The Tucker Carlson Vladimir Putin Interview

[jstern]

https://youtu.be/fOCWBhuDdDo

I suggest starting after the Russia history lesson, due to the lenght of the video. (One of the top comments: "Imagine Biden giving an uninterrupted history of America for 30 minutes." I would LOVE to see that.)

Here's the CNN Vladimyr Zelenski interview (https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1755749631789514962). (For Blade, Off the Court, Axe, RRR3, etc.)

And here's the mainstream media meltdown, and overall meltdown of Tucker Carlsen interviewing Vladimir Putin. Including calls to prevent Tucker from reentering the United Stats, and to be sanctioned by the European Union.


https://youtu.be/TpeSVOwys6M

[SATAN]

Why don't you all just move to Russia?

[1987_Lakers]

Been waiting for this

[BurningHammer]

Putin must trust Tucker so much the table in between them is so small. :oldlol:

[BurningHammer]

Here's the CNN Vladimyr Zelenski interview (https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1755749631789514962). (For Blade, Off the Court, Axe, RRR3, etc.)

Apparently heavily edited. Why the hell it zooms so closely? :confusedshrug:

[oldtimer28]

https://youtu.be/fOCWBhuDdDo

I suggest starting after the Russia history lesson, due to the lenght of the video. (One of the top comments: "Imagine Biden giving an uninterrupted history of America for 30 minutes." I would LOVE to see that.)

Here's the CNN Vladimyr Zelenski interview (https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1755749631789514962). (For Blade, Off the Court, Axe, RRR3, etc.)

And here's the mainstream media meltdown, and overall meltdown of Tucker Carlsen interviewing Vladimir Putin. Including calls to prevent Tucker from reentering the United Stats, and to be sanctioned by the European Union.


https://youtu.be/TpeSVOwys6M

Great share.

Sadly the braindead left bots here will shriek. How can you look at demented biden alongside Putin. Anyone who voted for Biden should be ashamed of themselves.

Trump - like it or not - can hold audience with other leaders. Biden seriously would be put in a home but for his handlers and even with them, he has days where he should be in a hospital mental ward to get help.

[zeerghit]

Putin is deluded completely... He claimed that Poland assisted the Nazis in 1939? And then completely forgots over the fact that the Soviet union cooperated with the Nazis to split Poland from both sides? so many bad takes in this shitshow and tucker is the main clown here.."journalist"

[CeltsGarlic]

Im only halfway through and its pretty much what I expected. Same ol putin talking about 1k year ago we wuz kangs and shit therefore ukraine belongs to us. Oh and they are nazis while ilyin who is a state hero in russia is wholesome totally not a russian fascist. And btw they started it were just friendly neighbor whos afraid of being attacked.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.

[Baller234]

It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.

^ Says the guy who supported mandatory vaccinations and 10-20 year jail sentences for capitol protestors who didn't even step foot into the building.

[diamenz]

It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.

it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.

the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.

literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.

[Off the Court]

It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.

It's all in the name of tribal politics. They root for Russia because libs put Ukraine flags next to their twitter names.

That is basically a summery of why they support Trump. To troll liberals. All they care about is sticking it to the libs.

[Off the Court]

it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.

the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.

literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.

Russia IS the aggressor. Unprovoked.

I mean almost all of the US agrees that us invading Iraq was wrong, and Saddam was actually a horrible dictator. But now we are open to hearing out Putin and excusing his actions?

[diamenz]

Russia IS the aggressor. Unprovoked.



there's truth to that but it's really not that simple.

[Real Men Wear Green]

^ Says the guy who supported mandatory vaccinations and 10-20 year jail sentences for capitol protestors who didn't even step foot into the building.
None of that is true but I suppose the truth doesn't matter to a stupid asshole.

[Real Men Wear Green]

it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out thereA Russian citizen would get thrown in jail or killed for doing that.

[diamenz]

A Russian citizen would get thrown in jail or killed for doing that.

good thing we're americans.

[BurningHammer]

it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.

the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.

literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.

Putin's story is more like "1000 years ago, Russia were powerful and united.... :blah , thus Ukraine and every other countries that used to be under USSR should return to us."

Yeah he is still mentioning USSR often in the interview. Clearly, his ambition is to unify the USSR at all cost before he croaks.

Still the main reason Putin started the Ukrainian war was Nazi accusation but now it has been shifted to Ukraine trying to join NATO. He will continue to shift the goal post as many times as he wants to permanently take Ukraine territories.

[diamenz]

Putin's story is more like "1000 years ago, Russia were powerful and united.... :blah , thus Ukraine and every other countries that used to be under USSR should return to us."

Yeah he is still mentioning USSR often in the interview. Clearly, his ambition is to unify the USSR at all cost before he croaks.

Still the main reason Putin started the Ukrainian war was Nazi accusation but now it has been shifted to Ukraine trying to join NATO. He will continue to shift the goal post as many times as he wants to permanently take Ukraine territories.

whether or not putin has ideological dreams of recreating the soviet empire is irrelevant. what's relevant is whether he will actually take action in doing so. a war with the collective west is a war that russia would not win. putin knows this. russia has neither the military might nor the economic foundation to pull off such a large-scale invasion of eastern europe. it would be an absolute blunder of a move and would ensure the destruction of russia or at the very least, forced regime change in moscow.

to address your second point, there are a number of factors that led up to this crisis and ultimately the invasion of ukraine. the leading cause of which is nato expansion as you mentioned but to a lesser extent eu expansion. there are also secondary causes such as the orange revolution, our backing of it, and ultimately the 2014 us-backed coup in ukraine to overthrow their democratically-elected pro-russian president... which we all know was the last straw that sparked this conflict and led to the invasion of crimea and today, ukraine.

so the invasion of ukraine should have come as no surprise and certainly isn't as simple as saying putin is the aggressor and that the invasion was unprovoked. going back decades, russian leaders have made clear that they would not stand idly by while their strategically-important neighbor turned into a western bastion. this is how great powers act. imagine if china had built a military alliance the size and scale of nato and tried to include canada and mexico in it. do you think washington would tolerate something like that?

there's a lot more to this than meets the eye... or at least a lot more than what the us media lays on the table and what the government shoves down your throat. that's why i said that nothing bad can come of this interview. it doesn't excuse putin's actions nor does it take his side - it only provides russia's side of the story to amercans who may otherwise remain clueless.

