Grizzlies destroy stacked healthy Suns without Morant, in Phoenix

[ArbitraryWater]

:o

[Kblaze8855]

Not sure when the last time was that I would call a Durant team healthy. They have all been stacked for about 10 years but healthy? Everyone might suit up which I’m sure is what you meant but that guy seems to carry bad luck with him.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Suns aren't stacked. They have three big time scorers but with the restrictions on defense having big time scorers isn't as important as it used to be. How often does your favorite team go a week without scoring 120 points? We should reevaluate what's important. In the modern era what makes a team elite is the ability to defend. You have to have multiple good players that can switch defensively and space the floor on offense. Right now there are 42 players that average 20+ points. The Lakers have two legit Allstars and are still hovering around .500.

[ArbitraryWater]

Suns aren't stacked. They have three big time scorers but with the restrictions on defense having big time scorers isn't as important as it used to be. How often does your favorite team go a week without scoring 120 points? We should reevaluate what's important. In the modern era what makes a team elite is the ability to defend. You have to have multiple good players that can switch defensively and space the floor on offense. Right now there are 42 players that average 20+ points. The Lakers have two legit Allstars and are still hovering around .500.


Durant/Booker/Beal/Nurkic isnt stacked?


Thats insane :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

Durant/Booker/Beal/Nurkic isnt stacked?


Thats insane :oldlol:

The definitions are kind of changing. With the cap, jumping up so much every year the only restriction keeping you from adding two or three guys is finding people who want to play together. The number of people it’s hard to deny are stars, if only due to the production afforded them by the high pace and rules Has us back to the 80s look where a lot of teams have 2…3…or even four players, who production wise matches what a different era would call a star.

The 80s reached this point because they reached roughly modern levels of talent with considerably less teams, and combined it with a high pace. These days? You have the talent and a high pace and rules to help. There are more people on a traditional star level of production than there are teams to hold them, so the aggressive teams end up with a bunch of of them.

We probably need to rethink our use of the word.

Does it better suit the clippers with three prominent Hall of Famers and talented support or teams like the Celtics who have one but then really good players pretty much top to bottom?


when the hornets third leading scorer scores as much as prime Jermaine O’Neal 20 years ago, how many teams are stacked with traditional ways of thinking?

We’re gonna make it simple and count people who have made All-Star teams? Would that mean Jamal Murray doesn’t contribute to a lineup being stacked or not?

It’s getting harder to say.

[coin24]

Beal was bricking layups..

They need a bench for starters and a half decent pg

[Wally450]

:oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Durant/Booker/Beal/Nurkic isnt stacked?


Thats insane :oldlol:

Where's the unfair advantage when at least 10 teams have just as many if not more top 50 scorers? When most teams have more two way players and good defenders? There are a lot of scorers these days, you just haven't noticed the change in the game.

[Hey Yo]

Durant/Booker/Beal/Nurkic isnt stacked?


Thats insane :oldlol:

Grayson Allen also shootin' over 47% from 3

[Real Men Wear Green]

Grayson Allen also shootin' over 47% from 3

Grayson Allen averages 13.6 points.

[FultzNationRISE]

No Ja No Problem?

[dankok8]

Durant/Booker/Beal/Nurkic isnt stacked?


Thats insane :oldlol:

Stacked on offense for sure. Defense? :lol

[highwhey]

Grayson Allen averages 13.6 points.

he's been lighting it up, made like 9 threes the previous game. his hustle on defense is unmatched, told you he has that dawg in him, everyone else in that team is sorry as a sack of shit tho.

i can't think of too many other teams with lesser chemistry than the suns. if they had any semblance of being cohesive, they might be a middle ranked seed right now, but they play like a pickup game as if they just all met each other. i've seen better chemistry at the local LA Fitness gym.

[Real Men Wear Green]

he's been lighting it up, made like 9 threes the previous game. his hustle on defense is unmatched, told you he has that dawg in him, everyone else in that team is sorry as a sack of shit tho.

