As good as the current Celtics starting 5 at every spot. Who qualifies?

[Kblaze8855]

To be clear…I’m not asking if they have the goat starting 5. They don’t. But that’s a matter of how good a select few are on each team. I’m asking a different and more difficult question….


Which teams had all 5 of its players as good as a current healthy Celtic starting 5 spot by spot? For example…the bucks a few years ago

Jrue
Dante
Middleton
Giannis
Lopez

Vs

Jrue
White
Jaylen
Tatum
KP

Dante ruins it even if you think the others are even.


Look at the 04 Pistons

Billups
Rip
Prince
Sheed
Ben

Jaylen>Prince
Tatum>Sheed

Ruins it. Though some may argue those two I don’t consider it worth it.

17 warriors?

Nope. Zaza wrecks it.


Is there a team without a matchup that wrecks it?

I know this isn’t the proper way to measure a team and I’m not trying to. I’m just curious.

You could do the same with some teams who have one elite guy it’s hard to equal who would wreck most comparisons. But I’m not saying it unique.

Im just asking for an answer.

Has a team had all 5 spots equal or better than the respective current Celtics?

[Xiao Yao You]

Parish McHale Bird Johnson Ainge 4 HOFers and an all star

[Kblaze8855]

Bibby
Christie
Peja
Webber
Vlade

?

Anyone taking Vlade over KP?

[Kblaze8855]

Parish McHale Bird Johnson Ainge 4 HOFers and an all star


while you and I and a few others respect Danny Ange I feel like we’re about to find out that not many people think he was as good as White.

[Xiao Yao You]

Bibby
Christie
Peja
Webber
Vlade

?

Anyone taking Vlade over KP?

I probably prefer Vlade. Not the defender but more reliable

[Xiao Yao You]

while you and I and a few others respect Danny Ange I feel like we’re about to find out that not many people think he was as good as White.

They can think what they want. One of the great team players. Showed he could have put up big stats but preferred winning

[1987_Lakers]

Mid 80's Celtics instantly came to mind, '02 Kings is a good mention.

'83 Sixers

Moses
Iavaroni
Dr. J
Toney
Cheeks

Pretty great starting 5, if Bobby Jones started instead of Iavaroni it would be the GOAT.

[NBAGOAT]

I can’t think of one off top of my head. Teams have always had role guys fill out a starting lineup and in current nba you’re limited by salary cap. Few teams have a guy making role player money in white play at an all star lvl and paying 4 guys all star lvl money also hard with salary cap.

Might have to go back to those 60s Celtics teams but they likely have a weakness worse than holiday. Tbf a team like kd warriors 83 Sixers is closer if you consider iguodala or Bobby jones the 5th guy even though they come off the bench. Still warriors iguodala or past prime Bobby jones isn’t current jrue holiday

[1987_Lakers]

They can think what they want. One of the great team players. Showed he could have put up big stats but preferred winning

He was like the Kirk Hinrich of his era, without the elite defense. Even though Ainge was a pesky defender himself.

[Kblaze8855]

Yea some of the “death” lineups the warriors could make when they put KD at the 4 would work. That goes for a few teams. Usually ones with good forwards since Tatum at the 4 is usually gonna be a problem.

If you counted 6th men and made your own lineup it would be easier. With actual day to day starters it’s a real thinker.

[ILLsmak]

while you and I and a few others respect Danny Ange I feel like we’re about to find out that not many people think he was as good as White.

I think he was equally good AND white.

KD wars, man. ZZ played 18 mins a game haha. 96 Bulls as well. Harper wasn't great, but he worked in the system, same with Luc. 04 Pistons, too. Big 3 celtis? lol. Perk was legit back then.

I think you are forgetting ceiling. Brown and Tatum aren't 'that level,' like MJ, Pip, or even PP/KG. So taking someone who is a little worse or a non-factor at C or one of the guard spots is not as big of a deal because of the fact that they might have a top 10 all time or two top all time guys, or like with MJ and Pip, both.

Even the Heat when they had Birdman and Ray Ray were pretty tough.