[CeltsGarlic]

whether or not putin has ideological dreams of recreating the soviet empire is irrelevant. what's relevant is whether he will actually take action in doing so. a war with the collective west is a war that russia would not win. putin knows this. russia has neither the military might nor the economic foundation to pull off such a large-scale invasion of eastern europe. it would be an absolute blunder of a move and would ensure the destruction of russia or at the very least, forced regime change in moscow.

to address your second point, there are a number of factors that led up to this crisis and ultimately the invasion of ukraine. the leading cause of which is nato expansion as you mentioned but to a lesser extent eu expansion. there are also secondary causes such as the orange revolution, our backing of it, and ultimately the 2014 us-backed coup in ukraine to overthrow their democratically-elected pro-russian president... which we all know was the last straw that sparked this conflict and led to the invasion of crimea and today, ukraine.

so the invasion of ukraine should have come as no surprise and certainly isn't as simple as saying putin is the aggressor and that the invasion was unprovoked. going back decades, russian leaders have made clear that they would not stand idly by while their strategically-important neighbor turned into a western bastion. this is how great powers act. imagine if china had built a military alliance the size and scale of nato and tried to include canada and mexico in it. do you think washington would tolerate something like that?

there's a lot more to this than meets the eye... or at least a lot more than what the us media lays on the table and what the government shoves down your throat. that's why i said that nothing bad can come of this interview. it doesn't excuse putin's actions nor does it take his side - it only provides russia's side of the story to amercans who may otherwise remain clueless.

The funny thing in all this is that russia kind of lost ukraine some 10 years ago when population got fed up being friends with a broke ass country when the western world is all happy ,richer and more sane (trust me russia is crazy and it stems mostly from corruption) . After this war they hate russia more and trust them less so unless putin absorbs all ukraine they gonna keep spamming "join nato" button. They got this weird problem now frfr

[bladefd]

it's not about that. it's about putting both sides of the story out there and allowing the american people to utilize that information in order to figure the truth of the matter out for themselves. that doesn't mean you have to believe or like what putin says.

the media in our country doesn't do their job - all they do is regurgitate whatever they hear from our government as if it's truth, especially when it comes to war. they fawn over zelensky. they ignore historical context, great power politics and geopolitical dynamics. it's always as simple as "putin invaded a sovereign country. putin is the aggressor" programming americans to do things like swap their american flag on their porches out for a ukrainian one.

literally nothing bad can come out of conducting this interview. it can only benefit americans. as long as americans keep an open mind and turn off "entertainment tonight" for one night, anyway.

So you are 100% buying every word Colonel putin says?

[bladefd]

whether or not putin has ideological dreams of recreating the soviet empire is irrelevant. what's relevant is whether he will actually take action in doing so. a war with the collective west is a war that russia would not win. putin knows this. russia has neither the military might nor the economic foundation to pull off such a large-scale invasion of eastern europe. it would be an absolute blunder of a move and would ensure the destruction of russia or at the very least, forced regime change in moscow.

to address your second point, there are a number of factors that led up to this crisis and ultimately the invasion of ukraine. the leading cause of which is nato expansion as you mentioned but to a lesser extent eu expansion. there are also secondary causes such as the orange revolution, our backing of it, and ultimately the 2014 us-backed coup in ukraine to overthrow their democratically-elected pro-russian president... which we all know was the last straw that sparked this conflict and led to the invasion of crimea and today, ukraine.

so the invasion of ukraine should have come as no surprise and certainly isn't as simple as saying putin is the aggressor and that the invasion was unprovoked. going back decades, russian leaders have made clear that they would not stand idly by while their strategically-important neighbor turned into a western bastion. this is how great powers act. imagine if china had built a military alliance the size and scale of nato and tried to include canada and mexico in it. do you think washington would tolerate something like that?

there's a lot more to this than meets the eye... or at least a lot more than what the us media lays on the table and what the government shoves down your throat. that's why i said that nothing bad can come of this interview. it doesn't excuse putin's actions nor does it take his side - it only provides russia's side of the story to amercans who may otherwise remain clueless.

Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?

Russia also controls the pro-russia territories like donbas or w/e. What are they waiting around for if they had no intention of capturing all of Ukraine? What are they waiting for? (do you want me to answer that question?)

[diamenz]

? (do you want me to answer that question?)

sure.

[diamenz]

So you are 100% buying every word Colonel putin says?

my argument isn't based on "what putin says". my argument is based on history and geopolitics.

[Bill Gates]

I wonder if God will accept the slaughter of innocent families after Putin gives him a history lesson.

[rawimpact]

So you are 100% buying every word Colonel putin says?

This is what you pulled from his post you illiterate moron?

He simply stating it's good to hear all sides of the story. Never once did he say he's believing any word of it but simply people speak with their biases/agenda.

You never fail to come off as a moron, even in a post with less than ten words in it.

[SATAN]

It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.

They are scared.

[bladefd]

sure.

US Election result. If the perfect idiot Trump wins, the Ukraine aid stops, and Putin can finish the job of overtaking Ukraine. If Biden wins, aid continues and then Putin has to decide (perhaps save face?)


I will re-post the questions you conveniently passed on. Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?

[bladefd]

This is what you pulled from his post you illiterate moron?

He simply stating it's good to hear all sides of the story. Never once did he say he's believing any word of it but simply people speak with their biases/agenda.

You never fail to come off as a moron, even in a post with less than ten words in it.

