Just who was John Starks?

[Hey Yo]

https://youtu.be/8m0bnR9cYsA?si=NVZSUPkC5lQkK0Lm

[Kblaze8855]

A literal grocery bagger. At Safeway if I remember correctly. Slightly related…Safeway? Good rotisserie chicken. Nationwide rotisserie chicken ranking?

Wegmans
HEB
Safeway
Publix
Sams
Costco

Costcos is overhyped. Lives off size and price. No flavor though. Useful for other recipes though.


Anyway….in retrospect I respect Starks.

Didnt **** with him much at the time though. One of those non stars who earned a big name playing in New York and being streaky and aggressive. Imagine Pat Beverly with more athletic ability and offensive aggression.

Just a pest. But good to have on your side.

[RogueBorg]

He was a punk, Reggie Lewis' whipping boy.

[Patrick Chewing]

A game-7 choker :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

A game-7 choker :facepalm

Is it choking when you aren't that good to begin with? 41% shooter. 34% from 3. What were you expecting him to do?

[SouBeachTalents]

Is it choking when you aren't that good to begin with? 41% shooter. 34% from 3. What were you expecting him to do?
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect an NBA starter to do better than 2/18.

[ArbitraryWater]

Is it choking when you aren't that good to begin with? 41% shooter. 34% from 3. What were you expecting him to do?

not go 2/18?


classic Xiao

[Xiao Yao You]

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect an NBA starter to do better than 2/18.

when you're an inefficient shooter that's what you're going to get. Bring him off the bench if you expect more

[Xiao Yao You]

I know I wasn't exccited when he came to Utah on the downside of his career. I think Sloan was stupid enough to start him too

[Xiao Yao You]

His last 2 years here. 28 minutes a game the first year. Shot 40%/35% from 3. Fell off a cliff his final year. Ouch!

[FKAri]

Is it choking when you aren't that good to begin with?
The question that lies in the middle of most choking debates.


I know I wasn't exccited when he came to Utah on the downside of his career. I think Sloan was stupid enough to start him too
You hate Sloan too? Who did you actually like?

[Xiao Yao You]

The question that lies in the middle of most choking debates.


You hate Sloan too? Who did you actually like?

Hate is a strong word. Certainly don't think job security makes one great though, Like lots of guys, Like more guys than I don't like.

[Patrick Chewing]

Is it choking when you aren't that good to begin with? 41% shooter. 34% from 3. What were you expecting him to do?



You can't go 2-18 in Game 7. He choked plain and simple. And 34% from 3 is pretty good. The previous 3 games he was over 50% shooting and in the most important game of the series, he just kept shooting and shooting the more and more he missed. Still pisses me off.

[Xiao Yao You]

You can't go 2-18 in Game 7. He choked plain and simple. And 34% from 3 is pretty good. The previous 3 games he was over 50% shooting and in the most important game of the series, he just kept shooting and shooting the more and more he missed. Still pisses me off.

34% sucks. Didn't suck as much then as now but it's not good. He was due for a bad game if he'd been 50% in the previous 3. Again a low efficiency shooter. Going to even out at some point

[Absolut Prince]

A literal grocery bagger. At Safeway if I remember correctly. Slightly related…Safeway? Good rotisserie chicken. Nationwide rotisserie chicken ranking?

Wegmans
HEB
Safeway
Publix
Sams
Costco

Costcos is overhyped. Lives off size and price. No flavor though. Useful for other recipes though.


Anyway….in retrospect I respect Starks.

Didnt **** with him much at the time though. One of those non stars who earned a big name playing in New York and being streaky and aggressive. Imagine Pat Beverly with more athletic ability and offensive aggression.

Just a pest. But good to have on your side.

Glad to see you're still alive, Kev

[Kblaze8855]

I was Thinking about you recently in some political discussion. I remember you mentioned you or your dad having Republican contacts. I could be a solid political fraud right winger just making the argument white people love to hear Black people making. Now that it’s a part of maga it’s off the table though.

[SATAN]

Even Chewing had to step in and correct Xiao's garbage take :oldlol:

[imdaman99]

He carried them in game 6. Almost won them the series if it wasn't for a dramatic clutch block by Olajuwon. Yeah he was shit in game 7 but Ewing only played well in 1 game the entire series. Starks is a Knicks fan fav for life. He still comes to the games and the fans love him. I wear his jersey every time I go to a game. He was all heart. NY appreciates that but there are def fans that hate him for the game 7.

