Zach Edey (Godzilla) vs. Donovan Clingan (King Kong) [PURDUE v UCONN game thread]

[Im Still Ballin]

It all comes down to this. Does Uconn go back-to-back and become a dynasty? Or does Purdue finish the story and complete its redemption? Will Zach Edey end his storied college career with the hardware that has alluded him? Or will Donovan Clingan flex his NBA potential and dominate the big Canadian?

The two best teams. The two best big men. 7'4" vs. 7'3". No tomorrow, no next game. There can be only one.

Let's get ready to ruuuuuuuuuuuuuumbleeeee!

:bowdown:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feoHV5JUbuo&ab_channel=InsaneBDE

[SATAN]

When does it start?

[tontoz]

When does it start?


9:20 et.

The big contrast between the two bigs is motor. Clingan is a legit rim protector. He will challenge any shot inside, sometimes covering a lot of ground to get a contest.

Edey employs the scarecrow defense. He is mostly stationary hoping guys are afraid of him.

[SATAN]

Thanks.

[FultzNationRISE]

Who?

[Hey Yo]

I think Clingan's athleticism will get the best of Edey. They're both around the same weight, but think Edey has the strength advantage.

Clingan seems to play with more of a chip on his shoulder and may try to make a statement early which could lead to foul trouble.

[eliteballer]

UConn’s coach is annoying and his attitude rubs off on the team.

[Im Still Ballin]

I think Clingan's athleticism will get the best of Edey. They're both around the same weight, but think Edey has the strength advantage.

Clingan seems to play with more of a chip on his shoulder and may try to make a statement early which could lead to foul trouble.

There's actually a 40-50 pound weight difference. Zach is around 295-300 and Clingan is 250 per recent reports. His 280-pound measurement was him carrying extra weight.

[tontoz]

Edey is definitely the bigger, stronger guy. Pretty obvious when they are next to each other.

[eliteballer]

Purdue is outclassed outside of spoon feeding Edey.

[tontoz]

UConn is obviously trying to limit Purdue's 3 pt attempts and that has worked. Purdue only attempted 2 3s.

They need to do better on offense though. They have missed some easy shots. They need to take advantage of the drop coverage more often.

[SATAN]

How are people not sick of the Inside the NBA crew and Shaq being in almost every ad on tv?

[tontoz]

How are people not sick of the Inside the NBA crew and Shaq being in almost every ad on tv?

Because we scroll through the ads.

[Hey Yo]

Oh shit at that one hand rebound slam!!!


:lebronamazed:

[Carbine]

Edey is soft as hell on defense

[tontoz]

Oh shit at that one hand rebound slam!!!


:lebronamazed:

:oldlol: that was nasty

[SaltyMeatballs]

UConn winning in dominant fashion. No team in the NCAA comes even remotely close.

[Duderonomy]

I'm surprised Edey isn't a projected lottery pick. Remember the days when even an average big was taken in the top 3, here's looking at you Emeka Okafor.

[tontoz]

I'm surprised Edey isn't a projected lottery pick. Remember the days when even an average big was taken in the top 3, here's looking at you Emeka Okafor.


His defense is awful

[Im Still Ballin]

A heroic, one-man stand against a dynastic superteam juggernaut. Caitlin Clark-like. I love you, Zach.

There goes my hero...

:bowdown:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqWRaAF6_WY&ab_channel=foofightersVEVO

[Kblaze8855]

If he played defense like Okafor he might get a real look. As he is? Eh

[Im Still Ballin]

Shades of Oden vs. Florida. A one-man band up against a titan going for the back-to-back. Dismantling his NBA-bound matchup.

[GimmeThat]

if only Purdue could just pour more resources and put 7 foot shooters like Holmgren, Wemby, next to Edey. clearly the quickness in guards just didn't pay off whatsoever after a year long haul under Matt Painter's leadership.