And one side is from Putin, dumbass. Can you believe anything Putin says and take at face value? Dude is an authoritarian tyrant serving like his 6th term and no intention of ever leaving office. Are you that clueless to not understand that? Ofc you are.

My questions also apply to you. Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?

[jstern]

there's truth to that but it's really not that simple.

It's pretty clear they were provoked, and did quite a lot to try and avoid war.


And one side is from Putin, dumbass. Can you believe anything Putin says and take at face value? Dude is an authoritarian tyrant serving like his 6th term and no intention of ever leaving office. Are you that clueless to not understand that? Ofc you are.

My questions also apply to you. Why did Russia wait until 8 years to attack Ukraine if those were the reasons? Ukraine has been trying to join nato since Bush administration. The coup you mentioned was 2014. Neo-nazis didn't suddenly appear in Ukraine in 2022. Why did it take 8yrs if those were the reasons?

Blade is the person who literally believed that Putin decided to invade the whole of Ukraine, completely out of the blue, after waking up one day. Completely shocking the world, in the same manner that the world would be shocked if Japan invaded Costa Rica out of the blue. So he cannot bring up any points that Putin made and counter it, just like Off the Court, he can only respond in CNN propaganda narratives. I love Blade, but this is why I can never have any discussions with him. It's a waste of time. He didn't even watch the interview.

[diamenz]

why did russia invade ukraine when it did?

there's no short answer to this. for the sake of not sounding like a broken record, i'll skip past everything i've already covered in the ukraine thread, as well as this thread and the 'joe biden is a terrible president' thread in the ofc forum and start off on the timeline at 2014.

*this ended up being a mess of a post and wasn't structured or articulated very well but whatever... everything is there including referenced links.*

so you would think that after the events of 2014, the us and it's allies would have either drew down, began to de-escalate or even consider taking nato enlargement completely off of the table... especially in regard to ukraine, right? wrong - they instead doubled-down.

first, nato began training the ukrainian military in 2014 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-military-success-years-of-nato-training-11649861339), totaling approximately 10k troops trained over the course of the next eight years. in 2017, the trump admin provided kiev with "defensive weapons" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/12/20/trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine/) with other nato countries following suit. the military of ukraine then also started participating in joint military exercises with nato. in 2021, kiev and the us hosted "operation sea breeze" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/02/ukraine-us-military-black-sea/) as well as "operation trident 21", the former of which was a naval exercise aimed directly towards russia.

in addition to nato's efforts to turn the ukrainian military into a more formidable fighting force, there were political moves made as well - both on the side of the biden as well as the zelensky administrations. despite the fact that zelensky was elected in 2019 on a platform that was supposed to push towards solving the ongoing crisis, he out-of-the blue reversed course in 2021 and not only welcomed nato expansion, but turned to a hard-line approach against moscow. must have been talking to someone in washington or the uk, huh? now joe biden, who started his term in 2021, had already been committed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/21/biden-crimea-russia-ukraine/) in the long-term to bringing ukraine into nato and with his typical 'dc-brain' was uber-hawkish towards russia.

on june 14, 2021, nato issued the following statement: (https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm)


We reiterate the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process; we reaffirm all elements of that decision, as well as subsequent decisions, including that each partner will be judged on its own merits. We stand firm in our support for Ukraine’s right to decide its own future and foreign policy course free from outside interference.

to top it all off and what really got the party started, in september of 2021, our brave hero zelensky visted the wh where biden made it very clear (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/01/remarks-by-president-biden-and-president-zelenskyy-of-ukraine-before-bilateral-meeting/) that the us was "firmly committed" to ukraine's nato aspirations. then, in november of 2021, sec state blinken and his ukrainian counterpart joined together in signing (https://www.state.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partnership/) the "us - ukraine charter in strategic partnership", the aim of which was to "underscore a commitment to Ukraine’s implementation of the deep and comprehensive reforms necessary for full integration into European and Euro-Atlantic institutions". i don't think that could make the imminent intentions of ukraine's integration into nato any clearer.

in dec of 2021, putin sent a letter to biden & nato (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-list-demands-tensions-europe-ukraine-nato) that more or less demanded a written guarantee that not only would ukraine not join nato but no offensive weapons nor troops would be stationed near russia's borders and any existing ones in eastern euroepe would be moved back west. putin also made a number of public statements around this time implying that he viewed nato expansion as an existential threat. in december, he said: (en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67402)


what they are doing, or trying or planning to do in Ukraine, is not happening thousands of kilometres away from our national border. It is on the doorstep of our house. They must understand that we simply have nowhere further to retreat to. Do they really think we do not see these threats? Or do they think that we will just stand idly watching threats to Russia emerge?

two months later, just a few days before the invasion of ukraine, putin said: (http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67838)


“We are categorically opposed to Ukraine joining NATO because this poses a threat to us, and we have arguments to support this. The United States and its allies continue to pump the current Kiev authorities full of modern types of weapons. If this is not stopped, Moscow “would be left with an ‘anti-Russia’ armed to the teeth. This is totally unacceptable.”

sounds a bit similar to what our monroe doctrine stipulates, huh?

blinken responded to putin in jan of 2022 (https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-a-press-availability-13/) in a nutshell saying "“There is no change. There will be no change.”

and before you knew it, the russians were coming.

[Axe]

None of that is true but I suppose the truth doesn't matter to a stupid asshole.
:oldlol:

[SATAN]

*Cherry picks time frame and continues to defend Russia and her murderous leader*

:facepalm

[diamenz]

:facepalm

i shouldn't even entertain you because you offer nothing, but blade specifically asked for it.

[SATAN]

Just keep rooting for USA to lose power on the global stage while defending competition when they try to overthrow allied countries. Solid plan, terrorist.

[bladefd]

there's no short answer to this. for the sake of not sounding like a broken record, i'll skip past everything i've already covered in the ukraine thread, as well as this thread and the 'joe biden is a terrible president' thread in the ofc forum and start off on the timeline at 2014.

