say what?

[diamenz]

$61 billion for ukraine's borders.

$14 billion for israel's borders.

$6 billion for taiwan's borders.

$0.00 for our border.

what's going on?

why won't our politicians on the hill take action to protect our identity and national security?

why won't the uni-party take action to stop the slaughter in ukraine and gaza?

...because there's no $ in it for them. there's nothing to gain for themselves or their donors.

war keeps the gravy train going and right now the money is flowing... like a flood.

#ukrainefirst

#israelfirst

you last.

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[RRR3]

Russia is the Israel in that situation, not Ukraine. Critical thinking isn't your strong suit.

Also Ukraine is being invaded and America is not :lol

[warriorfan]

RRR3 is gonna follow this up with a facepalm emoji on his satan account

[RRR3]

altfan the obese crack addict projecting as usual.

[warriorfan]

altfan the obese crack addict projecting as usual.

:facepalm

[diamenz]

Russia is the Israel in that situation, not Ukraine. Critical thinking isn't your strong suit.

Also Ukraine is being invaded and America is not :lol

our propping up of ukraine is a lost cause and our endless support is the only reason ukrainians are still dying.

ukraine is on life support. the patient (ukraine) is effectively dead. every time were send another "aid package" all we're doing is giving the patient a shave and a haircut. biden can stop the slaughter with a single phone call signifying that we're out.

you aren't stopping the russians - their military is more formidable than it's ever been and their economy is humming. there's no beating them either outright nor in a war of attrition.

anyway, way to miss the underlying point i was trying to make.

[diamenz]

Also Ukraine is being invaded and America is not :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GENpeq_WQAAfYK8.jpg

[RRR3]

You never have any points, you just regurgitate what right wing media tells you :lol

[diamenz]

You never have any points, you just regurgitate what right wing media tells you :lol

do you wanna have a discussion here or are you bowing out per usual?

[diamenz]

#ukrainefirst / #israelfirst members so far:

rrr3

[RRR3]

#ukrainefirst / #israelfirst members so far:

rrr3
I spent like 30 pages arguing for Palestine, are you retarded?

Short term memory loss? Senile?


This idiot legit can't remember things from a few months ago but expects us to take him seriously about politics.

[warriorfan]

do you wanna have a discussion here or are you bowing out per usual?

He’s gonna bow out and try to reinforce his nonsensical points with a face palm emoji from his other account


aka the rrr3 special. The height of intellectual discussion.

[RRR3]

Known warriorfan alts:

Monta Ellis MVP
Walk On Water
LLL3
Nightlight


And he has the nerve to accuse other people :facepalm

[diamenz]

I spent like 30 pages arguing for Palestine, are you retarded?

Short term memory loss? Senile?

that's fair. however you're still #ukrainefirst and that's where most of the $ is going.

you're in favor of the invasion at the us border, aren't you? don't lie.

[warriorfan]

Known warriorfan alts:

Monta Ellis MVP
Walk On Water
LLL3
Nightlight


And he has the nerve to accuse other people :facepalm

You are mentally ill.

[diamenz]

He’s gonna bow out and try to reinforce his nonsensical points with a face palm emoji from his other account


aka the rrr3 special. The height of intellectual discussion.

he's the most passive-aggressive bitch on this forum.

[RRR3]

that's fair. however you're still #ukrainefirst and that's where most of the $ is going.

you're in favor of the invasion at the us border, aren't you? don't lie.
I think Ukraine has the right to defend themselves from imperialism and colonialism yeah. Anyone with a conscience does.

And what invasion? Who's being attacked? :roll: Yeah anarchists are against borders, no shit.

[diamenz]

just to reiterate, before the point of the op is lost - washington is corrupt and your vote is meaningless.

[warriorfan]

he's the most passive-aggressive bitch on this forum.

What’s funny is most of it stems because he cannot be aggressive even if he wants too, he knows his positions he so often takes don’t have a real leg to stand on, so he subsequently resorts to 3 year old not getting a candy bar at the check out isle style meltdowns.

It’s almost equally pathetic as it is amusing. Leaning a bit on the pathetic side though.

[diamenz]

I think Ukraine has the right to defend themselves from imperialism and colonialism yeah. Anyone with a conscience does.

And what invasion? Who's being attacked? :roll: Yeah anarchists are against borders, no shit.

does russia have the right to defend themselves from nato encroachment as well as a western military front on their border?

imagine china forming an alliance the size and scope of nato and bringing canada and mexico into their ranks. how would we (the us) react?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?516313-The-Tucker-Carlson-Vladimir-Putin-Interview&p=14883122&viewfull=1#post14883122

[diamenz]

he knows his positions he so often takes don’t have a real leg to stand on,

i mean, it's one thing to have an extreme ideology like he does. because hey, whatever - everybody is entitled to their opinions.

...but to completely ignore reality and apply your fantasyland policies to real-world issues is just beyond childish.

[bladefd]

$61 billion for ukraine's borders.

$14 billion for israel's borders.

$6 billion for taiwan's borders.

$0.00 for our border.

what's going on?

why won't our politicians on the hill take action to protect our identity and national security?

why won't the uni-party take action to stop the slaughter in ukraine and gaza?

...because there's no $ in it for them. there's nothing to gain for themselves or their donors.

war keeps the gravy train going and right now the money is flowing... like a flood.

#ukrainefirst

#israelfirst

you last.

https://i.imgflip.com/82sm8p.jpg

https://i.imgflip.com/89dg7a.jpg

First, US spends 25 billion per year for border security. That doesn't even include Homeland Security's 122 billion annual budget.

Second, there was a bipartisan immigration bill ready to go (written by Oklahoma Republican senator), where democrats gave most of the things the GOP wanted including $118 billion extra funding and strict immigration laws. Trump, in wanting to play politics in time for election to not let Biden look good, told Republicans to vote against it. Republicans fell in line like the good sheep they are for Donald the shepherd. I'm sure Americans saw that, and I suspect Republicans just shot themselves over that.

[RRR3]

does russia have the right to defend themselves from nato encroachment as well as a western military front on their border?

imagine china forming an alliance the size and scope of nato and bringing canada and mexico into their ranks. how would we (the us) react?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?516313-The-Tucker-Carlson-Vladimir-Putin-Interview&p=14883122&viewfull=1#post14883122
Please explain how invading a foreign country and killing civilians is defending yourself :lol

[bladefd]

our propping up of ukraine is a lost cause and our endless support is the only reason ukrainians are still dying.

ukraine is on life support. the patient (ukraine) is effectively dead. every time were send another "aid package" all we're doing is giving the patient a shave and a haircut. biden can stop the slaughter with a single phone call signifying that we're out.

you aren't stopping the russians - their military is more formidable than it's ever been and their economy is humming. there's no beating them either outright nor in a war of attrition.

anyway, way to miss the underlying point i was trying to make.

If things went your way, you would pull all support for Ukraine and cheer on Colonel Putin to finish the job in Ukraine.

[diamenz]

First, US spends 25 billion per year for border security. That doesn't even include Homeland Security's 122 billion annual budget.

Second, there was a bipartisan immigration bill ready to go (written by Oklahoma Republican senator), where democrats gave most of the things the GOP wanted including $118 billion extra funding and strict immigration laws. Trump, in wanting to play politics in time for election to not let Biden look good, told Republicans to vote against it. Republicans fell in line like the good sheep they are for Donald the shepherd. I'm sure Americans saw that, and I suspect Republicans just shot themselves over that.

follow the money blade and don't be so easily fooled. it's all a show.

nothing in any proposed bill from either party addresses the extreme influx of "asylum seekers" at our border. it's a game of catch and release (release into the us). "border security". :roll:

[diamenz]

If things went your way, you would pull all support for Ukraine and cheer on Colonel Putin to finish the job in Ukraine.

putin's going to finish the job regardless. not coming forth with a settlement now only prolongs that fact and continues the death and destruction of ukraine and it's people.

[diamenz]

Please explain how invading a foreign country and killing civilians is defending yourself :lol

see the link. it answers your question extensively.

[bladefd]

follow the money blade and don't be so easily fooled. it's all a show.

nothing in any proposed bill from either party addresses the extreme influx of "asylum seekers" at our border. it's a game of catch and release (release into the us). "border security". :roll:

You don't know about the immigration bill, do you?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602

You said "0 dollars for our border", and I blew down that strawman argument. You retort with "well, it's all a show."

No, it's not. One party decide to play politics in election season even though the bill was written by a Republican conservative. That one party decided to not pass the funding/stricter immigration bill

[RRR3]

see the link. it answers your question extensively.
With bullshit I've heard a million times from people who have been programmed by the same media you eat up like a good little stooge. Ukraine and Palestine are excellent litmus tests for who is actually thinking for themselves or not. It's not exact but this is a pretty good guide in general

Pro-Ukraine/Pro-Israel: listening to mainstream liberal media

Pro-Russia/Pro-Israel: listening to mainstream conservative media

Pro-Russia/Pro-Palestine: listening to third party conspiracy cranks and/or alternative right wing media (you are here), listening to Marxist-Leninist media (not you, but this is people on the left who have this opinion on Ukraine/Russia), or listening to mainstream conservative media but just hates Israel because they associate it with Jews.

Pro-Ukraine/Pro-Palestine: consistently against imperialism and colonialism regardless and thinking for themselves.

[bladefd]

putin's going to finish the job regardless. not coming forth with a settlement now only prolongs that fact and continues the death and destruction of ukraine and it's people.

So you just want to speed up the death and destruction of Ukraine and its people. Got it.

[diamenz]

With bullshit I've heard a million times from people who have been programmed by the same media you eat up like a good little stooge. Ukraine and Palestine are excellent litmus tests for who is actually thinking for themselves or not. It's not exact but this is a pretty good guide in general

Pro-Ukraine/Pro-Israel: listening to mainstream liberal media

Pro-Russia/Pro-Israel: listening to mainstream conservative media

Pro-Russia/Pro-Palestine: listening to third party conspiracy cranks and/or alternative right wing media, listening to Marxist-Leninist media, or listening to mainstream conservative media but just hates Israel because they associate it with Jews.

Pro-Ukraine/Pro-Palestine: consistently against imperialism and colonialism regardless and thinking for themselves.

i'm against what the netanyahu government is doing in gaza and the west bank. i think it's unacceptable and has little to do with eliminating hamas or rescuing hostages at this point. as a matter of fact, i don't think it can be any more clear that this is now a campaign to create a greater israel and push the threat of the palestinian people in general (along with hamas) out into the sinai. i don't think it does anything to make israel safer in the long-run, is bad for their global relations and can be labeled as ethnic cleansing - some would even argue genocide. we shouldn't support it.

otoh, you know where i stand with regard to the russo-ukrainian war. so where does that put me on the spectum? am i only thinking for myself on one side of the equation and not the other?

[diamenz]

So you just want to speed up the death and destruction of Ukraine and its people. Got it.

we've gone over this. this war is going to go one of two ways. either russia takes eastern ukraine by force and installs a russian-friendly government in kiev ensuring a neutral ukraine or the west comes forth with a settlement stating likewise.

or

we continue to supply ukraine with limited equipment and ammunitions to a dwindling army who's ranks cannot be replaced quick enough to prolong the fight. at that point, biden puts us troops on the ground and we've more or less triggered a global conflict or at the least a war between two nuclear superpowers.

there's no defeating the russian army unless we get involved directly. otherwise, we're only prolonging the inevitable. so what's the sensible move?

[jstern]

we've gone over this. this war is going to go one of two ways. either russia takes eastern ukraine by force and installs a russian-friendly government in kiev ensuring a neutral ukraine or the west comes forth with a settlement stating likewise.

or

we continue to supply ukraine with limited equipment and ammunitions to a dwindling army who's ranks cannot be replaced quick enough to prolong the fight. at that point, biden puts us troops on the ground and we've more or less triggered a global conflict or at the least a war between two nuclear superpowers.

there's no defeating the russian army unless we get involved directly. otherwise, we're only prolonging the inevitable. so what's the sensible move?

You have 6,666 posts. For now.

[diamenz]

You don't know about the immigration bill, do you?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602

You said "0 dollars for our border", and I blew down that strawman argument. You retort with "well, it's all a show."

No, it's not. One party decide to play politics in election season even though the bill was written by a Republican conservative. That one party decided to not pass the funding/stricter immigration bill

isn't this the previous bill that's already been shot down? is this what the senate just recently passed to the house a few days ago? this article is dated the 4th of feb.

because i'll admit i was wrong if that's the case. i'll have to take a closer look at it.

[diamenz]

You have 6,666 posts. For now.

:lol

[diamenz]

You have 6,666 posts. For now.

i have a ways to go before i catch axe, don't i?

[SATAN]

washington is corrupt and your vote is meaningless.

You're essentially saying there's nothing anyone can do. Both parties are corrupt...But I'll insist on bickering and causing division for one of them.

Dumb

[RRR3]

i'm against what the netanyahu government is doing in gaza and the west bank. i think it's unacceptable and has little to do with eliminating hamas or rescuing hostages at this point. as a matter of fact, i don't think it can be any more clear that this is now a campaign to create a greater israel and push the threat of the palestinian people in general (along with hamas) out into the sinai. i don't think it does anything to make israel safer in the long-run, is bad for their global relations and can be labeled as ethnic cleansing - some would even argue genocide. we shouldn't support it.

otoh, you know where i stand with regard to the russo-ukrainian war. so where does that put me on the spectum? am i only thinking for myself on one side of the equation and not the other?
Apparently you had trouble reading my post.

[diamenz]

Apparently you had trouble reading my post.

no don't generalize me into some hack category of mass groups. because in all modesty, my views and posts regarding both wars have been extensive and thorough, are more than simple talking points and don't represent any group of people you've outlined. if i'm split on the two subjects, then it should be assumed that i'm taking a fair approach to both , which i believe i am because i have genuine interest in seeking the truth.

[RRR3]

no don't generalize me into some hack category of mass groups. because in all modesty, my views and posts regarding both wars have been extensive and thorough, are more than simple talking points and don't represent any group of people you've outlined. if i'm split on the two subjects, then it should be assumed that i'm taking a fair approach to both , which i believe i am because i have genuine interest in seeking the truth.
You literally say the exact same things everyone else I've encountered who consume alternative "third party" media says about the issue. There is literally no difference. The EXACT same things. You keep saying "well because I have inconsistent views I must be thinking for myself" as if these inconsistent views aren't pushed by certain sectors of the media, which I went over already. Just because media isn't mainstream doesn't mean they're not selling you bullshit. The only people I see consistently supporting Palestinian and Ukranian right to self-determination are anarchists and democratic socialists. Liberals, conservatives, conspiracy nuts, Marxist-Leninists, and fascists are all pure shit on one side or the other (if not both). Afaik, I'm the only person on the board who's come down strongly on both of the sides I'm coming down on here too.

[diamenz]

You literally say the exact same things everyone else I've encountered who consume alternative "third party" media says about the issue. There is literally no difference. The EXACT same things. You keep saying "well because I have inconsistent views I must be thinking for myself" as if these inconsistent views aren't pushed by certain sectors of the media, which I went over already. Just because media isn't mainstream doesn't mean they're not selling you bullshit. The only people I see consistently supporting Palestinian and Ukranian right to self-determination are anarchists and democratic socialists. Liberals, conservatives, conspiracy nuts, Marxist-Leninists, and fascists are all pure shit on one side or the other (if not both). Afaik, I'm the only person on the board who's come down strongly on both of the sides I'm coming down on here too.

if this is indeed the case, then what makes the media you consume any more credible than mine? especially given the fact that you aren't split; you're pro-p / pro-uk. the typical libtard position. look no further than a san fran soccer mom for that pov.

what matters is what you bring to the table here on this forum and how well you make your case. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the conflict in the ME - you've showcased knowledge on that issue, whether i fully agree with you or not.

otoh, i haven't seen the same from you with regard to the war in ukraine. i've seen nothing but biden-admin / liberal mainstream media talking points from you. "invaded a soverign nation unprovoked". " putin man bad" etc. why should that lend your argument any credibility?

[RRR3]

if this is indeed the case, then what makes the media you consume any more credible than mine? especially given the fact that you aren't split; you're pro-p / pro-uk. the typical libtard position. look no further than a san fran soccer mom for that pov.

what matters is what you bring to the table here on this forum and how well you make your case. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the conflict in the ME - you've showcased knowledge on that issue, whether i agree with you or not.

otoh, i haven't seen the same from you with regard to the war in ukraine. i've seen nothing but biden-admin / liberal mainstream media talking points from you. "invaded a soverign nation unprovoked". " putin man bad" etc. why should that lend your argument any credibility?
No liberal wants to abolish the state of Israel or denies it's right to exist. I do. Liberals might oppose the genocide but they had no issue with Israel before Netanyahu started doing what he's doing. I did, I could show you my twitter where I have been shitting on Israel for years but I'm not about to doxx myself.

So you think I'm smart when I agree with you and dumb when I don't, what a shocker. Biden doesn't give a shit about Ukraine, he just doesn't want Rusisa to gain any more power. Giving aid to Ukraine isn't out of the goodness of his heart, but he'll say it is for points, sure. I don't know why it's so hard for people to believe the US can't be on the right side of an issue for the wrong reasons. This stuff happens all the time, it's why you see a shitty ass theocracy like Iran supporting Palestine. By your logic, I should oppose Palestine because Iran is horrible. But I don't really care if shitty people agree with me on an issue, that's always going to happen. Every single core belief I have are also believed by some shitty people. The issue is when you start changing your views because a few idiots agree with you. Think for yourself.

Could Biden be sending all the money he is to Ukraine if it was up to me? No, because he'd be sending money to Palestine and lots of other countries facing similar situations as well. And he would be giving people healthcare, legalizing weed, abolishing the police and prison, etc. "But who will protect us" I'm sure you'll say. Well get a gun and protect yourself, you don't need the state. But the act of aiding Ukraine isn't bad, giving aid to people who need it is good. Is Biden doing it for altruistic reasons? Of course not he's evil as shit. His geopolitical interests just happened to be on the same side as the morally correct position, it's purely a coincidence. In a similar situation in Palestine where his interests were on the other side, he showed zero consistency.

[jstern]

i have a ways to go before i catch axe, don't i?

I didn't want to mention him, because he's dragging me into so many back and a forths and if I mention his name he's going to enter this thread, but my initial thought was that it took diamenz almost 12 years to reach 6,666 post, and Axe had already beaten that number in around 7 months. It even took RRR3 over a year to beat that number, yet Axe, 7 months or so.

[Axe]

https://www.autismspeaks.org/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg_small_width/public/Autism_Speaks_VerticalDS_Full_RGB_150dpi%20%281%29 .png?itok=PjWDnAPa


i have a ways to go before i catch axe, don't i?
Hey, stay on your topic please. Ty.

[diamenz]

No liberal wants to abolish the state of Israel or denies it's right to exist. I do. Liberals might oppose the genocide but they had no issue with Israel before Netanyahu started doing what he's doing. I did, I could show you my twitter where I have been shitting on Israel for years but I'm not about to doxx myself.

So you think I'm smart when I agree with you and dumb when I don't, what a shocker. Biden doesn't give a shit about Ukraine, he just doesn't want Rusisa to gain any more power. Giving aid to Ukraine isn't out of the goodness of his heart, but he'll say it is for points, sure. I don't know why it's so hard for people to believe the US can't be on the right side of an issue for the wrong reasons. This stuff happens all the time, it's why you see a shitty ass theocracy like Iran supporting Palestine. By your logic, I should oppose Palestine because Iran is horrible. But I don't really care if shitty people agree with me on an issue, that's always going to happen. Every single core belief I have are also believed by some shitty people. The issue is when you start changing your views because a few idiots agree with you. Think for yourself.

Could Biden be sending all the money he is to Ukraine if it was up to me? No, because he'd be sending money to Palestine and lots of other countries facing similar situations as well. And he would be giving people healthcare, legalizing weed, abolishing the police and prison, etc. "But who will protect us" I'm sure you'll say. Well get a gun and protect yourself, you don't need the state. But the act of aiding Ukraine isn't bad, giving aid to people who need it is good. Is Biden doing it for altruistic reasons? Of course not he's evil as shit. His geopolitical interests just happened to be on the same side as the morally correct position, it's purely a coincidence. In a similar situation in Palestine where his interests were on the other side, he showed zero consistency.

i can respect this.


But the act of aiding Ukraine isn't bad, giving aid to people who need it is good

i do have to push back on this point though and you may even agree with me.

this "aid" does not go to ukraine - the majority of it doesn't anyway. it goes to defense contractors here, which at this stage of the game is senseless. not only because we have no surge capacity to manufacture these arms and ship them overseas in time for a dwindling, untrained army with low morale and limited experience operating this equipment; but because any $ that gets through to the government in kiev will either be used to pay the salaries of corrupt bureaucrats or end up getting stolen by these same individuals when all of the resources there eventually dry up and russian tanks are parading down the streets of the capital. and they've fled the country.

can we also agree that the ukrainian counter-offensive is over and these defensive positions that ukrainian soldiers are holding will not last?

do you agree with this?


we've gone over this. this war is going to go one of two ways. either russia takes eastern ukraine by force and installs a russian-friendly government in kiev ensuring a neutral ukraine or the west comes forth with a settlement stating likewise.

or

we continue to supply ukraine with limited equipment and ammunitions to a dwindling army who's ranks cannot be replaced quick enough to prolong the fight. at that point, biden puts us troops on the ground and we've more or less triggered a global conflict or at the least a war between two nuclear superpowers.

there's no defeating the russian army unless we get involved directly. otherwise, we're only prolonging the inevitable. so what's the sensible move?

we both want what's best for the ukrainian people and their country. in order to begin the process of repopulating and rebuilding, a russian victory that is inevitable should not be prolonged and a settlement from the west is in the ukrainian people's best interest.

[diamenz]

come on rrr3 don't duck out on me while i'm attempting to find a middle-ground with you here.

i look forward to hearing your response tomorrow.

[diamenz]

You don't know about the immigration bill, do you?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602

You said "0 dollars for our border", and I blew down that strawman argument. You retort with "well, it's all a show."

No, it's not. One party decide to play politics in election season even though the bill was written by a Republican conservative. That one party decided to not pass the funding/stricter immigration bill

at a glance, because i need to get ready for tomorrow, it appears that you lied to me blade. either that or you're genuinely confused yourself. i'm running with the former unless you can convince me otherwise.


The call for action comes a week after the Senate passed a foreign aid bill that Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) has said he would not take up in the House. The $95 billion Senate bill contained money for Ukraine, Israel and other foreign policy priorities but did not include the negotiated bipartisan border agreement that had provisions to increase border security and tighten asylum laws.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4477219-bipartisan-lawmakers-urge-colleagues-to-back-bill-combining-ukraine-aid-border-security/

in other words, my op was accurate.

[SATAN]

come on rrr3 don't duck out on me while i'm attempting to find a middle-ground with you here.

i look forward to hearing your response tomorrow.

I'm still here.

[Jasper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GENpeq_WQAAfYK8.jpg

the wall that is being stood on is dumpsters wall , missing 900 miles of a unfinished project.

(latino's showing others how to climb the wall like a monkey)

[bladefd]

at a glance, because i need to get ready for tomorrow, it appears that you lied to me blade. either that or you're genuinely confused yourself. i'm running with the former unless you can convince me otherwise.



https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4477219-bipartisan-lawmakers-urge-colleagues-to-back-bill-combining-ukraine-aid-border-security/

in other words, my op was accurate.

The foreign aid bill is a separate bill. I was talking about the immigration bill, which was specifically for the border. Republicans turned it down due to shepherd Donald telling them not to agree to it to play politics. Either it's a pressing issue for which a bipartisan immigration bill was ready to go or it's not a pressing issue. Which is it?

Do you seriously expect a "FOREIGN AID bill" to be about US immigration? Think about it for a minute before you post nonsense.

[bladefd]

"NO MONEY FOR THE BORDER CRISIS!! BUT LOOK, THEY CARE ABOUT ISRAEL/UKRAINE!!" - unnamed poster
"There is a bipartisan bill for that very issue but Republicans playing politics killed it recently" - me
"HAH, I don't care about another bill targeted just for immigration. I meant why is there no domestic border issue funding INSIDE THE FOREIGN AID BILL??" - unnamed poster

https://media1.tenor.com/m/BzdybKbJj7gAAAAd/moving-goalpost.gif

[diamenz]

The foreign aid bill is a separate bill. I was talking about the immigration bill, which was specifically for the border. Republicans turned it down due to shepherd Donald telling them not to agree to it to play politics. Either it's a pressing issue for which a bipartisan immigration bill was ready to go or it's not a pressing issue. Which is it?

Do you seriously expect a "FOREIGN AID bill" to be about US immigration? Think about it for a minute before you post nonsense.

i honestly don't know what you're going on about here. there is no "separate" bill. there were two bills, or 'proposals' - the original one you posted referred to in that article from the 4th of feb was an all-encompassing bill including both foreign aid as well as border security and 'tightening' of asylum seeker laws. as i understand it, that bill was shot down by republicans in the house due to political pressure from trump, like you said.

the second proposal passed last week by the senate is the same bill (as i understand it), but stripped of the us border funding and law reform. so my op is still accurate. what are you going on about?

[Off the Court]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/455587/enacted-border-patrol-program-budget-in-the-us/#:~:text=The%20enacted%20border%20patrol%20program ,for%20the%202024%20fiscal%20year.

[diamenz]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/455587/enacted-border-patrol-program-budget-in-the-us/#:~:text=The%20enacted%20border%20patrol%20program ,for%20the%202024%20fiscal%20year.

alright... thank you for that i guess. but what does this have to do with the fact that the current bill forwarded to the house has zero provisions for border reform and funding in the midst of a border crisis? what are we doing prioritizing our 'allies' before our own country's interests?

[Charlie Sheen]

Biden wants nothing to do with any change to border policy in an election year.

Status quo is the best outcome for him. He can bullshit his way through a campaign about his efforts to strengthen the border without having to defend any changes.

[Off the Court]

alright... thank you for that i guess. but what does this have to do with the fact that the current bill forwarded to the house has zero provisions for border reform and funding in the midst of a border crisis? what are we doing prioritizing our 'allies' before our own country's interests?

Like already pointed out that is a foreign aid bill, we spend billions a year on our own border internally.

Also, I didn't read this entire thread, this was probably already mentioned because it's a "DUH" point, but those countries are at REAL ACTUAL war. Another countires military is coming in to take over their land. The only way that would be comparable to our situation is if Mexico's military was invading us to conquer the US. But what is really happening is families coming simply because they want to be a part of the US. I know you've been trained to think everyone coming in is MS13 to kill us all but that isn't reality. The reality is that 99% of these people just want to do our crap work.

[diamenz]

Like already pointed out that is a foreign aid bill, we spend billions a year on our own border internally.

Also, I didn't read this entire thread, this was probably already mentioned because it's a "DUH" point, but those countries are at REAL ACTUAL war. Another countires military is coming in to take over their land. The only way that would be comparable to our situation is if Mexico's military was invading us to conquer the US. But what is really happening is families coming simply because they want to be a part of the US. I know you've been trained to think everyone coming in is MS13 to kill us all but that isn't reality. The reality is that 99% of these people just want to do our crap work.

yes, correct - as it stands now, hr 815 is strictly a foreign aid bill. however, in it's original form before it was shot down by republicans weeks ago due to political pressure from trump, it was that same bill containing the foreign aid, but also coupled with funding and policy provisions for the us-mexico border. including reform with regard to asylum seeker laws, which is crucial. it was originally titled the "National Security Act".

after trump and his party shot the bill down, it was subsequently striped of any us-mexico border provisions, passed by the senate and forwarded to the house.

so again, the op is accurate - no funding or policy provisions set aside for our border crisis. and yes, trump and house republicans are absolutely to blame for this. apparently i hadn't done all of my homework. this yearly funding you speak of is irrelevant to the urgent matter at hand as it does nothing to address the asylum seeker influx crisis.


I know you've been trained to think everyone coming in is MS13 to kill us all but that isn't reality. The reality is that 99% of these people just want to do our crap work.

so how's that working out? say your 99% argument is true for argument's sake - we don't have the logistics in place in order to house and employ this large influx of people and that's been showcased by the mess sanctuary cities have been continuously dealing with the past 6+ months. it's why we have a system in place to bring these people in at a controlled rate. americans need jobs too, you know. we're supposed to hand those jobs over to people who have brute-forced their way into the country illegally under the guise of asylum seekers? reward them with free health care, food, clothes and tent cities in the middle of residential neighborhoods? furthermore, how is that fair to the good folks waiting patiently in mexico going through the proper legal process to become us citizens?

how you guys can justify this mess is unreal.

[bladefd]

i honestly don't know what you're going on about here. there is no "separate" bill. there were two bills, or 'proposals' - the original one you posted referred to in that article from the 4th of feb was an all-encompassing bill including both foreign aid as well as border security and 'tightening' of asylum seeker laws. as i understand it, that bill was shot down by republicans in the house due to political pressure from trump, like you said.

the second proposal passed last week by the senate is the same bill (as i understand it), but stripped of the us border funding and law reform. so my op is still accurate. what are you going on about?

I didn't know the second proposal last week stripped the immigration stuff out. I thought they split the original bill into two separate bills - foreign aid bill and immigration bill. Perhaps not?

But ya, we spend 25 billion per year for border security. That doesn't even include Homeland Security's 122 billion annual budget. So anything else would be extra money on top of the tens of billions we already spend.

[diamenz]

I didn't know the second proposal last week stripped the immigration stuff out. I thought they split the original bill into two separate bills - foreign aid bill and immigration bill. Perhaps not?

But ya, we spend 25 billion per year for border security. That doesn't even include Homeland Security's 122 billion annual budget. So anything else would be extra money on top of the tens of billions we already spend.

again, irrelevant to the crisis at hand. asylum seeker laws need reform in order to stop this infestation.

[Jasper]

This thread shows how dumb DIAMENZ - his own party shot down a border control bill ... and he keeps asking the same fuvkin' question.

[bladefd]

again, irrelevant to the crisis at hand. asylum seeker laws need reform in order to stop this infestation.

Bring it up with the Republican party.

Republicans were saying that they would only pass aid for Ukraine if it also included immigration issue solution. The bill that included both things was agreed to (even by a democrat majority in the Senate giving most of what the Republicans asked for on immigration) on a bipartisan basis. Shepherd Donald, wanting to play politics and not let Biden look good, told Republicans to kill the bill. Republicans who created and were pushing for that bill, being the good sheep they are, backed off on the coattails of shepherd Donald.

https://www.wsj.com/video/series/on-the-news/why-immigration-legislation-is-next-to-impossible-to-pass-in-congress/8B2963FD-1354-42AA-90FA-B4C2FE058514

The house speaker himself pushed for a bill that included both financial aid and immigration. He got that and killed it. Then now he is crying that the foreign aid bill doesn't address immigration so he is trying to kill that too on that basis.

I think Democrats should dare the Republican party with a separate immigration bill. Make the Republicans kill that too. Prove to everyone the sort of game shepherd Donald and MAGA are playing.

[Jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zneh1gc7xhU?t=46&feature=share

[Hey Yo]

So you just want to speed up the death and destruction of Ukraine and its people. Got it.

Make America First Again

[bladefd]

Make America First Again

You would have a point if the financial aid to Ukraine was a trillion dollars. It's a very tiny fraction of our budget that will be combined aid to Ukraine and Israel. It's what? 7% total of our budget? America is still first by a significant margin.

[SATAN]

Make America First Again

Dumb

[Axe]

Dumb
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