Would you trade Kyrie if you were Mavs?

[90sgoat]

Lakers are struggling, need shooting and someone who can step up.

Mavs are struggling, need rebounding and athleticism on the wings.

Seems like both teams might improve by a trade. Kyrie is great, but Luka doesn't need Kyrie to win either. Lakers probably like Rui and Reaves, but are they players that take you to the finals this year?

Out: Kyrie Irving, Dwight Powell, Curry/Hardy/Green
In: Rui Hachimura, Austin Reaves, Jared Vanderbilt

Wouldn't both team be significantly improved?

[FultzNationRISE]

Ive seen the Reaves for Ree trade making sense for a while now.

AR and Luka are similar in age and have styles more complimentary of one another. They make sense together long term. On the other hand, Ree and LeB make sense together short term, since thats the only time frame Bron has and Ree is still a very talented offensive player. That feels like their best realistic trade to have a legitimate shot in the West this year.

Reaves has promise as a nice second/third option but he’s not gonna be “the guy” that takes over when Lebron leaves. Frankly neither is AD. They will have to blow it up regardless. They may as well go all in right now.

[Druckenmiller]

Lakers are struggling, need shooting and someone who can step up.

Mavs are struggling, need rebounding and athleticism on the wings.

Seems like both teams might improve by a trade. Kyrie is great, but Luka doesn't need Kyrie to win either. Lakers probably like Rui and Reaves, but are they players that take you to the finals this year?

Out: Kyrie Irving, Dwight Powell, Curry/Hardy/Green
In: Rui Hachimura, Austin Reaves, Jared Vanderbilt

Wouldn't both team be significantly improved?

I’ve been saying for quite a while that what Dallas needed to do is surround Luka with the kind of team AI took to the Finals. Tough, physical, athletic guys who are unselfish and can finish play rather than create them.

I think they are much closer with Lively, Jones, Williams, Green. But in the modern NBA you have to have another guy besides Luka who can create and make things happen, especially when Luka is off the floor.

But IMO Luka and Kyrie just don’t fit together on the court st the same time.

I think Reeves is a better fit. He’s tough, plays defense and I think he could play off the ball when Luka is on the court, and take over the creator role when he’s off it.

I would do this in heartbeat if I was Dallas, but I would rather have Green than Vanderbilt.

[Xiao Yao You]

I’ve been saying for quite a while that what Dallas needed to do is surround Luka with the kind of team AI took to the Finals. Tough, physical, athletic guys who are unselfish and can finish play rather than create them.

I think they are much closer with Lively, Jones, Williams, Green. But in the modern NBA you have to have another guy besides Luka who can create and make things happen, especially when Luka is off the floor.

But IMO Luka and Kyrie just don’t fit together on the court st the same time.

I think Reeves is a better fit. He’s tough, plays defense and I think he could play off the ball when Luka is on the court, and take over the creator role when he’s off it.

I would do this in heartbeat if I was Dallas, but I would rather have Green than Vanderbilt.

Playing in a weak conference like Iverson would help even more

[90sgoat]

I would do this in heartbeat if I was Dallas, but I would rather have Green than Vanderbilt.

Green has been a letdown this season though. Doesn't seem to work well with Luka, but plays well with Kyrie, why you might send him to Lakers.

[90sgoat]

Ive seen the Reaves for Ree trade making sense for a while now.

AR and Luka are similar in age and have styles more complimentary of one another. They make sense together long term. On the other hand, Ree and LeB make sense together short term, since thats the only time frame Bron has and Ree is still a very talented offensive player. That feels like their best realistic trade to have a legitimate shot in the West this year.

Reaves has promise as a nice second/third option but he’s not gonna be “the guy” that takes over when Lebron leaves. Frankly neither is AD. They will have to blow it up regardless. They may as well go all in right now.

Reaves alone is not enough for Kyrie though. Kyrie is much better this season. Vanderbilt and Jaxon Hayes would sweeten the deal though, as that's what Mavs need, size and grit.

I do think while you're at it, you might ship THJ along too. Could you get Rui back?

[Im Still Ballin]

Isn't Kyrie doing well in Dallas? Why would they want to trade him?

[SATAN]

Reaves...lol. He isn't a solid play maker, gets absolutely decimated on defense when targeted. He has been figured out and will be relentlessly targeted in the Playoffs (if they make it). He will struggle to bring the ball up the court at all in close games. He has grit, decent shooting for the most part (been off in stretches this season) and bball IQ... but often looks like an out of control rag doll when trying to do some unnecessarily hero ball move that results in a turnover. He's the biggest flopper in the league. This was supposed to be a breakout season. Perhaps not.

From a skill perspective I don't think he's worth what people think he's worth. He's just not athletic enough to do what he wants to do.

[90sgoat]

Isn't Kyrie doing well in Dallas? Why would they want to trade him?

To max out on his value to get help with areas that they struggle more with.

Kyrie is great, but Luka can do what Kyrie does. The added scoring of Kyrie can only happen when Luka isn't doing it. The value that Kyrie can bring to other teams is more than what he brings to Mavs.

Mavs are going nowhere unless they get some more rebounding. If you want to keep Luka long term, getting Reaves, Vanderbilt and maybe Rui, that's better short term and long term than 31 year old Kyrie.

Kyrie's been great, no doubt, but if he is up for it, then you really need to cash in now.

[Xiao Yao You]

Reaves...lol. He isn't a solid play maker, gets absolutely decimated on defense when targeted. He has been figured out and will be relentlessly targeted in the Playoffs (if they make it). He will struggle to bring the ball up the court at all in close games. He has grit, decent shooting for the most part (been off in stretches this season) and bball IQ... but often looks like an out of control rag doll when trying to do some unnecessarily hero ball move that results in a turnover. He's the biggest flopper in the league. This was supposed to be a breakout season. Perhaps not.

From a skill perspective I don't think he's worth what people think he's worth. He's just not athletic enough to do what he wants to do.

Satan is right for a change. Jazz put the Lakers away last night by putting Reaves on an island. Sounds like that is the game plan for teams for a while now

[SATAN]

Mavs are going nowhere unless they get some more rebounding. If you want to keep Luka long term, getting Reaves, Vanderbilt and maybe Rui, that's better short term and long term than 31 year old Kyrie.



Rui isn't a very good rebounder

[FultzNationRISE]

Reaves alone is not enough for Kyrie though. Kyrie is much better this season. Vanderbilt and Jaxon Hayes would sweeten the deal though, as that's what Mavs need, size and grit.

I do think while you're at it, you might ship THJ along too. Could you get Rui back?


Not straight up obviously, that wouldnt work anyway with their contracts, but something centered around those two.

That said I dunno how much more you get for Kyrie given his proneness to injury and antics. Youre basically rolling the dice for this year and possibly next, theres no justifiable expectation for him to provide any value beyond that.

[Im Still Ballin]

What about Reaves and D'Angelo for Kyrie? D-Lo is like the budget Kyrie. Gives Dallas more depth and two good scorers who can shoot and play-make. Los Angeles gets a bonafide third star who can carry a large offensive load and fit well into LA's freestyle/minimal set approach.

Doesn't give Dallas the size on the wings you're after though. But it does make the team more Luka-centric.

[Xiao Yao You]

What about Reaves and D'Angelo for Kyrie? D-Lo is like the budget Kyrie. Gives Dallas more depth and two good scorers who can shoot and play-make. Los Angeles gets a bonafide third star who can carry a large offensive load and fit well into LA's freestyle/minimal set approach.

Doesn't give Dallas the size on the wings you're after though. But it does make the team more Luka-centric.

cancer for cancer might work. lose lose trade anyway

[FultzNationRISE]

Reaves...lol. He isn't a solid play maker, gets absolutely decimated on defense when targeted. He has been figured out and will be relentlessly targeted in the Playoffs (if they make it). He will struggle to bring the ball up the court at all in close games. He has grit, decent shooting for the most part (been off in stretches this season) and bball IQ... but often looks like an out of control rag doll when trying to do some unnecessarily hero ball move that results in a turnover. He's the biggest flopper in the league. This was supposed to be a breakout season. Perhaps not.

From a skill perspective I don't think he's worth what people think he's worth. He's just not athletic enough to do what he wants to do.

He does need to play more within himself, he has the skill to make a decent move to the basket but frequently lacks the strength to finish it once hes in the air.

He’s good in the passing lanes and a good decision maker in transition, which could help the Mavs play faster. If he can get stronger and become a more consistent finisher he might end up a pretty dangerous player.

If he can tone down his ambitions to be an iso guy, he does have a lot of game savvy that gives him more value to a team than his stats reflect.

[FultzNationRISE]

What about Reaves and D'Angelo for Kyrie? D-Lo is like the budget Kyrie. Gives Dallas more depth and two good scorers who can shoot and play-make. Los Angeles gets a bonafide third star who can carry a large offensive load and fit well into LA's freestyle/minimal set approach.

Doesn't give Dallas the size on the wings you're after though. But it does make the team more Luka-centric.

It’s a risky proposition for LA because they give up their very limited scoring depth. They pretty much have zero bench offense at that point.

I dont think Dallas needs Russell back and I think LAL is better off just keeping him for depth.

[90sgoat]

Mavs can't really accept more horrid defenders, so D-Lo is a no go.

D-Lo would at best be a bench spark, but Mavs already have Tim there.

Tim is getting shopped constantly, but I wouldn't want to try to get D-Lo up to speed mid season.

I'd rather try to work out some 3 way trade.

It seems to me as if that is going to be needed. I don't really see a straight up swap, because I am certain Mavs don't want D-Lo.

I could see Lakers wanting both Kyrie and Tim though, Mavs could take Reaves and Vanderbilt and perhaps Jaxon Hayes and that could be where some kind of 3-way could happen with some tanking team getting D-Lo and someone like Powell or Green and then Mavs get some vet back maybe.

What I'm seeing is that Mavs have Kyrie and Tim, both should be interesting for Lakers and other teams and they have Hardy and Green, who should be able to sweeten the pot.

Mavs really should be in a spot to make a move.

[Xiao Yao You]

Mavs can't really accept more horrid defenders, so D-Lo is a no go.

D-Lo would at best be a bench spark, but Mavs already have Tim there.

Tim is getting shopped constantly, but I wouldn't want to try to get D-Lo up to speed mid season.

I'd rather try to work out some 3 way trade.

It seems to me as if that is going to be needed. I don't really see a straight up swap, because I am certain Mavs don't want D-Lo.

I could see Lakers wanting both Kyrie and Tim though, Mavs could take Reaves and Vanderbilt and perhaps Jaxon Hayes and that could be where some kind of 3-way could happen with some tanking team getting D-Lo and someone like Powell or Green and then Mavs get some vet back maybe.

Jazz were targeting Reaves not Russell and it sounds like other teams have been doing the same

[iamgine]

I would but not for LA's trash.

[elementally morale]

I would not. Not this season. I'd like to see what Luka and him can do in the playoffs with a full season under their belts. If they don't make it past the 2nd round then I would trade Kyrie.

[beasted]

Lakers aren't get a superstar in a trade unless they are willing to trade LeBron or Davis, PERIOD. They have no tradeable draft picks, and the sum of role players don't equal a superstar. Stop making these pointless Lakers scenarios.

[Full Court]

Lakers aren't get a superstar in a trade unless they are willing to trade LeBron or Davis, PERIOD. They have no tradeable draft picks, and the sum of role players don't equal a superstar. Stop making these pointless Lakers scenarios.

I've never understood why the Lakers haven't traded one or both of them yet. 2020 was a bubble fluke, and they've massively underachieved every year since. It's obviously not a winning core to build around.

[FilmyCogTurner]

What's an ideal piece to put next to Luka? I'm talking star player. The only person I can think of who wouldn't be available anyway is KAT.

As great as Luka is and with the roster the Mavs have, its really difficult to find that next guy. I thought KP was going to be it but we all know how that panned out.

[FultzNationRISE]

What's an ideal piece to put next to Luka? I'm talking star player. The only person I can think of who wouldn't be available anyway is KAT.

As great as Luka is and with the roster the Mavs have, its really difficult to find that next guy. I thought KP was going to be it but we all know how that panned out.

A second star just doesnt necessarily make that much sense given Doncic’s usage.

The ideal player the Mavs could add right now IMO is a young Brook Lopez, Al Horford type who can stretch the floor offensively, while providing interior size defensively.

[ShawkFactory]

I've never understood why the Lakers haven't traded one or both of them yet. 2020 was a bubble fluke, and they've massively underachieved every year since. It's obviously not a winning core to build around.

Eh. Before AD went out in 2021 they were handling a very good Suns team pretty nicely. Don't think it's crazy to think if AD doesn't go out that they have a good shot at the title there.

[Phoenix]

What's an ideal piece to put next to Luka? I'm talking star player.

AD would work with Luka( and conversely Kyrie works with Lebron).

[Xiao Yao You]

Eh. Before AD went out in 2021 they were handling a very good Suns team pretty nicely. Don't think it's crazy to think if AD doesn't go out that they have a good shot at the title there.

it is crazy to think of Davis not being out though. That's his thing

[FultzNationRISE]

A second star just doesnt necessarily make that much sense given Doncic’s usage.

The ideal player the Mavs could add right now IMO is a young Brook Lopez, Al Horford type who can stretch the floor offensively, while providing interior size defensively.

Ofc the day I say this Kleber is finally back in the lineup, whom I'd forgotten about after missing basically the whole season to this point with a toe injury. He's not quite as long as Lopez or Horford but he is a plus defender and a good shooter.

If they start a lineup of Doncic, Irving, Williams, Kleber, and Lively, with THJ as sixth man... that group can play with anyone. The problem will be their depth beyond that which is not very impressive.

They probably have the broadest range of outcomes of any team. If healthy I dont think winning a chip is completely unrealistic, but I could also see a little bit of bad luck or adversity causing them to collapse and get swept in the first round.

[tpols]

All this talk about kyrie... if Luka can't even stay on the court what does it matter?

Guy is a big balls player but he eats even bigger. The bottom line is hes fat and out of shape and who cares if he doesn't have the right fit with a guy if he himself can't even play a full season lol.

[Real Men Wear Green]

All this talk about kyrie... if Luka can't even stay on the court what does it matter?

Guy is a big balls player but he eats even bigger. The bottom line is hes fat and out of shape and who cares if he doesn't have the right fit with a guy if he himself can't even play a full season lol.

I was going to argue with this but I looked it up and did not realize how many games he misses.

[FultzNationRISE]

All this talk about kyrie... if Luka can't even stay on the court what does it matter?

Guy is a big balls player but he eats even bigger. The bottom line is hes fat and out of shape and who cares if he doesn't have the right fit with a guy if he himself can't even play a full season lol.


I know he's out right now but I dont think he's missed that much time in his career relative to other stars has he?

He's no Kawhi or Morant. But we also can't hold everyone to the LeIronMan standard.

[Xiao Yao You]

I know he's out right now but I dont think he's missed that much time in his career relative to other stars has he?

He's no Kawhi or Morant. But we also can't hold everyone to the LeIronMan standard.

Luka a better track record than Lebron the past few years but so do most

[SATAN]

If they start a lineup of Doncic, Irving, Williams, Kleber, and Lively, with THJ as sixth man... that group can play with anyone.

They probably have the broadest range of outcomes of any team. If healthy I dont think winning a chip is completely unrealistic

Seems pretty unrealistic tbh

[Xiao Yao You]

I don't think so lol

just need The Bum. How many rings?

[Phoenix]

All this talk about kyrie... if Luka can't even stay on the court what does it matter?

Guy is a big balls player but he eats even bigger. The bottom line is hes fat and out of shape and who cares if he doesn't have the right fit with a guy if he himself can't even play a full season lol.

How many of the top superstars do nowadays? Here's the last time a top level superstar played at least 70 games:

Giannis-2019
Embiid- Never
Jokic- 2022(74)
SGA- 2019
Steph- 2017
KD- 2019
Lebron- 2018
AD- 2018
Booker- 2020(70)
Tatum- 2023 (74)
D.Mitchell- 2019
Dame- 2019 (80)
J.Butler- 2017
Kyrie- 2017
Ja- Never
Kahwi- LMAO ( no seriously, 2017)

70 games is pretty much playing a full season nowadays. Of course in 2020 and 2021 the Pandemic affected those years, but these guys are barely hitting 70 nowadays. Dame doing 80 in 2019 is an aberration. Luka averages 66 games a season from his rookie year until last season. You're correct about his fitness but that hasn't resulted in him playing less than mostly anyone else of consequence.

[warriorfan]

How many of the top superstars do nowadays? Here's the last time a top level superstar played at least 70 games:

Giannis-2019
Embiid- Never
Jokic- 2022(74)
SGA- 2019
Steph- 2017
KD- 2019
Lebron- 2018
AD- 2018
Booker- 2020(70)
Tatum- 2023 (74)
D.Mitchell- 2019
Dame- 2019 (80)
J.Butler- 2017
Kyrie- 2017
Ja- Never
Kahwi- LMAO ( no seriously, 2017)

70 games is pretty much playing a full season nowadays. Of course in 2020 and 2021 the Pandemic affected those years, but these guys are barely hitting 70 nowadays. Dame doing 80 in 2019 is an aberration. Luka averages 66 games a season from his rookie year until last season. You're correct about his fitness but that hasn't resulted in him playing less than mostly anyone else of consequence.

Pretty eye opening. Interesting coincidence that you had a decent amount complete it in 2017. Seems like a purely random thing for that year being an outlier.

On second look 2019 has a good amount too. Looks like it’s been decreasing more lately. Load managing really picked up and made the league try to step in to curb it.

[Phoenix]

Pretty eye opening. Interesting coincidence that you had a decent amount complete it in 2017. Seems like a purely random thing for that year being an outlier.

On second look 2019 has a good amount too. Looks like it’s been decreasing more lately. Load managing really picked up and made the league try to step in to curb it.

It's funny that load management was intended to keep guys healthier but it seems to have the opposite effect. Training and diet have improved, the league has become far less physical, and most guys can barely crack 70-75 games. Shit I remember when Iveron was AVERAGING 42 minutes a night 25 years ago, and still managed to crack 80 games a few times. These guys now are playing 35 mins a night and missing 15 games a year. Giannis has averaged over 36 minutes once in a decade. Meanwhile someone like David Robinson( his closest size/athletic equal in the 90s) played over 80 games 6 of his first 7 seasons playing 36-41mpg.

[FultzNationRISE]

Pretty eye opening. Interesting coincidence that you had a decent amount complete it in 2017. Seems like a purely random thing for that year being an outlier.

On second look 2019 has a good amount too. Looks like it’s been decreasing more lately. Load managing really picked up and made the league try to step in to curb it.

I remember a few years back there was some murmuring among players about the schedule being too long, and what I suspect happened is the players union brought that issue up to the owners, and the owners behind closed doors said "look we give up WAY too much money by reducing the schedule, how about individual players just sit out more throughout the season and we'll look the other way."

Publicly the league of course will make an obligatory comment here or there about 'no load management!" but in reality the agreement is players can sit more, the league keeps 82 games, and the fans keep throwing their money at the league no matter what it does, because thats how it works.

[Xiao Yao You]

It's funny that load management was intended to keep guys healthier but it seems to have the opposite effect. Training and diet have improved, the league has become far less physical, and most guys can barely crack 70-75 games. Shit I remember when Iveron was AVERAGING 42 minutes a night 25 years ago, and still managed to crack 80 games a few times. These guys now are playing 35 mins a night and missing 15 games a year. Giannis has averaged over 36 minutes once in a decade. Meanwhile someone like David Robinson( his closest size/athletic equal in the 90s) played over 80 games 6 of his first 7 seasons playing 36-41mpg.

just means they aren't playing through injuries. Doesn't mean that they are less healthy

[Real Men Wear Green]

just means they aren't playing through injuries. Doesn't mean that they are less healthy

This is true. To add on to the reasons why we've seen the regular season completely devalued. The awards are still important but most stars don't think twice about skipping a game in Charlotte if they have a sore wrist. So long as his team makes the playoffs and he can be an allstar most stars are fine with whatever else happens.

[Manny98]

Kyrie is playing the best ball of his career and is right now arguably the best player in the league under 6'5

It would take a massive haul to acquire him, he's invaluable to Dallas

[Xiao Yao You]

Kyrie is playing the best ball of his career and is right now arguably the best player in the league under 6'5

It would take a massive haul to acquire him, he's invaluable to Dallas

:facepalm

[Real Men Wear Green]

Kyrie is playing the best ball of his career and is right now arguably the best player in the league under 6'5

It would take a massive haul to acquire him, he's invaluable to Dallas

Anthony Edwards is 6'4. Steph Curry is 6'3.

[Manny98]

Anthony Edwards is 6'4. Steph Curry is 6'3.
Your point?

[Xiao Yao You]

Your point?

that there is no argument for Kyrie :lol

[FultzNationRISE]

Kyrie is playing the best ball of his career and is right now arguably the best player in the league under 6'5

It would take a massive haul to acquire him, he's invaluable to Dallas


This is actually not a good thing.

We know that his overall career trajectory is a wild roller coaster.

So the Law of Averages would suggest that if he’s peaking now, by April he’s likely to be either slumping, injured, or disappearing off the grid for a few weeks to protest habitat destruction of indigenous migratory birds in the Ochokawatee river basin.

[beasted]

This is actually not a good thing.

We know that his overall career trajectory is a wild roller coaster.

So the Law of Averages would suggest that if he’s peaking now, by April he’s likely to be either slumping, injured, or disappearing off the grid for a few weeks to protest habitat destruction of indigenous migratory birds in the Ochokawatee river basin.

I looked at his year over year monthly splits and he is fairly consistent. I also compared his regular season vs playoff scoring and efficiency, and if you took out the anomaly in 2018/19, he's nearly identical there as well. He's basically a 23 PPG/58% TS% player regardless of the team or year.

Sure, like any player he has his ups and downs but the variance was for example a high of 65 TS% in one month, and then 55% in another. But comparing to his end season average and career average 55 isn't too far off from 58.

Irving deserves some criticism for a lot of things, but I don't know that the inconsistent label largely applies to his on court play.

[FultzNationRISE]

I looked at his year over year monthly splits and he is fairly consistent. I also compared his regular season vs playoff scoring and efficiency, and if you took out the anomaly in 2018/19, he's nearly identical there as well. He's basically a 23 PPG/58% TS% player regardless of the team or year.

Sure, like any player he has his ups and downs but the variance was for example a high of 65 TS% in one month, and then 55% in another. But comparing to his end season average and career average 55 isn't too far off from 58.

Irving deserves some criticism for a lot of things, but I don't know that the inconsistent label largely applies to his on court play.


Im not talking about strictly his numbers, I’m talking about his general availability.

He asked out of Cleveland bc he was insecure about Lebron, then in Boston he took an elective surgery right before the playoffs. In Brooklyn he sat out over vaccines (not saying it was wrong, just that its part of his track record). Then he was suspended for a twitter post. Then he asked to be traded. He missed a postseason in Brooklyn with an injury and just missed the last few weeks in Dallas with one.

Throughout his career its never long before the next controversy, surgery, trade demand, or suspension.

You just cannot try to project or plan anything for your team if Kyrie is an important part of it. Because odds are he wont be part of it for long.

[tpols]

Hey... settle down fellas.

I would like to invite some of you's to my personal meatball platter.

Fuggghhetttaboutit!!! :lol



https://youtu.be/PXFpEFQ6lw0?si=knRJUKrle7pbhHhA

[Xiao Yao You]

Im not talking about strictly his numbers, I’m talking about his general availability.

He asked out of Cleveland bc he was insecure about Lebron, then in Boston he took an elective surgery right before the playoffs. In Brooklyn he sat out over vaccines (not saying it was wrong, just that its part of his track record). Then he was suspended for a twitter post. Then he asked to be traded. He missed a postseason in Brooklyn with an injury and just missed the last few weeks in Dallas with one.

Throughout his career its never long before the next controversy, surgery, trade demand, or suspension.

You just cannot try to project or plan anything for your team if Kyrie is an important part of it. Because odds are he wont be part of it for long.

let's not forget the birthday party and asking out in Brooklyn

[Phoenix]

just means they aren't playing through injuries. Doesn't mean that they are less healthy

I recall 2021 when the playoffs was decimated by injuries to key players. Not to say injury hasnt cropped up in past championships, but I was of the impression load management was intended to give guys the best chance of being healthy and available at seasons end.

[elementally morale]

How many of the top superstars do nowadays?

70 games is pretty much playing a full season nowadays. Of course in 2020 and 2021 the Pandemic affected those years, but these guys are barely hitting 70 nowadays. Dame doing 80 in 2019 is an aberration. Luka averages 66 games a season from his rookie year until last season. You're correct about his fitness but that hasn't resulted in him playing less than mostly anyone else of consequence.


As for Jokic this is a bit of a stretch. He played:

80
73
75
80
73
72
74
69

games in previous seasons and he is at 40 games out of 41 this year. He was also healthy and played very well in the playoffs every year he got there.

[tpols]

Yea... let's trade the guy whose dropping 40 every game and winning.

There's nothing wrong with the Luka Kyrie fit. Luka plays on offense like a white Lebron and Kyrie had the best fit of his career with a ball dominating Lebron.

If you think Dallas is winning a title with Austin Reaves at 2nd option you're out of your mind. Reaves is a nice 3rd option but Kyrie literally does everything offensively better and defensively they're both average.

The Mavs only chance @ a title is if Kyrie has a run like in 2016 and playoff Luka balls out. They have 0 ceiling or title hopes with Reaves in his place.

[tpols]

that there is no argument for Kyrie :lol

Kyrie for his career has outplayed Curry H2H in the playoffs. The main issue is his off court stuff and Curry being a better basketball leader.

[Xiao Yao You]

Kyrie for his career has outplayed Curry H2H in the playoffs. The main issue is his off court stuff and Curry being a better basketball leader.

while Ant plays both ends on the best team in the west Kyrie is fighting for a play-in spot with his incredible two way play :lol

[tpols]

while Ant plays both ends on the best team in the west Kyrie is fighting for a play-in spot with his incredible two way play :lol

Curry and Klay had the worst series of their careers with Kyrie and JR Smith as the starting defensive backcourt. Let's see Ant win something in the playoffs.

[Xiao Yao You]

Curry and Klay had the worst series of their careers with Kyrie and JR Smith as the starting defensive backcourt. Let's see Ant win something in the playoffs.

let's see Kyrie's great two way play get his team in the playoffs

[tpols]

let's see Kyrie's great two way play get his team in the playoffs

Dallas is the 6 seed right now so I'm not sure what you're going on about.

He's been winning games recently with 0 All Star help... meanwhile the wolves are loaded. Apples and oranges.

[Xiao Yao You]

Dallas is the 6 seed right now so I'm not sure what you're going on about.

He's been winning games recently with 0 All Star help... meanwhile the wolves are loaded. Apples and oranges.

The Wolves are loaded when it's convenient. Other times they are just a bunch of scrubs that haven't done anything

[tpols]

The Wolves are loaded when it's convenient. Other times they are just a bunch of scrubs that haven't done anything

If they face LA, Pheonix, or Dallas in the 1st round they probably will lose. That's the funny part. :lol

[ILLsmak]

To max out on his value to get help with areas that they struggle more with.

Kyrie is great, but Luka can do what Kyrie does. The added scoring of Kyrie can only happen when Luka isn't doing it. The value that Kyrie can bring to other teams is more than what he brings to Mavs.

Mavs are going nowhere unless they get some more rebounding. If you want to keep Luka long term, getting Reaves, Vanderbilt and maybe Rui, that's better short term and long term than 31 year old Kyrie.

Kyrie's been great, no doubt, but if he is up for it, then you really need to cash in now.

Hold up, tho...

What about a trade centered around AD for Kyrie, bringing in a replacement big who is decent enough. That seems to make more sense.

Think about Grant Williams, he's a great C to fit around LeBron, can hit the 3, can play D. I think like Kyrie + Grant for AD and if you wanna include some of those other guys, too, that could work.

-Smak

[Phoenix]

As for Jokic this is a bit of a stretch. He played:

80
73
75
80
73
72
74
69

games in previous seasons and he is at 40 games out of 41 this year. He was also healthy and played very well in the playoffs every year he got there.

Yes but that reinforces my original point, very few stars play that many games year in, year out nowaday. Funny enough it's pudgy 'unathletic' looking dude.

[BarberSchool]

Tonight's game is the perfect time for Dallas, to let Kyrie shine bright in the 4th, and let LeFraud fall in love with the idea of "ONE MORE RUN", with Kyrie taking all the high pressure crunch time shots.

Rui, Vanderbilt, and all the picks for Kyrie....

[warriorfan]

Tonight's game is the perfect time for Dallas, to let Kyrie shine bright in the 4th, and let LeFraud fall in love with the idea of "ONE MORE RUN", with Kyrie taking all the high pressure crunch time shots.

Rui, Vanderbilt, and all the picks for Kyrie....

I love this

[ILLsmak]

Tonight's game is the perfect time for Dallas, to let Kyrie shine bright in the 4th, and let LeFraud fall in love with the idea of "ONE MORE RUN", with Kyrie taking all the high pressure crunch time shots.

Rui, Vanderbilt, and all the picks for Kyrie....

they're not trading trash for Kyrie mydood haha

-Smak

[Street Hunger]

What TYPE of player should the Mavs seek in return for Kyrie?

[Real Men Wear Green]

What TYPE of player should the Mavs seek in return for Kyrie?

I don't think they should trade him because the poor court crap makes his trade value a lot lower than his on court value. But if they did it they should get multiple good or great defenders and build something like what Philly had around Iverson around Jokic, one supremely ball-dominant guard trying to get 40 and 15 every night and then everyone else focused on shut down defense.

[tpols]

I don't think they should trade him because the poor court crap makes his trade value a lot lower than his on court value. But if they did it they should get multiple good or great defenders and build something like what Philly had around Iverson around Jokic, one supremely ball-dominant guard trying to get 40 and 15 every night and then everyone else focused on shut down defense.

The difference is Luka isn't playing in the 2000s east where 1 star teams could make the Finals. They'll never win anything in the current West with that strategy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The difference is Luka isn't playing in the 2000s east where 1 star teams could make the Finals. They'll never win anything in the current West with that strategy.
It would depend on how good the defenders they got were. I dont think they would be contenders if they did that deal but they aren't contenders now either. Really I believe they should stay as they are because again, the off-court crap has made Irving's trade value a lot lower than his real value.

[90sgoat]

What TYPE of player should the Mavs seek in return for Kyrie?

Ideal would be AD, but of course that won't happen.

I don't think it's one type of player, but more it's trading one player for several players to fix their needs.

They desperately need a rebounder and rim protector, but really just a rebounder, someone like Jonas Valenciunas. Then they need a proper long defensive wing, someone like OG Anonouby or Dorian Finney-Smith to come back.

I'd actually like some kind of 3-way trade that could bring DFS back and then a big mobile center, someone like Jarret Allen perhaps.

[tpols]

Luka and Kyrie combined for 70 yesterday in their never ending domination of the Pheonix Suns.


https://youtu.be/aN8cl7rzzOk?si=8a7Fp1fC5KLipyjN

Kyrie by far highest on the team with a +/- of 20.

Trade him now. Or cut him from the team.

[tpols]

This thread has aged like milk.

[NBAGOAT]

Yea you can’t have Luka do everything himself and this is a two star league, kyries been a godsend. Honestly thought they should’ve gone the 3rd star route with someone like siakam but putting defenders around luka/Kyrie works too

[FultzNationRISE]

Luka and Kyrie combined for 70 yesterday in their never ending domination of the Pheonix Suns.



Didnt a similar thing happen last time the Mavs played the Suns, with Kyrie out?

This is like in Brooklyn, where as long as Durant played, the team had a pretty good record. When Kyrie sat, or when he played. If Durant was in, they win. With or without Kyrie. If Durant was out, they lost, with or without Kyrie.

Kinda like in Boston, or in Cleveland. Kyrie plays? Fine. Kyrie sits? Same result.

You give him credit for wins that a very large sample size of results throughout his career suggests he has no real responsibility for.

[tpols]

Yea you can’t have Luka do everything himself and this is a two star league, kyries been a godsend. Honestly thought they should’ve gone the 3rd star route with someone like siakam but putting defenders around luka/Kyrie works too

Yup.

And OP was saying to trade him for Jonas Valuncunias. :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Didnt a similar thing happen last time the Mavs played the Suns, with Kyrie out?

This is like in Brooklyn, where as long as Durant played, the team had a pretty good record. When Kyrie sat, or when he played. If Durant was in, they win. With or without Kyrie. If Durant was out, they lost, with or without Kyrie.

Kinda like in Boston, or in Cleveland. Kyrie plays? Fine. Kyrie sits? Same result.

You give him credit for wins that a very large sample size of results throughout his career suggests he has no real responsibility for.

we all know what else happened at every stop. Just a matter of time before Kyrie self destructs again

[tpols]

Didnt a similar thing happen last time the Mavs played the Suns, with Kyrie out?

This is like in Brooklyn, where as long as Durant played, the team had a pretty good record. When Kyrie sat, or when he played. If Durant was in, they win. With or without Kyrie. If Durant was out, they lost, with or without Kyrie.

Kinda like in Boston, or in Cleveland. Kyrie plays? Fine. Kyrie sits? Same result.

You give him credit for wins that a very large sample size of results throughout his career suggests he has no real responsibility for.

Kyrie literally had the highest +/- of any player on the court by a wide margin. And kept Dallas in the game with Luka on the bench in the 1st half when the Suns started to pull away.

Irving also had a stretch about a month ago where he was going off and the mavs were winning with Luka out.


https://youtu.be/_Xlbopg7Mkk?si=7zw4edoz2o4syajM

You simply don't live in reality.

Guys averaging 26/5/5 on sniper 50/40/90 shooting this year.

[tpols]

we all know what else happened at every stop. Just a matter of time before Kyrie self destructs again

He sure didn't self destruct when he outplayed Steph Curry in his UMVP season H2H to win The Championship did he? :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

He sure didn't self destruct when he outplayed Steph Curry in his UMVP season H2H to win The Championship did he? :lol

stupid kid not the worldly adult that thinks the earth is flat. What have you done for me lately

[tpols]

I just posted what he did lately. He's been one of the most efficient combo guards in the league this year and is coming off a great game against a good opponent.

[Xiao Yao You]

I just posted what he did lately. He's been one of the most efficient combo guards in the league this year and is coming off a great game against a good opponent.

don't forget the best two way guard in the league eh Manny?:lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Nets were looking pretty good just a little over a year ago before Kyrie blew it up yet again. Good luck with that Dallas!

[FultzNationRISE]

Kyrie literally had the highest +/- of any player on the court by a wide margin.


Imagine flexing this stat in a single game sample size :roll:

[tpols]

Kyries defense is actually underrated. Booker had a really good game efficiency wise last night but he was -14 on the court because he's an absolute sieve on defense. While Kyrie was +20. Huge 34 point swing there.

[Xiao Yao You]

Imagine flexing this stat in a single game sample size :roll:

probably flexed more than any other stat :lol

[Manny98]

7 game win streak, Luka & Kyrie are cooking

[ShawkFactory]

Talking +/- again :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Talking +/- again :lol

it'll never stop!

[tpols]

Yea.

I mean Luka was +9 and Kyrie was +20. You don't have to be a math wizard to see that means Irving was +11 when he was by himself on the court. And Booker was a game worst -14 with Durant being a -4.

How did that happen? Because when Luka and Durant hit the bench, the Suns and Mavs kept Book and Kyrie in the game and Kyrie outplayed him siginifigantly in those minutes.

Kyrie kept them in the game and Luka threw the haymakers when it was close. Luka bombed on them to start the 2nd half.

This isn't a Batman and Robin situation. It's more like Superman and Spiderman. :pimp:

[tontoz]

Mavs have had 16 different starters this season. With all the injuries they've had it is pretty impressive to be 10 games over .500.

[FultzNationRISE]

Mavs have had 16 different starters this season. With all the injuries they've had it is pretty impressive to be 10 games over .500.

Especially when you consider their depth on paper is not particularly impressive. They were starting entire lineups of guys around Doncic I dont think anyone had ever heard of.

[Street Hunger]

The mavs are like many teams in that they're sort of in a tough spot, like they're a very good team but clearly have no shot at winning a championship.

That team needs a star in the frontcourt if they ever want to go deep in the postseason

[NBAGOAT]

no this is a two star league and luka cant do everything himself. fatigue is a big issue with luka. I honestly thought they shouldve gone the 3rd star route with siakam but building around 2 guys is fine too.