*this ended up being a mess of a post and wasn't structured or articulated very well but whatever... everything is there including referenced links.*

so you would think that after the events of 2014, the us and it's allies would have either drew down, began to de-escalate or even consider taking nato enlargement completely off of the table... especially in regard to ukraine, right? wrong - they instead doubled-down.

first, nato began training the ukrainian military in 2014 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-military-success-years-of-nato-training-11649861339), totaling approximately 10k troops trained over the course of the next eight years. in 2017, the trump admin provided kiev with "defensive weapons" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/12/20/trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine/) with other nato countries following suit. the military of ukraine then also started participating in joint military exercises with nato. in 2021, kiev and the us hosted "operation sea breeze" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/02/ukraine-us-military-black-sea/) as well as "operation trident 21", the former of which was a naval exercise aimed directly towards russia.

in addition to nato's efforts to turn the ukrainian military into a more formidable fighting force, there were political moves made as well - both on the side of the biden as well as the zelensky administrations. despite the fact that zelensky was elected in 2019 on a platform that was supposed to push towards solving the ongoing crisis, he out-of-the blue reversed course in 2021 and not only welcomed nato expansion, but turned to a hard-line approach against moscow. must have been talking to someone in washington or the uk, huh? now joe biden, who started his term in 2021, had already been committed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/21/biden-crimea-russia-ukraine/) in the long-term to bringing ukraine into nato and with his typical 'dc-brain' was uber-hawkish towards russia.

on june 14, 2021, nato issued the following statement: (https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm)



to top it all off and what really got the party started, in september of 2021, our brave hero zelensky visted the wh where biden made it very clear (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/01/remarks-by-president-biden-and-president-zelenskyy-of-ukraine-before-bilateral-meeting/) that the us was "firmly committed" to ukraine's nato aspirations. then, in november of 2021, sec state blinken and his ukrainian counterpart joined together in signing (https://www.state.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partnership/) the "us - ukraine charter in strategic partnership", the aim of which was to "underscore a commitment to Ukraine’s implementation of the deep and comprehensive reforms necessary for full integration into European and Euro-Atlantic institutions". i don't think that could make the imminent intentions of ukraine's integration into nato any clearer.

in dec of 2021, putin sent a letter to biden & nato (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-list-demands-tensions-europe-ukraine-nato) that more or less demanded a written guarantee that not only would ukraine not join nato but no offensive weapons nor troops would be stationed near russia's borders and any existing ones in eastern euroepe would be moved back west. putin also made a number of public statements around this time implying that he viewed nato expansion as an existential threat. in december, he said: (en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67402)



two months later, just a few days before the invasion of ukraine, putin said: (http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67838)



sounds a bit similar to what our monroe doctrine stipulates, huh?

blinken responded to putin in jan of 2022 (https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-a-press-availability-13/) in a nutshell saying "“There is no change. There will be no change.”

and before you knew it, the russians were coming.

Okay, let's say I accept your argument that it was provoked. It's detailed and has sources.

Russia now controls the pro-russia territories in Eastern Ukraine like donbas. What's next if Putin has no intention of capturing all of Ukraine? Will they stop the offensive or will they not stop until the Ukrainian government in Kiev is toppled?

[jstern]

Just keep rooting for USA to lose power on the global stage while defending competition when they try to overthrow allied countries. Solid plan, terrorist.

Ah man. This is a Bladefd level simplistic comment. Who thinks all this death and destruction, money laundering is for the benefit of the US citizens. Do you think the US politician who push for war over the slightest things (ex. Lindsey Graham) are doing it because it helps the United States? Do you think politicians who push for open borders, wasting hundreds of millions of dollar, billions to take care of the illegal immigrants (help with rent, food, prepaid debit cards, $500 a night hotel rooms) are doing it because they care about the United States and its citizens?

These people would have you and everyone in the United States killed in 50 years, if it means a little bit of power for them during their lifetime.

I can understand Blade, he has a Pfizer tattoo, but not Satan.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Did Tucker get a word in edgewise?

This was not an interview. This was just one monologue by Putin.

Loved it when Putin told Tucker he was not a serious journalist, but rather an entertainer.

Tucker did a forced fake laugh to act like he wasn't being used.

[BurningHammer]

Loved it when Putin told Tucker he was not a serious journalist, but rather an entertainer.

A broken clock is right twice a day. :ohwell:

[Wardell Curry]

I'm not particularly educated. But here's my take. I doubt it's as simple as "Putin = bad" and I also doubt it's as simple as "nato is on our doorstep and we've warned you for years" also.

Two reasons.

1) Nato is already on Russia's borders.
2) If Russia takes all of Ukraine and Ukraine ceases to exist and is just Russia now and everyone leaves it at that. Guess what? NATO is still on Russia's border. In fact, even more than it already is.

So what's really going on here? I can tell you one thing, I very much doubt it's going to be found in this thread as people spout off nonsensical talking points from their favorite political commentators.

[tpols]

It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.

It's even wierder that so many sheep like you exist and believe every piece of propaganda thrown their way without questioning anything for even a millisecond.

[bladefd]

I'm not particularly educated. But here's my take. I doubt it's as simple as "Putin = bad" and I also doubt it's as simple as "nato is on our doorstep and we've warned you for years" also.

Two reasons.

1) Nato is already on Russia's borders.
2) If Russia takes all of Ukraine and Ukraine ceases to exist and is just Russia now and everyone leaves it at that. Guess what? NATO is still on Russia's border. In fact, even more than it already is.

So what's really going on here? I can tell you one thing, I very much doubt it's going to be found in this thread as people spout off nonsensical talking points from their favorite political commentators.

Didn't Finland join nato too after Russia invaded Ukraine? Sweden is also on the verge of joining last I checked. Nato is actually getting larger so putin didn't help his case.

This is why putin needs trump to win the election so Trump can return to trying to take apart nato and trashing it every chance he gets. Without that, nato will continue to get stronger and add more countries.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's even wierder that so many sheep like you exist and believe every piece of propaganda thrown their way without questioning anything for even a millisecond.