I think Tatum is prol an all nba 1 guy, but like I said you gotta start at the top and go down. They def have no weak points, but having Zaza for 18 min or whoever they throw in with Green at C isn't a weak point because of how ridiculously stacked the rest of their team is. I guess IGGY was that guy.

Edit: I also think you're looking at it too much by individual ability, not how the team fits. For instance, the Cs don't have a PF. lol. Brown is like a SG, too. So you can say Tatum > Sheed, but is that really true? Isn't it a bit closer than you think? Remember when Sheed was on the Cs? haha. That might be the GOAT starting line up (when he started.) But even that 00 Blazer team was pretty nice.

-Smak

[Xiao Yao You]

Mid 80's Celtics instantly came to mind, '02 Kings is a good mention.

'83 Sixers

Moses
Iavaroni
Dr. J
Toney
Cheeks

Pretty great starting 5, if Bobby Jones started instead of Iavaroni it would be the GOAT.

Ivaroni was a joke :facepalm

https://youtu.be/7iWweaxB61k?t=498 :facepalm

[NBAGOAT]

I think he was equally good AND white.

KD wars, man. ZZ played 18 mins a game haha. 96 Bulls as well. Harper wasn't great, but he worked in the system, same with Luc. 04 Pistons, too. Big 3 celtis? lol. Perk was legit back then.

I think you are forgetting ceiling. Brown and Tatum aren't 'that level,' like MJ, Pip, or even PP/KG. So taking someone who is a little worse or a non-factor at C or one of the guard spots is not as big of a deal because of the fact that they might have a top 10 all time or two top all time guys, or like with MJ and Pip, both.

Even the Heat when they had Birdman and Ray Ray were pretty tough.

I think Tatum is prol an all nba 1 guy, but like I said you gotta start at the top and go down. They def have no weak points, but having Zaza for 18 min or whoever they throw in with Green at C isn't a weak point because of how ridiculously stacked the rest of their team is. I guess IGGY was that guy.

-Smak

he didnt forget ceiling of tatum and brown, he's not asking for best starting lineups ever. He's asking which lineups were better across the board. There are none most likely. perk was fine for 08 celtics, he aint on the lvl of jrue holiday lol. There isnt a team in nba history with a 5th guy as good as jrue lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

My memory of Ainge the player barely exists but ignoring the personalities they bring to the court he is a similar type of player to White.

[Kblaze8855]

The ceiling thing is why they aren’t the goat team. In basketball 1-2 elite guys can make up for worse role players. I wouldn’t trade a lot of starting 5s for this one. I might take Penny, Nick, D3, Horace, and Shaq over this team but Horace vs Tatum and Scott vs Jaylen means they don’t qualify for this particular question even if Shaq would give them 74.

[ILLsmak]

he didnt forget ceiling of tatum and brown, he's not asking for best starting lineups ever. He's asking which lineups were better across the board. There are none most likely. perk was fine for 08 celtics, he aint on the lvl of jrue holiday lol. There isnt a team in nba history with a 5th guy as good as jrue lol

Even weirder to cross compare 5 down.

I'd say Prince was as good as Holiday.

Back in the 90s, teams had to start a stiff C even if it wasn't their best 5 and like I said Cs have no PF. A player who plays PF might not be as talented as tatum, but Tatum isn't bringing what an ideal PF would bring. Like dude posted Giannis' team and said someone ruins it, but Giannis would shit all over Tatum, to the point I dunno if they could even hold that match up. Cs line up has a lot of 'talent,' but it's a wonky line up. It's not something that will cross eras either. Porzingis is like a PF, too. You gotta take that stuff into account, how each player will perform AT THEIR POSITION vs their 'positionless ability' because back-when, it actually mattered.

I still say that having to start someone at their proper position limited a lot of teams. Cs starting 2 wings, 2 pgs and one pf haha.

Edit: also my most underrated team of all time: 05 or 06 Heat would be nasty, too.

Imagine how much better the Cs would be if they traded Brown for Bam. Then their team wouldn't be ****ing weird. 2 wing scorers has been a recipe for fail, since forever. To have two 6'8 wing scorers that aren't really great play makers is even weirder. Not that they'd get that trade, but I dunno, lol I have a feeling nobody is gonna understand what I'm saying, but the funkiness of the Cs line up contributes to the fact that they look so amazing 'on paper.' And don't get me wrong they work pretty well. They def are less than the sum of their parts, tho.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

The ceiling thing is why they aren’t the goat team. In basketball 1-2 elite guys can make up for worse role players. I wouldn’t trade a lot of starting 5s for this one. I might take Penny, Nick, D3, Horace, and Shaq over this team but Horace vs Tatum and Scott vs Jaylen means they don’t qualify for this particular question even if Shaq would give them 74.

Yea but when it's just one guy like Iggy for Zaza in the majority of minutes, when it's like yeah White or Jrue is BETTER, but are they really bringing considerably more to the basketball game, considering the wild disparity otherwise? The Cs don't even have a dirty work big. Iggy is a decent swiss army guy. He fits enough.

I'm not saying like Shaq Kobe + bums. I'm saying just one guy who is the 5th best on a team where 4 down dudes are better and fit better, it doesn't seem fair esp considering, as I said the whole 'having to start a center' thing.

-Smak

[Kblaze8855]

Mid 80's Celtics instantly came to mind, '02 Kings is a good mention.

'83 Sixers

Moses
Iavaroni
Dr. J
Toney
Cheeks

Pretty great starting 5, if Bobby Jones started instead of Iavaroni it would be the GOAT.

Barkley started part of 85 with the other 4 but Doc was old.

[NBAGOAT]

Even weirder to cross compare 5 down.

I'd say Prince was as good as Holiday.

Back in the 90s, teams had to start a stiff C even if it wasn't their best 5 and like I said Cs have no PF. A player who plays PF might not be as talented as tatum, but Tatum isn't bringing what an ideal PF would bring. Like dude posted Giannis' team and said someone ruins it, but Giannis would shit all over Tatum, to the point I dunno if they could even hold that match up. Cs line up has a lot of 'talent,' but it's a wonky line up. It's not something that will cross eras either. Porzingis is like a PF, too. You gotta take that stuff into account, how each player will perform AT THEIR POSITION vs their 'positionless ability' because back-when, it actually mattered.

I still say that having to start someone at their proper position limited a lot of teams. Cs starting 2 wings, 2 pgs and one pf haha.

-Smak

prince is not better than jrue however. jrue just has a lot more skill on offense even if he hasnt shown it this year. He looks similar and was all star last year, 2nd best player on a contender. just has a very reduced role. celtics have a modern era lineup true and in the modern era, tatum is exactly what I want from a pf. porzingis is a center in current nba too. this is not a talk about who beats the celtics, this just just a discussion of talent lvl so I dont think the position stuff matters. The celtics say wouldnt matchup well with the shaq magic, that doesnt matter we're not discussing who win a matchup just who has more talent at the bottom of their starting 5. Also weird you say celtics cant hold the matchup vs giannis when they've beat the bucks before.

If you think the center limited things, you can just choose a teams' 5 best players. I did that with 83 sixers and 17 warriors. Longley wouldnt be on the 96 bulls then. It be mj pippen rodman kukoc harper most likely but even with that team, jrue is better than harper. teams in nba history dont have guys coming off an all star appearance still playing at a high lvl as their 5th best player. Only one I can think of on paper was cousins and the 19 warriors but he had the achilles injury

[Kblaze8855]

You back in the day before expansion you never know. The Knicks had like 6 hall of famers or all stars at once. I feel like Frazier, Monroe, Bill Bradley, Dave D, Reed and probably Barnett were stars at the same time.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Even weirder to cross compare 5 down.

I'd say Prince was as good as Holiday.