[tontoz]

Edey's defense makes him a 2nd round pick to me.
Just from the first half.


https://youtu.be/PQ_6IsvkGw0?feature=shared


https://youtu.be/zkYoOzHKwaw?feature=shared


https://youtu.be/6yYaJqAZzBs?feature=shared

[tontoz]

What is he doing here?


https://youtu.be/T3lehKVpL3k?feature=shared

[Kblaze8855]

Shades of Oden vs. Florida. A one-man band up against a titan going for the back-to-back. Dismantling his NBA-bound matchup.


they pretty much did to him what any NBA team does to people like Boban or to a lesser degree Kanter in his prime and when he was almost gone. Know they can’t physically match up so they don’t stress out much when you try to two-point them to death. Just stay home on shooters and take advantage of the overwhelming physical presence being useless on the other end of the floor. You’re gonna have to give up some rebounds along the way, but eventually you win off pace and Math. It’s why those people are largely useless unless you want fantasy production per minute. Doesn’t do anything to help win.

Not when you just concede 22 jump hooks that will never get the score where they can win if you take others shooting away.

Not a guy I want on my nba team.

Boban is way more skilled and seems like a better defender even which is amazing with his stone feet.

[Kblaze8855]

What is he doing here?


https://youtu.be/T3lehKVpL3k?feature=shared

SGA would score 78 if they didn’t pull him out. Hes a tank commander. Could be useful in that capacity I guess.

[RRR3]

they pretty much did to him what any NBA team does to people like Boban or to a lesser degree Kanter in his prime and when he was almost gone. Know they can’t physically match up so they don’t stress out much when you try to two-point them to death. Just stay home on shooters and take advantage of the overwhelming physical presence being useless on the other end of the floor. You’re gonna have to give up some rebounds along the way, but eventually you win off pace and Math. It’s why those people are largely useless unless you want fantasy production per minute. Doesn’t do anything to help win.

Not when you just concede 22 jump hooks that will never get the score where they can win if you take others shooting away.

Not a guy I want on my nba team.

Boban is way more skilled and seems like a better defender even which is amazing with his stone feet.
Boban would have been a stud in the 90s though. Hell even the 2000s or early 2010s.

[bladefd]

Edey's defense makes him a 2nd round pick to me.
Just from the first half.


https://youtu.be/PQ_6IsvkGw0?feature=shared


https://youtu.be/zkYoOzHKwaw?feature=shared


https://youtu.be/6yYaJqAZzBs?feature=shared

He will be drafted in 1st round. I think he can average 12-8 in the NBA as a decent backup center. The draft is crap this year so I don't see him dropping down to 2nd round.

[Im Still Ballin]

There's a difference between being slow and playing slow. When you say someone is slow, you're implying they are athletically limited and not able to display a level or quality of movement. They simply don't have the physical capacity to move that way, regardless of effort or exercise and training. They just don't have the genetics.

Playing slow is different. It also includes processing speed, decision-making, and technique. In other words, basketball IQ and fundamentals.

Zach isn't slow - not to the degree you're implying. He plays slow at times. And how he plays must be analyzed with context. What competition is he playing in? What are its rules? What team is he playing for? What is its scheme? What does the personnel look like? What is his role on this team? All of these influence how Zach plays. He's not playing the way he does with Purdue to showcase his NBA potential. He plays to help his team win.

We know per the 2023 NBA Combine results Zach has comparable speed and agility to Steven Adams, Rudy Gobert, Brook Lopez, DeMarcus Cousins, and Hassan Whiteside to name a few. That's a fact. Unless you believe none of these guys tried and Zach did, which is ridiculous.

[GimmeThat]

What is he doing here?


https://youtu.be/T3lehKVpL3k?feature=shared

toking and not getting toked

[Im Still Ballin]

Hell, a bigger Enes Kanter that can actually play effective drop coverage is undeniably an NBA guy. The main reason he's not on a team right now is because of his political shenanigans. He was putting up a double-double in like 24 minutes three seasons ago. 14 and 11 in 25.8 minutes per game in New York. His on/off was actually positive for the last few seasons.

[GimmeThat]

And how he plays must be analyzed with context. What competition is he playing in? What are its rules? What team is he playing for? What is its scheme? What does the personnel look like? What is his role on this team? All of these influence how Zach plays.

exactly why I said Zach Edey lacks the brain and the heart go out and get his own. to be a critical thinker, to be something his stans know as an irrefutable scientific fact in which they never will be: impactful.

[Kblaze8855]

Kanter isn’t in the NBA because he is terrible and those numbers mean absolutely nothing when they get you murdered. Boban, even old as he is might literally average 24/13 if you told him to do it. It doesn’t matter when you score 102 and the other team scores 136. those players are only useful when they play defense now. You are not going to win taking jump hooks playing 1999 pace waiting for a big bum to get down the floor while everyone else is running like the Showtime Lakers and taking 50 threes.

