It’s more like live ball era versus dead ball era in baseball. You can’t keep calling the numbers inflated when it continues forever. But it does change the standard a bit on what blows people away. And I think that’s reasonable.

I don't disagree with you. But people did it anyway.

Still do. Unless it's convenient.

[ELITEpower23]

TOURNAMENT MVP


https://i.postimg.cc/J0NQSmPd/5th-MVP-for-King-James.jpg

Next :lol

[tpols]

^^^ and yet not a single 40/20 game listed. :oldlol:

And you said it could happen multiple times a month by 4-5 different players when its happened precisely ONCE all season by ONE player.

You shot yourself in the foot with that one.

[ELITEpower23]

TOURNAMENT MVP


https://i.postimg.cc/J0NQSmPd/5th-MVP-for-King-James.jpg

Next :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Random aside but I didn't realize Lebron was shooting 41% on almost 6 attempts from 3 so far.

[Kblaze8855]

Yes... and that deserves attention. That's a ****ing GOAT game. What's your point?

Those rarely happen. You could count 60/20 games on one hand. Maybe on one finger lmao.


which is why it got talked about. But when things like that can happen people just aren’t getting excited about 4020. Honestly what would somebody like Jokic or Giannis or Luka have to put up to get you feeling like you need to come talk about it? You making topics for an Embiid 42/22? Whats is there to say about it?

You just nod in agreement it was a good game and keep it moving.

What do you want?

We literally have 50 points nights go unnoticed. You want topics over rebound count? And not 30. Over 20?

It just…isn’t something we generally make a big thing.

Mention? Probably. And you mentioned it. What more would you like to happen now?

[Phoenix]

^^^ and yet not a single 40/20 game listed. :oldlol:

And you said it could happen multiple times a month by 4-5 different players when its happened precisely ONCE all season by ONE player.

You shot yourself in the foot with that one.

Actually I said it was hyperbolic. You're unsurprisingly missing the point and as Blaze said, because you want to craft a specific point you're zeroed in on 40/20.

If I've already seen 60/20/10 the past year, and 35/15 are increasingly common occurrences....why would 40/20 specifically jump out as extraordinary? We've seen enough of these video game numbers now to dilute a 40/20 game. Its like nobody gives fukk about someone dropping 40, and 50 barely registers. There's like 40 20ppg scorers, which has made someone averaging that now less notable when a decade ago around 20 players were doing it. There's 6 players averaging 30ppg. 40/20 in a world of 35/15 weekly....I mean how much more do you need it boiled down? How many triple doubles are we getting nowadays once Russ opened the floodgates 6 years ago, and what volume of each category is worth a topic when I can see two pudgy unathletic Euros give me a 30/10/10 line at least once a week?

[NBAGOAT]

A peak Shaq level game isnt worth talking about?

:biggums:

This is EXACTLY what I mean.

For me yes. However I’m also not the type who cares if AD goes 5/15 and scores like 17 points one game either. I care about big picture. If AD is gonna be a bit inconsistent overall with a broken jump shot and “only” put up like a 23/11 guy, that’s fine he’s still an all nba guy with his defense. Still means lebron will have to be the best player on team for lakers to win a title and lakers might need to make a trade.

If he’s closer to his bubble self or can put up a 28/11 stretch for a sustained period okay that’s actual superstar play and AD is best player on team and lakers as is can win a title

[Kblaze8855]

^^^ and yet not a single 40/20 game listed. :oldlol:

And you said it could happen multiple times a month by 4-5 different players when its happened precisely ONCE all season by ONE player.

You shot yourself in the foot with that one.


Like 8 of those are better than a 40/20. You really putting a lot of importance on our number system resetting after 9. Jokic getting 10 more rebounds probably doesn’t help as much as 15 assists. And you know that. These stat minimum comparisons are the most useless espn segment filler. He was great. I thought he was especially great on defense. I don’t know if I need to talk about the specific combo of numbers to give it due credit.

[Im Still Ballin]

AntHimothy Davis!

[tpols]

which is why it got talked about.

Exactly. And that's why we're talking AD here. Who put up production seen only once the entire year while also playing elite defense.



But when things like that can happen people just aren’t getting excited about 4020. Honestly what would somebody like Jokic or Giannis or Luka have to put up to get you feeling like you need to come talk about it? You making topics for an Embiid 42/22? Whats is there to say about it?


There's a thread on the 1st page right now about Embiids averages and 0 threads about ADs game in "the championship" last night.

If Luka, or Jokic or especially Embiid hung 40/20 with 4 blocks on absurd shooting to win last night's high profile and publicized game there would be at least 10 threads about it.

Jokic is as low key a star as there is and we had dozens of threads about him during playoffs last year after every game.

If Embiid dropped 40/20 on 16/24 shooting to win the first NBA inseason tournament "championship" that poster MasktheEmbiid would literally bust a loads worth of topics about it for a week straight. He probably would've busted a load on his television screen.

AD got 0 threads. :oldlol:

Not one. I'm the only one on 1st page to made the thread about it.

[Phoenix]

I was too lazy before, Embiid this year:

34/9/8
35/15/7
48/11/6
37/13/7
39/12/6
32/12/9
32/13/5
35/11/9
50/13/7

He had a 33/16 game with 2 blocks I glossed over because he only had 3 assists. Slow night....

[Phoenix]

Not one. I'm the only one on 1st page to made the thread about it.

The only reason you posted this is because of Lebron, we've seen enough of your posts to know this really has nothing to do with AD. If he was playing for the Pacers dropping those numbers and they won, you couldn't have cared less. Unless he was playing against Lebron and beat him with those numbers, in which case you would.

[Kblaze8855]

Exactly. And that's why we're talking AD here. Who put up production seen only once the entire year while also playing elite defense.




There's a thread on the 1st page right now about Embiids averages and 0 threads about ADs game in "the championship" last night.

If Luka, or Jokic or especially Embiid hung 40/20 with 4 blocks on absurd shooting to win last night's high profile and publicized game there would be at least 10 threads about it.

Jokic is as low key a star as there is and we had dozens of threads about him during playoffs last year after every game.

If Embiid dropped 40/20 on 16/24 shooting to win the first NBA inseason tournament "championship" that poster MasktheEmbiid would literally bust a loads worth of topics about it for a week straight.

AD got 0 threads. :oldlol:

Not one. I'm the only one on 1st page to made the thread about it.


so your issue is that you had to make the topic which now exists as opposed to if this happened to someone else someone else’s fans would make the topic for them so you wouldn’t have to?

This is what you feel need of addressing?

Exactly who made the topic? It exists. Embiids fan tends to make them when he has a big game. You just made one for Anthony Davis. Let me ask you again. What else would you like?

I don’t make topics when Embiid has a big game. It would have to be pretty epic for me to care. You don’t either. You apparently care about Anthony Davis. So you made this topic about it. Is everyone supposed to be on here making topics all day about players they don’t personally care about when they have numbers that while nice are nothing shocking?

Google stat minimums all you like 40/20 isn’t getting anyone to turn the channel to see what’s going on in 2023. Their supporters might care and post about it.

Here you are doing that. Perhaps you should’ve cared enough what he was doing to watch it and talk about it at the time. You didn’t. You posted some numbers the next day. If you post them in timely fashion like others do when they want otherwise ignored numbers to be seen you wouldn’t have to complain nobody else did.

There’s a reason Embiids biggest fan is on here making topics about big wiggle Rampage alert. That’s because if he didn’t, nobody would know they happened. You wanna post Brow rampage alerts go right ahead. Nobody is gonna stop you.

[tpols]

Well yea... I'm calling out the fraudulent media reporting specifically on ISH. If AD was still on the Pelicans hanging his 40/20 lines in last nights high profile game he would've gotten several threads talking about it because there would've been nothing else to talk about instead of posters like you guys spamming 50 Lebron topics when he was massively outplayed by AD last night.

[sdot_thadon]

Tpols with the vent by proxy thread. You guys really taking this thing this hard? Heaven forbid the Lakers somehow win it all in June....

[ELITEpower23]

Tpols with the vent by proxy thread. You guys really taking this thing this hard? Heaven forbid the Lakers somehow win it all in June....

We all saw what it did to the "Lakers" fan tpols in 2020 :lol

[NBAGOAT]

Tpols with the vent by proxy thread. You guys really taking this thing this hard? Heaven forbid the Lakers somehow win it all in June....

the irony is AD is the key to lakers winning a title not lebron who we know what to expect if he's healthy. Lebron haters dont want AD playing that well.

[Phoenix]

The lack of topics about AD last night is mostly because this board really only cares to talk about like....4 or 5 players in general. MJ, Lebron, Kobe and whatever players are tangentially connected to them as lightning rods by opposing fanbases. You won't see a topic discussing how good John Havlicek was, because 1) most people here never saw him play and more importantly 2) he's not connected to anyone this board cares enough to love or hate.

[ELITEpower23]

the irony is AD is the key to lakers winning a title not lebron who we know what to expect if he's healthy. Lebron haters dont want AD playing that well.

Bron had a higher +/- than AD during the Lakers 7-0 tournament championship win.

Next

[tpols]

And btw I was never a Laker fan. I was a Kobe fan. Basketball players move around too much to really stick with team. It's a players league. And the main team I liked and went to games for moved out of my state and got rebranded by jayz and some Russian gangsters.

Football is a team league and I've rooted for the Eagles for 20+ years even when they choked out the playoffs 95% of the time. Nick Foles is a boss for taking down Brady like he did. Best game I've ever watched across all sports. And ADs game last night is 2nd. *wink*

[Kblaze8855]

Well yea... I'm calling out the fraudulent media reporting specifically on ISH. If AD was still on the Pelicans hanging his 40/20 lines in last nights high profile game he would've gotten several threads talking about it because there would've been nothing else to talk about instead of posters like you guys spamming 50 Lebron topics when he was massively outplayed by AD last night.


fraudulent media reporting of ISH?

You are ISH as much as anyone. You have the exact same power to make topics the people you complain about do. You wanted to talk about Anthony Davis, and here we are. Fans of other players post their stat lines when they want to talk about it. They don’t sit there and not post it And get salty because somebody else didn’t do it already. If you want to see something talked about talk about it. Do what you’re doing right now. Does that system not work for you?

You want me posting a new topic on every big stat line I see? I’m far more likely to make a topic about Cuttino Mobley than I am to post some random stat line that doesn’t jump out at me. And 4020 doesn’t do that anymore. 50 20 probably doesn’t do it. If it does it for you feel free to make a topic every time you see one. You’re not going to have me stop you. I don’t know what more you want done about the situation

[FKAri]

And btw I was never a Laker fan. I was a Kobe fan. Basketball players move around too much to really stick with team. It's a players league.

And there it is. So this thread was never ****ing about AD.

[NBAGOAT]

And btw I was never a Laker fan. I was a Kobe fan. Basketball players move around too much to really stick with team. It's a players league. And the main team I liked and went to games for moved out of my state and got rebranded by jayz and some Russian gangsters.

Football is a team league and I've rooted for the Eagles for 20+ years even when they choked out the playoffs 95% of the time. Nick Foles is a boss for taking down Brady like he did. Best game I've ever watched across all sports. And ADs game last night is 2nd. *wink*

there's no way AD's game is the 2nd best youve ever seen haha you're taking your agenda too far. Kobe has so many games more impressive than AD's this game(ik AD played great defense that wasnt enough)

[SouBeachTalents]

And btw I was never a Laker fan. I was a Kobe fan. Basketball players move around too much to really stick with team. It's a players league. And the main team I liked and went to games for moved out of my state and got rebranded by jayz and some Russian gangsters.

Football is a team league and I've rooted for the Eagles for 20+ years even when they choked out the playoffs 95% of the time. Nick Foles is a boss for taking down Brady like he did. Best game I've ever watched across all sports. And ADs game last night is 2nd. *wink*
Yeah, no shit, which is why you’re in absolute shambles over a regular season tournament, still clinging to an argument that’s been settled since the Obama administration :lol

[tpols]

fraudulent media reporting of ISH?

You are ISH as much as anyone. You have the exact same power to make topics the people you complain about do. You wanted to talk about Anthony Davis, and here we are. Fans of other players post their stat lines when they want to talk about it. They don’t sit there and not post it And get salty because somebody else didn’t do it already. If you want to see something talked about talk about it. Do what you’re doing right now. Does that system not work for you?

You want me posting a new topic on every big stat line I see? I’m far more likely to make a topic about Cuttino Mobley than I am to post some random stat line that doesn’t jump out at me. And 4020 doesn’t do that anymore. 50 20 probably doesn’t do it. If it does it for you feel free to make a topic every time you see one. You’re not going to have me stop you. I don’t know what more you want done about the situation

Yes I agree. And I'm the only one to even attempt to balance the topics.

Right now I'm outnumbered easily 50:1 when based on performances last night it should be the other way around.

[tpols]

there's no way AD's game is the 2nd best youve ever seen haha you're taking your agenda too far. Kobe has so many games more impressive than AD's this game(ik AD played great defense that wasnt enough)

I don't think you caught the wink bro.

[Phoenix]

Just googling AD had his 5th career 40/20 last night. There's a list of posters you would expect to make a topic about it, and why they're making it has nothing to do with either AD himself or the tournament.

[Phoenix]

And there it is. So this thread was never ****ing about AD.

Lol it took you nearly 5 pages to grasp that? AD dropping 40/20 on a team with Lebron James is the sole motivation we're having this discussion. He's done this 4 times before, and nobody gave a fukk.

[NBAGOAT]

I don't think you caught the wink bro.

oops but as others said you basically admitted why you made this thread :lol

[Kblaze8855]

There are at Least eight LeBron hating topics on the front page, considering a couple by a massive Kobe fan who has been here for 15 years and post Pro LeBron content as a joke. There doesn’t need to be more of any of it going either direction. All you get trying to counter stupid bullshit with your own stupid bullshit is an even higher percentage of stupid bullshit.

I don’t even know the contents of most any topic the least bit related to LeBron because I don’t click those at this point. If you’re going to sit there and click them and read it all and get upset about it that’s on you. I might click one or two a week. Eventually he’s going to miss some game winner and get 12 topics or make one and get 12. It’s just the world we have at this point.

And you will happily provide your portion of it, while, claiming to be disgusted by the whole endeavor.

[Xiao Yao You]

Well yea 20 rebounds and 4 blocks is tough to get especially in today's league of 3pt spamming where there's more long rebounds. This isn't rudy gobert where that's all he focuses on... man put up 40 on a ridiculous 16/24 shooting alongside it.

And there's posters in this thread saying "it's not worth talking about" while we ironically talk about it.

Points today are cheap especially with the FTs but AD did almost all his damage without them and you can't rig rebounds and blocks.

Gobert focuses on doing whatever his team needs to win games. He certainly doesn't focus on block shots because often that isn't the right play

[tpols]

Just googling AD had his 5th career 40/20 last night. There's a list of posters you would expect to make a topic about it, and why they're making it has nothing to do with either AD himself or the tournament.

Did he put any of those performances up to win The Championship like last night?

:roll:

[Phoenix]

Jokic had 36/21/11 last month. Not one topic. He would have either needed to play with someone the board hates, or play for a team someone outside Denver cares about. He checks neither box.

[Phoenix]

Did he put any of those performances up to win the Championship like last night?

:roll:

Would you have made this topic if he was playing for the Pacers, they won and Lebron wasn't on the other side ? That's a rhetorical question, we know the answer. Lebron either losing, playing badly, or being outperformed by a teammate gives certain people stiffies.

[NBAGOAT]

Gobert focuses on doing whatever his team needs to win games. He certainly doesn't focus on block shots because often that isn't the right play

you have a point but AD is comparable defensively to gobert right now and better during playoffs. Gobert's never had a playoff run like AD last year on defense

[tpols]

Oh btw fellas... I forgot to post the "stupid bullshit" highlights.


https://youtu.be/ghruNaxo-lg?si=cvNW6Ghc9AVKpGwf


Look at that bullshit.

[Phoenix]

It still is confusing because who knew about all this point differential stuff or what matchups led to the brackets being formed for the elimination games? Almost nobody. You could've been watching a game and not even realize it would lead to whatever the final tournament was gonna be.

And now they say the tournament "championship" is not even going to count for the real playoff standings? That means it's an exhibition game, right?

It's just a jumbled mess. If anything this tournament championship game should count as 3 regular season wins to give the winner a heads up in playoff standings but they're literally not even going to count it?

:roll:

It makes no sense.

This is you 5 days ago underplaying the relevance of the tournament. Now you're bolding the word 'championship' because AD drops 40/20 and it suddenly has relevance. Your interest in this tournament hinged on whether Leron won or lost it and the context around either result.

[Kblaze8855]

Oh btw fellas... I forgot to post the "stupid bullshit" highlights.


https://youtu.be/ghruNaxo-lg?si=cvNW6Ghc9AVKpGwf


Look at that bullshit.

you’re talking to people who largely watched the game. I myself watched the entire game. I can see why you would need the highlights because you didnt actually care about anything that happened enough to watch it. But pretending you do gives you an avenue to continue talking about LeBron James, so here we are.

And highlights themselves aren’t bullshit. The motivation to post about them when you don’t even care about the subject matter is. If you don’t care, then don’t care. That’s certainly your right. But don’t disregard the shit then complain that other people aren’t talking about elements of it enough for your liking.

[Phoenix]

I just find it interesting how this 'jumbled mess' of a tournament now has meaning because AD balled out in the final game.

[tpols]

This is you 5 days ago underplaying the relevance of the tournament. Now you're bolding the word 'championship' because AD drops 40/20 and it suddenly has relevance. Your interest in this tournament hinged on whether Leron won or lost it and the context around either result.

When I call it The Championship... sarcasm goes right over your head. The point is it was a big profile game... even if it shouldn't have been... and AD still got 0 recognition here. So I had to bring it to yall, you know what I mean.

[tpols]

you’re talking to people who largely watched the game. I myself watched the entire game. I can see why you would need the highlights because you didnt actually care about anything that happened enough to watch it. But pretending you do gives you an avenue to continue talking about LeBron James, so here we are.

And highlights themselves aren’t bullshit. The motivation to post about them when you don’t even care about the subject matter is. If you don’t care, then don’t care. That’s certainly your right. But don’t disregard the shit then complain that other people aren’t talking about elements of it enough for your liking.

The only reason I didn't watch it is because the outcome was a foregone conclusion.

It's like a Kansas City Chiefs game vs the current Carolina Panthers. Who cares? I only watch games across all sports where the outcome isnt completely predictable.

I didn't know AD dropped a peak Shaq line until this morning when I woke up. And it was intriguing to me there were 0 threads about it.

So I made one.

[1987_Lakers]

It's like a Kansas City Chiefs game vs the current Carolina Panthers. Who cares?.

Panthers are like 1-11.

Pacers are 12-8 and just beat Giannis-Lillard.

Lakers are 14-9.

You are so damn disingenuous.

[ShawkFactory]

The only reason I didn't watch it is because the outcome was a foregone conclusion.

It's like a Kansas City Chiefs game vs the current Carolina Panthers. Who cares? I only watch games across all sports where the outcome isnt completely predictable.

I didn't know AD dropped a peak Shaq line until this morning when I woke up. And it was intriguing to me there were 0 threads about it.

So I made one.

So did you watch any of those warriors games when KD was there?

Or 96-97 Bulls? I know you weren’t old enough to watch them but you talk about it sometimes like you did.

[Phoenix]

When I call it The Championship... sarcasm goes right over your head. The point is it was a big profile game... even if it shouldn't have been... and AD still got 0 recognition here. So I had to bring it to yall, you know what I mean.

No it didn't, and retroactively reframing that as sarcasm is very on-brand on you. You didn't give a single fukk about the tournament until AD gave you a reason to talk about Lebron. If Lebron was the best player last night you'd have either double-downed on the insignificance of the win or just shut the fukk up until he passed on a game-winning shot next week so you'd have a reason to poke your head out again. 30k posts and 13 years on the board is enough sample size to know your schtick to a tee.

[Hey Yo]

When I call it The Championship... sarcasm goes right over your head. The point is it was a big profile game... even if it shouldn't have been... and AD still got 0 recognition here. So I had to bring it to yall, you know what I mean.
bullshit

[Kblaze8855]

The only reason I didn't watch it is because the outcome was a foregone conclusion.

It's like a Kansas City Chiefs game vs the current Carolina Panthers. Who cares? I only watch games across all sports where the outcome isnt completely predictable.

I didn't know AD dropped a peak Shaq line until this morning when I woke up. And it was intriguing to me there were 0 threads about it.

So I made one.

which is exactly how it’s supposed to go. You don’t see a topic you want to talk about so you create it. But a topic about how there isn’t already a topic? If you want to talk about some guys numbers, go ahead and do that. I encourage it even. We both know this isn’t actually about the numbers because you don’t give a shit about the game or anything that happened during it…but that’s the Internet for you. And I’ve made peace with it. You can make a topic after every game Anthony Davis plays for the rest of his career. Or just after the good ones. Whatever.

But don’t complain somebody else doesn’t feel like it.

[tpols]

So did you watch any of those warriors games when KD was there?

Or 96-97 Bulls? I know you weren’t old enough to watch them but you talk about it sometimes like you did.

Honestly I didn't outside Game 1 vs the Spurs, WCFs against Harden Paul Rockets, and the Finals. All those games were competitive and it could've gone either way. The Pacers are trash by comparison. Haliburton is nice but that's it. He's not taking down AD and Lebron as a newbie, or a veteran.

I wasn't watching KD Curry warriors murder the Jazz. It wasn't worth watching.

[StrongLurk]

Imagine Lebron getting this kind of help in the finals...would be amazing.

[tpols]

Imagine Lebron getting this kind of help in the finals...would be amazing.

I mean... he just did.

He won The Championship with it against the almighty Pacers. Just like Shaq did in 2000.

[SouBeachTalents]

I mean... he just did.

He won The Championship with it against the almighty Pacers. Just like Shaq did in 2000.
Tbf though Shaq won with a 2nd option who put up a pathetic 16 ppg on terrible efficiency. Reaves & LeBron both had big contributions last night. So it wasn't the epic carry job Shaq had in those Finals.

[Phoenix]

Tbf though Shaq won with a 2nd option who put up a pathetic 16 ppg on terrible efficiency. Reaves & LeBron both had big contributions last night. So it wasn't the epic carry job Shaq had in those Finals.

https://i.gifer.com/1rXp.gif

[Phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zXH4MBRywg&ab_channel=GAMETIMEHIGHLIGHTS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDhkcaJDRo&t=136s&ab_channel=GAMETIMEHIGHLIGHTS

This thread is now about what peak Shaq actually was, beyond posting 2023 statlines from games one didn't bother to watch, in a tournament one didn't give a shit about until Lebron could be a talking point via a teammates performance.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zXH4MBRywg&ab_channel=GAMETIMEHIGHLIGHTS

This thread is now about what peak Shaq actually was, beyond posting 2023 statlines from games one didn't bother to watch, in a tournament one didn't give a shit about until Lebron could be a talking point via a teammates performance.
I like it. Breaking down those Finals by each Laker win

Game 1
Shaq: 43/19/4/3 on 21/31
Kobe: 14/3/5 on 6/13

Game 2
Shaq: 40/24/4/3 on 11/18
Kobe: 2/1/4 on 1/3

Game 4
Shaq: 36/21/1 on 13/25
Kobe: 28/4/5 on 14/27

Game 6
Shaq: 41/12/1/4 on 19/32
Kobe: 26/10/4 on 8/27

Truly historic stuff by Shaq, willing his team to the title nearly singlehandedly :eek:

[RRR3]

8/27 :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

you have a point but AD is comparable defensively to gobert right now and better during playoffs. Gobert's never had a playoff run like AD last year on defense

Gobert's never had as good of a team around him either. I doubt Davis was trying to guard 5 guys by himself

[Phoenix]

I like it. Breaking down those Finals by each Laker win

Game 1
Shaq: 43/19/4/3 on 21/31
Kobe: 14/3/5 on 6/13

Game 2
Shaq: 40/24/4/3 on 11/18
Kobe: 2/1/4 on 1/3

Game 4
Shaq: 36/21/1 on 13/25
Kobe: 28/4/5 on 14/27

Game 6
Shaq: 41/12/1/4 on 19/32
Kobe: 26/10/4 on 8/27

Truly historic stuff by Shaq, willing his team to the title nearly singlehandedly :eek:

Bear in mind TPols has a history of downplaying peak Shaq to prop Kobe, but now he has to play up AD's performance as 'peak Shaq' in order to.....you guessed it.... downplay Lebron.

The scripts write themselves with these lot.

[sdot_thadon]

Kobe and Mj stans going through it in December:oldlol: what an early Christmas present.

[tpols]

Guys... I don't take this shit lightly.

When I see a GOAT performance against the Indiana Pacers... I don't **** around. Doesn't matter whether it's AD or Shaq.

I recognize GOAT shit and will not hesitate to promote it.

[sdot_thadon]

Guys... I don't take this shit lightly.

When I see a GOAT performance against the Indiana Pacers... I don't **** around. Doesn't matter whether it's AD or Shaq.

I recognize GOAT shit and will not hesitate to promote it.

So what did you say about Lebron last game?

[Phoenix]

Guys... I don't take this shit lightly.

When I see a GOAT performance against the Indiana Pacers... I don't **** around. Doesn't matter whether it's AD or Shaq.

I recognize GOAT shit and will not hesitate to promote it.

A GOAT performance against the 'mighty' Pacers as you said earlier? Were you being serious about that or do you really believe this Pacers team was stiff enough competition that balling out against them deserves GOAT status. Asking before you attempt a swerve as to how one should take the usage of 'mighty'.

[red1]

monster game by AD :applause:

[red1]

Bear in mind TPols has a history of downplaying peak Shaq to prop Kobe, but now he has to play up AD's performance as 'peak Shaq' in order to.....you guessed it.... downplay Lebron.

The scripts write themselves with these lot.

he's a kobe fanboy, not a laker fan



tbh he's just mad that lbj has surpassed bean's legacy by a million miles at this point

[tontoz]

For the record Indy beat the two best teams in the East to get here. Let's not pretend that they are patsies.

[ShawkFactory]

Guys... I don't take this shit lightly.

When I see a GOAT performance against the Indiana Pacers... I don't **** around. Doesn't matter whether it's AD or Shaq.

I recognize GOAT shit and will not hesitate to promote it.

You didn’t see anything. You’ve admitted this.

I know you’re in a corner so you need to claw and scratch but it’s coming off as lame.

[SouBeachTalents]

8/27 :roll:
Still better than his Game 7.

[jlip]

Too lazy to see if anyone has already posted LeBron's and AD's stats for the series but here they are.

LeBron 26.4 ppg 8.0 rpg 7.6apg 1.6 spg 0.1bpg 56.8fg%

AD- 23.3 ppg 14.7rog 3.7apg 1.0spg 2.6bpg 52.5fg%

The MVP could have reasonably gone either way, but LeBron did have a slightly better overall series.

[StrongLurk]

Lebron deserved the tournament MVP. True he wasn't anything special in the final game vs the Pacers and AD absolutely was, but it is what it is.

[SATAN]

OP being taken to the cleaners itt. Wow. :lol

[dankok8]

Too lazy to see if anyone has already posted LeBron's and AD's stats for the series but here they are.

LeBron 26.4 ppg 8.0 rpg 7.6apg 1.6 spg 0.1bpg 56.8fg%

AD- 23.3 ppg 14.7rog 3.7apg 1.0spg 2.6bpg 52.5fg%

The MVP could have reasonably gone either way, but LeBron did have a slightly better overall series.

Considering defense where AD has a huge edge, it's really 1a/1b. Both were equally important to the Lakers. In this situation, Lebron will always win MVP because he's more popular. Nothing about that is hard to understand.

As kblaze and a few others said, a 40/20/4 line in what isn't even a playoff game doesn't feel like that big a deal given the recent stat inflation. And yes with this being a very pro-Lebron board, you won't see many pro-Davis threads anyways so tpols kind of has a point as well.

People just have to get a bit less hostile. This board used to be way more friendly and peaceful. At the end of the day, we all love the sport... :cheers:

[tpols]

For people talking about the last game didn't matter for the award, I have a breakdown of the whole tournament and not just the last game.




If we break the games down piece by piece...


@ the Suns

AD 27/15 with best defense on either team. Lebron 31/11/8 with mediocre defense. Same offensive efficency basically. KD went off on 12-17 shooting. ADs presence over Nurkic was clearly the defining thing here. He dwarfed the Suns and made them look small.

Advantage: Split Decision. (at best)


@ the Pelicans.

Lebron clearly won this one. His 3pt barrage buried New Orleans in spectacular fashion. I watched this game. AD had 16 boards and a bunch of steals and blocks but his offense wasn't really needed after Lebrons 2nd quarter eruption. The game was basically over by half time.

Advantage: Lebron clearly.


The Championship
@ the Pacers

AD hangs 40/20/4 on a ridiculous 16/24 from the field dominating both sides of the ball. Lebron puts up 24 points and 4 assists.

Advantage: AD in a landslide.


Overall? Given the fact that it was a split decision and AD dominated the final match, the fact he got 0 votes or consideration for the MVP proves this was a fraud basically setup WWE style for Lebron to win.

AD could've had a 70 point game in "the championship" and he still wouldn't have won.



I would like to see somebody refute this.

[SouBeachTalents]

For people talking about the last game didn't matter for the award, I have a breakdown of the whole tournament and not just the last game.





I would like to see somebody refute this.
The tournament was 7 games, not 3. And seriously, it’s an in-season tournament MVP, no need to still be melting about this days later :lol

[3ba11]

C
At the end of the day, we all love the sport... :cheers:


speak for yourself - i don't view the current format as basketball and our recent loss in international play with what was obviously FAR superior talent demonstrates that we aren't really playing basketball over here so the rest of the world is catching up and passing us

[3ba11]

The tournament was 7 games,

combined record of opponents was 54-75, aka fake tourney

[NBAGOAT]

The tournament was 7 games, not 3. And seriously, it’s an in-season tournament MVP, no need to still be melting about this days later :lol

We’re the only forum in the world with this many threads getting it wrong. It’s tournament mvp not tournament bracket mvp haha

[NBAGOAT]

combined record of opponents was 54-75, aka fake tourney

The tournament had every team in the league. Average record of opponents you face is going be slightly below .500. How is tourney fake

[Phoenix]

speak for yourself - i don't view the current format as basketball and our recent loss in international play with what was obviously FAR superior talent demonstrates that we aren't really playing basketball over here so the rest of the world is catching up and passing us

Yet you spend an inordinate amount of time talking about it. I'm wondering what well-adjusted person spends thousands of posts discussing a sport( the modern version) they have little to no interest in. I think you're a seriel killer the waiting.

[tpols]

The tournament was 7 games, not 3. And seriously, it’s an in-season tournament MVP, no need to still be melting about this days later :lol

The official tournament was 3 round single elimination style.

link proof (https://www.espn.com/nba/in-season-tournament/bracket)

It's not a meltdown. I'm perfectly calm and composed giving you a logical breakdown of what happened.

[dankok8]

Yet you spend an inordinate amount of time talking about it. I'm wondering what well-adjusted person spends thousands of posts discussing a sport( the modern version) they have little to no interest in. I think you're a seriel killer the waiting.

I don't know about serial killer but he's definitely not honest with himself. If you post so much about a subject, clearly you care about it.

[NBAGOAT]

The official tournament was 3 round single elimination style.

link proof (https://www.espn.com/nba/in-season-tournament/bracket)

It's not a meltdown. I'm perfectly calm and composed giving you a logical breakdown of what happened.

they told the voters to vote based on all 7 games. Idk why we're arguing about something indisputable haha

[Full Court]

There was a 50/13 on 77 percent shooting game in only 30 minutes played like a week ago. I’m not saying big games aren’t impressive. I’m saying too many happen to keep making all of them a topic. You’ve been around long enough to know I’ll make a topic about anything. But it takes an awful lot for me to make one about a single game stat line at this point. I’m not sure what it would take right now. Unless it’s a player I’m already a big-time fan so I just want to see what they did? I might need 65. 65 points would do it.

Giannis just pulled a 64-point piece. Does that do it?

[Kblaze8855]

I just woke up and saw he had it(64/14 on 20/28) and I’ve yet to look into it so I guess not. I’m surprised myself.

Was this the Pacers very next game?

They have have some wild opposing numbers this year as fast as they play.

[SATAN]

How did Wemby do against him a few hours ago? Just wondering.

[Phoenix]

Funny I woke up to see Giannis hung 64/14 last night, my mind flashed on this thread.

[tpols]

I was gonna say Giannis game was better until I saw he broke the all time record for FTs in a single game and shot as many as the entire opposing team.

AD scored almost all of his points from the field in a higher stakes game and was better defensively and on the boards.

[Phoenix]

Not sure the point was about the 'better' game. It was just another video game statline to add to the pile. Embiid is averaging like 33/13/6 against Indiana in 2 games this year, I figure Joker will probably drop a 38/18/11 game whenever they play.

[WhiteKyrie]

And doesn't win the MVP?

:oldlol:

This is a fraud lol. The league literally manufactures Lebrons legacy.

Why would it be any different than the 2020 regular season, playoffs, and finals? :oldlol: the pathetic agenda is clear

[Kblaze8855]

I was gonna say Giannis game was better until I saw he broke the all time record for FTs in a single game and shot as many as the entire opposing team.

AD scored almost all of his points from the field in a higher stakes game and was better defensively and on the boards.

you think 32 free throws is an all-time record in the NBA? Guys like Giannis, who live in the paint and are bad free throw shooters have shot more free throws than this Plenty of times even when the league played slower. Dwight had games of 39 free throws in back to back seasons. Once while he was playing with Kobe, he had 39 free throws, and the other team had 17.

I wish you could remember pre-Barkley, Kevin Johnson. He set some playoff free throw record for 5 or 6 game series and would just go at your throat. Soft ass chambers too. They had games they would shoot 80 free throws with KJ and Chambers doing like 20 each and the other team shoot 30.

Anyway…


Guy who can’t be stopped in the paint and can’t shoot free throws? Make him shoot a lot of free throws. You see the huge foul on him when they had to keep his brother from running on the court?

You foul those guys all the time and try to do it hard enough so they can’t get an and One. He’s gonna come through your chest every time he can. Those guys always get free throws. It’s why Corey Maggette had games taking more free throws than the whole other team. And that’s Corey ****ing Maggette

Kobe has also shot more free throws than ann entire team. And Wade. Adrian Dantley. Shaq of course. Karl Malone has done it. You just feel like it’s near impossible. It’s barely even rare. And then this era at the pace teams play? Giannis takes more shots than prime Allen Iverson per minute because teams run so much and play exclusively through stars when they’re on the floor. Frankly, I’m surprised he doesn’t shoot more free throws.

He’s out there making sure he goes into somebody’s chest 45 times a night. The way the league favors offense? I’m waiting for him to shoot 40 one night. If he would be an over the top hoe like Embiid? He’s probably leaving some on the table trying to go through guys and finish.

I always hated how harden would foul hunt and not really even be trying to score. You want to create contact. Fine. But at least try to score. People like Shaq, Giannis and Karl Malone? Yeah they’ll go through your chest but they’re trying to put the ball in the basket.

[tpols]

you think 32 free throws is an all-time record in the NBA?


It quite literally is out of guys that weren't getting hack-a-shaq'ed ie purposely fouled at half court or off the ball. Which is semi illegal now I believe.


https://i.postimg.cc/HxFC6Fc9/Screenshot-20231214-131535-Chrome.jpg


^^^
All guys being purposefully fouled so cant count it against them.

Giannis is literally running people over with a live dribble and getting more calls than entire teams combined. AD scored almost all of his points from the field in a higher stakes game that was basically a PPV Saturday night event.

If AD dropped 40/20 with 5 blocks in some random ass game I probably wouldn't notice, but it's hard to not notice this given how hard it was spotlighted and the fraud that took place with ISH giving it 0 attention.

[r15mohd]

It quite literally is out of guys that weren't getting hack-a-shaq'ed ie purposely fouled at half court or off the ball. Which is semi illegal now I believe.


https://i.postimg.cc/HxFC6Fc9/Screenshot-20231214-131535-Chrome.jpg


^^^
All guys being purposefully fouled so cant count it against them.

Giannis is literally running people over with a live dribble and getting more calls than entire teams combined. AD scored almost all of his points from the field in a higher stakes game that was basically a PPV Saturday night event.

If AD dropped 40/20 with 5 blocks in some random ass game I probably wouldn't notice, but it's hard to not notice this given how hard it was spotlighted and the fraud that took place with ISH giving it 0 attention.


attention was given to the criteria of tournament MVP...not the fallacy you want it to be of a single game.

5 days now, how much longer you gonna cry about it??

[tpols]

As long as you guys keep bumping the thread and are willing to talk about it. I didn't bump it.

[Axe]

I was gonna say Giannis game was better until I saw he broke the all time record for FTs in a single game and shot as many as the entire opposing team.

AD scored almost all of his points from the field in a higher stakes game and was better defensively and on the boards.
You typing through your tears because he hasn't won any kind of mvps yet? :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

It quite literally is out of guys that weren't getting hack-a-shaq'ed ie purposely fouled at half court or off the ball.



it quite literally isn’t. Of course the guys who can’t shoot free throws and you can’t stop around the basket are the ones with the records. Not that what you posted is the real record either. Just the usual thing with an arbitrary cut off point and counting some things and not others. Shaq also shot 39 free throws in the finals game.

The people you’re better off, raking as hard as you can around the neck or arms so they don’t dunk Everything are always going to be at the top.

And You calling it a higher stakes game while insisting it didn’t matter is also wild.

[tpols]

it quite literally isn’t. Of course the guys who can’t shoot free throws and you can’t stop around the basket are the ones with the records. Not that what you posted is the real record either. Just the usual thing with an arbitrary cut off point and counting some things and not others. Shaq also shot 39 free throws in the finals game.

The people you’re better off, raking as hard as you can around the neck or arms so they don’t dunk Everything are always going to be at the top.

And You calling it a higher stakes game while insisting it didn’t matter is also wild.


Everybody knows the distinction between the hack-a-shaq strategy and guys getting calls in the flow of the game. This isn't an arbitrary thing I'm bringing up. For Dwight, DeAndre, and Drummond teams were purposely fouling them before the offensive possession could even start. There's no disputing it.

I just looked it up and Adam Silver apparently banned that strategy in 2016. It's basically a technical foul now with possession still remaining.

That's precisely why we havent a FT total like Giannis just put up in over 7 years with Drummond being the last one to have it employed on him in January 2016.

Giannis isn't getting hack-a-shaqed... quite the opposite, he's fouling players and they're being penalized for it.

While AD in this particular instance did 90% of his damage with no bogus ref assistance.

[tpols]

And it wasn't a higher stakes game to me... I'm going by your standards.

It obviously got way more attention than some random game. The whole board was flooded on the topic with not a single thread made about ADs domination.

[Kblaze8855]

He absolutely gets fouled on purpose including several times last night. The one they have to hold his brother back on, was clearly an overzealous intentional foul. It has not been outlawed even in the way you explain. You just can’t do it off the ball on purpose the last 2 minutes of a quarter instead of just the first.



https://youtu.be/hhSrK5dQM0k?si=MPKmFtgbxVjvirXg



Hell the pacers did it to Giannis recently



https://youtu.be/wA4f5KZjsUg?si=rOyFkWzEBKbRoZJl



Free throw count with guys like that always include a number of “Just foul him” plays and people still come and get outraged as if players aren’t hitting him on purpose and raising their hands to take the blame.

Hes gonna go through you either way. Might as well take the foul and not let him dunk it.

[Kblaze8855]

And it wasn't a higher stakes game to me... I'm going by your standards.




The “I don’t believe what I’m arguing is true but since someone said it was….” trend is really out of hand.

I made a topic a while back about how difficult it is to even talk to you people because nobody can just be real. Half the arguments Some people make are shit they don’t even believe.

if you think his game was meaningless, then say its meaningless.

Either way, any 60 and whatever game is generally going to be more remembered than a 40 20 outside some really special circumstances. Shaq 40/20 finals is ahead of a Tom Chambers regular season 60. But Shaq had 3 40/20s in the 01 playoffs and I don’t think any are as well remembered as a number of Kobe 60s all of which came in the regular season.

The 60 is generally gonna win those battles but it comes down to some circumstance. I guess time will tell how much IST finals will be valued.

Theyre at least as big as regular games though the teams want to win them much worse. I wouldn’t say the game you’re talking about beats out that 59 or so points he had a few years ago in New Orleans.

[tpols]

The Pacers didn't do that last night though. He was blowing through Myles Turner on some Brandon Jacob's shit and still getting every call.

Even the example you posted he had live dribble on. Yea... if the refs are gonna call me for a foul anyway even if I'm in perfect legal guarding position than I may as well just wrap you up before the process of getting ran over and being penalized for it begins.

[Kblaze8855]

An intentional foul is what it is. If you snatch the guy up specifically to keep him from shooting:


https://i.ibb.co/gj2TL8S/IMG-7158.gif



Because you would prefer him shooting free throws? Kind of disingenuous for someone to then come in talking about how many free throws he shot as if the other team was not intentionally having him shoot them. A bad free-throw shooter, shooting a bunch more free throws and ending up with 64 is better Than letting him bump that 20 of 28 up to 30 out of 36 or something. The assumption is he will miss a lot.

When he makes them? Game over.

fact is he shoots an incredible number of free throws for the same reason Shaq did. He just starts facing the basket instead of back to it. Once they get moving, it’s smarter to just hit them. And playing in a league with much higher pace? Shooting more per minute than guys like Iverson and Kobe did?

Like I said in surprised he doesn’t take more free throws. Just throwing out the number as if teams aren’t deciding him shooting. Free throws is the lesser of two evils it’s just being dishonest.

you have never heard me say he doesn’t bully to the basket or that he doesn’t carry and travel. You’ve heard me mention how the league itself for guys like him. But I’m not gonna sit there and watch somebody to get intentionally fouled all the time and act like their number of free throws is ridiculous.

Want him to take less free throws let him dunk the 4-5 times more he could some games. They rather give him 10 more free throws. Taking 25 free throws as opposed to 15 with 5 extra dunks is a good thing for a bad shooter in the eyes of the defense.

He isn’t out here getting non contact free throws. He’s being fouled…on purpose. A lot. You mix that with this ho ass, offense friendly, league, and playing teams like the Pacers that play faster than the showtime Lakers and here you are

[tpols]

:roll:

Wait you think he deserves even MORE FTs than what was already a record setting amount, more than entire rosters combined to shoot by himself? This is too funny.

**** it. Give Giannis 50 free throws a game for offensive fouling everybody. If we're gonna lean into this we may as well go all the way and crown him the GOAT basketball player for his impeccable basketball skill.

[Kblaze8855]

:roll:

Wait you think he deserves even MORE FTs than what was already a record setting amount, more than entire rosters combined to shoot by himself? This is too funny.

**** it. Give Giannis 50 free throws a game for offensive fouling everybody. If we're gonna lean into this we may as well go all the way and crown him the GOAT basketball player for his impeccable basketball skill.


I didn’t say, deserves, I said, I’m surprised he doesn’t shoot more. He shoots more than Kobe did in all but one season and does it almost exclusively driving into the paint and creating contact.

He takes 11.6 per 36 this year even counting last night. Dwight took 11 in his prime shooting like 40% less times. Same for Karl Malone. About 11 but shooting way less. Shaq was 11-12…and also shot less than Giannis.

As rigged as the league is towards offense and driving as much and shooting as much as he does?

Yes. I’m surprised he doesn’t take even more right now.

[tontoz]

I know a lot of people don't like watching Giannis but he is pretty good at changing direction when he drives to avoid blatant charges.

Every game i watch i see bad calls that favor the offense. It happens all the time. It just happens more with him because he drives more often.

[Kblaze8855]

I know a lot of people don't like watching Giannis but he is pretty good at changing direction when he drives to avoid blatant charges.

Every game i watch i see bad calls that favor the offense. It happens all the time. It just happens more with him because he drives more often.

it really has reached the point where I wonder how much of the league people have watched. When he bangs into somebody who is in a half sprint, impeding his path, as he goes up…. people really really think it should be an offensive foul because he initiated the contact. Now whether or not philosophically it should it forces me to ask if these people watch the NBA.

Corey Maggette during that time he decided to just put his head down? Hed probably take 13 free throws a game right now.

pick up your dribble and run into somebody who isn’t fully set 38 times you’re gonna take a bunch of free throws. And then it gets compared to people who might literally go out and take 14 threes once or twice a week.

People bitching about him, Wade, Shaq and so on just don’t make sense to me. They do what you’re supposed to do to end up on the line. Run up into your body while you’re trying to establish position and lean on the fact that the offense always gets more calls.

Bugs me less than the stepback three flop on purpose calls.

Get fouled going towards the basket? Ok. That’s just how it goes. You find someone who throws themselves into the paint like that all game every game and doesn’t get to the line then I’ll be appalled.

[tontoz]

Giannis doesn't flop much, if at all, so he doesn't bother me specifically. It does bother me how much officiating favors the offense though but that isnt a giannis thing.

Flopping to get to the line is routine and does get hard to watch. That flopping rule they put in place seems like it's had no effect at all. Refs just can't identify obvious flops.

[tpols]

I know a lot of people don't like watching Giannis but he is pretty good at changing direction when he drives to avoid blatant charges.

Every game i watch i see bad calls that favor the offense. It happens all the time. It just happens more with him because he drives more often.

That's where the traveling comes into place. He'll take two steps, guys perfectly in front, and then take a 3rd and truck him from the side. Laid out on the ground. And ref calls a foul on the guy who got KO'ed. It's almost like the Simpsons bully Nelson.


https://youtu.be/9_OJBem7N-w?si=PFHF1DugKzQqWjVF



We got this dude literally knocking people's teeth out of their mouths with no call while taking record breaking amounts of free throws.


https://youtu.be/4Bnnp9d-9ZM?si=6uL5v1dg0BHrTkIO

How do you guard him? He can cave your face in with a shoulder or elbow with no call, and if you stand in front and take it often times more than not the call is being made against YOU.

What do you do?

It's simply not basketball.

It's honestly even worse than flopping because at least in that case the refs got tricked. Here it plain as day what's going on... yet the WWE promotion continues.

[tontoz]

That 2nd vid is a pretty bad one to back up the point you are trying to make. First of all it was a loose ball. Secondly the end of the vid (55 second mark) shows that Giannis barely swung his arm at all. Craig literally fell into the elbow. The announcer even said it clearly wasn't on purpose.

[ShawkFactory]

And You calling it a higher stakes game while insisting it didn’t matter is also wild.

I noticed that too :lol

[tpols]

That 2nd vid is a pretty bad one to back up the point you are trying to make. First of all it was a loose ball. Secondly the end of the vid (55 second mark) shows that Giannis barely swung his arm at all. Craig literally fell into the elbow. The announcer even said it clearly wasn't on purpose.

It wasn't a loose ball at all. Giannis had a live dribble, Craig cut him off and poked it slightly away, and Giannis knocked his teeth out to stop the pickpocket and resume control.

If that's not an offensive foul they may as well not exist.

Listen to you guys... dudes could have their teeth elbowed out of their mouths and you're OK'ing it.

This is honestly mind bottling.

[tontoz]

It wasn't a loose ball at all. Giannis had a live dribble, Craig cut him off and poked it slightly away, and Giannis knocked his teeth out to stop the pickpocket and resume control.

If that's not an offensive foul they may as well not exist.

Listen to you guys... dudes could have their teeth elbowed out of their mouths and you're OK'ing it.

This is honestly mind bottling.


Mind bottling? :oldlol:

Giannis dribbled it off his leg. Craig never touched the ball he was on the other side of Giannis and when Giannis slowed down Craig lost his balance. That's why his head was down at Giannis' waist. Giannis barely swung his arm at all.

[Axe]

These fools are so mad that anthony abdul jabbar hasn't sniffed any mvps yet. :roll:

[tontoz]

Here are two screenshots, one right before impact. Self explanatory.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/IMG_20231214_163430.jpg

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/IMG_20231214_163458.jpg

[Kblaze8855]

That is indeed a bad video to make that point. Thats pretty much incidental contact. As many times as he’s done it I’m sure you can find 20 actual aggressive elbows. Not that all those are offensive fouls either. He comes at you too fast to be set. And the euro step and spins keep you from being set early. If it were just running into people everyone would have a Giannis. NBA isn’t lacking big ass strong guys and apparently they’re down to straight up manufacturer stars.

Why not manufacture one for every lacking market?

[tpols]

Mind bottling? :oldlol:

Giannis dribbled it off his leg. Craig never touched the ball he was on the other side of Giannis and when Giannis slowed down Craig lost his balance. That's why his head was down at Giannis' waist. Giannis barely swung his arm at all.

Yes...

Mind bottling.


https://youtu.be/rSfebOXSBOE?si=ZiD5AFU2uiJGy0wX

This is actually one of the crazier rebuttals I've ever seen here. He literally knocked his teeth out.

Do you know the force it takes to knock teeth out?

You definitely weren't a physics major in college.

[tpols]

This isn't a murder 1 charge guys. It doesn't take premediation or intention to commit an offensive foul. Most occur with absolutely no malice intended.

[tontoz]

Yes...

Mind bottling.


https://youtu.be/rSfebOXSBOE?si=ZiD5AFU2uiJGy0wX

This is actually one of the crazier rebuttals I've ever seen here. He literally knocked his teeth out.

Do you know the force it takes to knock teeth out?

You definitely weren't a physics major in college.


I literally posted the screenshots :oldlol:

Where tf is giannis' elbow supposed to be? If you stand up and bend from the waist your elbow will be in the exact same spot as giannis. Craig was already falling before he got hit.

[tpols]

Here are two screenshots, one right before impact. Self explanatory.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/IMG_20231214_163430.jpg

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/IMG_20231214_163458.jpg



:roll:

You just gave close up, rock solid proof photos of what happened.

Look @ that 2nd photo... Giannis smashed his mouth with an upward swinging elbow. His face position didn't change. Gianniss elbow position did.

I've never seen a defense attorney make the prosecutions case like this. You're like an interdimensional inverse version of Johnny Cochran.

Once again, offensive fouls don't require premeditation or intention. If you ****ing knock somebody's teeth out, that's a foul. The fact that this needs to be explained to you is indeed mind bottling.

[SATAN]

How are people not realizing that tpols has been on a trolling spree in recent days. :lol

[tontoz]

:roll:

You just gave close up, rock solid proof photos of what happened.

Look @ that 2nd photo... Giannis smashed his mouth with an upward swinging elbow. His face position didn't change. Gianniss elbow position did.

I've never seen a defense attorney make the prosecutions case like this. You're like an interdimensional inverse version of Johnny Cochran.

Once again, offensive fouls don't require premeditation or intention. If you ****ing knock somebody's teeth out, that's a foul. The fact that this needs to be explained to you is indeed mind bottling.


Are you blind? Giannis barely moved his elbow from the first photo to the 2nd. :facepalm

[tontoz]

How are people not realizing that tpols has been on a trolling spree in recent days. :lol


Seriously WTF is he looking at? Of all the vids out there he chooses this one? :facepalm

[tpols]

I just re-watched it...

Craig was literally falling backwards not forward.

You don't fall backwards into getting your teeth knocked out. Giannis elbow is clearly more vertical and bent at the joint in the 2nd photo than it is in the 1st.

He literally made flush contact with Craig's mouth so hard as he was falling backwards that it dislodged bone from his facial cavity.

And this clown is calling it the defenders fault :oldlol:



If this is how yall play basketball, and call sport I would LOVE to play against some of you.

I'd Karl Malone some of you guys into a different dimension and I don't want to hear no crying.

[tontoz]

I just re-watched it...

Craig was literally falling backwards not forward.

You don't fall backwards into getting your teeth knocked out. Giannis elbow is clearly more vertical and bent at the joint in the 2nd photo than it is in the 1st.

He literally made flush contact with Craig's mouth so hard as he was falling backwards that it dislodged bone from his facial cavity.

And this clown is calling it the defenders fault :oldlol:



If this is how yall play basketball, and call sport I would LOVE to play against some of you.

I'd Karl Malone some of you guys into a different dimension and I don't want to hear no crying.



Lol you really are an idiot.

In the first photo Craig's eyes are well above giannis' shoulder. If his head stays there he doesn't get hit.

[tpols]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/IMG_20231214_163458.jpg


I've never seen somebody on ISH body themselves with evidence against their case this hard. :lol

You're like Lawyer Lionel Hutz from the Simpsons.


https://youtu.be/FtVllgTPyfk?si=O-PT3niNagq5JBRh

[SouBeachTalents]

tpols STILL melting about this tourney, gotdamn :lol

[Axe]

I've never seen somebody on ISH body themselves with evidence against their case this hard. :lol

You're like Lawyer Lionel Hutz from the Simpsons.


https://youtu.be/FtVllgTPyfk?si=O-PT3niNagq5JBRh
So even some curry stans don't get along very well, i suppose. :confusedshrug:

[And1AllDay]

tpols STILL melting about this tourney, gotdamn :lol

:oldlol::oldlol: