"Michael Jordan was not a good leader" - Bill Cartwright

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBIWOUPHv-4

[Xiao Yao You]

6 titles. 3 for you I'm guessing Bill :facepalm

[1987_Lakers]

I actually bumped into Cartwright years ago in SF and asked him who was tougher to guard between Kareem & Hakeem and he gave me this unexpected answer of "I didn't look at my opponents that way, my job was to go 100% with no fear against anyone". The way he tried to prop up himself like he was some superstar was funny to see.

It's no secret Cartwright didn't like MJ and vice versa. MJ would tell teammates to not pass him the ball, but many people felt Cartwright was the leader on that 1st 3 peat team, kinda in a Dad way.

[Xiao Yao You]

I actually bumped into Cartwright years ago in SF and asked him who was tougher to guard between Kareem & Hakeem and he gave me this unexpected answer of "I didn't look at my opponents that way, my job was to go 100% with no fear against anyone". The way he tried to prop up himself like he was some superstar was funny to see.

It's no secret Cartwright didn't like MJ and vice versa. MJ would tell teammates to not pass him the ball, but many people felt Cartwright was the leader on that 1st 3 peat team, kinda in a Dad way.

Oakley was his buddy and they traded him for Cartwright

[Kblaze8855]

The players essentially work, travel, and live with their teammates for years. It’s natural they would have a different perspective than the fans who watch them play and make assumptions based on results and media. Who am I to say how players felt personally? Obviously he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Is a known jerk. I’m sure some are motivated and sone just hate you. Not everyone wants to come to work and deal with an asshole who gets away with it because he’s too powerful due to his ability and status. Personally…it’s still man to man. The company performing well doesn’t mean you all get along with the bully at work.

Im sure it’s much deeper than basketball. Buses, flights, practice, months on the road in hotels together…the real games are very little of the time spent.

I wasn’t there to see anything but the games so I can hardly argue with the people who were.

Far as I know none of them say he wasn’t a dominant player. Thats the part that’s indisputable. The personal aspect and all…we can’t really speak to.

[tontoz]

In the Jordan Rules they mentioned Jordan walking down a hallway and Stacey King was walking towards him carrying a box. Jordan says "I hope you got a jump shot in there". :lol

[1987_Lakers]

In the Jordan Rules they mentioned Jordan walking down a hallway and Stacey King was walking towards him carrying a box. Jordan says "I hope you got a jump shot in there". :lol

They also mentioned MJ, Horace, & Pippen all meeting up discussing the size of their son's private parts. They actually measured to see which son had the biggest. Imagine what would happen if shit like the got out today with current players. :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

In the Jordan Rules they mentioned Jordan walking down a hallway and Stacey King was walking towards him carrying a box. Jordan says "I hope you got a jump shot in there". :lol

King was a high pick that didn't do much

[RogueBorg]

I actually bumped into Cartwright years ago in SF and asked him who was tougher to guard between Kareem & Hakeem and he gave me this unexpected answer of "I didn't look at my opponents that way, my job was to go 100% with no fear against anyone". The way he tried to prop up himself like he was some superstar was funny to see.

It's no secret Cartwright didn't like MJ and vice versa. MJ would tell teammates to not pass him the ball, but many people felt Cartwright was the leader on that 1st 3 peat team, kinda in a Dad way.

Cartwright shot 41% in '92-'93, they shouldn't have ever passed to him.

[Xiao Yao You]

Cartwright shot 41% in '92-'93, they shouldn't have ever passed to him.

pretty ugly for a guy that is shooting everything close to the basket especially

[tontoz]

King was a high pick that didn't do much

He was a lazy underachiever. Horace Grant's younger brother Harvey warned about King after the Bulls drafted him, saying he wouldn't work hard.

[Xiao Yao You]

He was a lazy underachiever. Horace Grant's younger brother Harvey warned about King after the Bulls drafted him, saying he wouldn't work hard.

did Harvey work hard? I remember him putting up some big stats on bad teams. From what I remember King wasn't even much in college until his last season

[TheMan]

Bill Cartwright..."boo hoo hoo, he dragged us to 3 chips, boo hoo hoo..." :cry:

[TheMan]

Cartwright shot 41% in '92-'93, they shouldn't have ever passed to him.

41% for a big is absolutely atrocious:lol

[tontoz]

did Harvey work hard? I remember him putting up some big stats on bad teams. From what I remember King wasn't even much in college until his last season

Harvey was a decent role player.