Of course if you play him 30 minutes he gets 16 rebounds and probably scores 20. And if you pick and choose when to give him a short burst of minutes it can look positive. But as Charles Barkley once pointed out the bench guys who have great per 36 numbers don’t actually get played 36 minutes because they aren’t good. If they could maintain it and not wreck the team on both ends a coach would be happy to let them.

Your politics matter when you suck. Not when you’re good.

[Kblaze8855]

There's a difference between being slow and playing slow. When you say someone is slow, you're implying they are athletically limited and not able to display a level or quality of movement. They simply don't have the physical capacity to move that way, regardless of effort or exercise and training. They just don't have the genetics.

Playing slow is different. It also includes processing speed, decision-making, and technique. In other words, basketball IQ and fundamentals.

Zach isn't slow - not to the degree you're implying. He plays slow at times. And how he plays must be analyzed with context. What competition is he playing in? What are its rules? What team is he playing for? What is its scheme? What does the personnel look like? What is his role on this team? All of these influence how Zach plays. He's not playing the way he does with Purdue to showcase his NBA potential. He plays to help his team win.

We know per the 2023 NBA Combine results Zach has comparable speed and agility to Steven Adams, Rudy Gobert, Brook Lopez, DeMarcus Cousins, and Hassan Whiteside to name a few. That's a fact. Unless you believe none of these guys tried and Zach did, which is ridiculous.


go look at Andre Iguodala, Monta Ellis and Russell Westbrook’s combine numbers. Then go look at JJ Reddick. At Steph who apparently can jump with 20 year old Russ and out jumps Iggy(as did Chris Duhon). Enough said.

Explosive is explosive. On the floor is what counts. Dude moves like he’s in 1.5 gravity at times.

[Im Still Ballin]

There are many levels of players, not just "good" and "suck." It's not binary. And a lot of the impact signals (box-derived plus minus, play-by-play data) and one-number metrics point to Enes being a positive player from 2016 onwards. But if he doesn't fit your personal aesthetic/bias for what winning basketball looks like, then those numbers will fall on deaf ears.

You can pass on a bench guy and not lose sleep over it. And I'm sure NBA teams aren't. Nobody is getting fired because they didn't sign Enes Kanter. Some players above replacement level aren't worth the hassle if they come with baggage.


go look at Andre Iguodala, Monta Ellis and Russell Westbrook’s combine numbers. Then go look at JJ Reddick. At Steph who apparently can jump with 20 year old Russ and out jumps Iggy(as did Chris Duhon). Enough said.

Explosive is explosive. On the floor is what counts. Dude moves like he’s in 1.5 gravity at times.

And what's on the floor is influenced by all those factors I listed. And those things absolutely can be improved upon, and optimized. It's how Brook Lopez can go from one of the worst defenders at his position to one of the best. Those Nets teams were historically bad defensively.

Value and impact must be contextualized. Zach may defend differently when he's not being asked to play 80%+ of a game and be Shaquille O'Neal on offense. Or he may defend exactly the same. We'll see.

[Carbine]

He's incapable of defending differently.

[eliteballer]

Edey scored more points than the rest of his team combined.

[eliteballer]

go look at Andre Iguodala, Monta Ellis and Russell Westbrook’s combine numbers. Then go look at JJ Reddick. At Steph who apparently can jump with 20 year old Russ and out jumps Iggy(as did Chris Duhon). Enough said.

Explosive is explosive. On the floor is what counts. Dude moves like he’s in 1.5 gravity at times.

Considering how much they rely on him I'm sure a lot of it is fatigue.

[GimmeThat]

There are many levels of players, not just "good" and "suck." It's not binary.

how pissed off do you get, watching at old Kevin McHale footage, and watching him average 2.5 assists during his peak years instead of scoring more points. what choices does it make you want to committ in the non-binary world between "love" and "harm".

[GimmeThat]

Considering how much they rely on him I'm sure a lot of it is fatigue.

was that before the brain died or after the brain died when this conversation against someone weighing 20lbs less than him took place.

really, I can't find the point of conception.

[fsvr54]

Edey IS slow!

He is nowhere near an NBA level athlete. Therefore he is not an NBA level player

[warriorfan]

There are many levels of players, not just "good" and "suck." It's not binary. And a lot of the impact signals (box-derived plus minus, play-by-play data) and one-number metrics point to Enes being a positive player from 2016 onwards. But if he doesn't fit your personal aesthetic/bias for what winning basketball looks like, then those numbers will fall on deaf ears.

You can pass on a bench guy and not lose sleep over it. And I'm sure NBA teams aren't. Nobody is getting fired because they didn't sign Enes Kanter. Some players above replacement level aren't worth the hassle if they come with baggage.



And what's on the floor is influenced by all those factors I listed. And those things absolutely can be improved upon, and optimized. It's how Brook Lopez can go from one of the worst defenders at his position to one of the best. Those Nets teams were historically bad defensively.

Value and impact must be contextualized. Zach may defend differently when he's not being asked to play 80%+ of a game and be Shaquille O'Neal on offense. Or he may defend exactly the same. We'll see.

While you make good points and I definitely see what you are alluding too. Even that being said I just don’t see it. I’m not trying to say i’m a basketball savant but my personal eye test has a hard time wrapping around how he will be a solid and positive impact guy on the floor. I might be wrong and if I am I will own it 100. As of right now i’m personally just not seeing it right now for what it’s worth.

[SaltyMeatballs]

I'm surprised Edey isn't a projected lottery pick. Remember the days when even an average big was taken in the top 3, here's looking at you Emeka Okafor.

Bad defense, too slow, can’t shoot at all, and very one-dimensional. If Edey was around in the 80s or 90s he might’ve gone top 10 but his game for the modern NBA won’t adapt.

He’s probably just gonna end up being Boban 2.0

[FultzNationRISE]

Bad defense, too slow, can’t shoot at all, and very one-dimensional. If Edey was around in the 80s or 90s he might’ve gone top 10 but his game for the modern NBA won’t adapt.

He’s probably just gonna end up being Boban 2.0


This. Theyd be calling him the next Greg Ostertag and it would be intended as praise.

Teams just dont use guys that way anymore. He could probably do most of the things Yao did (including look like him), but Yao played in the slowest pace era and now we’re in the fastest.

People gotta accept Lebron took this game to a higher level.

[Manny98]

This year's draft is looking terrible

[eliteballer]

Edey pretty much scored at will on Clingan.

How many players will be able to guard him in the NBA with all the spacing and shooters?

[Kblaze8855]

More than could guard Boban who is even taller and more skilled. He only played 30 minutes one game this whole season(2020) and he put up 31/17 vs Jokic.


https://youtu.be/Zw_WYKWiNUc?si=4T88ZZ_2Sn_WgPM2



Giant guys with some touch can bully their way to production in a small ball league. Any real big is going to dominate statistically in stretches Against the right matchup. The league not being suited to prevent it is why Andre Drummond‘s rebound percentage is like Wilt Chamberlain’s in the 60s. Hell Drummond is washed and averages 18 points 19 rebounds per 36 this year. You can’t stop a true old school big vs these soft lineups.

Difference between those days and now is while the league isnt equipped to stop big ass players from getting a few layups and all the rebounds it is entirely equipped to let them slow the game down score 2 points at a time get cooked on defense and get pulled out of the game because threes for twos doesn’t work.

And coaches aren’t going to stop playing modern offense to suit a specialist throwback who will get played off the floor if the games mattered and other team drug him out to 26 feet by playing all shooters and his slow ass couldn’t recover into the paint.

It would be a layup line and a shelling from 3 at the same time. All to get a few extra offensive rebounds and two point jump hooks the other team is happy to concede while they get unlimited threes or shots at the basket because this guy is useless guarding a shooter and hands off perimeter rules let star guards get to the basket easily, and he can’t recover to the paint to stop the dunk, and if he even tried, he would leave his man for shooting practice.


even active mobile defense focused giants like Rudy Gobert win defensive player of the years and get picked on in the playoffs. What the hell is somebody like this gonna do?

When Horford and KP are shooting 40% from 3 and Tatum is at the 4 how does this guy get in the game and not have you give up 160?

When it’s Embiid at the 5 and Tobias Harris at the 4.

Even Vucevic and Williams.