Back in the 90s, teams had to start a stiff C even if it wasn't their best 5 and like I said Cs have no PF. A player who plays PF might not be as talented as tatum, but Tatum isn't bringing what an ideal PF would bring. Like dude posted Giannis' team and said someone ruins it, but Giannis would shit all over Tatum, to the point I dunno if they could even hold that match up. Cs line up has a lot of 'talent,' but it's a wonky line up. It's not something that will cross eras either. Porzingis is like a PF, too. You gotta take that stuff into account, how each player will perform AT THEIR POSITION vs their 'positionless ability' because back-when, it actually mattered.

I still say that having to start someone at their proper position limited a lot of teams. Cs starting 2 wings, 2 pgs and one pf haha.

-Smak

One of the reasons the Celtic lineup is so hard to deal with is that Tatum can absolutely do everything you want your 4 to do. He's 6'9 or 6'10 and 235. Shawn Kemp was 6'10 and 230 (before he got fat). Tatum averages almost 9 rebounds and if he played as much in the paint as a stereotypical 4 he could average 10. Whenever the Celtics want to he takes wing defenders into the paint and beats them up. The only guy that an opponent would defend him with that is actually stronger than him is Lebron (Giannis would be but so far the Bucks haven't been doing that). If he had to play 4 in the 90s instead of the current smallball era the only guys that would give him problems at pf are guys that gave everyone problems. You aren't going to dominate the game by forcing him to defend a bunch of post plays from your generic 6'9 240 rebounder with 15 ft jumpshot range and that guy wouldn't be able to cover Tatum at all on the other end.

[ILLsmak]

What about 08-10 Denver w/ JR.

Billups v Jrue
JR v White
Melo v Brown
Kmart v Tatum
Nene v KP

You can def say Tatum and KP gonna get more stats, but who wins the actual match up? Kmart might actually be a good cover for Tatum.

-Smak

[Xiao Yao You]

prince is not better than jrue however. jrue just has a lot more skill on offense even if he hasnt shown it this year. He looks similar and was all star last year, 2nd best player on a contender. just has a very reduced role. celtics have a modern era lineup true and in the modern era, tatum is exactly what I want from a pf. porzingis is a center in current nba too. this is not a talk about who beats the celtics, this just just a discussion of talent lvl so I dont think the position stuff matters. The celtics say wouldnt matchup well with the shaq magic, that doesnt matter we're not discussing who win a matchup just who has more talent at the bottom of their starting 5. Also weird you say celtics cant hold the matchup vs giannis when they've beat the bucks before.

If you think the center limited things, you can just choose a teams' 5 best players. I did that with 83 sixers and 17 warriors. Longley wouldnt be on the 96 bulls then. It be mj pippen rodman kukoc harper most likely but even with that team, jrue is better than harper. teams in nba history dont have guys coming off an all star appearance still playing at a high lvl as their 5th best player. Only one I can think of on paper was cousins and the 19 warriors but he had the achilles injury

The Bulls pretty much always played a center as far as I remember. It's one thing to pick 5 guys that actually were on the floor together but a center was actually a part of what the Bulls did

Cousins sucked achilles or no achilles

[SouBeachTalents]

What about 08-10 Denver w/ JR.

Billups v Jrue
JR v White
Melo v Brown
Kmart v Tatum
Nene v KP

You can def say Tatum and KP gonna get more stats, but who wins the actual match up? Kmart might actually be a good cover for Tatum.

-Smak
:roll:

[ILLsmak]

One of the reasons the Celtic lineup is so hard to deal with is that Tatum can absolutely do everything you want your 4 to do. He's 6'9 or 6'10 and 235. Shawn Kemp was 6'10 and 230 (before he got fat). Tatum averages almost 9 rebounds and if he played as much in the paint as a stereotypical 4 he could average 10. Whenever the Celtics want to he takes wing defenders into the paint and beats them up. The only guy that an opponent would defend him with that is actually stronger than him is Lebron (Giannis would be but so far the Bucks haven't been doing that). If he had to play 4 in the 90s instead of the current smallball era the only guys that would give him problems at pf are guys that gave everyone problems. You aren't going to dominate the game by forcing him to defend a bunch of post plays from your generic 6'9 240 rebounder with 15 ft jumpshot range and that guy wouldn't be able to cover Tatum at all on the other end.

