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Kblaze8855
04-13-2024, 10:28 AM
do you even factor it in or do you go straight to bottom line? I feel there’s a pretty big misconception, which is obviously exacerbated by this era against that era trolling battles. NBA players could always shoot. Even the NBA players who can’t shoot can shoot. In a league where coaches getting mad at you for taking a three you’re going to take fewer. Here was someone no more than five of you have ever seen play discussing it


https://youtu.be/DEAJOF2CdQ0?si=a9di3l1iBwo_p_ED


But even people who could make them consistently and had the trust of their teammates as Hodges clearly can/does



https://youtu.be/a-gIlMu3fvE?si=6qXIUHrO0G8RIxu0



https://i.ibb.co/85vxcRQ/IMG-8381.gif



(Mike knew that shit was going in)


Didn’t have it encouraged. Even forward thinking experimental guys like Don Nelson and Paul Westhead were looked at like mad scientist when a guy who could shoot would take four and make 2-3.


if you were ever around in the casual pregames of that era when you could go down damn near to the floor, you see all kinds of players who probably didn’t take a three in their entire career, making them just ****ing around. George Gervin make like 100 s in 10 years but before games and missing around, he was wet. You could watch the old timers games from the 80s where they bring out 50-year-olds from the 60s and they would be making modern threes. Funny looking. But they would make some.

The skill level of NBA players is poorly grasped even now when all we do is talk about them being the most skilled ever. Some of those those old guys had “kung fu”


https://youtu.be/Z7H1zFVxaVw?si=od7YprWoe0kfE4hr

The literal translation I was happy to learn from the underrated Marco Polo on Netflix. I thought it might be a creation for the sake of that scene, but no. The phrase kung fu does literally mean great skill from putting a lot of time in.

But those coaches just weren’t convinced. And I somewhat understand. There’s no disadvantage when nobody does it. It’s only a disadvantage of everyone does it and you don’t. They were trying to win the same way. Everybody else was trying. Which is the same thing people do now.

You play the ball everyone else plays for the most part.

I do wish I could go back with like five hours of footage and explain where basketball was going to some of those really old guys and see who would buy in and risk their jobs leaning on some of those shooters they kept on the bench because “A jump shooting team can’t win”.

tpols
04-13-2024, 10:41 AM
We done with you Zesty cornball old heads. DONE.

SouBeachTalents
04-13-2024, 10:45 AM
Just look at the big men of the modern era. Guys like Lopez, Horford & Marc Gasol were barely even averaging a made 3 per year the first 7-8 years of their careers. Then once the 3 point strategy became implemented league wide, they all became reliable, floor spacing bigs. So I have no doubt many guys from previous eras where 3 point shooting was considered taboo would develop 3 point shots as well.

Kblaze8855
04-13-2024, 10:52 AM
We done with you Zesty cornball old heads. DONE.

Im not talking about the 90s. These dudes from the 60s:

https://i.ibb.co/r7vqr85/IMG-8383.gif


https://i.ibb.co/C1Md9q9/IMG-8382.gif


That’s Connie Hawkins(left college in 1962) and Spencer Haywood(1969).

They were the people of my old heads out there hitting spot up nba range threes in their 40-50s back to back no cuts.

You ever stood on an NBA court? That shit feels like a quarter mile standing out there. Retirement age 60s players wet them comfortably.

I saw a thing on a camp Rick Barry and Jerry West where at where they just didn’t miss. Those guys are freaks. All of them. I bet Hasheem Thabeet wins the all ISH three point shootout.

90sgoat
04-13-2024, 11:11 AM
Basketball players are generally a lot more talented than they're allowed to showcase at the highest level.

Haven't we seen Shaq run the point whenever he got the chance? Did D-Wade not have a post game better than most big men?

Shooting catch and shoots 3s is not difficult. It's a fairly easy shot, because, wait for it, the shot is always the same distance, the position of the feet and the motion is always the same.

Most players can learn to be competent 3 point shooters with a summer of practise.

Kblaze8855
04-13-2024, 11:22 AM
Wish they would go back to letting the summer league be a chaotic free-for-all where guys like bo outlaw bring a bunch of their friends and put up 40 point triple doubles just to show how much better he is than even borderline NBA players and rookies.

Baller234
04-13-2024, 11:45 AM
I used to know a guy who played with Rod Strickland. He swore up and down that Strickland would shoot around in practice and hit like 15 threes in a row.

I know this proves nothing but if what he's saying is true then chances are Strickland wasn't the only one.

The philosophy was just different back then.

Kblaze8855
04-13-2024, 11:53 AM
I have absolutely no doubt that Strickland could shoot. He just couldn’t shoot relative to other NBA players.

90sgoat
04-13-2024, 12:12 PM
Wish they would go back to letting the summer league be a chaotic free-for-all where guys like bo outlaw bring a bunch of their friends and put up 40 point triple doubles just to show how much better he is than even borderline NBA players and rookies.

I mean, someone like Brian Scalabrine, I'm not so sure he'd be fun to watch.

Some NBA players seem to be in the league mostly because they're tall, strong and coordinated and they can shoot. That's an underrated aspect I feel. NBA players are elite athletes, even the slouch looking ones. They're strong and can jump. Scalabrine doesn't seem as if he really has a big back of tricks, but he could get shots off because of size, strength and speed.

Kblaze8855
04-13-2024, 12:19 PM
No, I wouldn’t figure he’d have a bag of tricks. He would just be really efficient with his movements and competent and consistent beyond belief. That’s the difference. Ita like the difference between a good golfer and a pro. They both hit the same good shots, but the pro is consistently what the regular guy is at his best.

Kblaze8855
04-12-2025, 01:13 PM
Saw this earlier and it just gave me a laugh.


https://youtu.be/8dMvrg5ND6g?si=TrlymprQeu3kxcxq

L.Kizzle
04-12-2025, 01:53 PM
The Run-TMC era Warriors didn't average ten 3's a game. Not just those three, the entire team.

eliteballer
04-12-2025, 02:47 PM
When you could actually play defense it didn't make sense to just launch 3's and let it fly like shot selection didn't matter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwEGdCg5dKY

GOBB
04-12-2025, 07:30 PM
Basketball players are generally a lot more talented than they're allowed to showcase at the highest level.

Haven't we seen Shaq run the point whenever he got the chance? Did D-Wade not have a post game better than most big men?

Shooting catch and shoots 3s is not difficult. It's a fairly easy shot, because, wait for it, the shot is always the same distance, the position of the feet and the motion is always the same.

Most players can learn to be competent 3 point shooters with a summer of practise.


Shaq couldn’t run the point. Don’t confuse a sideshow with that. Wade literally had a low post game and utilized it in his career. Nothing held him back from doing it. And no most players can’t learn to be competent 3pt shooters with a summer of practice. It doesn’t work that way.

LAL
04-13-2025, 07:16 AM
Darrell griffith played and moved like a baller that could bust your behind in ANY era.


Forgot he could dunk like that? Windmills, facials, free throw line dunk etc


It's a different game because of 3s but it has become so lazy and low effort
for perimeter stars to have high scoring games (or not even that high)
because they end up with 10+ attempts from 3. It's clear as day players
weren't allowed to do that like now.

NBAGOAT
04-13-2025, 08:50 PM
Counterpoint someone as talented as demar derozan still can’t make 3s but can be great from 18-22 ft. Good chance he just doesn’t want to but it happens to other guys too. Also a bunch of centers the coach tries to get them to shoot 3s and ends up giving up on if

BarberSchool
04-15-2025, 03:07 AM
Blaze, did you ever play against old man Hodges in pick up or rec league when you lived in the west burbs ?

Dude wasn’t much of an athlete when I played him in the late 00’s, but little man could still really shoot it, out to about 27-28ft.
A little skinnier & darker skinned in person.
Real quiet. Nice dude. Humble.