Teams will just throw the right combo of bigs and pseudo bigs out there for him to get his 22/14 and lose to.

unless he is a secretly incredible defender, choosing to keep it under wraps until he gets to the NBA? He just isn’t playable versus a team that decides to take advantage of him.

He’s exactly the type who in regular season games teams don’t care to make adjustments for could put up a Foolsgold stat line while losing close games to make you think something might be there. But any good coaching staff would be begging you to play him in a series they had time to prepare for. The players would be lining up like:


https://youtu.be/XHldEoQw7qI?si=PL_nIKxrDE4pDTv3


It would be a buffet.

[tontoz]

Edey pretty much scored at will on Clingan.

How many players will be able to guard him in the NBA with all the spacing and shooters?


Not sure what game you were watching. He was 8-17 from the field when Clingan got a cheap 4th foul, and that was with a couple of putback dunks and alley oops.

Edey ran up his numbers in garbage time, scoring 17 in the last 10 minutes when the game was over

In the NBA edey won't be able to camp in the lane 5+ seconds while he loads up for a jump hook.

[GimmeThat]

as long as he pays his taxes and there's no evasion, I'm sure it's all good

[eliteballer]

More than could guard Boban who is even taller and more skilled. He only played 30 minutes one game this whole season(2020) and he put up 31/17 vs Jokic.


https://youtu.be/Zw_WYKWiNUc?si=4T88ZZ_2Sn_WgPM2



Giant guys with some touch can bully their way to production in a small ball league. Any real big is going to dominate statistically in stretches Against the right matchup. The league not being suited to prevent it is why Andre Drummond‘s rebound percentage is like Wilt Chamberlain’s in the 60s. Hell Drummond is washed and averages 18 points 19 rebounds per 36 this year. You can’t stop a true old school big vs these soft lineups.

Difference between those days and now is while the league isnt equipped to stop big ass players from getting a few layups and all the rebounds it is entirely equipped to let them slow the game down score 2 points at a time get cooked on defense and get pulled out of the game because threes for twos doesn’t work.

And coaches aren’t going to stop playing modern offense to suit a specialist throwback who will get played off the floor if the games mattered and other team drug him out to 26 feet by playing all shooters and his slow ass couldn’t recover into the paint.

It would be a layup line and a shelling from 3 at the same time. All to get a few extra offensive rebounds and two point jump hooks the other team is happy to concede while they get unlimited threes or shots at the basket because this guy is useless guarding a shooter and hands off perimeter rules let star guards get to the basket easily, and he can’t recover to the paint to stop the dunk, and if he even tried, he would leave his man for shooting practice.


even active mobile defense focused giants like Rudy Gobert win defensive player of the years and get picked on in the playoffs. What the hell is somebody like this gonna do?

When Horford and KP are shooting 40% from 3 and Tatum is at the 4 how does this guy get in the game and not have you give up 160?

When it’s Embiid at the 5 and Tobias Harris at the 4.

Even Vucevic and Williams.

Teams will just throw the right combo of bigs and pseudo bigs out there for him to get his 22/14 and lose to.

unless he is a secretly incredible defender, choosing to keep it under wraps until he gets to the NBA? He just isn’t playable versus a team that decides to take advantage of him.

He’s exactly the type who in regular season games teams don’t care to make adjustments for could put up a Foolsgold stat line while losing close games to make you think something might be there. But any good coaching staff would be begging you to play him in a series they had time to prepare for. The players would be lining up like:


https://youtu.be/XHldEoQw7qI?si=PL_nIKxrDE4pDTv3


It would be a buffet.

How you can compare Boban to Edey. Boban moves like a 55 year old weekend rec playing father of 5 blown up to 7-4 or whatever he is while Edey at least resembles an actual athlete.


Not sure what game you were watching. He was 8-17 from the field when Clingan got a cheap 4th foul, and that was with a couple of putback dunks and alley oops.

Edey ran up his numbers in garbage time, scoring 17 in the last 10 minutes when the game was over

In the NBA edey won't be able to camp in the lane 5+ seconds while he loads up for a jump hook.

Edey was dominating the whole season and carried the 2nd best college team through the tournament.

[GimmeThat]

Edey was dominating the whole season and carried the 2nd best college team through the tournament.

what you so concerned about then, clearly his political and social influence will take care of his status :whatever: