Giannis just dropped 64 points

[SATAN]

32 free throws. :milton

[iamgine]

Had 54 against the same opponent a month ago. But lost.

[bison]

Giannis was furious after the game and ran into the Pacers locker room. Apparently a Pacers assistant coach or player stole the game ball and took it away. Obviously a b1tch ass move by the Pacers. This was a career high night for Giannis.

[FultzNationRISE]

Ok, and Lebron could do that every night if he wanted to, he just chooses not to. MOVING ON.

[SATAN]

Ok, and Lebron could do that every night if he wanted to, he just chooses not to. MOVING ON.

LeBron dropped 61 with 12 FTAs so...

[Bawkish]

Giannis was furious after the game and ran into the Pacers locker room. Apparently a Pacers assistant coach or player stole the game ball and took it away. Obviously a b1tch ass move by the Pacers. This was a career high night for Giannis.

It's petty but could be interesting and smells like rivalry is brewing here

[Proctor]

32 FTs :roll:

Boring, uninteresting, overrated player who is going to be neutered in the playoffs

[Full Court]

Giannis was furious after the game and ran into the Pacers locker room. Apparently a Pacers assistant coach or player stole the game ball and took it away. Obviously a b1tch ass move by the Pacers. This was a career high night for Giannis.

Which team was it against when he went into a rage over the dude's ladder?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Pacers are claiming they wanted the ball for their teammate Oscar Tshiebwe, who scored his first NBA point in the game. Not saying that's a lie but for all the love they have for him Tshiebwe is as likely as not to be playing in Europe next year and when that basketball hits the auction block it's not going to be marketed as his first basket. But really neither side is truly wrong, Indy just looks a bit petty.

[Im Still Ballin]

Giannis was furious after the game and ran into the Pacers locker room. Apparently a Pacers assistant coach or player stole the game ball and took it away. Obviously a b1tch ass move by the Pacers. This was a career high night for Giannis.

That was hilarious. Giannis needs to take his meds and chill out.

[Proctor]

32 FTs...should have gave the game ball to the refs :lol

[Kblaze8855]

32 FTs :roll:

Boring, uninteresting, overrated player who is going to be neutered in the playoffs

I’m sure his haters miss when he didn’t have that 50 point finals closeout game that will forever loom larger than any of their hollow criticisms that obviously never depended on the actual results. Now it’s just taking solace in the fact that everyone is more likely to lose than win So you can either call them garbage if the numbers aren’t good or empty stats if they are.

Doesn’t matter who you’re talking about. If you set out to find a reason to downplay somebody you’re going to be right 75+ percent of the time in their career when you can flip any performance to being either bad or not doing enough when they lose while at the same time pretending previous claims don’t make you wrong when they win and dominate.

It’s an easy path to walk.

[Proctor]

I’m sure his haters miss when he didn’t have that 50 point finals closeout game that will forever loom larger than any of their hollow criticisms that obviously never depended on the actual results. Now it’s just taking solace in the fact that everyone is more likely to lose than win So you can either call them garbage if the numbers aren’t good or empty stats if they are.

Doesn’t matter who you’re talking about. If you set out to find a reason to downplay somebody you’re going to be right 75+ percent of the time in their career when you can flip any performance to being either bad or not doing enough when they lose while at the same time pretending previous claims don’t make you wrong when they win and dominate.

It’s an easy path to walk.
Yeah I was getting the same type of responses when I would shit on Harden 10 years ago.

I can respect the 50 point Finals closeout game without respecting his clunky, jumpshot-less, ref-coddled game that got him there.

**** him and **** Harden.

[Kblaze8855]

Like I said you can say it about literally everybody, and claim to be correct because everybody is gonna lose more than they win. Once you’re willing to keep offering the same criticism after they are utterly dominant in powering their team to a championship?

You clear the path to hating everyone forever.

Im sure plenty of people are just waiting for Jokic to lose again. Which he will. As will Lebron. Steph. Durant. Giannis. Luka. Most of them the same season.