I feel you but lots of people can get 9 rebs now. Where as out of KP you get like 7, and that's in this era. That garbage day.

Tatum gettting .9 orebs, he's just grabbing it off missed shots at the other end. I def think he can slot at PF, esp now, but I think he would get ate in other eras. He's not even a Melo like PF who can really mix it up, and back then Melo still wasn't ready to be a full time PF.

Like I said Kmart v Tatum would be a v interesting match up. I'd pay for that.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

prince is not better than jrue however. jrue just has a lot more skill on offense even if he hasnt shown it this year. He looks similar and was all star last year, 2nd best player on a contender. just has a very reduced role. celtics have a modern era lineup true and in the modern era, tatum is exactly what I want from a pf. porzingis is a center in current nba too. this is not a talk about who beats the celtics, this just just a discussion of talent lvl so I dont think the position stuff matters. The celtics say wouldnt matchup well with the shaq magic, that doesnt matter we're not discussing who win a matchup just who has more talent at the bottom of their starting 5. Also weird you say celtics cant hold the matchup vs giannis when they've beat the bucks before.

If you think the center limited things, you can just choose a teams' 5 best players. I did that with 83 sixers and 17 warriors. Longley wouldnt be on the 96 bulls then. It be mj pippen rodman kukoc harper most likely but even with that team, jrue is better than harper. teams in nba history dont have guys coming off an all star appearance still playing at a high lvl as their 5th best player. Only one I can think of on paper was cousins and the 19 warriors but he had the achilles injury

You're focusing too much on 'better' and not what people bring to the team. Like if you are gonna throw up Kukoc (except now they have no C unless you put Rodman??) I think Harper compares favorably with white/holiday in terms of on floor role. There's only so much that can happen at once haha. Harper was pretty ****ing good those years, believe it or not. I was watching. He did his thing. There was a reason he was starting. He just deferred.

Kukoc would def inject a lot more into the bulls. You're also focusing on paper too much imo. They actually have to play. I'm assuming against each other.

You see what I mean? I don't see any place for exploitation. Harper isn't gonna get done. He did his job. Harper and Iggy are very similar imo. Both mad underrated and did some pretty nice things at certain times. I'm saying KD wars and if you wanna put up top 5, prol those bulls, too.

But I'd really prefer to see teams that start a PG, SG, SF, PF, C. PGPGPSG(/SF?)SFPF doesn't hold up as strong in other eras where it's not as spaced and face up, where people are battling more inside.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

You back in the day before expansion you never know. The Knicks had like 6 hall of famers or all stars at once. I feel like Frazier, Monroe, Bill Bradley, Dave D, Reed and probably Barnett were stars at the same time.

I'm blowing up this thread lol. Gonna stop now, but def on paper that's a crazy line up for the Cs, and yea there are others in history, but if you look at on court value brought from each position, I dunno.

I dunno how we are judging them, by who can get 20 and play good D? That is a pretty high bar, but not everyone can get 20 at the same time. Cs have 3 tough match up guys, which is another high bar.

I feel like Jrue has gotten a little overrated. He might not really be a get you 20 reliably guy. He'd be the one I would make beat me out of everyone. Also @ RMWG and Tatums 9 rebs, Jrue getting 6.5 + almost 2x as many orebs.

-Smak

[Real Men Wear Green]

I feel you but lots of people can get 9 rebs now. Where as out of KP you get like 7, and that's in this era. That garbage day.

Tatum gettting .9 orebs, he's just grabbing it off missed shots at the other end. I def think he can slot at PF, esp now, but I think he would get ate in other eras. He's not even a Melo like PF who can really mix it up, and back then Melo still wasn't ready to be a full time PF.

Like I said Kmart v Tatum would be a v interesting match up. I'd pay for that.

-Smak

Defensively Tatum probably plays a thousand times harder than Melo. "he's just grabbing it off missed shots at the other end" is something that that could be said of any rebounder. The bottom line is the Celtics are a good rebounding team (get 4 more than the opponent on average) and Tatum leads that effort. On offense Tatum is normally on the perimeter. You are expecting him to get a lot of offensive rebounds from the three-point line?

