If Jokic wins MVP over SGA, just strip Derrick Rose 2011 MVP & give it back to Bron

[k0kakw0rld]

Rose won because the Bulls had a better record than the Heat.
LeBron had better stats all across the board

[RachlNicholsazz]

Did you mean give it to Superman?

Bran wasn't 2nd in voting that year. It was Dwight Howard

[elementally morale]

We don't know which team will have the better record by the end of the year. The difference is half a game (or one more loss). Not big enough either way. Winning 56 or 58 games out of 82 is basically the same. What if OKC loses 2 games more in this stretch than the Nuggets? Will it make SGA less deserving of MVP?

[Duffy Pratt]

The whole thing is kind of silly. People place much too much importance on it when making their GOAT arguments, and people are way too focused on their GOAT arguments in the first place. MVP is decided by voters who can be manipulated. Last year, we saw how easy they can be manipulated. Same goes for all-star consideration.

If you take Shai off of OKC and they are a lottery team. Take Joker off of the Nuggets and they are a lottery team. It’s quite meaningless to argue about who is more valuable. If you wanted to create a true MVP, you should simply do away with the salary cap and make it so that every contract can be bought out by any team at the end of the year. Then we would find out who is most valuable. I suspect the answer right now is Joker, but Wemby might be close.

[elementally morale]

The whole thing is kind of silly. People place much too much importance on it when making their GOAT arguments, and people are way too focused on their GOAT arguments in the first place. MVP is decided by voters who can be manipulated. Last year, we saw how easy they can be manipulated. Same goes for all-star consideration.

If you take Shai off of OKC and they are a lottery team. Take Joker off of the Nuggets and they are a lottery team. It’s quite meaningless to argue about who is more valuable. If you wanted to create a true MVP, you should simply do away with the salary cap and make it so that every contract can be bought out by any team at the end of the year. Then we would find out who is most valuable. I suspect the answer right now is Joker, but Wemby might be close.

If you could bid for a player for next year only, maybe. But the plug and play part is important here. Which player can you insert without building around him for years? Just put him on the floor with the rest of your current team and achieve the best results via the signing.

[Duffy Pratt]

If you could bid for a player for next year only, maybe. But the plug and play part is important here. Which player can you insert without building around him for years? Just put him on the floor with the rest of your current team and achieve the best results via the signing.

Fair point. The more I watch the Nuggets, the clearer it becomes that a large part of Jokic’s greatness depends upon how well the other guys fit into what they are doing, and how willing they are to take on those roles. He’s said that he doesn’t have to look to know where Gordon is. While this may sound like an exaggeration I don’t think it is. I’ve seen several times where, with the second unit, he has turned the ball over by throwing a skip pass intended for a player who just wasn’t where he expected him to be. Developing that kind of chemistry takes time, good coaching, the right attitudes and talent.

Oh, and I revise what I said before. From the standpoint of monetary value, if even for only a year, LeBron and Steph are still the most valuable. They won’t necessarily get the most wins, but they easily bring in the most bucks. It’s almost unimaginable how much they would be paid if they were on an open market.

[Axe]

Op is an idiot.

[RogueBorg]

Rose won because the Bulls had a better record than the Heat.
LeBron had better stats all across the board

Wait a minute, Lebron only has 4 MVP's in 21 seasons...how pathetic.

[Xiao Yao You]

Op is an idiot.

Concise and direct sentence. Bravo! :cheers:

[k0kakw0rld]

Op is an idiot.
You are showing us how smart you are obviously :oldlol:

I'm stating facts here

[pandiani17]

I don't know why pre-injury Derrick Rose is so underrated. He won rookie of the year, destroyed the the Celtics in the 2009 post-season, made the All-Star team his sophomore year and yes, he deserved the MVP in 2011. He improved dramatically his 3-point shooting, he had great athleticism and was a great leader. He also came through in the clutch a lot. However, casual fans tend to think that he was just another great PG, instead of one of the deadliest players in the league. You just have to look at his team, after his injury they never made a deep play-off run anymore.