And in spite of that 9 threes point game...he averages 13.6 points. He is an average starter. A roleplayer. All that dog apparently couldn't beat Memphis.

[Hey Yo]

Grayson Allen averages 13.6 points.

Pretty good for 4th option in that starting lineup.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Pretty good for 4th option in that starting lineup.

"4th option" doesn't mean anything. He spaces the floor, his his shots and isn't Immokalee defensively. He belongs on a team. That doesn't make the team he plays for stacked. The fact that they are badly lacking when it comes to defenders and depth isn't made up for because one of their roleplayers is solid.

[ArbitraryWater]

"4th option" doesn't mean anything. He spaces the floor, his his shots and isn't Immokalee defensively. He belongs on a team. That doesn't make the team he plays for stacked. The fact that they are badly lacking when it comes to defenders and depth isn't made up for because one of their roleplayers is solid.

What do you mean?

[tpols]

Even though Ja didn't play in this game they've had a winning record since he came back after starting 6-19.

Marcus Smart coming back is huge as well. He's a winning player.

[tpols]

"4th option" doesn't mean anything. He spaces the floor, his his shots and isn't Immokalee defensively. He belongs on a team. That doesn't make the team he plays for stacked. The fact that they are badly lacking when it comes to defenders and depth isn't made up for because one of their roleplayers is solid.

Tell Booker, Beal, and Durant to start playing defense then. Grayson Allen is the only one who even tries on that end and he's a white boy. :lol

[Hey Yo]

Since when did defense become this big factor when determining a superteam or not? Offense has always been the biggest factor and with defense a distant second.

Nobody was pointing to Miami’s lack of defense in the 2014 finals. It's all about 'look at the names on the back of the jersey and their scoring'

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tell Booker, Beal, and Durant to start playing defense then. Grayson Allen is the only one who even tries on that end and he's a white boy. :lol

The discussion is about whether or not the team is stacked not your dumb racial issues.

[ArbitraryWater]

Since when did defense become this big factor when determining a superteam or not? Offense has always been the biggest factor and with defense a distant second.

Nobody was pointing to Miami’s lack of defense in the 2014 finals. It's all about 'look at the names on the back of the jersey and their scoring'


Trying to deflect from the Suns being one of the biggest superteams ever.


Now having a 15 ppg capable shot creator 4th option doesnt mean anything anymore lol

[tpols]

They are stacked talent wise. This is like their 5th game all playing together though and they dont play defense. Thats a hustle issue not a knock on their talent.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Since when did defense become this big factor when determining a superteam or not? Offense has always been the biggest factor and with defense a distant second.

Nobody was pointing to Miami’s lack of defense in the 2014 finals. It's all about 'look at the names on the back of the jersey and their scoring'

Do you have a basic understanding of basketball? I don't think I should explain why having a good defense is important to winning.

[warriorfan]

lmao the suns are stacked they just have shitty fit and a lot of chokers

mentally it’s a very weak team

[FultzNationRISE]

he's been lighting it up, made like 9 threes the previous game. his hustle on defense is unmatched, told you he has that dawg in him, everyone else in that team is sorry as a sack of shit tho.

i can't think of too many other teams with lesser chemistry than the suns. if they had any semblance of being cohesive, they might be a middle ranked seed right now, but they play like a pickup game as if they just all met each other. i've seen better chemistry at the local LA Fitness gym.

This is a KD tendency. Looks like he’s playing at the gym. Not a lot of energy, not a lot of inspiration, even when hes getting his points.

He’s ideal as a second fiddle to a leader. I dont mean Booker getting more points so that KD is technically the second option. BookerÂ’s not really gonna tell KD “Hey, lets pick it up. Hey, get to this spot and Im gonna find you. Go over here. Get that man over there.”

KD needs a vet whoÂ’s gonna run things and motivate him, not just give him the ball and tell him to decide what to do, but actually make the plays and have KD finish them as the Warriors did. Unfortunate for the Suns CP was past it by the time KD got there. Durant does not want to be the leader. But his teams tend to put the ball in his hands because hes the most talented scorer. It often results in uninspiring play even if Durant gets his 30. Booker has that fire and can be a leader but Im sure feels awkward bossing Kevin Durant, a star player older and more accomplished.

But he has to. Hes gotta take control, get in KD’s face and get him pumped up. Waiting for him to take charge is not the move.

[Kblaze8855]

Trying to deflect from the Suns being one of the biggest superteams ever.


Now having a 15 ppg capable shot creator 4th option doesnt mean anything anymore lol


Talent wise they are the third most super team Durant has been on in 5 years. How would they then be one of the biggest superteams ever? How far do you stretch that definition?

[ArbitraryWater]

Talent wise they are the third most super team Durant has been on in 5 years. How would they then be one of the biggest superteams ever? How far do you stretch that definition?

3 25+ ppg scorers in their prime is definitely a top 5 most stacked team ever.

Cause its not like their help is bad: Gordon, Allen, Nurkic..

The fact that KD has had 2 other teams of that kind is crazy but doesnt make it a stretch.

[Real Men Wear Green]

3 25+ ppg scorers in their prime is definitely a top 5 most stacked team ever.

Cause its not like their help is bad: Gordon, Allen, Nurkic..

The fact that KD has had 2 other teams of that kind is crazy but doesnt make it a stretch.

They can't score 25 together. Beal might not even average 20. Meanwhile they lack Deven beers and depth.

[ArbitraryWater]

They can't score 25 together. Beal might not even average 20. Meanwhile they lack Deven beers and depth.

Thats not the point. 10 30+ ppg scorers on a team would all score around 20, that doesnt make them less stacked.

They have 3 players capable of being 25+ scorers. 2 will and the other only wont cause hes still getting into rhythm. Beal probably will taking the last 20 games.

Their defense and depth isnt unlike anything teams have seen before.

[tpols]

They can't score 25 together. Beal might not even average 20. Meanwhile they lack Deven beers and depth.


They lacked Deven beers?

How many have you had this morning?

[warriorfan]

They lacked Deven beers?

How many have you had this morning?

:roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Thats not the point. 10 30+ ppg scorers on a team would all score around 20, that doesnt make them less stacked.

They have 3 players capable of being 25+ scorers. 2 will and the other only wont cause hes still getting into rhythm. Beal probably will taking the last 20 games.

Their defense and depth isnt unlike anything teams have seen before.

The average team scores 115.5 points. The average player averages over 10 points. You act like offense is the only measure of this (wrong). If the Suns are so stacked why is their offense only 11th? Do you agree with those impressed by Allen averaging 13.6? Because Boston's 4th highest score averages 16. Phoenix is not a stacked team.

[warriorfan]

The average team scores 115.5 points. The average player averages over 10 points. You act like offense is the only measure of this (wrong). If the Suns are so stacked why is their offense only 11th? Do you agree with those impressed by Allen averaging 13.6? Because Boston's 4th highest score averages 16. Phoenix is not a stacked team.

hasn’t beal been injured the whole year?

[Real Men Wear Green]

hasn’t beal been injured the whole year?
A stacked team can handle the absence of one player. If they can't they aren't stacked.

[warriorfan]

A stacked team can handle the absence of one player. If they can't they aren't stacked.

well citing the teams offensive stats and using that as a qualification that they aren’t stacked while disregarding them missing their third best player for most of the season……

it’s either flawed analysis or intellectual dishonesty

[Kblaze8855]

3 25+ ppg scorers in their prime is definitely a top 5 most stacked team ever.

Cause its not like their help is bad: Gordon, Allen, Nurkic..

The fact that KD has had 2 other teams of that kind is crazy but doesnt make it a stretch.

It’s not top 2 for him. This wouldn’t even be the most talented team Dirk ever had. Dirk and Nash won the next 3 mvps right after they had a team with 3 additional all stars. Dirk and KD are similar level. Booker is Nice but no more so than prime Nash. Beal and Nurcic vs Finley, Jamison, and Walker? Talent wise?

They had 5 all stars at once at least 4 in their primes.

And they aren’t near the most stacked ever either.

Lebron in his prime was at least current KD. Wade was better than Booker. Bosh and Beal same level or some would lean Bosh. The statistical difference in support might well be made up by pace.

And we aren’t even going into the days you had teams like the Lakers with 4 starting hall of famers and 2 off the bench(and a DPOY on the side)with the oldest of the 6 actually being the best player(Kareem in his early 30s).

And they had all that….and lost to a team that might have been even better.

and those blazer teams that couldn’t even find minutes for Jermaine O’Neill? The king teams that had Gerald Wallace and Hedo not getting minutes? The Blazers Drazen Petrovic couldn’t get minutes on? The Celtics with 4 starting hall of famers and a 5th all star? The ones that were themselves not even the most talented Celtic teams ever? Bookers youth makes their top four younger, but does that really mean it’s a better top four than KG Pierce Ray Allen and Rondo at the same time?

having 3 previous 25 a game scorers is certainly nothing to laugh at but considering the way the league is going it also means less than it ever has. Or at least the least it’s meant since the 60s.

Long story short the league has had a lot of great lineups.

I’m not sure how talent wise this team is more stacked than the 2015 Cavaliers. Is it more talented than Nash, Amare, Marion, and Joe Johnson?

[FultzNationRISE]

They lacked Deven beers?

How many have you had this morning?


I am adopting Devin Beers as my pseudonym right now.

[Real Men Wear Green]

well citing the teams offensive stats and using that as a qualification that they aren’t stacked while disregarding them missing their third best player for most of the season……

it’s either flawed analysis or intellectual dishonesty

So a "stacked" team team putting up the 11th best offensivenumbers because they haven't had their third best player is ok? And that's ignoring that this"stacked" team lacks depth and doesn't defend. Thats not intellectual dishonesty because it's not intelligent at all.

When KD joined the Warriors, that was a stacked team. What the Suns have is a team that should compete when healthy but that has shown they can't afford to lose anyone. Durant's Warrior team could give Durant the night off and still beat you by 20.

[warriorfan]

So a "stacked" team team putting up the 11th best offensivenumbers because they haven't had their third best player is ok? And that's ignoring that this"stacked" team lacks depth and doesn't defend. Thats not intellectual dishonesty because it's not intelligent at all.

When KD joined the Warriors, that was a stacked team. What the Suns have is a team that should compete when healthy but that has shown they can't afford to lose anyone. Durant's Warrior team could give Durant the night off and still beat you by 20.

ok if you want to split hairs and say they aren’t stacked because the best team of all time is better….fine

if it’s gonna turn into semantics i’m out of this conversation

knock yourselves out guys

[Kblaze8855]

ok if you want to split hairs and say they aren’t stacked because the best team of all time is better….fine

if it’s gonna turn into semantics i’m out of this conversation

knock yourselves out guys

The term kind of forces comparison. You can only be stacked relative to someone else. They’re definitely stacked relative to untalented lineups. Those are standards we using? When you get into them supposedly being one of the most stacked teams of all time, you kind of have to consider the other stacked teams in all time don’t you?

A few post up it does flatly say they are one of the five most stacked teams of all time. Isn’t the obvious response to that to point out that there are more than five more talented teams all time?

If the point is just that they have a talented team, I don’t think anybody would disagree. But people don’t tend to want to leave it at that. I suppose we have to leave room for hyperbole for entertainment purposes, but people on here like to do that and then defend it like it’s literally true.

you can’t say something like that to me, who is already a weirdo about such things without my gears starting to turn, as I work out the validity of what you said.

[ArbitraryWater]

It’s not top 2 for him. This wouldn’t even be the most talented team Dirk ever had. Dirk and Nash won the next 3 mvps right after they had a team with 3 additional all stars. Dirk and KD are similar level. Booker is Nice but no more so than prime Nash. Beal and Nurcic vs Finley, Jamison, and Walker? Talent wise?

They had 5 all stars at once at least 4 in their primes.

And they aren’t near the most stacked ever either.

Lebron in his prime was at least current KD. Wade was better than Booker. Bosh and Beal same level or some would lean Bosh. The statistical difference in support might well be made up by pace.

And we aren’t even going into the days you had teams like the Lakers with 4 starting hall of famers and 2 off the bench(and a DPOY on the side)with the oldest of the 6 actually being the best player(Kareem in his early 30s).

And they had all that….and lost to a team that might have been even better.

and those blazer teams that couldn’t even find minutes for Jermaine O’Neill? The king teams that had Gerald Wallace and Hedo not getting minutes? The Blazers Drazen Petrovic couldn’t get minutes on? The Celtics with 4 starting hall of famers and a 5th all star? The ones that were themselves not even the most talented Celtic teams ever? Bookers youth makes their top four younger, but does that really mean it’s a better top four than KG Pierce Ray Allen and Rondo at the same time?

having 3 previous 25 a game scorers is certainly nothing to laugh at but considering the way the league is going it also means less than it ever has. Or at least the least it’s meant since the 60s.

Long story short the league has had a lot of great lineups.

I’m not sure how talent wise this team is more stacked than the 2015 Cavaliers. Is it more talented than Nash, Amare, Marion, and Joe Johnson?


The big brain fart is just equaling 2023 / 2023 Booker to 2004 Nash, lol.

Bosh is not on the same level as Beal.

Your = are just not adding up here.


Its nost just "previous", all these could average 25 right now, its just not happening yet cause Beal is still getting back in the groove.

[Kblaze8855]

For now I’m just gonna bypass the discussion on Nash vs Booker and whatever it is you think Steve Nash learned in the three months between being on the Mavericks and the suns.

I’ll just say if a lot of these lineups in question were routinely playing teams that would give up 130 or 140 with nobody batting an eye a lot of them would have been capable of three guys putting up 75 together. Not that that’s a measure of being stacked either. Teams have had 4-5 hall of famers and nobody did 25. You eventually step on each others feet minus an absurd pace to make up for it.

[tontoz]

The big brain fart is just equaling 2023 / 2023 Booker to 2004 Nash, lol.

Bosh is not on the same level as Beal.

Your = are just not adding up here.


Its nost just "previous", all these could average 25 right now, its just not happening yet cause Beal is still getting back in the groove.


Huh? Are you really trying to say that Beal has been better than Bosh? I can only assume that i am misreading this.

[Kblaze8855]

Im just wondering how many levels he thinks we even need to designate to keep Bosh and Beal off at least similar ones. What we talking about? Being top 12-15 vs top 15-20 in their respective primes? For one agenda or another you may go lower or higher on either but it’s not gonna be like….3 tiers apart.

[ShawkFactory]

The big brain fart is just equaling 2023 / 2023 Booker to 2004 Nash, lol.

Bosh is not on the same level as Beal.

Your = are just not adding up here.


Its nost just "previous", all these could average 25 right now, its just not happening yet cause Beal is still getting back in the groove.

All 3 wouldn't average 25 a game if they all played. They only way that could happen is if 1-2 of them at a time boosted their averages while the others were out.

3 teammates legit scoring 25 a game isn't feasible. Maybe not even possible. I think the closest a team has come to ever doing that is the 1991 Warriors with Mullen/Richmond/Hardaway going 26/24/23 and 2017 Warriors with KD/Curry/Klay going 25/25/22.