[NBAGOAT]

You're focusing too much on 'better' and not what people bring to the team. Like if you are gonna throw up Kukoc (except now they have no C unless you put Rodman??) I think Harper compares favorably with white/holiday in terms of on floor role. There's only so much that can happen at once haha. Harper was pretty ****ing good those years, believe it or not. I was watching. He did his thing. There was a reason he was starting. He just deferred.

Kukoc would def inject a lot more into the bulls. You're also focusing on paper too much imo. They actually have to play. I'm assuming against each other.

You see what I mean? I don't see any place for exploitation. Harper isn't gonna get done. He did his job. Harper and Iggy are very similar imo. Both mad underrated and did some pretty nice things at certain times. I'm saying KD wars and if you wanna put up top 5, prol those bulls, too.

But I'd really prefer to see teams that start a PG, SG, SF, PF, C. PGPGPSG(/SF?)SFPF doesn't hold up as strong in other eras where it's not as spaced and face up, where people are battling more inside.

-Smak

yes i definitely am but that's the nature of this question. Also, on the celtics team they need more from white holiday than the bulls needed from harper, celtocs dont have mj. Both play elite defense space the floor can run the offense etc i dont think there's anything to not like from those 2 and what they bring on the court either. shouldnt those guys get more credit than harper or iguodala since their jobs are harder? and on the court you will be spaced out on defense when you face the celtics even if you dont want to(offensively is a different story ofc). You cant play extreme help defense off any of starters. In that way porzingis was a huge difference maker, he lets them play 5 out constantly even in current league not many centers have the shooting gravity he does.

To add on the celtics have missed 7 games from porzingis and have a bad bench by modern standards yet are on pace for 65 wins and the 7th highest srs of all time behind 71 and 72 bucks, 96 and 97 bulls, 72 lakers and 17 warriors. This is when their best player in tatum has no case for being a top 5 player or being in the mvp race. You go through almost every great team in history they have a mvp lvl guy. Yea their starting lineup actually has a case for being historically great top to bottom if they can finish the season with a title

[highwhey]

who wants to bet $100 the celts don't win the chip this season? they don't have an alpha. i'd take the 07 or 08 suns over them

[Real Men Wear Green]

Who would bet 5 cents that the Suns do win the championship this season?

[highwhey]

Who would bet 5 cents that the Suns do win the championship this season?

did i say they were? we are on a thread about the celtics having possibly one of the best all time starting 5's...don't be sensitive. well, not best of all time but certainly this year's best starting 5

[Real Men Wear Green]

did i say they were? we are on a thread about the celtics having possibly one of the best all time starting 5's...don't be sensitive. well, not best of all time but certainly this year's best starting 5

Seems as though someone can dish a shot but can't take it. Who's being sensitive again? Tsk.

[Kblaze8855]

05 Suns?


Nash
Qrich
Joe Johnson
Marion
Amare



Close.

[Real Men Wear Green]

05 Suns?


Nash
Qrich
Joe Johnson
Marion
Amare



Close.
The talent levels kind of match. Celtics work much better together defensively but this thread isn't about who the better team is, correct?

[Kblaze8855]

Correct. And Qrich ****s it up. Well not ****s it up because he had a good year but people wouldn’t take him over White at the moment.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm sure almost no one puts Tatum and Brown on par with Nash and Stat so it balances

[highwhey]

05 Suns?


Nash
Qrich
Joe Johnson
Marion
Amare



Close.

close? dude you know today's stats are inflated af. nash, as quiet as he was, was a fukken floor general and an alpha. amar'e would boom tatum harder than we've ever seen. marion is a better defender than tatum too. remind me which player on this celtics can shoot it better than nash?

[highwhey]

Seems as though someone can dish a shot but can't take it. Who's being sensitive again? Tsk.

LOL, all i said is, who is willing to bet money that despite being recognized as the best 5, they won't win? no one is taking them serious bc they know they don't have a 'bus driver'.

then you go and get your panties in a bunch, as always, and bring up the suns. i'm past the suns this season, they aren't winning shit. and i'm ok with that.

[warriorfan]

highwhey getting lonely again

:lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

close? dude you know today's stats are inflated af. nash, as quiet as he was, was a fukken floor general and an alpha. amar'e would boom tatum harder than we've ever seen. marion is a better defender than tatum too. remind me which player on this celtics can shoot it better than nash?

5 of the 6 best defenders on the floor would be Celtics. As"alpha" as Nash is Tatum and Brown have already experienced far more playoff success than the Nash. Not sure who is the better defender between nation and Tatum but completely sure who is the far appetite defensive team. STAT being able to dunk over Tatum is completely irrelevant. He wouldn't be guarding him. Nash would be the best shooter on the floor but every Celtic can shoot and there's no Celtic that he can defend. Not really sweating any of that.

[highwhey]

5 of the 6 best defenders on the floor would be Celtics. As"alpha" as Nash is Tatum and Brown have already experienced far more playoff success than the Nash. Not sure who is the better defender between nation and Tatum but completely sure who is the far appetite defensive team. STAT being able to dunk over Tatum is completely irrelevant. He wouldn't be guarding him. Nash would be the best shooter on the floor but every Celtic can shoot and there's no Celtic that he can defend. Not really sweating any of that.

in the east, where like 3 teams are contenders....

/endthread

[Real Men Wear Green]

LOL, all i said is, who is willing to bet money that despite being recognized as the best 5, they won't win? no one is taking them serious bc they know they don't have a 'bus driver'.. Just because you write something really stupid doesn't mean that it isn't really stupid.

[Real Men Wear Green]

in the east, where like 3 teams are contenders....

/endthread

4 conference finals and one NBA Finals vs...hmm. Not so alpha.

[elementally morale]

Magic
Byron Scott
A.C. Green
James Worthy
Kareem

1986

Maybe 1985 with Kurt Rambis.

[NBAGOAT]

Magic
Byron Scott
A.C. Green
James Worthy
Kareem

1986

Maybe 1985 with Kurt Rambis.

AC green vs jaylen kills it again, these all time great teams always have a 5th starter not at that lvl

[tpols]

2019 Raptors deserve a shout out.

Kyle Lowry
Danny Green
Kawhi
Siakam
Ibaka
Marc Gasol

[Duffy Pratt]

You back in the day before expansion you never know. The Knicks had like 6 hall of famers or all stars at once. I feel like Frazier, Monroe, Bill Bradley, Dave D, Reed and probably Barnett were stars at the same time.

You are forgetting Jerry Lucas, who was still excellent at that point but was coming off the bench. The most obvious answers to this are the 73 Knicks, the Mid-eighties Celtics, and maybe the 77 Sixers.

[ILLsmak]

Still thinkin about this, and it's tough because if you compare each guy only vs their position, I can't think of anybody. There are a few reasons for this. I still think that's kinda a weird way to do things because like I said it's not the way it works. You can name other teams with 4 guys who are better. Big 3 teams are probably better if they have legit role players. Was thinking, wasn't there a year when even the Hawks had 4 all stars? They weren't even that good iirc. It's that 5th guy that ****s it all up, tho, that and Tatum being a 'superstar,' or as close as you can get. All NBA 1 like I said. That's superstar to me.

Bball has changed tho. I think the performance of the Boston 5 would dip in some eras vs some 5s. In terms of raw names or like perceived impact on another team, all put together, yeah they have a lot of dudes, but there is an overlap and I think that's why Boston isn't like a Dynasty level team. But we shall see about that. I can't hate them getting a ring. They've come close a bunch of times. But it seems like a cycle, due to their flaws. They are def playing great right now. I hope they at least stay healthy (nokonex) so we can see if they really would lose.

