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dankok8
12-16-2023, 07:58 PM
I've recently been watching a lot of Bulls playoff games and tracking plus minus for games before 1996-97.

Here is the complete game-by-game Michael Jordan plus-minus data for the NBA Finals:

https://i.postimg.cc/JhgwrmH0/Michael-Jordan-Complete-FInals-Plus-Minus.jpg

I also have the points scored for and against and can post ORtg and DRtg later.
Carbine
12-16-2023, 08:02 PM
Who cares?
SATAN
12-16-2023, 08:05 PM
Who cares?

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1987_Lakers
12-16-2023, 09:20 PM
I always have respect for someone who takes their time to do stuff like this. Takes alot of time and patience.
And1AllDay
12-17-2023, 12:10 AM
and without big d1ck pip? :oldlol:
elementally morale
12-17-2023, 12:34 AM
I always have respect for someone who takes their time to do stuff like this. Takes alot of time and patience.

This. :cheers:
dankok8
12-17-2023, 01:09 AM
I always have respect for someone who takes their time to do stuff like this. Takes alot of time and patience.

Thanks man.

It's not so bad though tracking plus-minus. Just note the time and score when a player is subbed in and out. Adds a couple of minutes to watching a game but nothing unmanageable. I also make a few notes on defense and other stuff when I watch these games.
Full Court
12-17-2023, 09:47 AM
Personally, I don't take any stock in +/- as a means of evaluating an individual player, but I've heard that Lebron's finals +/- is -86. Anyone know if that's true?
ILLsmak
12-17-2023, 07:53 PM
Thanks man.

It's not so bad though tracking plus-minus. Just note the time and score when a player is subbed in and out. Adds a couple of minutes to watching a game but nothing unmanageable. I also make a few notes on defense and other stuff when I watch these games.

I wanna see an MJ flop compilation, got time? haha. But yea I love the takes. Any time someone presents me info, assuming it's true, I'm like ah nice.

Interesting, tho.

-Smak
3ba11
12-17-2023, 08:36 PM
Am I missing something because OP stats say -1.8 for plus/minus in the 98' Finals, while nba.com says +6.5:

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/traditional?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
dankok8
12-18-2023, 01:24 AM
Am I missing something because OP stats say -1.8 for plus/minus in the 98' Finals, while nba.com says +6.5:

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/traditional?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4

6.5 is his ON per game. Multiply by 6 games and you get +39 which is Jordan's total ON.

-1.8 is his ON-OFF Net Rating. All numbers in the OP are per 100 possessions.
RRR3
12-18-2023, 01:40 AM
6.5 is his ON per game. Multiply by 6 games and you get +39 which is Jordan's total ON.

-1.8 is his ON-OFF Net Rating. All numbers in the OP are per 100 possessions.
Well well well, the Bulls were BETTER with MJ off the court in the 98 finals :yaohappy:

By 3ball's own logic, this means he was a net negative (he says the same thing about LeBron in the 2013 finals when he was +0.0 iirc)
dankok8
12-18-2023, 02:24 PM
Well well well, the Bulls were BETTER with MJ off the court in the 98 finals :yaohappy:

By 3ball's own logic, this means he was a net negative (he says the same thing about LeBron in the 2013 finals when he was +0.0 iirc)

Don't point out the 92 Finals to him. He might get a heart attack! :lol
Full Court
12-19-2023, 10:03 AM
Well well well, the Bulls were BETTER with MJ off the court in the 98 finals :yaohappy:

By 3ball's own logic, this means he was a net negative (he says the same thing about LeBron in the 2013 finals when he was +0.0 iirc)

All you're doing is demonstrating why these kinds of stats are misleading at best.