[Xiao Yao You]

Harvey was a decent role player.

could say the same for King playing a role on championship teams but considering where he was drafted a lot more was expected

[Kblaze8855]

Bill Cartwright..."boo hoo hoo, he dragged us to 3 chips, boo hoo hoo..." :cry:


seriously. Think about it for a second. You think people tend to care about work success when the issue is personal problems? When I ask you about an asshole that you worked with are you factoring in whatever success the company as a whole might’ve had while you worked with him? Do you feel like that’s what I’m asking you about?

That man is in his 60s or 70s. He’s a grandfather, former all star, and coach who has been around for 40 years.

I don’t think he bases his feelings on how people should be treated in the game on the team results of 3 years other people think defines his life.

[jlip]

Although this is a recent interview, I thought that it was common knowledge amongst non-casuals that several of MJ's teammates didn't really see him as a good leader. Even Phil Jackson addressed this at some point.

[RRR3]

Why do people thinking Jordan winning and dominating excuses him being an abusive asshole? He won because he was the best not because he was a nice guy. Like kblaze said plenty of successful companies have bosses who are evil as ****. Believe it or not I think most players would rather play with a team they can fun in than in a toxic environment even if they win in the toxic environment. Russell Westbrook has never won. But his teammates all love him cuz he’s a nice guy.

[Jimmy Rustler]

I judge leadership by results

Leading your team to two three-peats is better than leading a super team to the lottery.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Why do people thinking Jordan winning and dominating excuses him being an abusive asshole? He won because he was the best not because he was a nice guy. Like kblaze said plenty of successful companies have bosses who are evil as ****. Believe it or not I think most players would rather play with a team they can fun in than in a toxic environment even if they win in the toxic environment. Russell Westbrook has never won. But his teammates all love him cuz he’s a nice guy.

Winning supercedes everything. Rings are forever.

Your take is shit just like every other take you have.

Stop posting or I will bully you off this site

[Nowoco]

All these ex Bulls running their mouths. They all have three options.

1. Say nothing

2. Say positive things about MJ

3. Throw shade at MJ

If they chose the first two options, no-one will give a shit. If they chose option 3, they get a few headlines and the talking heads/forums like this will discuss it. Burning bridges, alienating fans isn't as high a priority as getting their name out there and being relevant. Look at Scottie Pippen's book publicity campaign. He obviously didnt make enough money off of it otherwise he wouldn't be doing this slander tour Down Under. His next book should be titled "How to destroy your reputation and legacy in 10 easy steps" by Scottie Pippen.

[SATAN]

All these ex Bulls running their mouths. They all have three options.

1. Say nothing

2. Say positive things about MJ

3. Throw shade at MJ

If they chose the first two options, no-one will give a shit. If they chose option 3, they get a few headlines and the talking heads/forums like this will discuss it. Burning bridges, alienating fans isn't as high a priority as getting their name out there and being relevant. Look at Scottie Pippen's book publicity campaign. He obviously didnt make enough money off of it otherwise he wouldn't be doing this slander tour Down Under. His next book should be titled "How to destroy your reputation and legacy in 10 easy steps" by Scottie Pippen.

Bill is being interviewed by a random dude for YouTube and gave his thoughts when asked. It's not a conspiracy against MJ or Bill "getting his name out there and being relevant".

You people are ridiculous. It's truly like a weird obsessive cult.

[90sgoat]

In the Jordan Rules they mentioned Jordan walking down a hallway and Stacey King was walking towards him carrying a box. Jordan says "I hope you got a jump shot in there". :lol

That's not exactly vicious bullying.

There are many examples of MJ bullying teammates for real tho.

I have Bird as GOAT after I watched The Last Dance.

[Jimmy Rustler]

That's not exactly vicious bullying.

There are many examples of MJ bullying teammates for real tho.

I have Bird as GOAT after I watched The Last Dance.

As best as I can tell, Jordan was genuinely a lousy person. That has nothing to do with being the GOAT basketball player though. Basketball rankings go by how you play the game of basketball. Someone being mean is irrelevant.

I'm consistent about it too. For example, I still have Lebron in the top 10 of all time even though he tried to trademark Taco Tuesday.

[FilmyCogTurner]

In the Jordan Rules they mentioned Jordan walking down a hallway and Stacey King was walking towards him carrying a box. Jordan says "I hope you got a jump shot in there". :lol

This is seriously considered bullying? Guys riff on each and sometimes its about something true that hurts, doesn't make the guy saying the joke a bad human and there's tons of stories out of there of Jordan being ultra altruistic with his fans.

[TheMan]

Why do people thinking Jordan winning and dominating excuses him being an abusive asshole? He won because he was the best not because he was a nice guy. Like kblaze said plenty of successful companies have bosses who are evil as ****. Believe it or not I think most players would rather play with a team they can fun in than in a toxic environment even if they win in the toxic environment. Russell Westbrook has never won. But his teammates all love him cuz he’s a nice guy.

You can’t be serious with this post :lol

People acting like MJ was pushing old ladies and drowning kittens SMH. He was demanding the best from his teammates to WIN which is the ultimate goal in sports. I'd rather root for a guy on my favorite team who wants to win and gives a damn than a nice guy who everyone likes but at least they're having fun :facepalm

[TheMan]

seriously. Think about it for a second. You think people tend to care about work success when the issue is personal problems? When I ask you about an asshole that you worked with are you factoring in whatever success the company as a whole might’ve had while you worked with him? Do you feel like that’s what I’m asking you about?

That man is in his 60s or 70s. He’s a grandfather, former all star, and coach who has been around for 40 years.

I don’t think he bases his feelings on how people should be treated in the game on the team results of 3 years other people think defines his life.

People in general are ingrates. Nobody would remember Bill Cartwright if he didn't play on the first threepeat Bulls.

[iamgine]

Of course not. Very few of these superstars were good leaders. You think Hakeem or Larry Bird were good leaders? Shaq? Kobe? Wilt? Moses? Kareem?

Guys like Drob might be one of the good leaders cause of his military background.

[SATAN]

People acting like MJ was pushing old ladies

He did try to cheat an old lady out of her cash in a game of poker though. :durantunimpressed:


People in general are ingrates. Nobody would remember Bill Cartwright if he didn't play on the first threepeat Bulls.

Who could forget that free throw form? :confusedshrug:

[Overdrive]

People in general are ingrates. Nobody would remember Bill Cartwright if he didn't play on the first threepeat Bulls.

You don't get either post. It's not about vow Bill Cartwright is viewed, but how he felt working for the Bulls. He obviously didn't like it and that's a sentiment that should be respected. That doesn't make Jordan a worse basketballplayer, but some of you guys go out of your way defending everything about your favourite player - up to dicksize, because it just can't be that you'd root for a nonperfect human being.

[ImKobe]

Jordan probably reached his level of greatness because he was a complete sociopath. You kind of have to be to perform at your best when the pressure is at it's highest. Doesn't mean his teammates deserved to be disrespected as much, but his approach clearly worked for him.

This is nothing new though, we know he's been an asshole for decades. There's so many stories of Jordan being an asshole to random people outside of sports.

[tpols]

You can be an asshole and still be a great leader. The two labels aren't mutually exclusive.

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were notorious assholes, yet led companies to the top with their work ethic and ruthlessness. Being a leader doesn't mean being a nice guy.

[warriorfan]

In the Jordan Rules they mentioned Jordan walking down a hallway and Stacey King was walking towards him carrying a box. Jordan says "I hope you got a jump shot in there". :lol

:roll:

jordan is the best

[Kblaze8855]

People in general are ingrates. Nobody would remember Bill Cartwright if he didn't play on the first threepeat Bulls.

Nobody remembers either of us at all. That mean we don’t get to have opinions on people we worked with who treated people badly?

I don’t know why fans think team success or fame matters to people who just want to be treated decently.

Winning a ring doesn’t define the life of a 70 year old who led a full life to anyone but fans who don’t know him. That shit isn’t life. Hundreds of people have rings. Doesn’t mean they’re supposed to be walking around 30-50 years later licking the boots of players on the team if they treated them like shit. People with rings are working at a car wash right now at 58. That shit means nothing to real life.

It’s like fans forget people are human first. That’s a grown ass man. You think he’s basing his personal opinions on people he practically lived with on ring count? Really? You think that’s how personal relationships are measured? Professional success?

I somehow doubt everyone who played with Shaq would tell you he’s a great leader just because he won a sack of rings. Being a dominant player and being a great leader just aren’t the same thing. Haslem was voted captain like 12-15 years in a row and peaked at slightly above average. Greatness and leadership are related but mostly in that legacy talk fan perspective. The leadership among the players and team isnt always what outsiders may think.

Not having been in the locker room all I can do is get it from those who were. Not like anyone questions his ability to play. A lot of them seem to have issues with behavior. And success doesn’t make it invalid any more than it does in any other walk of life. Jordan might have been a shit human and leader who won because he was great at basketball(there have been several) and he may have been the cliche fiery leader who pushed people to be the best.

Ive heard suggestions from inside that lean both ways. I don’t know what’s true. I just know I’m in no position to say because I saw them on tv.

[warriorfan]

Nobody remembers either of us at all. That mean we don’t get to have opinions on people we worked with who treated people badly?

I don’t know why fans think team success or fame matters to people who just want to be treated decently.

Winning a ring doesn’t define the life of a 70 year old who led a full life to anyone but fans who don’t know him. That shit isn’t life. Hundreds of people have rings. Doesn’t mean they’re supposed to be walking around 30-50 years later licking the boots of players on the team if they treated them like shit. People with rings are working at a car wash right now at 58. That shit means nothing to real life.

It’s like fans forget people are human first. That’s a grown ass man. You think he’s basing his personal opinions on people he practically lived with on ring count? Really? You think that’s how personal relationships are measured? Professional success?

I somehow doubt everyone who played with Shaq would tell you he’s a great leader just because he won a sack of rings. Being a dominant player and being a great leader just aren’t the same thing. Haslem was voted captain like 12-15 years in a row and peaked at slightly above average. Greatness and leadership are related but mostly in that legacy talk fan perspective. The leadership among the players and team isnt always what outsiders may think.

Not having been in the locker room all I can do is get it from those who were. Not like anyone questions his ability to play. A lot of them seem to have issues with behavior. And success doesn’t make it invalid any more than it does in any other walk of life. Jordan might have been a shit human and leader who won because he was great at basketball(there have been several) and he may have been the cliche fiery leader who pushed people to be the best.

Ive heard suggestions from inside that lean both ways. I don’t know what’s true. I just know I’m in no position to say because I saw them on tv.

No one gives a f.uck if Bill Cartwright or any other athlete gets their feelings hurt

We men.

[tpols]

I'm honestly trying to think of great leaders who weren't assholes. 99% are because they have the most talent and highest standards and they're constantly trying to get people below them to rise their level up to what they expect from themselves.

Ever seen a Gordon Ramsey video?


https://youtu.be/Y2Rom_FdQtc?si=KWU055XaMn3uy4gR

3 Star Michelin Chef who took all his money and put it into a GOAT level restaurant and I could show you many more videos of him absolutely shitting on people.

That's the GOAT standard though... and the only way you can make it that high with a team is to be an asshole when people **** up and make them rise to your level.

[Kblaze8855]

No one gives a f.uck if Bill Cartwright or any other athlete gets their feelings hurt

We men.

As I understand it Bill handled it like one and told him he’d break both his legs if he kept disrespecting and he stopped ****ing with him. Sports fans have to be the only group of people who rep the bully not the one who stands up to it like we all teach our sons to do.

If you want to call someone trying to bully you hurting your feelings you do that. That isn’t generally how it’s looked at. To me…getting on people you have more professional status than kinda feels like a bitch move. Guys like Jordan or Kobe or Lebron know they have the power franchise wise. You can push people around with it.

I don’t know why it’s seen as tough in sports. Some nobody can’t handle one of these stars like you do man to man without losing money and status so they can act tough. To me the tough ones are the ones who stand up for themselves. Takes a lot more toughness for some washed up vet barely hanging on to stand up to some loud mouthed superstar than for that star to talk shit to someone 50 tiers below him on the power rankings.

Stars are protected by status. Role players have to man up. The hero worship, fame, and financial considerations make it easy for stars to be tough. That we all go through life seeing these ******* in power picking on the little guy who can’t fight back without risking his career and don’t see how lame it is amazes me.

The guy with all the power and status pushing people around isn’t being a man. The one who stands up for himself is far more respectable. Status just makes most little guys take it. It’s telling when one won’t put up with it.

Thats the one acting like a man.

[Baller234]

As I understand it Bill handled it like one and told him he’d break both his legs if he kept disrespecting and he stopped ****ing with him. Sports fans have to be the only group of people who rep the bully not the one who stands up to it like we all teach our sons to do.

If you want to call someone trying to bully you hurting your feelings you do that. That isn’t generally how it’s looked at. To me…getting on people you have more professional status than kinda feels like a bitch move. Guys like Jordan or Kobe or Lebron know they have the power franchise wise. You can push people around with it.