Weird ass question tho, but it's def stumped me. I def know I could post teams that would prol beat them tho.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

AC green vs jaylen kills it again, these all time great teams always have a 5th starter not at that lvl

yea lol


2019 Raptors deserve a shout out.

Kyle Lowry
Danny Green
Kawhi
Siakam
Ibaka
Marc Gasol

see and I think that team would perform well vs Boston. 6 on 5 is always a good bet. loool. Nah just ****in' with you. It really is a good matchup, no matter which one you choose. Invert Kawhi and Siakam (at least how he was playing then) and that's almost as close as you are gonna get.

-Smak

[highwhey]

4 conference finals and one NBA Finals vs...hmm. Not so alpha.

IN THE EAST :lol it's not even arguable that the west has been a bloodbath for a while, the east only has 3-4 serious teams at a time and quite honestly, they're all chokers.

and we all know the Suns would have won in 07 if it weren't for the officials doing their bs suspension.

[Real Men Wear Green]

IN THE EAST :lol it's not even arguable that the west has been a bloodbath for a while, the east only has 3-4 serious teams at a time and quite honestly, they're all chokers.

and we all know the Suns would have won in 07 if it weren't for the officials doing their bs suspension.
You want to act like Nash is "alpha" over Tatum because of what he can do in the playoffs you should have something better to show for it than an excuse for failure. Nash has been outplayed in a playoff series by Mike Bibby. Nash Suns are the blood in that bloodbath. If you want to talk about being alpha for playoffs success he should be a champion like Steph or Kobe. Nash didn't get it done like that. The end.

[highwhey]

You want to act like Nash is "alpha" over Tatum because of what he can do in the playoffs you should have something better to show for it than an excuse for failure. Nash has been outplayed in a playoff series by Mike Bibby. Nash Suns are the blood in that bloodbath. If you want to talk about being alpha for playoffs success he should be a champion like Steph or Kobe. Nash didn't get it done like that. The end.

I would 100% count on Nash's leadership over Tatum if all my net worth was on the line, barring injuries. Tatum's career highlight is booming Bron.

I'll let you digest that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I would 100% count on Nash's leadership over Tatum if all my net worth was on the line, barring injuries. Tatum's career highlight is booming Bron.

I'll let you digest that.

Tatum has the NBA records for most points in a Game 7 and most points in a play-in game so you have no idea what you're talking about. But yeah the dunk on James was cool.

If you intend to use the word "alpha" in the future here's a tip for you: there are few things less"alpha" than making an excuse.

[highwhey]

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[highwhey]

Tatum has the NBA records for most points in a Game 7 and most points in a play-in game so you have no idea what you're talking about. But yeah the dunk on James was cool.

If you intend to use the word "alpha" in the future here's a tip for you: there are few things less"alpha" than making an excuse.

is that the series where he scored 7pts in game 2 then after that series scored 14pts twice in the ECF? that's you're alpha?

[Real Men Wear Green]

is that the series where he scored 7pts in game 2 then after that series scored 14pts twice in the ECF? that's you're alpha?
I didn't say he was perfect. But guess what? Your guy isn't either. Nash vs. Spurs in 2003 had 3 games 14 points or less including one 6 point evening. If you want to make me laugh feel free to complain that it was early in his career.

"Alpha" means dominance. No championships, not even a Finals appearance? Not dominant.

[highwhey]

I didn't say he was perfect. But guess what? Your guy isn't either. Nash vs. Spurs in 2003 had 3 games 14 points or less including one 6 point evening. If you want to make me laugh feel free to complain that it was early in his career.

"Alpha" means dominance. No championships, not even a Finals appearance? Not dominant.

let's do a ban bet then, if your celts don't win it, blaze bans you. if they do, blaze still bans you.

[iamgine]

Well first you need to find a top notch combo of PF/C like Tatum/Porzingis. That already eliminate so many teams. Today only Bron/AD would qualify. But the rest of Lakers team are just inferior.

Then the problem is to find a third banana SG as good as Derrick White. Not easy at all. Today there's only maybe Harden or PG, whoever you consider is third banana that's around that level.

I don't consider Jaylen and Jrue that good at all. They're solid role players. Although that in itself is not really that easy to find.