[k0kakw0rld]

I don't know why pre-injury Derrick Rose is so underrated. He won rookie of the year, destroyed the the Celtics in the 2009 post-season, made the All-Star team his sophomore year and yes, he deserved the MVP in 2011. He improved dramatically his 3-point shooting, he had great athleticism and was a great leader. He also came through in the clutch a lot. However, casual fans tend to think that he was just another great PG, instead of one of the deadliest players in the league. You just have to look at his team, after his injury they never made a deep play-off run anymore.
That's not the point here. Nobody said he wasn't great. We are just saying that LeBron should've won it because he had better stats all across the board. The Heat were #2 to the Bulls.

If OKC finishes ahead of Denver, Jokic shouldn't be winning the MVP.

[RachlNicholsazz]

That's not the point here. Nobody said he wasn't great. We are just saying that LeBron should've won it because he had better stats all across the board. The Heat were #2 to the Bulls.


If they hadn't given it to Rose then Dwight Howard should have won it. 23/14 on 59% shooting and was the best defender in the league(he won DMVP that year). You could argue Lebron shouldn't have won MVP at all during his time with the Heatles. He was playing on a super team with 2 other all stars in their prime. Curry and Durant didn't win a single MVP when they were on a super team together.

[Axe]

Concise and direct sentence. Bravo! :cheers:
Oh here he is, my most loyal bitch. :roll:

[pandiani17]

That's not the point here. Nobody said he wasn't great. We are just saying that LeBron should've won it because he had better stats all across the board. The Heat were #2 to the Bulls.

If OKC finishes ahead of Denver, Jokic shouldn't be winning the MVP.

In other threads people usually have the wrong perception of him, so whatever the point is, I am standing up for my guy D-Rose here.

[Overdrive]

That's not the point here. Nobody said he wasn't great. We are just saying that LeBron should've won it because he had better stats all across the board. The Heat were #2 to the Bulls.

If OKC finishes ahead of Denver, Jokic shouldn't be winning the MVP.

Who is this we? Are the other people in the same room as you? Is that the reason this account stans like 12 teams?

[Axe]

Who is this we? Are the other people in the same room as you? Is that the reason this account stans like 12 teams?
:oldlol:

[k0kakw0rld]

Who is this we? Are the other people in the same room as you? Is that the reason this account stans like 12 teams?
12 teams? :facepalm

Thousands of players have played in the NBA. There's no way you like/appreciate one player, it makes absolutely no sense. I am canadian, I live in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area). I've been rooting for the Raptors my whole life. SGA is from Toronto but grew up in Hamilton, Ontario. My friends played against him at the YMCA. You are clearly a moron and so is that b-tch ass AXE.

[k0kakw0rld]

:oldlol:

That's all you can do. A straight clown period

[k0kakw0rld]

Who is this we? Are the other people in the same room as you? Is that the reason this account stans like 12 teams?
Go ahead and name them, f-kin idiot smh...

[Axe]

Three straight replies from the most incel canadian cuck. :applause:

[k0kakw0rld]

Three straight replies from the most incel canadian cuck. :applause:

I like to take my time to address stupidity. You are clearly an idiot.

[bison]

Jokic >> Bron

Rose >> SGA

iykyk

[Axe]

I like to take my time to address stupidity.
Meltdown. Says the autistic buffoon who hasn't even visited his 'banchero has regressed' thread yet for quite a while now. :confusedshrug: :roll:

[SATAN]

Nice 35/17/12/6/2 game by the real MVP to bring Denver back from a 25 point deficit. :bowdown:

[k0kakw0rld]

Nice 35/17/12/6/2 game by the real MVP to bring Denver back from a 25 point deficit. :bowdown:
The real MVP has a losing record against SGA and still behind SGA's team in the rankings.

[k0kakw0rld]

Meltdown. Says the autistic buffoon who hasn't even visited his 'banchero has regressed' thread yet for quite a while now. :confusedshrug: :roll:
You are not bright enough to understand, that I am a fan of Banchero. I picked him on my fantasy team and he was playing games early. Catch up moron.

[k0kakw0rld]

Jokic >> Bron

Rose >> SGA

iykyk
Get some help please lol

[1_BAD_TIGER]

Jokic's stat line tonight: 35 points 17 rebounds 12 assists, just another day at the office for the true MVP :pimp:

[1987_Lakers]

The real MVP has a losing record against SGA and still behind SGA's team in the rankings.

SGA has a losing record against LeBron.

[Axe]

that I am a fan of Banchero.
You mean he's only one of them outta many. Got it.

[k0kakw0rld]

You mean he's only one of them outta many. Got it.
So what? When you play fantasy team, you got to pick 12 players at least. You pick the guys you like watching period. You finna tell us that you only enjoy watching one player play out of thousands, you sound ridiculous. Like I've been saying, a straight clown lol

[Axe]

Huh i never implied that. You can like a lot of players but the problem with you is that you shift from being a fan of one to another after some period, esp. once you start to see they become successful recently. And the disdain for some that you don't like is a bit ridiculous.

[Duffy Pratt]

Let’s say it’s April 14 and OKC and the Nuggets record are tied. Shai and Joker both sit out the game. Would the MVP discussion boil down to who won that last game? It makes a lot of sense to argue that Shai and Joker are more deserving than Luka because of the wide discrepancy between their team’s records. It makes almost no sense at all to pin the same thing on a one or two game separation.

And, FWIW, no D Joker had 6 steals and 2 blocks tonight on top of his 30 point triple double.

Here’s the unfortunate thing for me about this award. If Shai wins, I will suspect it’s lingering dislike of Joker by the media. If Joker wins, I will suspect that voters were making up for last year’s travesty. It’s a dumb award in a team game, and it made a lot more sense when the players voted on it (though the stat watchers have fits understanding how Russell and Cowens and Unseld could have been MVPs).

[bison]

35/17/12

[elementally morale]

Let’s say it’s April 14 and OKC and the Nuggets record are tied. Shai and Joker both sit out the game. Would the MVP discussion boil down to who won that last game? It makes a lot of sense to argue that Shai and Joker are more deserving than Luka because of the wide discrepancy between their team’s records. It makes almost no sense at all to pin the same thing on a one or two game separation.

And, FWIW, no D Joker had 6 steals and 2 blocks tonight on top of his 30 point triple double.

Here’s the unfortunate thing for me about this award. If Shai wins, I will suspect it’s lingering dislike of Joker by the media. If Joker wins, I will suspect that voters were making up for last year’s travesty. It’s a dumb award in a team game, and it made a lot more sense when the players voted on it (though the stat watchers have fits understanding how Russell and Cowens and Unseld could have been MVPs).


In real life, if the record stays close Jokic is comfortably winning. If it was a two man race it would be closer but the people not voting for Jokic will cast votes for Shai, Luka, Giannis and Tatum. I think 5 players will get 1st place votes. I'm also pretty sure Jokic will have more than half of all 1st place votes. So for him to lose it would take many voters not include him in their top 3 while SGA not gatting any votes lower than #2. And I don't see that happening.

The Nuggets have lost only 1 game since the All star break. Their remaining schedule is the easiest of the top teams on paper. More importantly, they play well again. SGA is a deserving candidate but it won't be enough. With the teams being close he should clearly be better than Jokic and he is not better. He is very good. Not better. Denver needs to lose unexpectedly and lose quite a lot. It happens only if Jokic goes out with an injury. The way the team plays these days they look like a group that wants to finish at the top of the West. They may not achieve that but they also won't be far off.

If OKC and Denver finish #1 and#2 regardless of order they can meet in the WCF. I'd like that. OKC won against Denver in the regular season. So it will (would) be intense.

[j3lademaster]

You ride for your guys way too hard. Acting like it’s some travesty for Jokic to get mvp when he’s actually the best player in the world.

[Axe]

You ride for your guys way too hard. Acting like it’s some travesty for Jokic to get mvp when he’s actually the best player in the world.
He might not win a ring b2b if he becomes the mvp again. It has been a running gag for years now. Last time a league mvp won a title was in 2015.

[Duffy Pratt]

So now OKC and Denver are tied in the standings. Does this mean the MVP race is now a dead heat?

Does it matter that SGA had a thoroughly mediocre game tonight? The OKC offense looked anemic against what is typically a pretty terrible defense.

[elementally morale]

So now OKC and Denver are tied in the standings. Does this mean the MVP race is now a dead heat?

Does it matter that SGA had a thoroughly mediocre game tonight? The OKC offense looked anemic against what is typically a pretty terrible defense.

People pushing these agendas usually answer these questions like: 'Duh. Winning matters. So obviously Shai has less of a chance now.' Something like this. Then if there is another loss they come up with a different approach as to why their guy should be winning.

[j3lademaster]

Shai now has the OKC record for consecutive 30 pt games. He fouled to get the bal back while down double digits to get it, but he got it.

[Duffy Pratt]

Shai now has the OKC record for consecutive 30 pt games. He fouled to get the bal back while down double digits to get it, but he got it.

Yeah, with 9 seconds left in an already decided game he drove for a layup to stat pad and keep a silly record alive. That’s the stuff that MVPs are made of. Never mind that he shot 44% from the field and 14% from three. If you watched it, you know he played a completely mediocre game, but TNT for example is just reporting that he went for 30 and 10. No-one can watch all these games (and many of the people who vote seem to watch very few), so the decision making process is deeply flawed.

[Duffy Pratt]

People pushing these agendas usually answer these questions like: 'Duh. Winning matters. So obviously Shai has less of a chance now.' Something like this. Then if there is another loss they come up with a different approach as to why their guy should be winning.

Totally agree with this. What bothers me is that you can generally get people to agree that the process to select this award is terrible, and yet they go on to place inordinate amount of weight on the same flawed awards when arguing their stupid all-time player rankings.

[Xiao Yao You]

Shai now has the OKC record for consecutive 30 pt games. He fouled to get the bal back while down double digits to get it, but he got it.

OKC record include Seattle?

[j3lademaster]

OKC record include Seattle?I assume so since okc owns all the other Sonics records. The only reason I know about that record was because of the announcers. KD owned the previous record.

[j3lademaster]

Yeah, with 9 seconds left in an already decided game he drove for a layup to stat pad and keep a silly record alive. That’s the stuff that MVPs are made of. Never mind that he shot 44% from the field and 14% from three. If you watched it, you know he played a completely mediocre game, but TNT for example is just reporting that he went for 30 and 10. No-one can watch all these games (and many of the people who vote seem to watch very few), so the decision making process is deeply flawed.Shit, I barely watch it. I have it on in the background while I work, watch my kids eat, etc.

[dankok8]

Lebron and Wade were 1a/1b in 2011. That hurt Lebron's MVP bid. As someone said, if it wasn't Rose, it may have been Dwight.

[PeroAntic]

Keep Derrick Rose's name out your ****ing mouth, op. His MVP was thoroughly deserved. Dont make me find your ass.

[elementally morale]

So Jokic is the MVP today. LOL

[Duffy Pratt]

So Jokic is the MVP today. LOL

Yup, he sealed it (for today) with a 12 point game. And he actually played well today (better than in several of his triple doubles).

Miami focused so much on Joker that MPJ killed them with wide open threes. Also great to see strong games from Braun, Watson, and Jackson. If the bench stops giving away the non-Jokic minutes, the Nuggets are a real problem.

[SATAN]

Our non stat padding MVP :bowdown:

[elementally morale]

Yup, he sealed it (for today)

I don't want to hear about another potential MVP this year until Friday. Period.