So being a fan of the guy that eliminated free elections in Russia and currently is causing hundreds of thousands of deaths plus the kidnapping of tens of thousands of Ukrainian children just for fun... liking this guy makes you a deep thinker?

It's like you miss being called a stupid asshole.

[BurningHammer]

It's even wierder that so many sheep like you exist and believe every piece of propaganda thrown their way without questioning anything for even a millisecond.

I mean, you folks also fall for the right's propaganda as well. :ohwell:

[tpols]

I mean, you folks also fall for the right's propaganda as well. :ohwell:

I like to hear both sides and come to an individual conclusion.

[tpols]

So being a fan of the guy that eliminated free elections in Russia and currently is causing hundreds of thousands of deaths plus the kidnapping of tens of thousands of Ukrainian children just for fun... liking this guy makes you a deep thinker?

It's like you miss being called a stupid asshole.

I don't "like" Putin. I've literally never followed or endorsed him in any way. But I do like to hear both sides of the story and not just just American and European propaganda which is obviously tilted as all hell.

Like I said before though... youre an idiot that only follows one side in this geo politic discussion. Any story from the other side you immediately dismiss and use buzz words like dictator and nazi ad hominems as your justification for plugging your fat little fingers in your ears.

I'm not into that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't "like" Putin. I've literally never followed or endorsed him in any way. But I do like to hear both sides of the story and not just just American and European propaganda which is obviously tilted as all hell.

Like I said before though... youre an idiot that only follows one side in this geo politic discussion. Any story from the other side you immediately dismiss and use buzz words like dictator and nazi ad hominems as your justification for plugging your fat little fingers in your ears.

I'm not into that.

What have I said about Putin that isn't true you stupid asshole? Are you saying that he hasn't had his political opponents arrested and killed? Didn't launch the war on Ukraine? Russian elections are free?

[tpols]

You still don't get it. :oldlol:

None of our elections are free. Everything is planned top down. You're too naive and stupid to see that though.

USA military has also killed more people around the world than Russia has and whistle blowers get "suicided" left and right here.

Go ask Eric Snowden what happens when you tell the truth about the USA government, fool. He was a top intelligence agent for our government.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You still don't get it. :oldlol:

None of our elections are free. Everything is planned top down. You're too naive and stupid to see that though.

USA military has also killed more people around the world than Russia has and whistle blowers get "suicided" left and right here.

Go ask Eric Snowden what happens when you tell the truth about the USA government, fool. He was a top intelligence agent for our government. Anyone stupid enough that they can't tell the difference between America and Russia should go live there. Joe Biden hasn't had Trump poisoned and can't just lock him up for running against him. Eric Snowden chose to leak classified military intelligence. That's a crime. And that's why Putin, an enemy of the United States, is giving him safe harbor. Every country does dirt, including ours, but Putin's tyranny is on another level regardless of the fact you're too stupid that fact.

[diamenz]

Russia now controls the pro-russia territories in Eastern Ukraine like donbas. What's next if Putin has no intention of capturing all of Ukraine? Will they stop the offensive or will they not stop until the Ukrainian government in Kiev is toppled?

i don't know. one can only speculate. you know as well as i do that war is unpredictable and has the potential to escalate in any number of ways, especially a war as protracted as this one with two great nuclear powers involved and both so heavily invested at this point.

if i'm correct in my assessment that russia's primary reason for this war is their seeing nato encroachment as an existential threat, then putin will not be satisfied until the west comes forward with a settlement declaring that ukraine will remain a neutral state and there will be regime change in kiev. in their view, defeat is unacceptable. either that, or ukrainian leaders will take initiative, stand up against western pressure and push for neutralization themselves. the third scenario would involve washington pulling funding & munitions from ukraine and as i mentioned, coming to the table and caving to russia's demands. none of these scenarios look likely to happen. in other words, there's no diplomatic solution to this war in sight.

with that in mind, again, there's the potential for further escalation. with neither side backing down or coming to a peace agreement, we could see us troops on the ground if putin continues to hold the upper hand and push further west. on the other hand, if putin somehow loses that upper hand and gets pushed back into a corner, there's the possibility that he could use nukes as a last resort in order to rescue the situation. you also have the prospect of poland getting involved militarily if putin is forced to continue his offensive, which would officially put russia at war with nato.

so the stakes are high for both sides and thus neither side can afford to lose. this conflict is unique in that two great nuclear powers are involved. if this turns into more than just a proxy war between the west and russia and there's no diplomatic agreement reached, the possibilities can be catastrophic.

[bladefd]

You still don't get it. :oldlol:

None of our elections are free. Everything is planned top down. You're too naive and stupid to see that though.

USA military has also killed more people around the world than Russia has and whistle blowers get "suicided" left and right here.

Go ask Eric Snowden what happens when you tell the truth about the USA government, fool. He was a top intelligence agent for our government.

None of our elections are free? Could you please explain further?

How are you comparing our elections to Russia's? Putin got 80% of the popular votes in the 2018 election because those two running against him are his supporters :lol

Anyone who wants to campaign in Russia must apply to run with their election board, and the board decides who is allowed to run. They don't allow anyone to run who disagrees with Russian policy. If you have enough support, they find a reason to jail you for years on bogus charges like "extremism" like the dude in 2018. The Russian courts have no power over the election board. It's not a democracy there.

[bladefd]

i don't know. one can only speculate. you know as well as i do that war is unpredictable and has the potential to escalate in any number of ways, especially a war as protracted as this one with two great nuclear powers involved and both so heavily invested at this point.

if i'm correct in my assessment that russia's primary reason for this war is their seeing nato encroachment as an existential threat, then putin will not be satisfied until the west comes forward with a settlement declaring that ukraine will remain a neutral state and there will be regime change in kiev. in their view, defeat is unacceptable. either that, or ukrainian leaders will take initiative, stand up against western pressure and push for neutralization themselves. the third scenario would involve washington pulling funding & munitions from ukraine and as i mentioned, coming to the table and caving to russia's demands. none of these scenarios look likely to happen. in other words, there's no diplomatic solution to this war in sight.

with that in mind, again, there's the potential for further escalation. with neither side backing down or coming to a peace agreement, we could see us troops on the ground if putin continues to hold the upper hand and push further west. on the other hand, if putin somehow loses that upper hand and gets backed into a corner, there's the possibility that he would use nukes as a last resort in order to rescue the situation. you also have the prospect of poland getting involved militarily if putin is forced to continue his offensive.

so the stakes are incredibly high for both sides and thus neither side can afford to lose. this conflict is unique in two nuclear great powers are involved. if this turns into more than just a proxy war between the west and russia and there's no diplomatic agreement reached, the possibilities can be catastrophic.

Russia is not doing so great so far. Most expected the war to last a few months. Nobody thought Ukraine would last a couple years with Russia stuck on the outskirts of the nation, holding perhaps 20% of Ukraine at most. I don't see Russia fighting forever if they are unable to take reach Kiev government. As I mentioned above, nato has also gotten larger since the war began so now Russia has even more nato along its borders.

Do you not think the US election could have a big impact on what Russia does depending on who wins?

[diamenz]

Russia is not doing so great so far. Most expected the war to last a few months. Nobody thought Ukraine would last a couple years with Russia stuck on the outskirts of the nation, holding perhaps 20% of Ukraine at most. I don't see Russia fighting forever if they are unable to take reach Kiev government. As I mentioned above, nato has also gotten larger since the war began so now Russia has even more nato along its borders.

Do you not think the US election could have a big impact on what Russia does depending on who wins?

putin is moving slowly and deliberately at this point. he has no interest in pushing any further west and having to govern hard-minded ukrainians on the other side of the dnieper. if he takes more territory, it will be kharkov and odessa and if necessary kiev for the sole purpose of regime change.

russia is winning this war and you could make the argument that it's already won - it's more or less achieved it's military objectives. if putin pushes any further west, it won't be for the purpose of occupying territory - it will be to pressure the west into coming to the table. the ukrainian counter offensive is over. there are pregnant women, teenage boys and seventy-year old men hunkered down in defensive positions on the battlefield. russia's economy is humming and can continue on as long as deemed necessary. this is joe biden's war now - the onus is on him.


Do you not think the US election could have a big impact on what Russia does depending on who wins?

trump taking office could only be better for a path to peace. like i said, joe biden and the foreign policy establishment (the globalists), are so heavily invested ideologically, materially and rhetorically that any alternative at this point would be better for all sides involved.

[tpols]

None of our elections are free? Could you please explain further?

You seriously don't see how big money interests, corruption and nepotism determine our "presidents" and political leaders on both sides?

How we have George Bush Sr. win, then his son George Bush Jr. wins, then Bill Clinton wins, then Bill Clinton's wife almost wins, then Obama wins, then Obamas VP wins, and now Obamas wife is running... :lol

I mean... it's just totally absurd. These are all puppets. Every single one of them are blackmailed puppets Trump included.

If you're too naive to see this voting system was directly implemented to give you the illusion of choice I don't know what to tell you. Your naivety is too extreme to break through like RMWG.



I'm just some random stupid asshole though so don't take it from me. :roll:

[BurningHammer]

and now Obamas wife is running... :lol


So you get that from the same source as Doomsday Dallas?

Even your boy Karl Rove doesn't think so. (https://twitter.com/EricKleefeld/status/1755239492028379558)

[tpols]

So you get that from the same source as Doomsday Dallas?

Even your boy Karl Rove doesn't think so. (https://twitter.com/EricKleefeld/status/1755239492028379558)

I just heard it in passing but... yea way to nitpick away from the general point that nepotism runs this country on both sides Democrat and republican. You didn't address any of the other names all connected. Nice job pal.

[SATAN]

None of our elections are free? Could you please explain further?



He thinks Klaus Schwab runs the entire planet and no one else has any say in anything.

[jstern]

Do you guys think that Tucker should be sanctioned by the European Union, and also banned from reentering the United States?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Do you guys think that Tucker should be sanctioned by the European Union, and also banned from reentering the United States?

I would settle for public whipping.

[JohnnySic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF8S3lWXAAEiPer?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF8TTrMWcAAZm1t?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF8TKszaMAAMgt9?format=jpg&name=small

[diamenz]

Do you guys think that Tucker should be sanctioned by the European Union, and also banned from reentering the United States?

for simply doing his job as a journalist? absolutely!

[ArbitraryWater]

Genuinely excellent.


Tuck hitting some hard questions and Putin flexing his knowledge.


Wonder if Zelensky was ever asked even 1 mildly critical question

[Jasper]

It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.

10 4

tuckers questions were draw up , by non-other - than Putin

:oldlol:

[jstern]

10 4

tuckers questions were draw up , by non-other - than Putin

:oldlol:

Tucker Carlson's First Discussion Since Putin Interview | World Government Summit 2024 Full Panel


https://youtu.be/mMXikZM_O80

[Nanners]

It's so weird to see all of these people on the right that have become fans of a tyrant dictator.

Its weird to see all of these people on the left that have become bloodthirsty fans of the western millitary industrial complex

[Nanners]

So being a fan of the guy that eliminated free elections in Russia and currently is causing hundreds of thousands of deaths plus the kidnapping of tens of thousands of Ukrainian children just for fun... liking this guy makes you a deep thinker?

It's like you miss being called a stupid asshole.

LMAO yeah no doubt Russia was widely known for its "free elections" before Putin came along... Meanwhile back in reality - Yeltsin was the only candidate that was "freely elected" prior to Putin showing up, and claiming that Yeltsin won his votes in anything resembling a "free election" is beyond laughable.

Nobody calls Tpols a stupid asshole, so why would he miss being called this?

[Nanners]

Do you guys think that Tucker should be sanctioned by the European Union, and also banned from reentering the United States?

It would be hilarious if the USA banned a CIA agent from entering the US for the crime of interviewing a foreign head of state.

[CeltsGarlic]

or ukrainian leaders will take initiative, stand up against western pressure and push for neutralization themselves. c.
Bro u kinda missing the point that ukraine is also a player in this war, and they kinda want to fight. Why musk and a lot of people asume that west is pushing them to frontline with guns put to their head, when given history of humans u will always find motivated guys ready to fight against invader.

[jstern]

Bro u kinda missing the point that Ukraine is also a player in this war, and they kinda want to fight. Why musk and a lot of people asume that west is pushing them to frontline with guns put to their head, when given history of humans u will always find motivated guys ready to fight against invader.

Right now, the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is 43 years old.


https://youtu.be/jKAGxmJYcUI

I had to search through Jimmy Dore videos, since that particular video is shadowbanned.

Ukraine is literally kidnapping young men off the streets, forcing them to fight, as you can watch in many shadowbanned videos.

What the hell does a corrupt leadership care about their country, innocent people, so long as they themselves benefit.

[Lakers Legend#32]

for simply doing his job as a journalist? absolutely!

Nobody considers Tucker to be a journalist.

Even Putin knows this.

[diamenz]

Bro u kinda missing the point that ukraine is also a player in this war, and they kinda want to fight. Why musk and a lot of people asume that west is pushing them to frontline with guns put to their head, when given history of humans u will always find motivated guys ready to fight against invader.

it's the ultra-nationalists that still want to fight and unfortunately they hold the most political power. everybody else, including the soldiers and officers, know that the counter-offensive is over as well as is the war. low morale as well as diminished numbers of untrained soldiers spells nothing but doom for the ukrainian army.

[bladefd]

it's the ultra-nationalists that still want to fight and unfortunately they hold the most political power. everybody else, including the soldiers and officers, know that the counter-offensive is over as well as is the war. low morale as well as diminished numbers of untrained soldiers spells nothing but doom for the ukrainian army.

If Russia has already won, then Russia can just hold the line. They don't need to do anything further. There is nothing else to it if Russia wasn't the aggressor. They have a buffer line already.

And if the counter-offensive is over as you say then that's it for them. There is no Biden administration or NATO telling Ukraine to go on another offensive to reclaim lost land.

If Russia has no intention of taking over Ukraine, then the "special operation" completed its objective. It's over, right?

[diamenz]

If Russia has already won, then Russia can just hold the line. They don't need to do anything further. There is nothing else to it if Russia wasn't the aggressor. They have a buffer line already.

And if the counter-offensive is over as you say then that's it for them. There is no Biden administration or NATO telling Ukraine to go on another offensive to reclaim lost land.

If Russia has no intention of taking over Ukraine, then the "special operation" completed its objective. It's over, right?

that's not the way war works. that's not the way peace is achieved. it's either going to be through a peaceful settlement from the west or the russian domination of the ukrainian capital of kiev and the capture or killing of zelensky and his cohorts.

...something tells me you already know this.

[jstern]

The interview currently has 16 million views on YouTube, yet if you got to YouTube and type in "Tucker Carlson Putin Interview" the interview is nowhere to be found. Only coverage from ABC, CNN, etc.

And this is why I don't respect people like Blade, even though I like him, Off the Court, Axe, and I respect Jasper due to his age. But I don't respect Off the Court, Blade, Axe, because they support that type of suppression, that benefits the few and doesn't benefit them at all one bit. (Though I think there's hope for Axe, since unlike Blade/Off the Court, I believe that deep down he's against puberty blockers.) They are cowardly people.

[BurningHammer]

The interview currently has 16 million views on YouTube, yet if you got to YouTube and type in "Tucker Carlson Putin Interview" the interview is nowhere to be found. Only coverage from ABC, CNN, etc.

And this is why I don't respect people like Blade, even though I like him, Off the Court, Axe, and I respect Jasper due to his age. But I don't respect Off the Court, Blade, Axe, because they support that type of suppression, that benefits the few and doesn't benefit them at all one bit. (Though I think there's hope for Axe, since unlike Blade/Off the Court, I believe that deep down he's against puberty blockers.) They are cowardly people.

Blade, Off the Court, Axe, Jasper... The Four Horsemen!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_GDQj53IQ

[bladefd]

that's not the way war works. that's not the way peace is achieved. it's either going to be through a peaceful settlement from the west or the russian domination of the ukrainian capital of kiev and the capture or killing of zelensky and his cohorts.

...something tells me you already know this.

North Korea and South Korea never had a peace treaty officially ending that war. Russia can dig in and just hold the line. They don't have to capture Kiev if that wasn't the goal.

Was that the goal to capture Kiev and take over Ukraine? You tell me what the goal of this "special operation" was.

[bladefd]

Blade, Off the Court, Axe, Jasper... The Four Horsemen!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_GDQj53IQ

You are one of us, too!

:cheers:

[jstern]

Blade, Off the Court, Axe, Jasper... The Four Horsemen!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_GDQj53IQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbDsjqrrNwY

My understanding is that one of them killed his family, I'm guessing he's the Off the Court.

[diamenz]

North Korea and South Korea never had a peace treaty officially ending that war. Russia can dig in and just hold the line. They don't have to capture Kiev if that wasn't the goal.

Was that the goal to capture Kiev and take over Ukraine? You tell me what the goal of this "special operation" was.

bro. russia's primary goals in this war are both a neutral ukraine and regime change in the capital. capturing kiev achieves both of these objectives.


https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-81ecb486b8a1057ad4f15e15ef4e0b46-pjlq

[bladefd]

bro. russia's primary goals in this war are both a neutral ukraine and regime change in the capital. capturing kiev achieves both of these objectives.


https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-81ecb486b8a1057ad4f15e15ef4e0b46-pjlq

So it was an invasion by Russia. The "special operation" was the propaganda term.

[diamenz]

So it was an invasion by Russia. The "special operation" was the propaganda term.

hey man, call it whatever you want at this point.

i've done my best to open your mind to what's really going on over there or at the least give you a different perspective. you don't seem to want to consider it in any regard. you just keep asking gotcha questions. you don't seem interested. so god speed bro.

[diamenz]

and i'm sorry i should leave well enough alone but you have very poor reading comprehension skills and ability to intake information. it's almost as if you gloss over people's posts and proceed to say something totally insignificant and beside the point. this is perfectly demonstrated in our exchange above. but whatever, i'm done. you exhaust me.

[CeltsGarlic]

it's the ultra-nationalists that still want to fight and unfortunately they hold the most political power. everybody else, including the soldiers and officers, know that the counter-offensive is over as well as is the war. low morale as well as diminished numbers of untrained soldiers spells nothing but doom for the ukrainian army.

Bro but thats your opinion, just like i have mine. And i live in lithuania, personally know people from both sides and had absurd amount of discussions with all types of russians and ukrainians. Its legit too long to list general opinions but to sum it up russians are imperialstic as hell with their “ but why we (ex soviets) dont live together anymore everybody was happy” lol but it comes mostly from more stupid russians smarter ones either dont touch it or are against russias agression.
Ukrainians are mixed bag, they in general dont have the best reputation, but they hate russians like crazy now even willing to fight and die and thats the truth. Yeah the country is corrupt as hell and ukrainians are sleezy people but the hate for russians is so strong u have no idea. So all this shit u say about only that only the top echelon wants to fight is incorrect. Stop spreading bs.

And btw got to be aware that if ur trying to get an general view of the conflict from twitter be careful cause that shit is mega pro russia, musk been doing wonders

[Bill Gates]

it's the ultra-nationalists that still want to fight and unfortunately they hold the most political power. everybody else, including the soldiers and officers, know that the counter-offensive is over as well as is the war. low morale as well as diminished numbers of untrained soldiers spells nothing but doom for the ukrainian army.

Russian and Ukraine have been near land locked for almost 2 years now, Russia has made no progress. You think the morale in Russia is high?

[diamenz]

Bro but thats your opinion, just like i have mine. And i live in lithuania, personally know people from both sides and had absurd amount of discussions with all types of russians and ukrainians. Its legit too long to list general opinions but to sum it up russians are imperialstic as hell with their “ but why we (ex soviets) dont live together anymore everybody was happy” lol but it comes mostly from more stupid russians smarter ones either dont touch it or are against russias agression.
Ukrainians are mixed bag, they in general dont have the best reputation, but they hate russians like crazy now even willing to fight and die and thats the truth. Yeah the country is corrupt as hell and ukrainians are sleezy people but the hate for russians is so strong u have no idea. So all this shit u say about only that only the top echelon wants to fight is incorrect. Stop spreading bs.

And btw got to be aware that if ur trying to get an general view of the conflict from twitter be careful cause that shit is mega pro russia, musk been doing wonders

i definitely value your input much more than an american spewing cable news talking points. :cheers:

[diamenz]

Russian and Ukraine have been near land locked for almost 2 years now, Russia has made no progress. You think the morale in Russia is high?

i've gone over this aspect of the war at least twice in either this thread or the other two ukrainian threads in both this subforum as well as the one in otc.

[Bill Gates]

i've gone over this aspect of the war at least twice in either this thread or the other two ukrainian threads in both this subforum as well as the one in otc.

Please forgive me for not having read over every post on this forum. It was a rhetorical question anyway, it didn't really require your response.

[BurningHammer]

You are one of us, too!

:cheers:
Eh. I am on the less stupid side. :oldlol:

[diamenz]

It was a rhetorical question anyway, it didn't really require your response.

sure it did. you quoted my post and asked a question. i didn't read it as being rhetorical.


Please forgive me for not having read over every post on this forum.

your question is already addressed a mere ONE page back.

www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?516313-The-Tucker-Carlson-Vladimir-Putin-Interview&p=14883248&viewfull=1#post14883248

[diamenz]

Eh. I am on the less stupid side. :oldlol:

https://www.maungzarni.net/files/uploads/image013.jpg

[CeltsGarlic]

i definitely value your input much more than an american spewing cable news talking points.

I can share 2 random stories from both sides. One is my fathers cousin who buys marble and similar stone in russia and makes graves in lithuania. He has a quarry in karelia which he had to sell because of invasion cause you cant be a lithuanian and do business in russia now, all he got is 4mills even tho its worth way more, but thats not the point. He told us that all around russia ,except moscow and st. peter , there are almost no cops and waay less homeless and drunks cause they all got send to war lol. I cant confirm it, but hes not the lying type nor political and it was told to him by a lot of locals at bars etc.

The other story is I was really surprised in tenerife (spanish island near marocco) when I heard like half the people speaking ukrainian there. They get like a lot of money from eu to live in eu. I dont know the amount maybe Im even incorrect but I was also told this by zelensky hating taxi driver in poland lol

[bladefd]

hey man, call it whatever you want at this point.

i've done my best to open your mind to what's really going on over there or at the least give you a different perspective. you don't seem to want to consider it in any regard. you just keep asking gotcha questions. you don't seem interested. so god speed bro.

It was a rhetorical point I made. It's ironic the levels you go to defend clear Russian propaganda, including the "limited special operations" nonsense and "we have no intention of overthrowing the Ukraine government" bs and whatever other nonsense putin has been spouting since 2 years ago. You yourself know what is what, but you don't want to call a duck a duck. You prefer calling it a white bird with yellow beak but not a duck.

[rmt]

Color me cynical at all these (recent) Russian happenings - funny how 2 Russian events pop up in as many days to put pressure on passing Ukraine aid.

[bladefd]

Color me cynical at all these (recent) Russian happenings - funny how 2 Russian events pop up in as many days to put pressure on passing Ukraine aid.

Might be something right out of the bush/cheney playbook