Michael Jordan’s record without the great Scottie Pippen

[Lebron23]

154-170 in the regular season, 1-9 in the playoffs. Pippen also
Lead the bulls in total assists rebounds blocks and steals in their championship run. Jordan also played with some 22 ppg 29.8 ppg and 23 ppg scorer in Orlando Wooldridge, Jerry Stackhouse and Richard Hamilton and they lacked playoffs success. And missed the playoffs.

[SATAN]

Good thread. 5 stars.

[Lebron23]

Good thread. 5 stars.

3ball said put jordan with another 22 ppg scorer and his team was capable of winning an nba title. Jordan played with those scorers and missed the playoffs. Pippen also the one who defended the best players of the other teams.

[Xiao Yao You]

:facepalm

[Axe]

Interesting.

[And1AllDay]

3ball said put jordan with another 22 ppg scorer and his team was capable of winning an nba title. Jordan played with those scorers and missed the playoffs. Pippen also the one who defended the best players of the other teams.

gottem :pimp:

[beasted]

Let's reset this thread to something more than message board drivel.

Rookies don't have expectations. No rookie in the history of the league, Magic included would be faulted for anything that happened. And 2nd year players who miss roughly 80% of the season cannot realistically be held accountable for any results of the season (regular and playoffs included).

So now that we've set the table, what did Jordan do in his 3rd season compared to other greats? How did his stats compare to other 3rd year players? Make your point

[Xiao Yao You]

Let's reset this thread to something more than message board drivel.

Rookies don't have expectations. No rookie in the history of the league, Magic included would be faulted for anything that happened. And 2nd year players who miss roughly 80% of the season cannot realistically be held accountable for any results of the season (regular and playoffs included).

So now that we've set the table, what did Jordan do in his 3rd season compared to other greats? How did his stats compare to other 3rd year players? Make your point

doesn't really matter apparently. That wasn't even modern basketball I've been told recently. He didn't have one of the greatest rookie seasons ever after all so his 3rd season is prehistory as well

[Airupthere]

Let's reset this thread to something more than message board drivel.

Rookies don't have expectations. No rookie in the history of the league, Magic included would be faulted for anything that happened. And 2nd year players who miss roughly 80% of the season cannot realistically be held accountable for any results of the season (regular and playoffs included).

So now that we've set the table, what did Jordan do in his 3rd season compared to other greats? How did his stats compare to other 3rd year players? Make your point

OP might think drivel is what you do to move the ball in the court.

[Overdrive]

Lebron missed the playoffs with Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Anthony Davis, Rajon Rondo and Russell Westbrook on the roster.

[BlackMamba8]

Lebron missed the playoffs with Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Anthony Davis, Rajon Rondo and Russell Westbrook on the roster.

Got him......Lebron has made the most trades on the lakers since he came......let this sink in....hes made the MOST trades on the lakers since he came....and hes still losing......just like OP....he loses in real life because hes stuck in a 3rd world country while his mom whores herself out

[Carbine]

Lakers won a title and made the WCF another time.

LeBron's LA stint can't be looked upon as anything other than a success. It's extremely hard to win a championship, which he helped bring back to LA.

[BlackMamba8]

Lakers won a title and made the WCF another time.

LeBron's LA stint can't be looked upon as anything other than a success. It's extremely hard to win a championship, which he helped bring back to LA.

If he did bring it back.....why did he miss the playoffs his first year as a laker? Dont say "he was injured". When AD came that next year they barely won a bubble chip against an injured heat team without 2 of their stars. Imagine not having 2 of their star players and barely beating a team 4-2 and everything is rigged to help you win. LMAO

[Soundwave]

No one really cares about any of this shit, lol.

You're supposed to lose early in your career anyway, that's how it's supposed to work. You're not supposed to be handed everything on a silver platter, the point of sports is to struggle and overcome and then eventually you become a champion.

No one is going to care if Wembanyama has a losing record after 3 years in the league if he then later on wins 6 freaking titles in 6 straight full seasons.

If anything the general public likes that. They want to see their athletes struggle and have to earn things and not just be drafted to a perfect team and win immediately. The whole narrative that Jordan had to struggle with a shit team and eventually built them into a dynasty makes him more popular with the public, not less. Understand that.

People don't like that LeBron tried to cheat that process by going and super-teaming, same with Durant. Because they view that as violation of their entire process. Those two players will never be beloved by the public in the same way because they did that.

[Full Court]

Got him......Lebron has made the most trades on the lakers since he came......let this sink in....hes made the MOST trades on the lakers since he came....and hes still losing......just like OP....he loses in real life because hes stuck in a 3rd world country while his mom whores herself out

:lebronamazed:

[theman93]

Lebron missed the playoffs his first year in the West LOL

[SATAN]

The guys with LBJDS can't even stay on topic. :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Lebron missed the playoffs his first year in the West LOL

aiming to miss it this year too. At least he's consistent

[TheMan]

MJ's first playoffs series win saw MJ averaging 40 ppg on 52% FG along with 8 asts, 6 rebs, 3 stls and hitting the series winning shot at the buzzer compared to Pippen's 15 pts pg on 40% FG with 4 asts, 8 rebs, 1.5 stls...so CLEARLY it was because of Pip the Bulls won that series...

OP is an idiot

[SATAN]

MJ's first playoffs series win saw MJ averaging 40 ppg on 52% FG along with 8 asts, 6 rebs, 3 stls and hitting the series hitting shot at the buzzer compared to Pippen's 15 pts pg on 40% FG with 4 asts, 8 rebs, 1.5 stls...so CLEARLY it was because of Pip the Bulls won that series.

OP is an idiot

lol@the cherry picking :oldlol:

[TheMan]

lol@the cherry picking :oldlol:

How is it cherrypicking?

[BlackMamba8]

154-170 in the regular season, 1-9 in the playoffs. Pippen also
Lead the bulls in total assists rebounds blocks and steals in their championship run. Jordan also played with some 22 ppg 29.8 ppg and 23 ppg scorer in Orlando Wooldridge, Jerry Stackhouse and Richard Hamilton and they lacked playoffs success. And missed the playoffs.

What is seriously wrong with you? Did someone drop you on your head as a child? smh

[Hey Yo]

Lebron missed the playoffs his first year in the West LOL
Not every team has the luxury of getting in with just 30 wins like the 86 Bulls.

[Xiao Yao You]

Not every team has the luxury of getting in with just 30 wins like the 86 Bulls.

nor playing in a weak conference most of their career

[BlackMamba8]

How many trades lakers made since lebron james came......lets see

[Hey Yo]

nor playing in a weak conference most of their career
Whose fault is that?

[Baller234]

MJ and Lebron were both dealt similar hands. They were both drafted to last place bottom feeding franchises. MJ persevered, Lebron didn't.

And don't say that Lebron didn't have the talent. They were already a contending team and were maybe one piece away from being championship level. If Bron stays committed to Cleveland they would've recruited that missing piece.

[Hey Yo]

Cleveland lost Boozer after Lebron's rookie year.

Tried to get Michael Redd (who grew up 60 miles from Cleveland) in the summer of 2005 but he chose money over Cleveland. Ended up overpaying Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones.

Larry Hughes and his injuries was a catastrophe.

Big Z was toast by this time and Shaq was a decent upgrade

Tried to persuade Bosh to sign in the summer of 2010 but chose Miami instead.

It's not like Cleveland didn't try to upgrade but it's just hard to believe / bank on that a 2nd star UFA would eventually sign with Cleveland

[ImKobe]

The great Scottie Pippen just said that MJ is the GOAT

https://twitter.com/NBABeyondCourt/status/1762416336595304893

Bran stans are FUMING

[SATAN]

Oh Scottie isn't a jealous idiot all of a sudden because he said the magic words. Got it. Also, ADMVP! :oldlol:

:facepalm

[RogueBorg]

How is it cherrypicking?

You didn't cherrypick. His response was his best effort at a rebuttal.

[RogueBorg]

The great Scottie Pippen just said that MJ is the GOAT

https://twitter.com/NBABeyondCourt/status/1762416336595304893

Bran stans are FUMING

Scottie is the GOAT of flip-flopping. He probably comes to ISH, reads the crap slewed forth here and goes on the offensive against MJ. Then he realizes he needs a break from it and realizes how stupid he sounds and flips back.

[SATAN]

You didn't cherrypick. His response was his best effort at a rebuttal.

Yes he did, you ****ing low IQ idiot.

[Soundwave]

The great Scottie Pippen just said that MJ is the GOAT

https://twitter.com/NBABeyondCourt/status/1762416336595304893

Bran stans are FUMING

You know you're the GOAT when a guy will admit this while his son is banging his ex-wife, lol.

[TheMan]

Yes he did, you ****ing low IQ idiot.

MJ was the main reason they won anything at all. You're the low IQ idiot if you believe otherwise. Every great needs a team around him, even your mancrush LeBron (moar halp!) needed star support but in the end, it's the main guy who has to bring the chip and in the Bulls case, it was MJ. So I pointed it out to the moron OP that in MJ's first series win, that was the stat line. I can post more stat lines of a bunch more series and Finals where MJ is clearly the best player but your lazy ass can find it yourself and to be honest, I'd be wasting my time since you clearly are an MJ hating troll or legit that dimwitted.

[SATAN]

Pippen also
Lead the bulls in total assists rebounds blocks and steals in their championship run.

:bowdown:

[FKAri]

So you're saying that not only was MJ bad but he was also a bitch? Damnit. Why is every GOAT candidate in my favorite sport a beta bitch? It's so ****ing embarrassing.

[TheMan]

:bowdown:

You didn't address my dress down of your dumb post.

Hug this L, fool.

[1987_Lakers]

Scottie is the GOAT of flip-flopping.

Pippen flip flops more than Manny.

I've seen him call Kobe the GOAT back in 2006 or 2007, then go back to MJ, then LeBron, then back to MJ. :lol

[TheMan]

154-170 in the regular season, 1-9 in the playoffs. Pippen also
Lead the bulls in total assists rebounds blocks and steals in their championship run. Jordan also played with some 22 ppg 29.8 ppg and 23 ppg scorer in Orlando Wooldridge, Jerry Stackhouse and Richard Hamilton and they lacked playoffs success. And missed the playoffs.

Easy question, how many MVPs and FMVPs does the great Scottie Pippen have in comparison to MJ? I'm a huge fan of Pip but you low IQ Bran Stans prop him up to throw shade at MJ...you can rebound and assist all you want but in the end of the day, you need someone who gets you those hard fought buckets in crunch time to get the W. Pretty telling PJax wanted Kukoc to take the last second shot over Pip while MJ was shagging flyballs in a must win game, no? FOH :lol

[TheMan]

Pippen flip flops more than Manny.

I've seen him call Kobe the GOAT back in 2006 or 2007, then go back to MJ, then LeBron, then back to MJ. :lol

I take whatever Scottie Pippen says with a huge grain of salt...and he's my second favorite all time player...and to clarify, he called James the best all around player in history while at that same time frame said there isn't a must win game where he'd choose LeBron over MJ :lol

[SATAN]

You didn't address my dress down of your dumb post.

Hug this L, fool.

You cherry picked a single series and tried to disregard most of what OP wrote then had the nerve to deny it.


154-170 in the regular season, 1-9 in the playoffs.

:rolleyes:

[TheMan]

You cherry picked a single series and tried to disregard most of what OP wrote then had the nerve to deny it.



:rolleyes:

Show me a series where Pippen is clearly the better player between MJ and him, go ahead clown. IIRC, there was a series vs NY where Pip went over his usual regular season stats instead of shrinking vs the Knicks but other than that, I can't recall one. I'm genuinely curious to see if you can give me JUST ONE where Pip has superior numbers to MJ and the reason the Bulls won that series...

I'll be waiting and don't go AWOL on me, punk.

[SATAN]

Yeah I'm not reading that.

[Bawkish]

Yeah I'm not reading that.

Translation: Balls shrinkage

[TheMan]

Translation: Balls shrinkage

Yeah, he just accepted a big old L. ****ing coward

[SATAN]

Translation: Balls shrinkage

The guy moves goal posts and is stuck in the 90s. This has been done a million times on this forum. It's a waste of time trying to communicate with deceptive casuals. :confusedshrug:

[Baller234]

Cleveland lost Boozer after Lebron's rookie year.

Tried to get Michael Redd (who grew up 60 miles from Cleveland) in the summer of 2005 but he chose money over Cleveland. Ended up overpaying Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones.

Larry Hughes and his injuries was a catastrophe.

Big Z was toast by this time and Shaq was a decent upgrade

Tried to persuade Bosh to sign in the summer of 2010 but chose Miami instead.

It's not like Cleveland didn't try to upgrade but it's just hard to believe / bank on that a 2nd star UFA would eventually sign with Cleveland

The Cavs made the ECF in 2010, which means they were a contending team. That summer was the hottest free agent class of all time.

If Lebron commits to Cleveland, they win a championship no later than 2012.

[1987_Lakers]

The Cavs made the ECF in 2010, which means they were a contending team. That summer was the hottest free agent class of all time.

If Lebron commits to Cleveland, they win a championship no later than 2012.

They were a contending team solely because of LeBron. It's crazy to say that they win a chip no later than 2012 with the roster he had.

And the Cavs did not make the ECF in 2010.

[WhiteKyrie]

Scottie wasn’t shit in 88 and 89. You do know that right? It’s a strawman argument. Pippen was very good, not greatness.