[Absolut Prince]

I was Thinking about you recently in some political discussion. I remember you mentioned you or your dad having Republican contacts. I could be a solid political fraud right winger just making the argument white people love to hear Black people making. Now that it’s a part of maga it’s off the table though.

That was half of Clubhouse, half of current Twitter Spaces, and a bunch of dudes on TikTok. I went deep into the world. It's 95% grift. There are some oddballs who went from BHI or baptist to MAGA. Though, the reality is, you see a lot of black Democrats running on tough on crime platforms and beating out progressives. Philly's new major is a black woman who has talking points that sound very GOP. She's just tired of seeing crime in black neighborhoods, which pisses off progressives but is catnip for the white supremacists.

[Suns4Life]

That was half of Clubhouse, half of current Twitter Spaces, and a bunch of dudes on TikTok. I went deep into the world. It's 95% grift. There are some oddballs who went from BHI or baptist to MAGA. Though, the reality is, you see a lot of black Democrats running on tough on crime platforms and beating out progressives. Philly's new major is a black woman who has talking points that sound very GOP. She's just tired of seeing crime in black neighborhoods, which pisses off progressives but is catnip for the white supremacists.

Some things never change

[Kblaze8855]

Did someone Send up a flare? I refuse to believe this is coincidence.

[Absolut Prince]

Did someone Send up a flare? I refuse to believe this is coincidence.

I saw some username on r/NBA that reminded me of the Quad Seoson thread and sent up a flare to Suns

[Suns4Life]

Did someone Send up a flare? I refuse to believe this is coincidence.

It's our 20 something year reunion. Time to get the band back together, big dawg

[kawhileonard2]

He is peak Klay Thompson.

[Kblaze8855]

It's our 20 something year reunion. Time to get the band back together, big dawg

Euro and carbine are still here. Gobb as well. Carbine was recently claiming I was holding him back in the Mycrew era. He was lucky I had no witnesses to call.

[Kblaze8855]

I saw some username on r/NBA that reminded me of the Quad Seoson thread and sent up a flare to Suns

based on our history, I feel like Reddit isn’t the type of place for us. Tens of thousands of people on every topic? I need an intimate group of 100 or less. We lasted 10-12 years with like 25 people.

[Pointguard]

He carried them in game 6. Almost won them the series if it wasn't for a dramatic clutch block by Olajuwon. Yeah he was shit in game 7 but Ewing only played well in 1 game the entire series. Starks is a Knicks fan fav for life. He still comes to the games and the fans love him. I wear his jersey every time I go to a game. He was all heart. NY appreciates that but there are def fans that hate him for the game 7.

Yeah, talk about a guy who was all heart. Only guy who gets as much love as Starks in the world's most famous arena is Clyde. Dude was all heart. He was going to go down with all he had. And overachieved for the most part. He was bag packer that kept that code of live your sweat. Yea, I hear you on this.

[Suns4Life]

based on our history, I feel like Reddit isn’t the type of place for us. Tens of thousands of people on every topic? I need an intimate group of 100 or less. We lasted 10-12 years with like 25 people.

Host a get together for us in one of your many houses

[Absolut Prince]

based on our history, I feel like Reddit isn’t the type of place for us. Tens of thousands of people on every topic? I need an intimate group of 100 or less. We lasted 10-12 years with like 25 people.

I needed more obscurity and a place to see boobs that weren't Lasherra's

[Kblaze8855]

Host a get together for us in one of your many houses


All that’s been gone since the start of Covid when it helped my “**** a job” transition tremendously. I’m down to 2 and one is gonna be gone once the kitchen is finished and I change the home office back to a bedroom.

Was gonna buy another in Port St. Lucie but the insurance is murder so I might actually end up in Texas.

[CountDracula]

https://i.ibb.co/pxBnt4k/A65-F7-B2-F-1-D02-4-C08-B965-F465-C40-F381-D.jpg (https://ibb.co/wRFY9p2)

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[Carbine]

Suns4lyfe can absolutely confirm everything I ever said about you in 2K.

[Kblaze8855]

^
Comfortably the worst 2K player in history and the personal author of our greatest defeat.

[Carbine]

You were the Doncic to his Brunson. You were always holding him back with your 90 percent dribble rate. When you were out he thrived.

[Kblaze8855]

Except for the whole 30 or so game win streak I believe ended when you tried to do too much instead of knowing your role.

[SATAN]

Just who was Mark Eaton though?

https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/0/6/5/1/06518855ce4f4c2e/Art_-_TDH_108_-_Mark_Eaton_Art_2_-_Tile_-_.jpg

[Xiao Yao You]

Just who was Mark Eaton though?

https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/0/6/5/1/06518855ce4f4c2e/Art_-_TDH_108_-_Mark_Eaton_Art_2_-_Tile_-_.jpg

:facepalm

[Suns4Life]

All that’s been gone since the start of Covid when it helped my “**** a job” transition tremendously. I’m down to 2 and one is gonna be gone once the kitchen is finished and I change the home office back to a bedroom.

Was gonna buy another in Port St. Lucie but the insurance is murder so I might actually end up in Texas.

Texas or Nevada would be the places to go to help that transition if Florida and avoiding child support isn't working out for you. Where were you looking? I actually moved back to Texas semi-recently.

[Suns4Life]

^
Comfortably the worst 2K player in history and the personal author of our greatest defeat.

Its true, Carlton in the Fresh Prince episode embodied.

[kawhileonard2]

:facepalm

He would have done this to Lebron each and every time. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?462304-Which-was-the-better-block-on-Lebron-both-against-Brooklyn

[Kblaze8855]

Texas or Nevada would be the places to go to help that transition if Florida and avoiding child support isn't working out for you. Where were you looking? I actually moved back to Texas semi-recently.

I stumbled into a long-term thing with a trust fund baby who decided she could afford to quit working when I did. So it’s just been a lot of travel for the last three years. I’ve been all over the place. Turns out I like San Antonio. I’ve always liked Austin and she does too now that we have been like 4 times. She wants us to go half on a house up in the hills out there. Dallas and Houston are doing a bit too much.

[Kblaze8855]

Its true, Carlton in the Fresh Prince episode embodied.

he’s been talking shit for years because I didn’t have a witness readily available to set the record straight. After I was actually calling plays for that bum ass big man he forced onto us. I was his biggest supporter.

[TJ44]

Referring to some older Posts:
Yes, Starks choked in Game 7 in the Finals against Houston but he contributed very much to bring the Team to the Finals.
Without him, maybe they couldn´t even have reached the Finals.

Starks was a great Player and tough to play against.

[TheMan]

Referring to some older Posts:
Yes, Starks choked in Game 7 in the Finals against Houston but he contributed very much to bring the Team to the Finals.
Without him, maybe they couldn´t even have reached the Finals.

Starks was a great Player and tough to play against.

Hated those Knicks as a Bulls fan. Oddly enough, I was rooting for them vs HOU. Starks got most of the blame but Ewing should have stepped up more.

[basketballcat]

First class plumber. Fixed a clog in my kitchen sink once. Nice guy.

[Pointguard]

Hated those Knicks as a Bulls fan. Oddly enough, I was rooting for them vs HOU. Starks got most of the blame but Ewing should have stepped up more.

Yesh, Ewing didn't want anything to do with the ball. Only one player on the knicks did: Starks didn't shrink from the moment and took on the responsibility though it was never his job. Fight for the glory and if you got it in you, be about it. He was the captain of the ship that night.

[Round Mound]

Underized SG. Played in the CBA before joining the NBA. Fierce competitor and had more heart than the whole nba today. In today's game the other player would be afraid of him. He played with real passion. Something that today's nba lacks.

[warriorfan]

a respectable, journeyman, 1 time all star; much in the mold of jason terry



Yes. It’s definitely an all-time black mark. It’s clear cut the GOAT choke in NBA history. It’s been stated here many times and never been refuted. To be honest I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a LeBron stan never attempt to refute it. That is why they all try to sweep it under the rug and pretend it does not exist…unfortunately for them, it does exist, it happened, it’s not going away, it’s the goat choke.

To put this goat choke into perspective. Let’s imagine if Michael Jordan did what LeBron did. Lebron left his originally drafted team to join with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league. (They were all in the same conference as well. The historically weak eastern conference ) Only to end up losing in the NBA Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry despite logging many more minutes. (67 more minutes) https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2011-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-heat.html

https://i.postimg.cc/269Fz3Vc/388-F67-C3-A4-D7-417-B-A7-EA-A70-BF1912-F02.jpg


To put this into perspective that would be like if Michael Jordan left the bulls in his prime and joined with Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley....Only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by a 33 year old Byron Scott.

https://i.postimg.cc/V6vnH1Dj/48-B72-EF7-775-C-4-CAA-BDC3-5-CE1-C2-E5-BD6-B.jpg



If this goat choke was committed by Jordan it would eliminate him from any sort of goat contention. Even with the rest of Jordan’s flawless career it would still be not enough to overcome the goat choke.

I am actually a LeBron fan so I can unbiasedly say that I disappointedly realized that his legacy was over in 2011. The writing was on the wall during the 2010 decision and by 2011 we have all seen enough. The talk shifted from goat to hopefully LeBron can crack the top 10. If we are being easy on LeBron with a Homer take, 2011 counts as a negative ring at least. If you stack that up with some of his other questionable titles in lockout seasons or in exhibition style games….LeBron’s career has many holes and starts to fall apart, especially under more careful scrutiny.





mods: no bron stans touching this with a 10 foot pole, you can close this now

[Pointguard]

a respectable, journeyman, 1 time all star; much in the mold of jason terry


Yes. It’s definitely an all-time black mark. It’s clear cut the GOAT choke in NBA history. It’s been stated here many times and never been refuted. To be honest I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a LeBron stan never attempt to refute it. That is why they all try to sweep it under the rug and pretend it does not exist…unfortunately for them, it does exist, it happened, it’s not going away, it’s the goat choke.



Are you talking about Starks or Lebron here?

[warriorfan]

Are you talking about Starks or Lebron here?

Did John Starks ever join up with 2 of the top 4 PER in the league and promise 7 titles saying “it’s going to be easy”, only to subsequently get out scored in the Finals by a zero time all star, past prime, undersized sg, despite playing 67 more minutes?

Asking for a friend.

[Airupthere]

a respectable, journeyman, 1 time all star; much in the mold of jason terry



Yes. It’s definitely an all-time black mark. It’s clear cut the GOAT choke in NBA history. It’s been stated here many times and never been refuted. To be honest I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a LeBron stan never attempt to refute it. That is why they all try to sweep it under the rug and pretend it does not exist…unfortunately for them, it does exist, it happened, it’s not going away, it’s the goat choke.

To put this goat choke into perspective. Let’s imagine if Michael Jordan did what LeBron did. Lebron left his originally drafted team to join with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league. (They were all in the same conference as well. The historically weak eastern conference ) Only to end up losing in the NBA Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry despite logging many more minutes. (67 more minutes) https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2011-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-heat.html

https://i.postimg.cc/269Fz3Vc/388-F67-C3-A4-D7-417-B-A7-EA-A70-BF1912-F02.jpg


To put this into perspective that would be like if Michael Jordan left the bulls in his prime and joined with Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley....Only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by a 33 year old Byron Scott.

https://i.postimg.cc/V6vnH1Dj/48-B72-EF7-775-C-4-CAA-BDC3-5-CE1-C2-E5-BD6-B.jpg



If this goat choke was committed by Jordan it would eliminate him from any sort of goat contention. Even with the rest of Jordan’s flawless career it would still be not enough to overcome the goat choke.

I am actually a LeBron fan so I can unbiasedly say that I disappointedly realized that his legacy was over in 2011. The writing was on the wall during the 2010 decision and by 2011 we have all seen enough. The talk shifted from goat to hopefully LeBron can crack the top 10. If we are being easy on LeBron with a Homer take, 2011 counts as a negative ring at least. If you stack that up with some of his other questionable titles in lockout seasons or in exhibition style games….LeBron’s career has many holes and starts to fall apart, especially under more careful scrutiny.





mods: no bron stans touching this with a 10 foot pole, you can close this now

:applause:

[jayfan]

He carried them in game 6. Almost won them the series if it wasn't for a dramatic clutch block by Olajuwon. Yeah he was shit in game 7 but Ewing only played well in 1 game the entire series. Starks is a Knicks fan fav for life. He still comes to the games and the fans love him. I wear his jersey every time I go to a game. He was all heart. NY appreciates that but there are def fans that hate him for the game 7.
Referring to some older Posts:
Yes, Starks choked in Game 7 in the Finals against Houston but he contributed very much to bring the Team to the Finals.
Without him, maybe they couldn´t even have reached the Finals.

Starks was a great Player and tough to play against.


These. Wasn't he the spark of the team that season?

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