The Coward's Way: A Complete History Of The Decision That Ruined The NBA

[TheMan]

https://youtu.be/Il2GHlngQfE?si=72G8qQMySlR9GMDZ

:lol I mean, he's not wrong :confusedshrug:

[1987_Lakers]

He gives Wilt a pass for joining Jerry West and Elgin Baylor because he was "past his prime", but completely ignores that Wilt was coming off an MVP season. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Also leaves off that Moses Malone who was coming off an MVP season joined a Sixers team that had made the Finals 2 of the previous 3 years.

He tries to make it seem like team hopping is a fairly new thing and teams back then won organically, but in reality it's always been a thing, just not as popular as it later became.


:lol I mean, he's not wrong :confusedshrug:

He is, and I just showed you why.

/thread

[TheMan]

He gives Wilt a pass for joining Jerry West and Elgin Baylor because he was "past his prime", but completely ignores that Wilt was coming off an MVP season. :oldlol:

True...but other than that, spot on.

The Superteam Era of superstar friends hooking up with superstar friends sucked. Hopefully Joker and crew put an end to that trash era :applause:

[NBAGOAT]

True...but other than that, spot on.

The Superteam Era of superstar friends hooking up with superstar friends sucked. Hopefully Joker and crew put an end to that trash era :applause:

Joker already said luka can join him if he becomes unhappy in Dallas :lol. If Murray falls off and he’s had injury issues then Denver’s front office will go star hunting

[1987_Lakers]

True...but other than that, spot on.

The Superteam Era of superstar friends hooking up with superstar friends sucked. Hopefully Joker and crew put an end to that trash era :applause:

You won't like the recent comments Jokic made about Luka.

[TheMan]

You won't like the recent comments Jokic made about Luka.

Overall we're on the right path, Giannis Bucks a few years ago, the Warriors two years ago, DEN last year...no superstar colluding. No one really counts the last superstar chip, the Mickey Mouse ring so like I said, things looking up :applause:

[bdonovan]

https://youtu.be/Il2GHlngQfE?si=72G8qQMySlR9GMDZ

:lol I mean, he's not wrong :confusedshrug:

"The Heat hilariously couldn't win the championship in two of their four years"

This is an actual quote from the video. I lost IQ points watching this.

The downside of social media like YouTube is there is no quality bar. Whatever low IQ viewpoint you have can be vomited for all to see.

I feel wrong for even dignifying this garbage, but even a middle school student could invalidate this lazy perspective. The quality of a team is largely based on Front Office decisions. Maybe the maker of this video should revisit that simple notion. The Chicago Bulls were one of the greatest teams because Krause and Reinsdorf drafted well, traded for Pippen, found role players like Rodman, Grant, etc. If your team doesn't have the budget or makes bad choices, your options are to languish on a losing team forever or be pro-active and assemble one.

There's nothing more to say.

[SouBeachTalents]

For all the talk by Jordan fans that the GOAT debate isn't close, most of them are honestly quite shook by this dude :lol Even Jordan himself agreed to greenlight the Last Dance immediately after the 2016 Finals.

[TheMan]

For all the talk by Jordan fans that the GOAT debate isn't close, most of them are honestly quite shook by this dude :lol Even Jordan himself agreed to greenlight the Last Dance immediately after the 2016 Finals.

This isn't Jordan vs LBJ, not once have I even mentioned MJ. MJ isn't the only star that won organically, not even close. This is about the trash Superteam era brought to you by James.

Keep up...

[TheMan]

"The Heat hilariously couldn't win the championship in two of their four years"

This is an actual quote from the video. I lost IQ points watching this.

The downside of social media like YouTube is there is no quality bar. Whatever low IQ viewpoint you have can be vomited for all to see.

I feel wrong for even dignifying this garbage, but even a middle school student could invalidate this lazy perspective. The quality of a team is largely based on Front Office decisions. Maybe the maker of this video should revisit that simple notion. The Chicago Bulls were one of the greatest teams because Krause and Reinsdorf drafted well, traded for Pippen, found role players like Rodman, Grant, etc. If your team doesn't have the budget or makes bad choices, your options are to languish on a losing team forever or be pro-active and assemble one.

There's nothing more to say.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Thanks for chiming in!

[RRR3]

For all the talk by Jordan fans that the GOAT debate isn't close, most of them are honestly quite shook by this dude :lol Even Jordan himself agreed to greenlight the Last Dance immediately after the 2016 Finals.
Someone clearly better will make them even worse. Hopefully Wemby is.

[SATAN]

You can tell who only watches certain teams (in limited quantities) every year and promotes narratives instead of studying what's going on in the league. It's people like TheCousinFu...I mean, OP.

[RogueBorg]

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

And everyone else's stinks.

[Xiao Yao You]

Also leaves off that Moses Malone who was coming off an MVP season joined a Sixers team that had made the Finals 2 of the previous 3 years.

He tries to make it seem like team hopping is a fairly new thing and teams back then won organically, but in reality it's always been a thing, just not as popular as it later became.



He is, and I just showed you why.

/thread

It wasn't just Lebron joining a talented team though. Another all star came along to join their all star friend and they even took less money to do it. Other guys had to take less money to be role players on the team as well. It was almost a whole new team around them not one guy joining an already talented team. Which is a big reason it wasn't as easy as "not 1, not 2..." Totally different than anything before

[RogueBorg]

Also leaves off that Moses Malone who was coming off an MVP season joined a Sixers team that had made the Finals 2 of the previous 3 years.

He tries to make it seem like team hopping is a fairly new thing and teams back then won organically, but in reality it's always been a thing, just not as popular as it later became.



He is, and I just showed you why.

/thread

The Rockets franchise was sold, and the new owners decided that Malone's $2 million annual salary did not fit their plans. Houston matched the offer and agreed to trade Malone to the 76ers for Jones and their first-round pick in the 1983 NBA draft on September 15. It's hardly the same.

https://www.nba.com/sixers/news/sixers-history-trade-brought-chairman-philadelphia

[1987_Lakers]

It wasn't just Lebron joining a talented team though. Another all star came along to join their all star friend and they even took less money to do it.

And it hurt Miami's depth because of it. Another signing they made that people forget was Mike Miller, he was supposed to be their 4th option, but he completely fell off a cliff by the time he got to Miami, mostly due to injuries. In that first year in Miami they had a 35 year old Big Z and a 32 year old Mike Bibby starting for them in the playoffs, both averaged around 3 ppg in the postseason. :lol

Moses joined an already stacked team. It was similar to KD joining the Warriors in a way.

[1987_Lakers]

The Rockets franchise was sold, and the new owners decided that Malone's $2 million annual salary did not fit their plans. Houston matched the offer and agreed to trade Malone to the 76ers for Jones and their first-round pick in the 1983 NBA draft on September 15. It's hardly the same.

https://www.nba.com/sixers/news/sixers-history-trade-brought-chairman-philadelphia

Moses joined them as a free agent.

Technically, the Cavs traded LeBron to Miami but we know that isn't what happened. Cavs got like 4 draft picks from Miami.

[TheMan]

You can tell who only watches certain teams (in limited quantities) every year and promotes narratives instead of studying what's going on in the league. It's people like TheCousinFu...I mean, OP.

Seething :lol

I hate to break it to you but I didn't create the video...this is a narrative that a huge part of the NBA community believes. Why kill the messenger :confusedshrug: One of the reasons LeBron is one of the most hated athletes out there.

[tpols]

Yes...

We have never before seen the arguably number 1 and number 2 best players collude in their primes before and then they added an additional All NBA talent as the cherry on top of the cake.

It would be like Magic and Bird joining the same team in the 80s or MJ and Hakeem joining the same team in the 90s. And then having a losing Finals record together. Can you imagine that? :lol

[RogueBorg]

Yes...

We have never before seen the arguably number 1 and number 2 best players collude in their primes before and then they added an additional All NBA talent as the cherry on top of the cake.

It would be like Magic and Bird joining the same team in the 80s or MJ and Hakeem joining the same team in the 90s. And then having a losing Finals record together. Can you imagine that? :lol

The Lebron/Wade/Bosh Superteam came about because LBJ had just lost to Boston and felt he couldn't beat those guys.

An equivalent to that would have been Jordan joining the Pistons in the 80's because he couldn't beat Bird and the Celtics. That's why it's such a bitch move. Same with Durant. He had the Warriors down 3-1, lost, and then joined them. Pathetic.

[Hey Yo]

Kareem demanded a trade our of Milwaukee and threatened to sit out until he was.

Kobe refused to sign with the lottery Nets and would only sign with the contending Lakers...

Is there mention of that in the video?

[j3lademaster]

Kareem demanded a trade our of Milwaukee and threatened to sit out until he was.

Kobe refused to sign with the lottery Nets and would only sign with the contending Lakers...

Is there mention of that in the video?Comparing Kareem's situation to the Decision is laughable at best.

[Hey Yo]

The Lebron/Wade/Bosh Superteam came about because LBJ had just lost to Boston and felt he couldn't beat those guys.

An equivalent to that would have been Jordan joining the Pistons in the 80's because he couldn't beat Bird and the Celtics. That's why it's such a bitch move. Same with Durant. He had the Warriors down 3-1, lost, and then joined them. Pathetic.
MJ never hit free agency to sign with whomever he wanted
until the summer of 96'.... he took the money to become the highest paid player in 1988.

Miami wasn't nearly as good as Detroit before James was traded there.

[TheMan]

Kareem demanded a trade our of Milwaukee and threatened to sit out until he was.

Kobe refused to sign with the lottery Nets and would only sign with the contending Lakers...

Is there mention of that in the video?
Kobe was a nobody in the NBA at that point. LBJ was a two time MVP hooking up with another NBA top star along with a perennial All Star player to boot, all in their prime. You can't see the difference?

[Hey Yo]

Comparing Kareem's situation to the Decision is laughable at best.

One demanded a trade while under contract, the other was a free agent to choose where he wanted to play.

Fulfilling your commitment to the contract >>> doing the opposite.

[j3lademaster]

One demanded a trade while under contract, the other was a free agent to choose where he wanted to play.

Fulfilling your commitment to the contract >>> doing the opposite.Kareem already won in Milwaukee with a washed up Robertson and demanded a trade to a 30 win team. Nothing about this was cowardly or an attempt to stack the talent in his favor.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe was a nobody in the NBA at that point. LBJ was a two time MVP hooking up with another NBA top star along with a perennial All Star player to boot, all in their prime. You can't see the difference?
Yes, I'm sure James would have gotten a pass from the public if he told Cleveland that he wouldn't sign with them and only would sign with a contender :rolleyes:

Plus I'm sure ge would've gotten a 2nd pass for demanding a trade after 3 mediocre years as 1st option

[Hey Yo]

Kareem already won in Milwaukee with a washed up Robertson and demanded a trade to a 30 win team. Nothing about this was cowardly or an attempt to stack the talent in his favor.

He ducked the fulfillment of his contract... that's a bitch move that should be noted.

[mr4speed]

Yes...

We have never before seen the arguably number 1 and number 2 best players collude in their primes before and then they added an additional All NBA talent as the cherry on top of the cake.

It would be like Magic and Bird joining the same team in the 80s or MJ and Hakeem joining the same team in the 90s. And then having a losing Finals record together. Can you imagine that? :lol

And for me the worst thing I saw was the sound bite where Lebron said "not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6..." as a deliberate admission that this was expected to be a dynasty to yield enough rings so that Lebron could surpass Jordan's ring count. Then another sound bite after the great win against the Warriors "That one right there made me the greatest of all time" was just cringeworthy. I am not a Lebron hater but Lebron brings all this hostility upon himself with these quotes. Praise coming from other players will carry more weight than praising yourself. Just my opinion.

[Xiao Yao You]

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more help!

[tpols]

more help!

That's insane considering the whole league freaked out and the owners veto'ed Chris Paul's trade to LA to play with a past prime Kobe.

[Hey Yo]

more help!

allegedly

[Full Court]

The funniest thing about it is that Lebron joined a stacked super team and promised "not seven..."....









And then proceeded to drop the most epic choke job in the history of the entire sport. :roll:


Weep it out, Bronie fluffers.

:lebroncry:

[TheMan]

And for me the worst thing I saw was the sound bite where Lebron said "not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6..." as a deliberate admission that this was expected to be a dynasty to yield enough rings so that Lebron could surpass Jordan's ring count. Then another sound bite after the great win against the Warriors "That one right there made me the greatest of all time" was just cringeworthy. I am not a Lebron hater but Lebron brings all this hostility upon himself with these quotes. Praise coming from other players will carry more weight than praising yourself. Just my opinion.
The ironic part is that LeBron wants to be liked but his actions and words garner the exact opposite. I don't think I've ever seen a GOAT tier player of a sport so disliked like he is. Every great has their detractors but with LeBron, either you love him or you hate him. He tried embracing the villain part during the first season with the Heat but you could tell he wasn't comfortable in that role. Personally I don't hate James, I rooted for him and the Cavs when they were down 1-3 to the GSW in '16 but with the way he carries himself on and off the court, he makes it too easy to dislike him, haha.

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_LUnTQHV4c

“I never said it’s gonna be easy”

cuts to a clip of him saying it’s gonna be easy

:roll:

[Airupthere]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_LUnTQHV4c

“I never said it’s gonna be easy”

cuts to a clip of him saying it’s gonna be easy

:roll:

Career compilation for this guy is going to be ugly as hell after he retires :roll:

[SATAN]

Why do people only blame LeBron and not Wade? After all, it was his idea if the first place.

[Full Court]

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[Xiao Yao You]

That's insane considering the whole league freaked out and the owners veto'ed Chris Paul's trade to LA to play with a past prime Kobe.

they didn't have an owner so that was a unique situation

[Soundwave]

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This part of it was maximum cringe, if you wanted to go to Miami (which by the way I called that way before many people here or in the media were talking about, most people here thought he was going to re-up with Cleveland) ... fine.

But don't do that.

The "not 5 ... not 6 ... not 7" bit was really stupid especially when you actually delivered no where close to that.

[TheMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_LUnTQHV4c

“I never said it’s gonna be easy”

cuts to a clip of him saying it’s gonna be easy

:roll:
:oldlol:

[FKAri]

This part of it was maximum cringe, if you wanted to go to Miami (which by the way I called that way before many people here or in the media were talking about, most people here thought he was going to re-up with Cleveland) ... fine.

But don't do that.

The "not 5 ... not 6 ... not 7" bit was really stupid especially when you actually delivered no where close to that.

I just realized Bron is like the Trump of basketball. He just says whatever the fucc comes to his mind. No PR agent would've OK'd any of that shit.

[NBAGOAT]

I mean I still think Boston was catalyst for super team era. Still main point I disagree with op is thinking team hopping is over. Even with new cap eules(2nd apron) we’re in a league where you need multiple stars and if you only have one star, that star is leaving soon. Ik it’s kind of a loose definition of star but pacers didn’t even see one playoff run with their roster before trading for one in siakam and they’ve never traditionally gone star hunting. Weren’t wasting any of Haliburtons prime. Once in awhile you get a Luka 2022 run but you really need multiple stars to compete rn

[Phoenix]

Joker already said luka can join him if he becomes unhappy in Dallas :lol. If Murray falls off and he’s had injury issues then Denver’s front office will go star hunting

Joker already won though, that comment about Luka seems more like wanting to play with a good friend( which they seem to be) moreso than deck stacking. Though that's obviously a potentially dominant pairing but I wonder how well they actually mesh oncourt. Luka is extremely ball-dominant so how does that mesh with Jokic's skillset and traits?

[j3lademaster]

He ducked the fulfillment of his contract... that's a bitch move that should be noted.sure, whatever you want to say. But you do see why comparing KAJ’s trade demand to the Decision is very stupid, right?

[WhiteKyrie]

Skap Slaps … always on point

[Axe]

Cousins used to be a teammate of kong. Would he be considered a good part of a superteam?

[Xiao Yao You]

Cousins used to be a teammate of kong. Would he be considered a good part of a superteam?

If you like inefficient bum's sure