[Kblaze8855]

I’d say it’s definitely possible. Let’s see if the Pacers end up signaling a widespread jump in pace or if they are an outlier. They are proving there is still room to rise. We didn’t think there was anywhere to go from the 7 seconds or less suns and compared to now they were conservative.

[highwhey]

This is a KD tendency. Looks like he’s playing at the gym. Not a lot of energy, not a lot of inspiration, even when hes getting his points.

He’s ideal as a second fiddle to a leader. I dont mean Booker getting more points so that KD is technically the second option. BookerÂ’s not really gonna tell KD “Hey, lets pick it up. Hey, get to this spot and Im gonna find you. Go over here. Get that man over there.”

KD needs a vet whoÂ’s gonna run things and motivate him, not just give him the ball and tell him to decide what to do, but actually make the plays and have KD finish them as the Warriors did. Unfortunate for the Suns CP was past it by the time KD got there. Durant does not want to be the leader. But his teams tend to put the ball in his hands because hes the most talented scorer. It often results in uninspiring play even if Durant gets his 30. Booker has that fire and can be a leader but Im sure feels awkward bossing Kevin Durant, a star player older and more accomplished.

But he has to. Hes gotta take control, get in KD’s face and get him pumped up. Waiting for him to take charge is not the move.

yeah thats why chuck said the whole bit about bus driver. booker is vocal but he's also very emotionally immature and tends to zone out when he's not playing well. but yeah, as much as i've seen booker coaching other teammates, i can't say i've ever seen him tell KD what to do. CP3 was really good at that and it's why his teams don't lack cohesion when he's the leader.

despite the chaotic play, grayson allen is still going out there and balling and has carried the team to several wins this season. hope he gets a fat contract one day, deserves it.

[highwhey]

everyday i wake up and wonder how good we would be if james idiot jones hadn't passed on Haliburton for a twig of a power forward that no other team had on their board for potential lottery picks :(

[tontoz]

everyday i wake up and wonder how good we would be if james idiot jones hadn't passed on Haliburton for a twig of a power forward that no other team had on their board for potential lottery picks :(


We actually told Haliburton that we would draft him, then drafted someone else. :cry:

We badly needed a pg and the draft gurus i know among Wiz fans said at the time he was clearly the best pick.

[highwhey]

We actually told Haliburton that we would draft him, then drafted someone else. :cry:

We badly needed a pg and the draft gurus i know among Wiz fans said at the time he was clearly the best pick.

he's likely the best pure PG in the game rn. can't believe he was passed on by these teams, hindsight is always 20.20 but still :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

At least you both aren’t Minnesota fans who needed a point guard so bad they drafted two of them right before Steph Curry.

[highwhey]

At least you both aren’t Minnesota fans who needed a point guard so bad they drafted two of them right before Steph Curry.

well, we also missed on Luka.

would likely have a title by now with Luka and another finals trip with Hali.

these are such obvious picks to miss out on that you should pack up your bags and leave your job if you have any semblance of shame.

[Kblaze8855]

I remember being so sure the suns were going to take Luka because they had his international coach. Or am I remembering that wrong? Was he still there when they drafted? I just remember some talk about that and thinking it seemed an easy decision because of it. Or at least the likely one. But now that I’m writing it I’m not sure it happened at all.

[tontoz]

At least you both aren’t Minnesota fans who needed a point guard so bad they drafted two of them right before Steph Curry.

One of those Minny picks was ours :facepalm We traded the pick for Mike Miller and Randy Foye, both of whom were on expiring deals and walked.

Word was that Steph actually wanted to come to DC.

[highwhey]

I remember being so sure the suns were going to take Luka because they had his international coach. Or am I remembering that wrong? Was he still there when they drafted? I just remember some talk about that and thinking it seemed an easy decision because of it. Or at least the likely one. But now that I’m writing it I’m not sure it happened at all.

yes, they had igor at the time. and it made sense to pick Luka. but the suns are always going to do suns things.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Hard being a Suns fan right now. Watching them in the 4th quarter was miserable

[Axe]

No Ja No Problem?
This.

[Axe]

Even though Ja didn't play in this game they've had a winning record since he came back after starting 6-19.

Marcus Smart coming back is huge as well. He's a winning player.
No matter how hard you're trying to slurp on him, he hasn't done anything significant in the playoffs whatsoever.

[Kblaze8855]

No matter how hard you're trying to slurp on him, he hasn't done anything significant in the playoffs whatsoever.

that has to be the most useless, generic criticism in all of sports. The number of people you can’t say that about at this point of their career isn’t zero but it’s pretty damn close to zero. You might as well say “He’s young”. Is it any kind of basketball observation at all?

[Axe]

I mean he hasn't even reached the conference finals yet when guys like luka already did. Lmao.

Maybe he can one day but his atheticism for a guy his size or whatever stupid controversial stuff that could attract the league might finally take a toll on him before he even does so.

[tontoz]

that has to be the most useless, generic criticism in all of sports. The number of people you can’t say that about at this point of their career isn’t zero but it’s pretty damn close to zero. You might as well say “He’s young”. Is it any kind of basketball observation at all?


You have to remember who you are talking to. He isn't exactly a beacon of insight.

[Axe]

Boiling. :sleeping

[tontoz]

Boiling. :sleeping

Who exactly is boiling? I am certainly not a Morant stan, or a fan really. His wannabe thug routine didnt score any points with me. . I don't care about Memphis at all.

[Axe]

Okay. Don't try to derail this thread then, uncle. Thanks.

[Kblaze8855]

I mean he hasn't even reached the conference finals yet when guys like luka already did. Lmao.

Maybe he can one day but his atheticism for a guy his size or whatever stupid controversial stuff that could attract the league might finally take a toll on him before he even does so.

“Even”? As if that’s some kinda expectation for a 24 year old?

Much much much better players than Ja Morant have gone a lot longer both in age and years in the league. It will be a while before it’s even worth talking about.

[Axe]

“Even”? As if that’s some kinda expectation for a 24 year old?

Much much much better players than Ja Morant have gone a lot longer both in age and years in the league. It will be a while before it’s even worth talking about.
I say it considering his cocky personality/nature. Don't get me wrong, he is talented. But he really needs to become humble. I can't help but remember him as a rookie trying to mock the lakers during the 2020 disney bubble, that they should worry about the possibility of facing them in the first round bt. A few years have passed and they lost to the very same team in the first round, despite the grizzlies being the 2nd seed and the lakers a play-in one that time.

[Kblaze8855]

Humble like who? How many people on a hall of fame track would you call genuinely humble? Some don’t talk much but they carry themselves like they have extreme confidence. Hell I’m not humble and I don’t have a $200 million contract. You’re also a bit of an asshole. Definitely not humble. Why should he be something most people working a regular 9-5 or just sitting on the internet chilling aren’t?

Hes young rich and talented. Old poor fat people are rarely genuinely humble.

Would you suddenly turn meek if you could run like the wind, jump over giants, and had carloads of tens following you around the country begging to have your kids?

I feel humility is more than we can rationally ask of people like him when so few of us have it ourselves with far less tangible affirmation that it’s justified.

[Axe]

Well, tbh not much really. But his premature cockiness is truly irritating when he hasn't achieved yet so much to back it up. I guess that's why comical slumps have happened to him before, like his team getting a good record without him in 21/22 and receiving suspension for the thug stuff he did in social media last year. Who knows what could be next...

[tpols]

No matter how hard you're trying to slurp on him, he hasn't done anything significant in the playoffs whatsoever.


Axe I'm down to fight in the parking lot right now bro. You can even bring your ladyboy girlfriend Lebron23 for a 2v1. Thurston don't play that shit bro. Nah mean?

[Axe]

Axe I'm down to fight in the parking lot right now bro. You can even bring your ladyboy girlfriend Lebron23 for a 2v1. Thurston don't play that shit bro. Nah mean?
:roll:

Just forget everything i said then amigo.

[Kblaze8855]

Contrary to what the internet says players are as good as they are. Their greatness doesn’t equal how bad you can make their teammates look. I can see why it would get confusing in a culture where many players biggest haters are the fans of their star teammates. That doesn’t make it valid though. It isnt a personal slump for your team to win some games when you get hurt. If anything, it’s a positive because it increases your chance of getting to the playoffs. Not everything in real life is about how Internet arguments can manipulate them.

And he’s accomplished plenty. He’s a 24-year-old All-Star on a super max contract, who is one of the most exciting and popular young players in the league.

The shit you’re talking about he can do and have the entire sports World not Care 10 minutes later. Trae Young can show you that. All the criticism based on what particular round somebody got eliminated in are always disingenuous because the people who make them never stop when the milestone is reached. That’s because it’s the laziest form of hate. Don’t have to put a second of thought into it. Just figure out what they’ve done and say they haven’t done the next thing.

And if they do it, theres still a next thing they haven’t done. and you can look at Giannis right now and see even if you do the people who hate on you are just going to say you haven’t done it again. And you can look at LeBron and Kobe and see you can do it four or five times and they will tell you somebody else still did it more. And you can look at Bill Russell and see even if you did it more than anyone else people are just going to manufacture a reason your doing it doesn’t count.

None of this shit really matters. You’re carving out a role as a Ja Morant hater and in all likelihood you’re going to be one no matter what he does, because that’s what people do.

[Axe]

Eh maybe. I won't deny it if you think i'm a bitter hater. Perhaps i just find his cockiness to be a major turn-off, especially whenever he shows it with his flashy dunks on the court. If he isn't this loud, then i suppose i wouldn't attempt to disparage him any time.

[Kblaze8855]

Tim Duncan had haters. It’s unavoidable. It’s the other side of fame and fortune. Eventually if you do enough you can’t hear the critics talking over the applause. But they’re still there. There is nothing….NOTHING anyone has ever been able to do to rid themselves of haters in sports. I promise you somebody somewhere was calling Muhammad Ali a ****** when he lit the Olympic flame and everyone else fought back tears.

[tontoz]

To me it isn't an issue of humble or cocky. It is more about being a professional. To be an elite player you can be a cocky asshole, but you also need to be a professional.

I definitely question his professionalism, and Zions as well.

I used to have similar thoughts about Embiid. He seemed more interested in social media than bball. He'd be out with a knee injury and then be caught out dancing on stage. I was like wtf. Then a few years ago he got serious, working hard on his game, accepting criticism and toning down his social media antics.

[elementally morale]

Is it more talented than Nash, Amare, Marion, and Joe Johnson?

That team was an Horry-foul away from a ring, I think.

[tontoz]

That team was an Horry-foul away from a ring, I think.



Didn't JJ break his face too? :oldlol:

Sucks that team was only together one season. They were fun to watch.

[Axe]

To me it isn't an issue of humble or cocky. It is more about being a professional. To be an elite player you can be a cocky asshole, but you also need to be a professional.

I definitely question his professionalism, and Zions as well.

I used to have similar thoughts about Embiid. He seemed more interested in social media than bball. He'd be out with a knee injury and then be caught out dancing on stage. I was like wtf. Then a few years ago he got serious, working hard on his game, accepting criticism and toning down his social media antics.
Uncle is correct here. I forgot about having professionalism, although i had zach lavine in my mind when i thought of that. But he's almost 30 already while morant is just going to be 25 later this year. Hopefully they can both improve on whatever isn't likeable about them.

[elementally morale]

Didn't JJ break his face too? :oldlol:

Sucks that team was only together one season. They were fun to watch.

He did. :oldlol:
Nash played really well with his broken nose that game. Reminded me a bit of Isiah Thomas playing with no ankle. (Toothless Dirk wasn't bad either.)