I don’t know why it’s seen as tough in sports. Some nobody can’t handle one of these stars like you do man to man without losing money and status so they can act tough. To me the tough ones are the ones who stand up for themselves. Takes a lot more toughness for some washed up vet barely hanging on to stand up to some loud mouthed superstar than for that star to talk shit to someone 50 tiers below him on the power rankings.

Stars are protected by status. Role players have to man up. The hero worship, fame, and financial considerations make it easy for stars to be tough. That we all go through life seeing these ******* in power picking on the little guy who can’t fight back without risking his career and don’t see how lame it is amazes me.

The guy with all the power and status pushing people around isn’t being a man. The one who stands up for himself is far more respectable. Status just makes most little guys take it. It’s telling when one won’t put up with it.

Thats the one acting like a man.

Jordan wanted to make sure his teammates were killers. Poking them was part of it. He said as much in the Last Dance. He wanted his guys to get on the same level as him. I think making Bill angry was the point.

And what do you know... Bill gets to go down in history now. No it probably isn't the most important thing in his life, but I bet he's made a decent living off that name and being who he is. Without Jordan that doesn't happen. He's probably just another retired player that barely anyone knows. He definitely isn't doing podcasts 30 years later.

[dankok8]

I didn't get an impression that Cartwright wanted to rip on MJ in that interview. He just talked about how MJ treated people. Besides leadership is such a slippery concept. And a bit overrated at that because all NBA stars are obviously very self-motivated people. Take for instance Steve Kerr. He's extremely competitive which you can see if you ever watched him even as a coach. Did he really need MJ blasting him or punching him or whatever to get the most out of himself? I doubt it.

[Kblaze8855]

You think overly aggressive managers in any walk of life justified with anything but wanting improve performance? That’s always the line. The fact is some people are just jerks. And the position there and allows them to get away with it. The shit isn’t unique to sports. And the root cause is the same. It isn’t necessary for success. I’ve yet to hear story on anyone having to tell Duncan they would beat his ass. Russell was intense but he had the love and respect of everybody around him. There are stories you can read about his time as player coach just showing respect to everyone around him as men and letting everyone have input from the rookie to the other stars. He won more than anybody before him, or since on all levels. You don’t have to be hated to win.

Forget Jordan for a moment. The hero worship associated with big names makes it hard. The name doesn’t really matter. There have been both successful and unsuccessful assholes who use their position of power to push people around because of professional or societal restrictions on how you can handle it.

It isn’t some positive trait when the person is great at their job. Be it Jordan and Kobe disrespecting people or LeBron with his subliminal shots in the media and treating people like they’re beneath him? It’s all soft behavior to me. These people are protected by status, not toughness. It’s money and fame. It’s being the star. Someone like Kevin Love should’ve stepped to LeBron and told him if he has a problem, he can come talk to him not send stupid “stop trying to fit out and fit in” messages through the media because I’m not in your little clique. Guy was going through all kind of problems and suffered personally and professionally.

Yes, he won. A lot of people have had professional success around assholes. Doesn’t make them less of an asshole. I have more respect for an asshole acting that way towards a true peer. ****ing with people who can’t defend themselves without risking their livelihood and status is just soft.

I somehow doubt LeBron was doing that shit to Wade. Kobe I can give more of a pass because he was an asshole to Shaq as well. But Shaq was in a position to stand up for himself, and he did. Shaq will come to you. The little people? That’s the difference between being tough and being a bully. Some nobody can’t step to an icon. You’re off the team, if not out of the NBA. Jordans day it was more acceptable to stand up for yourself. Cartwright did. Robert Parish,m went to Jordan and told him he wasn’t as enamored as these young players when he was pushing him around. Jordan told him he would beat his ass, and Robert is said to walked right up to his face and told him no, he really wouldn’t.

Classic bully behavior. Push till they step up to you. Guys like Bill and Parish were long established vets who wouldn’t put up with it. Thats being a man. Sports fans are so caught up in hero worship they support The attempted bully who backs down when somebody stands up to him. Sports totally rewrites the minds of people. Like it isn’t life anymore.

every person reading this would smile if not outright cheer if the new guy cussed out or just slapped the established guy trying to push him around. In real life we rep the one who stood up for himself not the guy using his status to get away with being a jerk in ways you can’t outside work.

[Kblaze8855]

And what do you know... Bill gets to go down in history now. No it probably isn't the most important thing in his life, but I bet he's made a decent living off that name and being who he is. Without Jordan that doesn't happen. He's probably just another retired player that barely anyone knows. He definitely isn't doing podcasts 30 years later.



Bill was the best player in California, a college all American, the third pick in the draft, an all star on the Knicks, a 15 year vet, and a coach for 17 years. I suspect he’d still be ok if the Knicks traded him to the Warriors. I doubt that no name podcast is paying his bills. NBA lifers don’t need random 19-year-olds to remember them to make a living. He makes over 200K a year just off his player pension. And he has his coaches one on top of that. And the millions he made playing and coaching. He doesn’t strike me as an idiot. I’m sure he would get by if people who already don’t respect him simply didn’t remember his name. Players don’t owe stars they played with their lives.

[Airupthere]

Basketball is not comparable to typical work places. Yes MJ was an asshole, but imagine being in a sport full of assholes, from players to coaches, management, media, etc.

[Kblaze8855]

Basketball is not comparable to typical work places. Yes MJ was an asshole, but imagine being in a sport full of assholes, from players to coaches, management, media, etc.

sounds like life. I’ve never worked anywhere that wasn’t full of assholes. Have you? Is it your life experience that assholes are rare, outsides sports?

[tpols]

I've never seen anybody get cursed out in corporate office jobs like I did in locker rooms or kitchens. Definitely a different standard of communication. HR would have your ass whacked if there was proof of abuse and there's no HR in the previously mentioned domains.

[Baller234]

Bill was the best player in California, a college all American, the third pick in the draft, an all star on the Knicks, a 15 year vet, and a coach for 17 years. I suspect he’d still be ok if the Knicks traded him to the Warriors. I doubt that no name podcast is paying his bills. NBA lifers don’t need random 19-year-olds to remember them to make a living. He makes over 200K a year just off his player pension. And he has his coaches one on top of that. And the millions he made playing and coaching. He doesn’t strike me as an idiot. I’m sure he would get by if people who already don’t respect him simply didn’t remember his name. Players don’t owe stars they played with their lives.

I didn't say Cartwright owed MJ his life, just that he's no doubt benefited tremendously from being his teammate and for being on those championship bulls teams. Even if he made a decent living as a player, there's no telling how many doors it must have opened for him throughout his life. The fact that anyone even mentions his name at all in the year 2024 is because of Jordan.

Doesn't mean Cartwright isn't entitled to his opinion. That was just Mike's approach to leadership. He tested you.

[Airupthere]

sounds like life. I’ve never worked anywhere that wasn’t full of assholes. Have you? Is it your life experience that assholes are rare, outsides sports?

I'm not saying being an asshole is cool. But if someone will be an asshole, at least bring results that could bring you a rare achievements. My experience? I would agree with you, that there are a lot of assholes everywhere.

[Duffy Pratt]

41% for a big is absolutely atrocious:lol

He shot 55% consistently with the Knicks on much higher volume. He got to Chicago and his attempts and accuracy immediately dropped.

[Kblaze8855]

I'm not saying being an asshole is cool. But if someone will be an asshole, at least bring results that could bring you a rare achievements. My experience? I would agree with you, that there are a lot of assholes everywhere.


thing is, I don’t even mind that MJ was an asshole. It doesn’t change my perception of his ability to play basketball at all. But I’m not gonna judge another grown man for his opinion on how he is treated in person by somebody somebody he worked with. A lot of people who act that way need to be dealt with. And people in Jordan’s position often aren’t touchable due to factors entirely outside their toughness. It’s being a status tough guy which to me is even worse than a physical bully. A physical bully eventually has to back it up. A status bully isnt protected by his manhood. He’s protected by financial concerns and job title.

people who use their status to push others around, who would otherwise beat their ass are some of the most lame humans I’ve ever known. Star athletes in a lot of sports are like the owners son in a business. They push you around because you can’t do anything about it. How so many people respect it when it’s in sports is beyond me.

A bitch is a bitch, even if he can shoot hit a baseball or catch a football.

[SATAN]

Kblaze nailed it. Acting like all these ex teammates ain't shit and must be looking for attention or whatever is just sad.

People with abusive personalities are getting called out left right and center these days. Not a bad thing.

[RogueBorg]

He shot 55% consistently with the Knicks on much higher volume. He got to Chicago and his attempts and accuracy immediately dropped.

1992-'93 Chicago Bulls
Will Perdue 56%
Scott Williams 47%
Stacey King 47%
Bill Cartwright 41% - played more minutes than all of them.

Not to mention, his Per 36 Minutes stats
10.2 ppg
6.7 rpg
0.3 bpg

Absolutely atrocious. 0.3 blocks/game from your starting center <SMH>