You go ahead and lay the groundwork on several guys. Everybody is going to make you right more often than not so you get to do a lot of bragging whether your claims have merit or not. It’s the haters privilege. It’s why hating is Americas chief product these days.

Nothing gives more return on time invested than hating greatness and getting to bask in being right when inevitable defeat comes for 99% of the world yearly.

You hate…you get your payoff one day. Ever see the Philly crowd with all the signs talking shit about the Celtics after they finally knocked them off? 8 titles in a row and fans were talking about overrated, and Boston is dead right before Boston won two more. And then two more the next decade.

Hate isn’t rational. There is truly no stopping it. You’ll all eat good forever off it.

It’s just so nourishing and filling. And every single great player gives you so much to dine on once you lower yourself to disregarding what dominant victory means about your take.

They won’t do it most years. That’s all you need to keep eating.

[Im Still Ballin]

I'm pro-Giannis but even I had to admit some of those shoulder charges on Myles Turner were ridiculous. He had one where he explosively hit him and you could hear the loud thud. It was like a football hit!

[Xiao Yao You]

Ok, and Lebron could do that every night if he wanted to, he just chooses not to. MOVING ON.

he's out tomorrow so no he can't

[FultzNationRISE]

I'm pro-Giannis but even I had to admit some of those shoulder charges on Myles Turner were ridiculous. He had one where he explosively hit him and you could hear the loud thud. It was like a football hit!

Theyve been lettin players do that, I saw Sabonis back his countryman Valenciunus up with a hard shoulder to the chest and got a basket as a result.

Personally I like them lettin it go if its a post up situation and straight up body to body. One guy trying to create space and one trying to hold his ground.

Now if its a running start and you barrel into a guy then I think it should be a foul, because the leverages are just too disproportionate. But just straight post up and putting a shoulder into the defender? Let the defender get low and absorb it, or pull the chair out, or whatever. I say let em battle.

[2swift4u]

So Giannis basically only made dunks/layups and FTs. I didn't see a single midrange or outside shot. To me that's not basketball. I just don't enjoy watching that. But good for him!

[Wardell Curry]

So Giannis basically only made dunks/layups and FTs. I didn't see a single midrange or outside shot. To me that's not basketball. I just don't enjoy watching that. But good for him!

While there is a ton of merit to the idea that he is not nearly as skilled as his contemporaries, at the end of the day, that is a completely irrelevant argument.

Here are facts.

1) He is supremely talented and he works extremely hard. If he weren't, you would see other people his size doing the same things. But you don't, because they don't have the talent.
2) The object is to win the games. Being effective is part of winning. There are no such thing as style points.

I heard the same arguments against Shaq and same arguments against LeBron. It's about getting it done. You don't get extra points for twirling around people, putting the ball between your legs 5x, doing a half spin move and then a fadeaway on the baseline. You get 2 points. That's it.


But also? If this guy is pressed over not getting the game ball, I feel sorry for him, getting emotionally hung up on irrelevant bullshit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgcHBcQRlpw

He's still a kid.

[warriorfan]

Giannis was furious after the game and ran into the Pacers locker room. Apparently a Pacers assistant coach or player stole the game ball and took it away. Obviously a b1tch ass move by the Pacers. This was a career high night for Giannis.

alpha

people who fade giannis usually are little midget cuck dudes

[StrongLurk]

Giannis is one of those guys where I truly think he would be a full tier below what he is now in previous eras. Even putting Giannis back into the NBA between 2005-2012, he would definitely not put up the same level of production.

He would still be a high level all star or potential superstar, but he's not putting up 30/11/6 in the 90's through mid 2010's. A guy like Jokic would have no problem with earlier eras, even Embiid would be fine.

Giannis barely has any post moves, he's just so much better at rim rushing or making easy baskets within 5 feet of the rim than everyone in this era because he's an athletic freak with absurd offensive spacing.

[warriorfan]

Giannis is one of those guys where I truly think he would be a full tier below what he is now in previous eras. Even putting Giannis back into the NBA between 2005-2012, he would definitely not put up the same level of production.

He would still be a high level all star or potential superstar, but he's not putting up 30/11/6 in the 90's through mid 2010's. A guy like Jokic would have no problem with earlier eras, even Embiid would be fine.

Giannis barely has any post moves, he's just so much better at rim rushing or making easy baskets within 5 feet of the rim than everyone in this era because he's an athletic freak with absurd offensive spacing.

If he isn’t a generational player? Why isn’t everyone doing it then?

[2swift4u]

While there is a ton of merit to the idea that he is not nearly as skilled as his contemporaries, at the end of the day, that is a completely irrelevant argument.

Here are facts.

1) He is supremely talented and he works extremely hard. If he weren't, you would see other people his size doing the same things. But you don't, because they don't have the talent.
2) The object is to win the games. Being effective is part of winning. There are no such thing as style points.

I heard the same arguments against Shaq and same arguments against LeBron. It's about getting it done. You don't get extra points for twirling around people, putting the ball between your legs 5x, doing a half spin move and then a fadeaway on the baseline. You get 2 points. That's it.




It's not an argument for/against anything at all. I just said that I don't enjoy watching it. Obviously Giannis and the Bucks don't care how he scores his point (and they don't need to) but I'm not just watching Basketball for the results. I watch it because I enjoy watching players who have mastered the art of basketball and that includes every skill, especially shooting. Also I don't really believe that Giannis works much harder than anyone else and therefore has become physically superior. He's a freak of nature. Just like Shaq was. People can work as hard they want, 99.9% of them will never be able to basically go from one basket to the other with just 1 or 2 dribbles and dunk the ball.

[StrongLurk]

If he isn’t a generational player? Why isn’t everyone doing it then?

He's a generational athlete playing in the easiest offensive era since the 3-point line was added.

Again I said he'd still be a great player in previous eras, but the eye test still shows Giannis is pretty damn raw when it comes to offensive skill/refinement. He has spaced out lanes and 6'9 Centers guarding him for 90% of the games. He relies on his size/athleticism far more than guys like Jokic/Embiid, and other past elite big men like Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, etc. People wanted to say "Shaq is just bigger than everyone", but the guy had plenty of post skills/footwork involved and played his whole prime in the slowest/most defensive era.

So that's the "why" he is producing at an absurd level and not everyone is...because most players in the NBA are NOT generational athletes.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Giannis is one of those guys where I truly think he would be a full tier below what he is now in previous eras. Even putting Giannis back into the NBA between 2005-2012, he would definitely not put up the same level of production.

He would still be a high level all star or potential superstar, but he's not putting up 30/11/6 in the 90's through mid 2010's. A guy like Jokic would have no problem with earlier eras, even Embiid would be fine.

Giannis barely has any post moves, he's just so much better at rim rushing or making easy baskets within 5 feet of the rim than everyone in this era because he's an athletic freak with absurd offensive spacing.

Shaq dominated with overwhelming physicality and athleticism. Why couldn't Giannis? Giannis is physically maybe even stronger than David Robinson but with the quickness and agility to defend guards. If he is officiated the same way (some of the fouls that are called on defenders could definitely be called the other way) he's a nightmare match up in any era. He would not be surrounded by a many shooters but it also wouldn't be as big of a deal that he can't shoot. There would have been no one like him. Heck even today there is no one like him, ask yourself who is the defender that gives Giannis problems without teammate help? That guy doesn't exist.

[Manny98]

His reaction to getting the game ball stolen had me in tears


https://youtu.be/DiJXfx4ZGpA?si=gck-U0HiwllU4GaB

[Real Men Wear Green]

Is there a rule about who owns the game balls? Or would make sense for either the balls to belong to the home team or for them to be given to the winning team but I don't think I've ever heard about that either way.

[StrongLurk]

Shaq dominated with overwhelming physicality and athleticism. Why couldn't Giannis? Giannis is physically maybe even stronger than David Robinson but with the quickness and agility to defend guards. If he is officiated the same way (some of the fouls that are called on defenders could definitely be called the other way) he's a nightmare match up in any era. He would not be surrounded by a many shooters but it also wouldn't be as big of a deal that he can't shoot. There would have been no one like him. Heck even today there is no one like him, ask yourself who is the defender that gives Giannis problems without teammate help? That guy doesn't exist.

Again I said he'd still be a great player in previous eras, but the eye test still shows Giannis is pretty damn raw when it comes to offensive skill/refinement. He has spaced out lanes and 6'9 Centers guarding him for 90% of the games. He relies on his size/athleticism far more than guys like Jokic/Embiid, and other past elite big men like Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, etc. People wanted to say "Shaq is just bigger than everyone", but the guy had plenty of post skills/footwork involved and played his whole prime in the slowest/most defensive era.

So that's the "why" he is producing at an absurd level and not everyone is...most players in the NBA are NOT generational athletes.

Giannis is at 30/12/6 in 32mpg over the last 6 years. He's not doing that in previous NBA formats. Even something as recent as 2008-2014...he'd be closer to 25/10/4. So still really good, but not at a GOAT level.

A great example is Lebron. He's basically putting up the same "stats" on the Lakers as he did on the Heat, but we KNOW by the "eye test" that Lebron is clearly a worse player now than he was on the Heat despite similar box scores.

I've made threads on this before, but we really need to consider the current NBA format that's occurred over the last 5 years or so as a completely new ERA. We've got more 20 point and 30 point scorers than EVER, and multiple guys every year breaking PER records and other shit like that. There is no denying that the NBA is the most offensive friends it's ever been in the 3-point era. Loose defense, tons of space, tons of fastbreaks, tons of 3s, tons of travels/carries that aren't called anymore (but are called at every other level of basketball), etc.

The NBA really needs to revert to what is was like 2005-2016 ish when it comes to "format" and rules. That era had the best blend of playstyles.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What skill is Giannis lacking that doesn't have to do with the ability to shoot? Buck opponents have the whole defense focused on keeping him out of the paint, so long as he has the ball on our near the paint the only thing a defender can do is fall down and how they call a charge. The reason why a 6'9 big is the main router of defender they guard him with is that there is no ideal defender so everyone just throws a strong guy with some mobility at him and then sends help. Previous eras would have the exact same problem.

[Full Court]

Theyve been lettin players do that, I saw Sabonis back his countryman Valenciunus up with a hard shoulder to the chest and got a basket as a result.

Personally I like them lettin it go if its a post up situation and straight up body to body. One guy trying to create space and one trying to hold his ground.

Now if its a running start and you barrel into a guy then I think it should be a foul, because the leverages are just too disproportionate. But just straight post up and putting a shoulder into the defender? Let the defender get low and absorb it, or pull the chair out, or whatever. I say let em battle.

But if the refs were consistent about calling that, then Lebron would be averaging about 12 ppg.

[StrongLurk]

What skill is Giannis lacking that doesn't have to do with the ability to shoot? Buck opponents have the whole defense focused on keeping him out of the paint, so long as he has the ball on our near the paint the only thing a defender can do is fall down and how they call a charge. The reason why a 6'9 big is the main router of defender they guard him with is that there is no ideal defender so everyone just throws a strong guy with some mobility at him and then sends help. Previous eras would have the exact same problem.

Looks, if you can tell the difference between the current NBA and previous eras...then I can't continue a discussion with you on this. You are ignoring massive fundamental differences.

Reading between the lines for your messages, you are basically saying there is no different between Shaq and Giannis and they are the same level of player...which is ridiculous in my opinion.

If you want to take Giannis' stats at face value then he is already a top 10 player of all time.

[highwhey]

i suddenly like the pacers organization a lot. :applause:

[dankok8]

Again I said he'd still be a great player in previous eras, but the eye test still shows Giannis is pretty damn raw when it comes to offensive skill/refinement. He has spaced out lanes and 6'9 Centers guarding him for 90% of the games. He relies on his size/athleticism far more than guys like Jokic/Embiid, and other past elite big men like Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, etc. People wanted to say "Shaq is just bigger than everyone", but the guy had plenty of post skills/footwork involved and played his whole prime in the slowest/most defensive era.

So that's the "why" he is producing at an absurd level and not everyone is...most players in the NBA are NOT generational athletes.

Giannis is at 30/12/6 in 32mpg over the last 6 years. He's not doing that in previous NBA formats. Even something as recent as 2008-2014...he'd be closer to 25/10/4. So still really good, but not at a GOAT level.

A great example is Lebron. He's basically putting up the same "stats" on the Lakers as he did on the Heat, but we KNOW by the "eye test" that Lebron is clearly a worse player now than he was on the Heat despite similar box scores.

I've made threads on this before, but we really need to consider the current NBA format that's occurred over the last 5 years or so as a completely new ERA. We've got more 20 point and 30 point scorers than EVER, and multiple guys every year breaking PER records and other shit like that. There is no denying that the NBA is the most offensive friends it's ever been in the 3-point era. Loose defense, tons of space, tons of fastbreaks, tons of 3s, tons of travels/carries that aren't called anymore (but are called at every other level of basketball), etc.

The NBA really needs to revert to what is was like 2005-2016 ish when it comes to "format" and rules. That era had the best blend of playstyles.

This honestly. I completely agree with this post start to finish.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Looks, if you can tell the difference between the current NBA and previous eras...then I can't continue a discussion with you on this. You are ignoring massive fundamental differences.

Reading between the lines for your messages, you are basically saying there is no different between Shaq and Giannis and they are the same level of player...which is ridiculous in my opinion.

If you want to take Giannis' stats at face value then he is already a top 10 player of all time.Wrong, I am not saying that Giannis is Shaq, I am pointing out the fact that he is a unique physical talent. You make trhe meaningless distinction that he would still be a great" player, but not as great a player. What, is he somehow limited to 27 and 10 in 2008? Because that's still an MVP level season. Who in the history of the game is like Giannis for you to point to and say proves he's less effective in the past? In the most 3-point heavy era of all time he stays among the top 3 in the league without any ability to shoot whatsoever. But he would be less dominant in an era where the top scorers in the league aren't just a bunch of point guards with three-point range?

[Wally450]

How the Pacers gonna steal the game ball because their rookie made his first basket??

I'd be heated too if I was Giannis. I just dropped 64 points.

[elementally morale]

His reaction to getting the game ball stolen had me in tears


https://youtu.be/DiJXfx4ZGpA?si=gck-U0HiwllU4GaB

It is fitting he celebrated the win with an open court dunk starting with a huge-huge travel violation. :oldlol:
I mean... sure... great athlete etc. But this last possession tells us a lot about both him and the era. Yes, he would be great in any other era. I mean it. I just don't like this kind of 'basketball'. Nevermind, good for him.

[StrongLurk]

Wrong, I am not saying that Giannis is Shaq, I am pointing out the fact that he is a unique physical talent. You make trhe meaningless distinction that he would still be a great" player, but not as great a player. What, is he somehow limited to 27 and 10 in 2008? Because that's still an MVP level season. Who in the history of the game is like Giannis for you to point to and say proves he's less effective in the past? In the most 3-point heavy era of all time he stays among the top 3 in the league without any ability to shoot whatsoever. But he would be less dominant in an era where the top scorers in the league aren't just a bunch of point guards with three-point range?

Let me rephrase it some. Giannis in the current era (2019-now) is a GOAT-level player.

I believe he would be a high all-star/low superstar type player in the past few eras.

So instead of a perennial top 3 guy in the NBA, he'd be a perennial top 8-12 player in the NBA. That may not seem like a big difference to some people, but it is a big difference to me.

[ILLsmak]

Shaq dominated with overwhelming physicality and athleticism. Why couldn't Giannis? Giannis is physically maybe even stronger than David Robinson but with the quickness and agility to defend guards. If he is officiated the same way (some of the fouls that are called on defenders could definitely be called the other way) he's a nightmare match up in any era. He would not be surrounded by a many shooters but it also wouldn't be as big of a deal that he can't shoot. There would have been no one like him. Heck even today there is no one like him, ask yourself who is the defender that gives Giannis problems without teammate help? That guy doesn't exist.

Didn't big al bother him?

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

It is fitting he celebrated the win with an open court dunk starting with a huge-huge travel violation. :oldlol:
I mean... sure... great athlete etc. But this last possession tells us a lot about both him and the era. Yes, he would be great in any other era. I mean it. I just don't like this kind of 'basketball'. Nevermind, good for him.

yea it was prol that dunk that got the ball taken, but in MIL there's no way they could take the ball from him. How did he let it happen??

-Smak

[Proctor]

He's a generational athlete playing in the easiest offensive era since the 3-point line was added.

Again I said he'd still be a great player in previous eras, but the eye test still shows Giannis is pretty damn raw when it comes to offensive skill/refinement. He has spaced out lanes and 6'9 Centers guarding him for 90% of the games. He relies on his size/athleticism far more than guys like Jokic/Embiid, and other past elite big men like Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, etc. People wanted to say "Shaq is just bigger than everyone", but the guy had plenty of post skills/footwork involved and played his whole prime in the slowest/most defensive era.

So that's the "why" he is producing at an absurd level and not everyone is...because most players in the NBA are NOT generational athletes.
:applause::applause::applause:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Didn't big al bother him?

-Smak
He stands up to him but can't do it all game and has to have help. Last two seasons if the Celtics just had to get one stop on him the primary defender might just be Grant Williams with Rob Williams or Al Harford behind him amd one of the perimeter guys doubling down, then counting on Smart Tatum and Brown to rotate in time correctly.

[Proctor]

His reaction to getting the game ball stolen had me in tears


https://youtu.be/DiJXfx4ZGpA?si=gck-U0HiwllU4GaB
Just a little roid rage :roll:

[tpols]

Giannis just took the most FTs in NBA history without being a center that was getting intentionally hack-a-shaqed. The only guys ahead of him in history were Dwight, Drummond, and DeAndre Jordan who were being purposely loophole fouled.

[StrongLurk]

Giannis just took the most FTs in NBA history without being a center that was getting intentionally hack-a-shaqed. The only guys ahead of him in history were Dwight, Drummond, and DeAndre Jordan who were being purposely loophole fouled.

Pacers are the worst defense in the league. A guy like Giannis will annihilate them every time.

[jlip]

As a scorer, Giannis is actually what critics tried to claim LeBron was.

[Axe]

Pacers are the worst defense in the league. A guy like Giannis will annihilate them every time.
Yet that pacers team still won against them in the ist.

[highwhey]

As a scorer, Giannis is actually what critics tried to claim LeBron was.

which is why no one respects giannis. dude fouls his way to the basket yet gets 18 whistles lol...he's a meme, i don't think he knows it, but he is.

[Jasper]

32 FTs :roll:

Boring, uninteresting, overrated player who is going to be neutered in the playoffs

yep game 6 50 points to win his first ring.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yet that pacers team still won against them in the ist.

:facepalm

[tpols]

:facepalm


Why are you discounting The Championship, man?

[Xiao Yao You]

Why are you discounting The Championship, man?

:lol

[tontoz]

Lets take away foul shots completely.

From the field Giannis is averaging 24 ppg with an EFG of 63%. Pretty sure nobody in the league is scoring that many points from the field with that level of efficiency.

[WhiteKyrie]

32 FTs...should have gave the game ball to the refs :lol

Facts hah

[highwhey]

Lets take away foul shots completely.

From the field Giannis is averaging 24 ppg with an EFG of 63%. Pretty sure nobody in the league is scoring that many points from the field with that level of efficiency.

half of those points are the result of refs looking the other way and not calling a blatant offensive foul, try harder. next.

[highwhey]

32 FTs...should have gave the game ball to the refs :lol

:roll:

[tontoz]

half of those points are the result of refs looking the other way and not calling a blatant offensive foul, try harder. next.

The rules favor the offense. Do you even watch games? Every game guys get to the line from cheap calls.

If it's so easy why aren't there a lot of other players doing it? :confusedshrug: