Another Illegal Alien kills a U.S. citizen

[Patrick Chewing]

Happened in Athens, GA. https://www.foxnews.com/us/laken-riley-case-georgia-authorities-announce-suspect-custody-nursing-students-slaying


Illegal POS from Venezuela:

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Laken Riley the victim:

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Open borders is to blame. Joe Biden is to blame.

[Baller234]

Wait, you mean it's not a great idea to have an open border and import hordes of migrants without knowing who they are? Who would have thought?

Tragic of course, but her being the wrong complexion means this story will be swept under the rug. Her life doesn't matter obviously. MAYBE if she was black there would be a minor uproar for a few days from enraged black delegates.

I wonder if this fine young scholar was getting free groceries on the taxpayer dime.

[Patrick Chewing]

Wait, you mean it's not a great idea to have an open border and import hordes of migrants without knowing who they are? Who would have thought?

Tragic of course, but her being the wrong complexion means this story will be swept under the rug. Her life doesn't matter obviously. MAYBE if she was black there would be a minor uproar for a few days from enraged black delegates.

I wonder if this fine young scholar was getting free groceries on the taxpayer dime.

Georgia is predominantly a Red state, so the only hopeful outcome from this tragic incident is that if her parents or close relatives happen to be Democrat, that they're outraged enough to vote Republican in the next election. Hate to politicize her death, but there is one Party who is vehemently against illegal immigration, and there is the other Party who is not.

[ShawkFactory]

Georgia is predominantly a Red state, so the only hopeful outcome from this tragic incident is that if her parents or close relatives happen to be Democrat, that they're outraged enough to vote Republican in the next election. Hate to politicize her death, but there is one Party who is vehemently against illegal immigration, and there is the other Party who is not.

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[Patrick Chewing]

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Well, I don't. But any rational person would ask themselves how this could have been prevented, and the answer is obvious. If this person had no business being in this country, then this girl would be alive today.

[ShawkFactory]

Right and I got pretty sick last week after eating some spicy Kadai Chicken. I guess the rational thing to do would be to blame India for existing?

No. A rational person would recognize that this was a horrible thing that happened at the hands of a very bad man, and that he should be tried and punished as such.

As an aside, my coworkers daughter was good friends with Laken. In the same sorority and all that. She's pretty shaken up.

[Patrick Chewing]

Right and I got pretty sick last week after eating some spicy Kadai Chicken. I guess the rational thing to do would be to blame India for existing?

No. A rational person would recognize that this was a horrible thing that happened at the hands of a very bad man, and that he should be tried and punished as such.

As an aside, my coworkers daughter was good friends with Laken. In the same sorority and all that. She's pretty shaken up.

Your comparison makes no sense and you're willfully ignoring the obvious. That this person was in this country illegally and should have never been here in the first place. Of course he's a bad person. But if he had never been in this country in the first place, this girl would be alive today. How hard is it to agree to that?

[ShawkFactory]

Your comparison makes no sense and you're willfully ignoring the obvious. That this person was in this country illegally and should have never been here in the first place. Of course he's a bad person. But if he had never been in this country in the first place, this girl would be alive today. How hard is it to agree to that?

How does it not make sense? I’m illustrating your egregious leap in logic.

Sure, if the guy wasn’t here then this wouldn’t have happened. Just like if India didn’t exist, I wouldn’t have gotten sick last week.

The point I’m making is that there are more important and applicable things to address.

[diamenz]

this wouldn't have happened if our borders were secure, period. this man entered our country illegally under the guise of an "asylum seeker". this is what happens when you bring scores of unvetted people into the country.

[bladefd]

Your comparison makes no sense and you're willfully ignoring the obvious. That this person was in this country illegally and should have never been here in the first place. Of course he's a bad person. But if he had never been in this country in the first place, this girl would be alive today. How hard is it to agree to that?

You can try to stop as many people as possible but you are not stopping illegal immigration altogether. It's just a fact. People from poor countries see how well America is doing, and they will do whatever they can to get in by any means necessary. Border patrol is not stopping everyone. Regardless of which party is in power.

I do think Republicans would do better on border issue, if you are a one-issue voter. Most people are not one-issue voters. If there are 20 issues, I believe Republicans do better on perhaps 5 of them (border and illegal immigration are arguably two of them). Democrats are probably better for the nation overall on the 15 issues.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Poopsie's getting a hard on over this.

[Patrick Chewing]

How does it not make sense? I’m illustrating your egregious leap in logic.

Sure, if the guy wasn’t here then this wouldn’t have happened. Just like if India didn’t exist, I wouldn’t have gotten sick last week.

The point I’m making is that there are more important and applicable things to address.


So you’re just dismissing the whole point cause you’re a Lib and I called Libs out. I mean, that’s all I gather from your weird explanation. The hell are you talking about India? We are talking about a current problem that is affecting this country at the moment and is at the forefront of every political discussion at the moment, with it now culminating in an innocent girl dying, and the shit that comes out of your mouth is, that there are more important and applicable things to address?? What? Tell that to her family.

Turn on the news, the illegal immigration crisis is dominating the headlines.

[ShawkFactory]

So you’re just dismissing the whole point cause you’re a Lib and I called Libs out. I mean, that’s all I gather from your weird explanation. The hell are you talking about India? We are talking about a current problem that is affecting this country at the moment and is at the forefront of every political discussion at the moment, with it now culminating in an innocent girl dying, and the shit that comes out of your mouth is, that there are more important and applicable things to address?? What? Tell that to her family.

Turn on the news, the illegal immigration crisis is dominating the headlines.

I acknowledged your point and then provided a counter. It’s generally how discussions work. Don’t play dumb and act like you don’t understand what I’m saying.

The funny thing is I’m actually vehemently against open borders for a slew of reasons. Theres plenty of them that are applicable to address. And it’s applicable to address that the family has something horrible that they’re going through and politicizing this death may not be what they want. Not everyone thinks in these terms like you do. I wouldn’t imagine that Libs and Joe Biden are on their minds right now.

Bad dudes exist in every corner of the world. There are plenty of legitimate arguments against unregulated immigration. Using a death of a girl you don’t give a shit about to make your point isn’t it.

[Baller234]

ShawkFactory were you one of those hysterical libtards who blamed each and every Covid fatality on Donald Trump and the unvaccinated?

Just want to clear things up since we're on the subject of politicizing someone's death.

[ShawkFactory]

ShawkFactory were you one of those hysterical libtards who blamed each and every Covid fatality on Donald Trump and the unvaccinated?

Just want to clear things up since we're on the subject of politicizing someone's death.

No..

Honestly, with the conversations that we’ve had in the past do really believe that that’s me? I know we disagree on things and yes I do tend to lean left at times but I feel like I’ve been open with the fact that I view the world as gray rather than black and white. Some call it wishy-washy but it makes the most sense to me.

The human condition is very complex and labeling things so easily as some do based on agenda gets to me sometimes. I don’t claim to know everything but I think I’m very open.

[Baller234]

No..

Honestly, with the conversations that we’ve had in the past do really believe that that’s me? I know we disagree on things and yes I do tend to lean left at times but I feel like I’ve been open with the fact that I view the world as gray rather than black and white. Some call it wishy-washy but it makes the most sense to me.

The human condition is very complex and labeling things so easily as some do based on agenda gets to me sometimes. I don’t claim to know everything but I think I’m very open.

Then you should acknowledge that this girl's death was helped brought upon by people (democrats) who willingly ignore the very real threat posed by mass illegal immigration.

[SATAN]

If only Trump finished the wall he promised. :confusedshrug:

[BurningHammer]

If only Trump finished the wall he promised. :confusedshrug:

Ain't it just Steve Bannon's scam?

[Lakers Legend#32]

This was all over the right-wing media.

Using big bold lettering that would only be used for the start of World War III.

The righties are just ecstatic over this.

[Hey Yo]

This was all over the right-wing media.

Using big bold lettering that would only be used for the start of World War III.

The righties are just ecstatic over this.
First you're buying all the Republicans books and now spending all day watching/reading right wing news.

Sorry blue fakkit.... the red doesn't want you're psychotic ass.

[Bill Gates]

It has to be shown that illegals murder at a higher rate than our own citizens do.

If they murder at a lower rate, it is actually watering down our already high murder rate.

No one thought illegals would be 100% crime free.

[Hey Yo]

Biden now scheduled to visit the southern border in Texas on Thursday.

Geeeeeee.... wonder why??

[tpols]

How does it not make sense? I’m illustrating your egregious leap in logic.

Sure, if the guy wasn’t here then this wouldn’t have happened. Just like if India didn’t exist, I wouldn’t have gotten sick last week.

The point I’m making is that there are more important and applicable things to address.

This is an absolutely retarded analogy. :lol :facepalm

[ShawkFactory]

This is an absolutely retarded analogy. :lol :facepalm

Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it retarded. Is it a little crass or insensitive? Sure, and for that I probably wouldn’t make it again.

But the logic follows. A negative event occurs, and people are very quickly assuming causation by something that I don’t believe to be the most important aspect of this type of crime. I think the biggest thing that should be considered here is that in every corner of the world, there are men who are going to act violently towards young women. It’s an unfortunate aspect of humanity and is not confined by nationality, race, ethnicity, etc. Banning illegal immigration (again, something I believe should be done, but for other reasons) isn’t going to make this problem go away.

So yes..because I don’t believe immigration to be the root cause here, I find it a disservice to Laken and her friends/family as well as future girls that this will happen to to focus on that for political reasons. Because it IS so politicized anyway then it might contribute to the desired outcome so I guess that’s fine. But it's like putting a bandaid on a hatchet wound.

[JohnnySic]

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[jstern]

Back in August, I created a thread of an 11 year old Guatemalan girl was raped and murdered by an illegal alien and RRR3 and SouBeachTalents, (I won't count highwhey) created the narrative in the comments that the only reason as to why I made the thread was not because I was horrified about the death of a little girl that shouldn't have happened, but rather that it was to criticize Biden and his open border policy. And with that fake narrative, RMWG deleted the thread. And it away stuck out on how a fake narrative can be pushed to justify censorship. It was disgusting.

[Off the Court]

oh NOW suddenly one death is too many :roll:

During covid it's "who cares, it's only old people or people with bad hearts, they die anyway."

The tribalism is a joke.

[tpols]

Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it retarded. Is it a little crass or insensitive? Sure, and for that I probably wouldn’t make it again.

But the logic follows. A negative event occurs, and people are very quickly assuming causation by something that I don’t believe to be the most important aspect of this type of crime. I think the biggest thing that should be considered here is that in every corner of the world, there are men who are going to act violently towards young women. It’s an unfortunate aspect of humanity and is not confined by nationality, race, ethnicity, etc. Banning illegal immigration (again, something I believe should be done, but for other reasons) isn’t going to make this problem go away.

So yes..because I don’t believe immigration to be the root cause here, I find it a disservice to Laken and her friends/family as well as future girls that this will happen to to focus on that for political reasons. Because it IS so politicized anyway then it might contribute to the desired outcome so I guess that’s fine. But it's like putting a bandaid on a hatchet wound.

You honestly sound like an extremely coddled small white boy that doesn't understand the real world is much tougher outside your little USA bubble.

Poor people with nothing particularly young males from some of these 3rd world countries experience death and violence to such an unbelievable degree they end up dishing out what they came from. Which is understandable and makes sense. But it also does make them dangerous to allow into our country with absolutely no vetting or background check. It's absurd.

Comparing it to Indian food or whatever bullshit you were talking about is so nonsensical its hard to put into words how bad your analogy was.

[Off the Court]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHR3bb5bEAUGLMX?format=jpg&name=small


MAD PROPS TO TRUMP FOR TURNING OFF HIS CAPS LOCK HERE!

Well, kind of. He turned it off and on.

AT LEAST IT WASN'T HIS USUAL CAPS ONLY! BECAUSE YOU KNOW, TO LET US KNOW HE'S NEVER NOT SCREAMING!

[Off the Court]

You honestly sound like an extremely coddled small white boy that doesn't understand the real world is much tougher outside your little USA bubble.

Poor people with nothing particularly young males from some of these 3rd world countries experience death and violence to such an unbelievable degree they end up dishing out what they came from. Which is understandable and makes sense. But it also does make them dangerous to allow into our country with absolutely no vetting or background check. It's absurd.

Comparing it to Indian food or whatever bullshit you were talking about is so nonsensical its hard to put into words how bad your analogy was.
You calling someone a small white :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

You honestly sound like an extremely coddled small white boy that doesn't understand the real world is much tougher outside your little USA bubble.

Poor people with nothing particularly young males from some of these 3rd world countries experience death and violence to such an unbelievable degree they end up dishing out what they came from. Which is understandable and makes sense. But it also does make them dangerous to allow into our country with absolutely no vetting or background check. It's absurd.

Comparing it to Indian food or whatever bullshit you were talking about is so nonsensical its hard to put into words how bad your analogy was.

You understand that I was simply comparing a line of logic...not the actual situation right? You seem to not be able to grasp that. I explained the comparison and the line of thinking I was referencing. Again, you not being able to understand it isn't my problem.

[Baller234]

oh NOW suddenly one death is too many :roll:

During covid it's "who cares, it's only old people or people with bad hearts, they die anyway."

The tribalism is a joke.

Yea because the left was so concerned about spreading Covid...

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Mind you this was during the initial alpha strain when people were still dying in larger numbers. Long before there were even talks about a vaccine.

[Baller234]

Off the Court & ShawkFactory downplaying a horrific tragedy that could have easily been avoided if not for retarded and corrupt democratic policies that benefit no one.

But they're just being honest and objective guys, honest.

[ShawkFactory]

Off the Court & ShawkFactory downplaying a horrific tragedy that could have easily been avoided if not for retarded and corrupt democratic policies that benefit no one.

But they're just being honest and objective guys, honest.

How am I downplaying it? By not completely agreeing with the reasoning behind it that you and others have auto-assigned?

Positing a different angle on the issues behind it is not downplaying it. If anything, considering other aspects..is the opposite. You see a headline and make associations without giving it any other thought.

[Baller234]

How am I downplaying it? By not completely agreeing with the reasoning behind it that you and others have auto-assigned?

Positing a different angle on the issues behind it is not downplaying it. If anything, considering other aspects..is the opposite. You see a headline and make associations without giving it any other thought.

This murderous criminal couldn't have entered the country in the first place if not for unchecked illegal immigration. You could thank democrats for that.

He also wouldn't have been free to commit murder if he'd been held in custody and deported back when he was first arrested. But rather than hold him in custody, he was released back onto the streets twice. You could thank soft on crime democrats for that too.

This murder is entirely the fault of democratic policies. This woman would still be alive if we had sane leadership.

[RRR3]

This murderous criminal couldn't have entered the country in the first place if not for unchecked illegal immigration. You could thank democrats for that.

He also wouldn't have been free to commit murder if he'd been held in custody and deported back when he was first arrested. But rather than hold him in custody, he was released back onto the streets twice. You could thank soft on crime democrats for that too.

This murder is entirely the fault of democratic policies. This woman would still be alive if we had sane leadership.
"Anti-establishment" guy DEMANDS we have even MORE of a police state to make him feel safe :oldlol:

[diamenz]

"Anti-establishment" guy DEMANDS we have even MORE of a police state to make him feel safe :oldlol:

i wonder if laken riley felt safe.

[Off the Court]

How am I downplaying it?

You're never did. The only way he knows how to argue is to strawman.

[iamgine]

I feel like this kind of narrative is so dumb. Just because one illegal alien decides to do crime, what about the other millions of illegal aliens who live peacefully? What if a study comes out and find that citizens do more violent crime than illegals?


Instead, we should already know the pro and cons of illegal immigration and decide if we'd support the politicians with a relaxed policy towards it.

[Baller234]

"Anti-establishment" guy DEMANDS we have even MORE of a police state to make him feel safe :oldlol:

This post is so stupid it's painful.

As a country, we reserve the right to secure our borders and prevent outsiders from sneaking in. Not sure why you would equate that with having a police state when that has zero to do with policing our own citizens.

Safety and security are two of the biggest obligations a government has to it's tax paying citizens. That includes keeping violent criminals off the streets. So yes as someone who pays taxes actually I do expect to feel safe. In fact if the average person isn't safe walking about freely in their own country, that signals a colossal failure of government.

That you would downplay this in some weird attempt to try and own the cons is sad and pathetic.

I really feel bad for you. You're not a good person and you need serious help.

[RRR3]

More cops! More security! More state protection! I'm s-s-s-s-scared!!!! :cry:
"Anti-establishment" :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Baller234]

You're never did. The only way he knows how to argue is to strawman.

He's downplaying it by feigning ignorance and pretending this murder wasn't the end result of insane democratic policies.

[Baller234]

I feel like this kind of narrative is so dumb. Just because one illegal alien decides to do crime, what about the other millions of illegal aliens who live peacefully? What if a study comes out and find that citizens do more violent crime than illegals?


This is nonsense. Assuming just 1% of all illegal immigrants are violent criminals, which is being generous, that would mean for every million border crossers you are letting in 10,000 violent criminals. Over the course of just a few years that number could be 50,000.

We don't have total control over what our own citizens do. If someone born here goes crazy and murders a random women, we can only try and find the root cause and do our best to prevent future cases. But we SHOULD have control over who enters our country. This murder was absolutely avoidable.

The guy was arrested twice for god's sake. He should have been deported right then and there.

[Baller234]

ShawkFactory I hope you can see the type of people we're dealing with here.

You can side with common sense or you can side with depressed burnout losers like 3tard who operate on zero principle and just want to watch the world burn.

[diamenz]

"Anti-establishment" :roll: :roll: :roll:

solid rebuttal. looks like baller234 wins by default.

also, still awaiting your input on the topic of ukraine from our back & forth the other day. i have yet to hear anything from you aside from "putin bad" and "invaded ukraine unprovoked" and other mainstream talking points.

[diamenz]

This is nonsense. Assuming just 1% of all illegal immigrants are violent criminals, which is being generous, that would mean for every million border crossers you are letting in 10,000 violent criminals. Over the course of just a few years that number could be 50,000.

We don't have total control over what our own citizens do. If someone born here goes crazy and murders a random women, we can only try and find the root cause and do our best to prevent future cases. But we SHOULD have control over who enters our country. This murder was absolutely avoidable.

The guy was arrested twice for god's sake. He should have been deported right then and there.

it really is something the lengths people will go to try and rationalize the inexcusable policies of their team. i think shawk knows better and it may just be a bit of miscommunication and misinterpretation.

...but the others itt... this topic should be the easiest of things to call out. it shouldn't be controversial at all. it's basic national security.

[RRR3]

Please protect me daddy government! Btw I'm anti-establishment
:biggums:

Still fuming about Ukraine? Yikes. I don't even remember what you're whining about, sorry.

[RRR3]

bawler lives in CONSTANT fear. You can tell the little guy is just TERRIFIED daily, which is why he wants a huge powerful government to protect him :lol But he's anti establishment somehow :biggums:

[iamgine]

This is nonsense. Assuming just 1% of all illegal immigrants are violent criminals, which is being generous, that would mean for every million border crossers you are letting in 10,000 violent criminals. Over the course of just a few years that number could be 50,000.

We don't have total control over what our own citizens do. If someone born here goes crazy and murders a random women, we can only try and find the root cause and do our best to prevent future cases. But we SHOULD have control over who enters our country. This murder was absolutely avoidable.

The guy was arrested twice for god's sake. He should have been deported right then and there.
That's not the narrative though. The "Illegals are dangerous because look at this one guy who do violent crime" or "lets ban guns because look at this one school shooting" narrative are the ones I call dumb. Because it can be easily argued.

You should re-read what I wrote in its entirety.

[Baller234]

That's not the narrative though. The "Illegals are dangerous because look at this one guy who do violent crime" or "lets ban guns because look at this one school shooting" narrative are the ones I call dumb. Because it can be easily argued.

You should re-read what I wrote in its entirety.

Uh, nobody is arguing that all illegals are dangerous. I'm sure most of them are just trying to make a better life for themselves, but that doesn't change the fact that you're also letting in hordes of bad ones too. The danger is posed by illegal immigration itself.

There is literally no upside and no benefit to importing hordes of undocumented migrant strangers. That this even needs to be explained to you is kind of crazy.

[iamgine]

Uh, nobody is arguing that all illegals are dangerous. I'm sure most of them are just trying to make a better life for themselves, but that doesn't change the fact that you're also letting in hordes of bad ones too. The danger is posed by illegal immigration itself.

There is literally no upside and no benefit to importing hordes of undocumented migrant strangers. That this even needs to be explained to you is kind of crazy.
That's what the narrative implied though. Just like with guns and school shooting. Just like with arabs and terrorist.

There are upsides to illegal immigration, but I think the downsides are 1000x worse. Looking into this is much better than dumb fearmongering narrative.

[Baller234]

That's what the narrative implied though. Just like with guns and school shooting. Just like with arabs and terrorist.

There are upsides to illegal immigration, but I think the downsides are 1000x worse. Looking into this is much better than dumb fearmongering narrative.

It's not the same as guns and shootings at all. When there is a school shooting, only libtards are the ones blaming guns. Rational minded people know that the gun had nothing to do with it.

If we knew who was coming into our country and had the power to keep them out, this woman would still be alive. If this violent psycho had been held in custody and deported the moment he was first arrested for a violent crime, this woman would still be alive.

A direct line can be drawn from failed left wing policies to this woman's murder.

[iamgine]

It's not the same as guns and shootings at all. When there is a school shooting, only libtards are the ones blaming guns. Rational minded people know that the gun had nothing to do with it.

If we knew who was coming into our country and had the power to keep them out, this woman would still be alive. If this violent psycho had been held in custody and deported the moment he was first arrested for a violent crime, this woman would still be alive.

A direct line can be drawn from failed left wing policies to this woman's murder.

If guns were banned, that one school shooting would not happen. If illegals are banned, that one killing would not happen.

Both true. Both dumb narrative.

We shouldn't subscribe to this just cause we support one over the other.

[Baller234]

If guns were banned, that one school shooting would not happen. If illegals are banned, that one killing would not happen.

Both true. Both dumb narrative.

We shouldn't subscribe to this just cause we support one over the other.

Not at all. A violent psychopath could just as easily mow down 20-30 people with their truck. Someone who's committed to murdering others is going to figure out how to do it one way or another. Plus there is also a huge downside to banning guns, as it would give violent criminals even more free reign to commit violent crime.

What is the downside to securing our border and making sure we know who's entering our country? Why would you possibly be against this?

[iamgine]

Not at all. A violent psychopath could just as easily mow down 20-30 people with their truck. Someone who's committed to murdering others is going to figure out how to do it one way or another. Plus there is also a huge downside to banning guns, as it would give violent criminals even more free reign to commit violent crime.

What is the downside to securing our border and making sure we know who's entering our country? Why would you possibly be against this?

I think you should re-read again from the start. Seems like there's a clear misunderstanding.

[Baller234]

I think you should re-read again from the start. Seems like there's a clear misunderstanding.

You said there was an upside to illegal immigration, did you not?


There are upsides to illegal immigration, but I think the downsides are 1000x worse. Looking into this is much better than dumb fearmongering narrative.

What is the upside?

[iamgine]

You said there was an upside to illegal immigration, did you not?



What is the upside?
Have you re-read? Are we still in a misunderstanding?

[RRR3]

Baby brain bawler :roll:

[Baller234]

Baby brain bawler :roll:

The only time you get upset over a death is when it's the death of a Hamas terrorist.

[Bill Gates]

You said there was an upside to illegal immigration, did you not?



What is the upside?

Besides building the roads you drive on and the house you sleep in and the building you work in?

https://live.staticflickr.com/5146/5662905485_4d800532a5_c.jpg

[Baller234]

Besides building the roads you drive on and the house you sleep in and the building you work in?

Roads are usually overseen by local governance, either the city or the county. I don't think they're hiring fence jumpers. Those jobs are usually contracted out to unions and local engineers. If it's general laborers we need, that could just as easily be accomplished with a legal immigration system. One where we screen everyone who's coming in.

This is ABC kindergarten stuff. Don't know why you guys are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[Bill Gates]

You don't know what you are talking about, there is a very large % of undocumented workers in many blue collar industries, including construction. They do all of the work that white suburbanites would commit suicide before doing. They are the ones that do that do all the cheap heavy lifting. And that is why 99% of them are coming here, to find work.

[Baller234]

You don't know what you are talking about, there is a very large % of undocumented workers in many blue collar industries, including construction. They do all of the work that white suburbanites would commit suicide before doing. They are the ones that do that do all the cheap heavy lifting. And that is why 99% of them are coming here, to find work.

I never said there weren't illegals in construction. I said they weren't paving the roads.

And with all due respect, you have no idea what the ratio of criminals to non-criminals is because you have zero knowledge about who's coming through. That is a total guess on your estimation based on absolutely nothing, and even if we ran with this 1% number that's would mean there's tens of thousands of violent criminals pouring in every year. After 5 years you could be looking at 60,000. These are potential robbers, muggers, gang members, murderers and rapists.

And on top of that, what was the excuse for letting this man slip through law enforcement twice? Why wasn't he deported the first time? So you guys want illegals pouring in AND you don't want to punish them for committing crime?

And republicans are the crazy ones for daring to bring this up?



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I also couldn't help but notice you went out of your way to demonize white suburbanites. Can I ask why? Are you telling me that black americans and other non-white americans DON'T have a problem doing these jobs? If that's the case then why do we need illegals in the first place? Why don't we give those jobs to black and brown people already living here?

Just curious since you decided to go with that framing.

[Hey Yo]

Who would've thought Bill Gates was 100% messican?

[diamenz]

Besides building the roads you drive on and the house you sleep in and the building you work in?

https://live.staticflickr.com/5146/5662905485_4d800532a5_c.jpg

r u sure it's illegals that are doing that kind of work? it's not... legal mexicans?


And that is why 99% of them are coming here, to find work.

but that's the issue. it's why we have a system in place to bring immigrants in at a fixed rate. we can't employ upwards of hundreds of thousands of people all at once. we can't house them either. look at the chaos it's caused in sanctuary cities. and don't tell me it's overblown right-wing culture war nonsense. i've seen it first-hand here in chicago.

in addition to that - they are indeed of not "sending their best". these people don't have degrees and half of them probably don't even have trade skills. we're supposed to flood the low-wage job market with mass amounts of people that don't speak english and find housing for them on a dime as well? at a time when the possibility of a recession still isn't outta the equation and americans may need these low-wage jobs?

not to mention as we've been talking about we don't know who these people are, haven't vetted them and don't know what their intentions are. it would be nice to assume that they're coming here to assimilate, learn english and adapt to our culture but we don't know if that's the case. at least not in all instances. why take that chance? make them go through the proper process.

what are we - the refugee capital of the world? btw - it's not just latins coming into this country... it's mass amounts of chinese and even middle eastern as well as africans flooding in. middle easterners - arabs... at a time when we're bombing the ME and abetting in a mass expulsion of arabs. not good for our national security.

that's why it's a problem. no one is against legal immigration and if they are they can feel free to speak up about why.

[Bill Gates]

https://immigrationforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Total-workforce-graphii.png

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/#:~:text=Since%202003%2C%20unauthorized%20immigran ts%20have,unauthorized%20immigrants%20in%20the%20w orkforce.

Overall, about 7.8 million unauthorized immigrants were in the U.S. labor force in 2021. That was up slightly from 2019 but smaller than every year from 2007 through 2015.




They make up 5% of our total workforce, with much higher percentages in the graphic posted here. And much higher percentages in the states near the border. Nevada, Texas, California, etc. The jobs that they obtain are the jobs that most legal citizens refuse to work, and there are shortages of. In fact there is a big shortage in the restaurant industry right now because no one wants to work it, and it is one of the few they can't take off our hands because it requires very fluent English.

[Bill Gates]

in addition to that - they are indeed of not "sending their best". these people don't have degrees and half of them probably don't even have trade skills. we're supposed to flood the low-wage job market with mass amounts of people that don't speak english and find housing for them on a dime as well? at a time when the possibility of a recession still isn't outta the equation and americans may need these low-wage jobs?


This is precisely what we want. Workers that are willing to do our slave labor work while our own citizens with degrees take the high paying jobs.

[Baller234]

Overall, about 7.8 million unauthorized immigrants were in the U.S. labor force in 2021. That was up slightly from 2019 but smaller than every year from 2007 through 2015.




They make up 5% of our total workforce, with much higher percentages in the graphic posted here. And much higher percentages in the states near the border. Nevada, Texas, California, etc. The jobs that they obtain are the jobs that most legal citizens refuse to work, and there are shortages of. In fact there is a big shortage in the restaurant industry right now because no one wants to work it, and it is one of the few they can't take off our hands because it requires very fluent English.

Hmm, interesting.

I thought you inferred it was just white suburbanites who refused to work those jobs. Why can't those jobs go to black and brown americans already living here?

[Bill Gates]

Hmm, interesting.

I thought you inferred it was just white suburbanites who refused to work those jobs. Why can't those jobs go to black and brown americans already living here?

They could go to anyone who wants them, most legal citizens don't. And almost no one in the burbs, which is the group that seems obsessed with immigration.

There has been a restaurant labor shortage for a while now. Many people would rather flat out be broke and homeless than bust tables. The US is a spoiled country, even the poor are spoiled, complaining on their iphones about how broke they are even though there are an abundance of job openings. They are just jobs they think they are too good for.

[paksat]

my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless

truth is left leaning policies and influences have destroyed most of american society however. Your average american walking down the road is far different than one in the 50s. You'd be hard pressed to win the gulf war or any war with most of your population having mass tattoos, mass piercings, pink/purple hair and beards, fluent in rap, not fluent in normal english, garbage work ethic, garbage everything for that matter... AND fat, not just fat, but literally obese

[Off the Court]

my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless

truth is left leaning policies and influences have destroyed most of american society however. Your average american walking down the road is far different than one in the 50s. You'd be hard pressed to win the gulf war or any war with most of your population having mass tattoos, mass piercings, pink/purple hair and beards, fluent in rap, not fluent in normal english, garbage work ethic, garbage everything for that matter... AND fat, not just fat, but literally obese

You think if the Gulf War were today we'd have issues because of tattoos and piercings? :roll:

Holy f@#k you are stupid :roll:

I bet those worthless latinos at your company wonder how they got stuck working with someone as stupid as you are.

[SATAN]

my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless



This is an interesting comment to say the least...

[diamenz]

my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless



this is not the case at all. i'm not sure about your particular instance (and if it's true then you're doing something wrong), but the majority of latins in this country here legally are some of the hardest workers you could ask for, especially in regard to hard labor.

[ShawkFactory]

my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless

truth is left leaning policies and influences have destroyed most of american society however. Your average american walking down the road is far different than one in the 50s. You'd be hard pressed to win the gulf war or any war with most of your population having mass tattoos, mass piercings, pink/purple hair and beards, fluent in rap, not fluent in normal english, garbage work ethic, garbage everything for that matter... AND fat, not just fat, but literally obese

Oof

:lol

[Baller234]

They could go to anyone who wants them, most legal citizens don't. And almost no one in the burbs, which is the group that seems obsessed with immigration.

There has been a restaurant labor shortage for a while now. Many people would rather flat out be broke and homeless than bust tables. The US is a spoiled country, even the poor are spoiled, complaining on their iphones about how broke they are even though there are an abundance of job openings. They are just jobs they think they are too good for.

Yea, I get it. I just think it's weird you chose to initially call out white suburbanites. You could have just as easily said "americans won't work these jobs"... yet you singled out white people.

In other words, the reason we need illegal immigration is because lazy and spoiled white people think they're above certain jobs. As always, you liberals make everything about white people.

Maybe that's why you guys are so indifferent to Laken Riley's murder. After all she was just a white suburbanite. She brought it on herself really. She should have worked on the construction site instead of going to college in Georgia, then maybe we wouldn't have had to let in her murderer.

[jstern]

Yea, I get it. I just think it's weird you chose to initially call out white suburbanites. You could have just as easily said "americans won't work these jobs"... yet you singled out white people.

In other words, the reason we need illegal immigration is because lazy and spoiled white people think they're above certain jobs. As always, you liberals make everything about white people.

Maybe that's why you guys are so indifferent to Laken Riley's murder. After all she was just a white suburbanite. She brought it on herself really. She should have worked on the construction site instead of going to college in Georgia, then maybe we wouldn't have had to let in her murderer.

Having been here for many years, that's literal Off the Court logic. ":roll: If she decided to get a construction job instead of going to college like a spoiled white girl, then she would still be alive."

[Long Duck Dong]

Police in Georgia(unclear which agency) started going around and arresting the killer's family members, who were here illegally, for using a false identity to obtain work. :lol Uhmm yeah.. why don't they start doing that on a regular basis for all non farm jobs. Why does someone have to die before law enforcement gets off their ass and do something. Pretty much every illegal is guilty of identity theft here in the US

[SATAN]

why don't they start doing that on a regular basis for all non farm jobs.

Why exclude farm jobs?

[Long Duck Dong]

Why exclude farm jobs?

Well obviously few of us Americans want to do that. Myself NOT included. Technology and AI is evolving rapidly, plus more and more of our green vegetable crops are grown in Mexico though, we will need just a small fraction of the farm workers we have now in 20 years.

[bladefd]

my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless

I highly doubt you have a business. If you did, you would have fired them if they were worthless and replaced them all. Or you are a horrendous, incompetent, and unintelligent businessman.

Stick to complaining about egg prices and how Biden has destroyed your life.

[SATAN]

Well obviously few of us Americans want to do that. Myself NOT included. Technology and AI is evolving rapidly, plus more and more of our green vegetable crops are grown in Mexico though, we will need just a small fraction of the farm workers we have now in 20 years.

So that justifies letting illegal immigrants in?

[SATAN]

Stick to complaining about egg prices and how Biden has destroyed your life.

:oldlol: