People gotta stop putting Lebron in the top 3 over Chamberlain

[Walk on Water]

Lebron is not better than Wilt was. Give me a break.. that is not true. Wilt earned his legacy. Lebrons is partly manufactured. In what universe could Lebron average 50 points and 20 rebounds? Even if Wilt didn’t have as great of competition, you can’t take all that away. Lebron could never do any of those things. You’re meaning to tell me cuz he averages 7 assists, that supersedes every other thing Wilt was better at? Come on.. even Jokic is greater than peak Lebron. But Lebron does get credit for longevity, even though he probably should be retired.

We gotta stop acting like all these legends didn’t play or weren’t as great.

[Full Court]

Agree. Wilt destroys Lebron.

Wilt is top 3. Lebron is somewhere around 8-10.

[Walk on Water]

Agree. Wilt destroys Lebron.

Wilt is top 3. Lebron is somewhere around 8-10.


And I would have no problem if people were as realistic as you. 8-10 is much more reasonable. But people say he’s better than Mike and act like they don’t know Wilt.

[3ba11]

When Shaq heard that Wilt played every single minute in an NBA season (48 min per game), he told Phil that he wanted to do the same thing.

Shaq lasted 2 games and then told Phil to back off the minutes.

People don't realize that Wilt might be the goat athlete in basketball.

Now let's look at Lebron and his "load management" and acting like he's been shot every time he gets hit - there's a zero percent chance that he has the athletic ability or mental capacity to play 48 minutes per game for 82 games.

Of course then there's the manufacturing - Lebron is a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy) and never learned how to WIN (championship chemistry) like Wilt did.. Lebron has a history of bad fits and never climbed the learning curve of great chemistry and brand of ball..

The NBA was also rigged against Wilt by putting all the best players in the league on Russell's team and then forcing Wilt to face them with a 1 or 2-man team.. Otoh, Lebron hand-picked the preseason favorite super-team from 2011-2016 and 2020

[1987_Lakers]

When Shaq heard that Wilt played every single minute in an NBA season (48 min per game), he told Phil that he wanted to do the same thing.

Shaq lasted 2 games and then told Phil to back off the minutes.
What a load of shit. Shaq played 34 minutes in both of his first two games with Phil.

[3ba11]

What a load of shit. Shaq played 34 minutes in both of his first two games with Phil.


https://www.slamonline.com/archives/phil-jackson-challenged-shaquille-oneal-play-48-minutes-per-game/


"In the first week of the 1999–2000 season, I (Phil) stopped him coming off the floor during a timeout and asked him: “What do you think was Wilt’s greatest accomplishment?” He quickly and confidently replied: “Averaging 50 points and 30 rebounds a game.”



I shook my head. […] “Nope, he averaged over 48 minutes a game. Do you think you could do that?”



Walking out of the timeout huddle, he looked back at me. […] “He could do it. So can I.”



So I played him 48 minutes a game until he called uncle, which wasn’t that many games into November. But he didn’t want to come to my office to tell me, so he sent John Salley as his spokesperson. I was glad to comply, as I didn’t expect this experiment to last the whole year. That wasn’t the point. We never spoke another word about it. It did, however, get him in great condition. By season’s end, he was the MVP."

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.slamonline.com/archives/phil-jackson-challenged-shaquille-oneal-play-48-minutes-per-game/


"In the first week of the 1999–2000 season, I (Phil) stopped him coming off the floor during a timeout and asked him: “What do you think was Wilt’s greatest accomplishment?” He quickly and confidently replied: “Averaging 50 points and 30 rebounds a game.”



I shook my head. […] “Nope, he averaged over 48 minutes a game. Do you think you could do that?”



Walking out of the timeout huddle, he looked back at me. […] “He could do it. So can I.”



So I played him 48 minutes a game until he called uncle, which wasn’t that many games into November. But he didn’t want to come to my office to tell me, so he sent John Salley as his spokesperson. I was glad to comply, as I didn’t expect this experiment to last the whole year. That wasn’t the point. We never spoke another word about it. It did, however, get him in great condition. By season’s end, he was the MVP."

The only time Shaq played 48 minutes was a game in January that went to OT. Fake news.

[1987_Lakers]

The NBA was also rigged against Wilt by putting all the best players in the league on Russell's team and then forcing Wilt to face them with a 1 or 2-man team.. Otoh, Lebron hand-picked the preseason favorite super-team from 2011-2016 and 2020

Did they also rig it when Wilt joined Jerry West & Elgin Baylor and still couldn't beat the Celtics who were on their last legs?

[nineiron]

The only time Shaq played 48 minutes was a game in January that went to OT. Fake news.

oh it's fake news because you said so?

[warriorfan]

Did they also rig it when Wilt joined Jerry West & Elgin Baylor and still couldn't beat the Celtics who were on their last legs?

pretty sure wilt blew his knee out a few times by that point and elgin was getting ancient

plus if you add up the amount of games where all 3 played I imagine it would be a lot less than you think

[1987_Lakers]

oh it's fake news because you said so?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2000

Shut up.

[1987_Lakers]

pretty sure wilt blew his knee out a few times by that point and elgin was getting ancient

plus if you add up the amount of games where all 3 played I imagine it would be a lot less than you think

Wilt blew out his knee the next season, he had knee issues before that, but they were not too serious.

Correction, he blew out his knee in '71, two years later.

[warriorfan]

Wilt blew out his knee the next season, he had knee issues before that, but they were not too serious.

so they had one season where they were semi healthy together and baylor was already pretty washed at that point

hard to use that as a slight vs wilt lol

[1987_Lakers]

so they had one season where they were semi healthy together and baylor was already pretty washed at that point

hard to use that as a slight vs wilt lol

Averaging 25 ppg is all of a sudden "pretty washed". :lol

Fact is nobody had the Celtics beating the Lakers in '69, you make jokes all the time how Jason Terry outscored LeBron in 2011, but in the '69 Finals, Wilt got outscored by Don Nelson.

[tpols]

https://www.slamonline.com/archives/phil-jackson-challenged-shaquille-oneal-play-48-minutes-per-game/


"In the first week of the 1999–2000 season, I (Phil) stopped him coming off the floor during a timeout and asked him: “What do you think was Wilt’s greatest accomplishment?” He quickly and confidently replied: “Averaging 50 points and 30 rebounds a game.”



I shook my head. […] “Nope, he averaged over 48 minutes a game. Do you think you could do that?”



Walking out of the timeout huddle, he looked back at me. […] “He could do it. So can I.”



So I played him 48 minutes a game until he called uncle, which wasn’t that many games into November. But he didn’t want to come to my office to tell me, so he sent John Salley as his spokesperson. I was glad to comply, as I didn’t expect this experiment to last the whole year. That wasn’t the point. We never spoke another word about it. It did, however, get him in great condition. By season’s end, he was the MVP."

Straight ether.

[warriorfan]

Averaging 25 ppg is all of a sudden "pretty washed". :lol

Fact is nobody had the Celtics beating the Lakers in '69, you make jokes all the time how Jason Terry outscored LeBron in 2011, but in the '69 Finals, Wilt got outscored by Don Nelson.

what was 35 year old elgins’ numbers in the playoffs?

15 ppg lol

Keep it intellectually honest my lil dude

[1987_Lakers]

what was 35 year old elgins’ numbers in the playoffs?

15 ppg lol

Keep it intellectually honest my lil dude

How old were Bill Russell & Sam Jones during that time? Without looking it up they were around the same age.

And Wilt averaged 14 ppg in the playoffs.

Nothing I said was wrong. Lakers were huge favorites, but still lost.

https://www.nytimes.com/1969/04/23/archives/lakers-rule-as-115-favorites-over-celtics-because-of-wilt.html

[warriorfan]

How old were Bill Russell & Sam Jones during that time? Without looking it up they were around the same age.

And Wilt averaged 14 ppg in the playoffs.

Nothing I said was wrong. Lakers were huge favorites, but still lost.

https://www.nytimes.com/1969/04/23/archives/lakers-rule-as-115-favorites-over-celtics-because-of-wilt.html

i’m not sure but i think wilts new coach wanted him to score less and focus on defense. he had 25+ rebounds a game and was focusing on the defensive end

bron was a favorite in the finals and lost, vegas doesn’t get it right all the time

i mean it takes a year or two for a team to gel properly, to throw 3 guys together with one being over the hill and expecting them too beat a perennial champion dynasty team is a little much

i mean bron struggled vs the 2011 mavs with Wade dropping bombs

It’s a process

[1987_Lakers]

i’m not sure but i think wilts new coach wanted him to score less and focus on defense. he had 25+ rebounds a game and was focusing on the defensive end

bron was a favorite in the finals and lost, vegas doesn’t get it right all the time

i mean it takes a year or two for a team to gel properly, to throw 3 guys together with one being over the hill and expecting them it beat a perennial champion dynasty team is a little much

i mean bron struggled vs the 2011 mavs with Wade dropping bombs

It’s a process

Yea, it's a process, the 2011 Heat never really fit together because they had a bunch of shitty role players around the big 3, & LeBron/Wade had trouble determining who was the best player, but that doesn't stop people from clowning LeBron for losing that season, and deservingly so. It still should have been enough to beat the Mavs.

Pretty much the same could be said about the Lakers that year. The Celtics didn't even win 50 games that season, they were a #4 seed in the east, had an ancient Bill Russell and Sam Jones, they had no business beating the Lakers that Finals. Trust me, if the internet was around back then you would hear "Don Nelson outscored Wilt" jokes here as well.

And I can't even imagine what this place would look like the next year when Wilt lost again in the Finals to a team missing their MVP due to injury.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yea, it's a process, the 2011 Heat never really fit together because they had a bunch of shitty role players around the big 3, but that doesn't stop people from clowning LeBron for losing that season, and deservingly so. It still should have been enough to beat the Mavs.

Pretty much the same could be said about the Lakers that year. The Celtics didn't even win 50 games that season, they were a #4 seed in the east, had an ancient Bill Russell and Sam Jones, they had no business beating the Lakers that Finals. Trust me, if the internet was around back then you would hear "Don Nelson outscored Wilt" jokes here as well.

And I can't even imagine what this place would look like the next year when Wilt lost again in the Finals to a team missing their MVP due to injury.

Who was guarding Nellie? It wasn't Russell

[warriorfan]

Yea, it's a process, the 2011 Heat never really fit together because they had a bunch of shitty role players around the big 3, & LeBron/Wade had trouble determining who was the best player, but that doesn't stop people from clowning LeBron for losing that season, and deservingly so. It still should have been enough to beat the Mavs.

Pretty much the same could be said about the Lakers that year. The Celtics didn't even win 50 games that season, they were a #4 seed in the east, had an ancient Bill Russell and Sam Jones, they had no business beating the Lakers that Finals. Trust me, if the internet was around back then you would hear "Don Nelson outscored Wilt" jokes here as well.

And I can't even imagine what this place would look like the next year when Wilt lost again in the Finals to a team missing their MVP due to injury.

so bron got a bigger choke vs a lesser team after he made his big 3…and more importantly everyone was in their prime and healthy where the lakers were not.

ok got it

[1987_Lakers]

so bron got a bigger choke vs a lesser team after he made his big 3…and more importantly everyone was in their prime and healthy where the lakers were not.

ok got it

vs a lesser team? Mavs won more games and swept Kobe/Gasol & beat Durant/Westbrook/Harden in the WCF.

[warriorfan]

vs a lesser team? Mavs won more games and swept Kobe/Gasol & beat Durant/Westbrook/Harden in the WCF.

Durant westbrook and harden were 21 and 22 years old at the time and dirk smoked them

Dirk didn’t even go nuclear vs the heat, bron just choked at 25 years old in his prime, he had plenty of finals experience at that point too.

[RRR3]

OP is warriorsfan.

[1987_Lakers]

Durant westbrook and harden were 21 and 22 years old at the time and dirk smoked them

Dirk didn’t even go nuclear vs the heat, bron just choked at 25 years old in his prime, he had plenty of finals experience at that point too.

Not only did Wilt choke in 1969, also choked in '70 by losing to a team missing their MVP.

Meanwhile, this is how LeBron responded from 2011.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN17J-KMWnY&t

[warriorfan]

Not only did Wilt choke in 1969, also choked in '70 by losing to a team missing their MVP.

Meanwhile, this is how LeBron responded from 2011.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN17J-KMWnY&t

he finally was able to beat the aging celtics after making a super team of 3 allstars in their prime

cool.

[1987_Lakers]

he finally was able to beat the aging celtics after making a super team of 3 allstars in their prime

cool.

Something Wilt couldn't do in '69.

[warriorfan]

Something Wilt couldn't do in '69.

if wilt, elgin, and west were all in their prime in their mid 20’s like wade, lebron, bosh’s heat they would have had a lot better of a chance

[1987_Lakers]

if wilt, elgin, and west were all in their prime in their mid 20’s like wade, lebron, bosh’s heat they would have had a lot better of a chance

What did Bosh average in that 2012 series vs Boston? Didn't he miss like 4 games?

West had his best series ever in '69 vs Boston, he was in peak form and it still wasn't enough for Wilt

[warriorfan]

What did Bosh average in that 2012 series vs Boston? Didn't he miss like 4 games?

West had his best series ever in '69 vs Boston, he was in peak form and it still wasn't enough for Wilt

if wilt was 25/26 like lebron he probably would have faired much better

[Smook A.]

Hate him or love him but LeBron's sustained level of greatness is unmatched. At worst he's the 2nd best player ever.

[1987_Lakers]

if wilt was 25/26 like lebron he probably would have faired much better

Not really, Wilt who was coming off an MVP season blew a 3-1 lead, first player to ever do it actually.

[3ba11]

LeBron's sustained level of greatness is unmatched. At worst he's the 2nd best player ever.


Playing at a lower level for longer (longevity) means exactly nothing.

There's more than 1 guy that played better basketball than he did, so that means he's below #2.

[Smook A.]

Playing at a lower level for longer (longevity) means exactly nothing.

There's more than 1 guy that played better basketball than he did, so that means he's below #2.

How does it mean nothing? There's exactly 0 other players in NBA history who played this good for this long. Don't be in denial.

[Full Court]

How does it mean nothing? There's exactly 0 other players in NBA history who played this good for this long. Don't be in denial.

The vast majority of people rank someone who played at the GOAT level for 10+ years higher than someone who played at merely an elite level for 15+ years. You can't really make a good case otherwise.

[Smook A.]

The vast majority of people rank someone who played at the GOAT level for 10+ years higher than someone who played at merely an elite level for 15+ years. You can't really make a good case otherwise.

At minimum, LeBron's been elite since his 2nd season in the league. That's 20 seasons. He played at a GOAT level for at least half those years and was undeniably the best player in the league from 2009-2018. Did you just start watching basketball recently?

[warriorfan]

I mean I give props to lebron for taking good care of his body and keeping up with the cutting edge of PED’s. But does it really make him better at the game of basketball?

[Full Court]

At minimum, LeBron's been elite since his 2nd season in the league. That's 20 seasons. He played at a GOAT level for at least half those years and was undeniably the best player in the league from 2009-2018. Did you just start watching basketball recently?

Wrong. He never played at a GOAT level. And he was not "undeniably" the best player in the league for all those years.

[Full Court]

I mean I give props to lebron for taking good care of his body and keeping up with the cutting edge of PED’s. But does it really make him better at the game of basketball?

No, it does not.

[RRR3]

Wrong. He never played at a GOAT level. And he was not "undeniably" the best player in the league for all those years.
Banned :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

if wilt was 25/26 like lebron he probably would have faired much better

crazy amount of ifs and probablies, interesting

[warriorfan]

crazy amount of ifs and probablies, interesting

but safe to say he would have a way better chance if he (wilt) was in his athletic prime?

that’s not a crazy what if

that’s a no brainer no shit

[Axe]

At minimum, LeBron's been elite since his 2nd season in the league. That's 20 seasons. He played at a GOAT level for at least half those years and was undeniably the best player in the league from 2009-2018. Did you just start watching basketball recently?
:oldlol:

Merry christmas, everyone.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Full Court never fails to embarrass himself every time this colossal moron brings up LeBron :roll:

[Axe]

Full Court never fails to embarrass himself every time this colossal moron brings up LeBron :roll:
:lol

[SATAN]

Full Court never fails to embarrass himself every time this colossal moron brings up LeBron :roll:

:yaohappy:

[HylianNightmare]

Agree. Wilt destroys Lebron.

Wilt is top 3. Lebron is somewhere around 8-10.

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