View Full Version : AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wash
3ba11
04-17-2024, 05:38 PM
Lakers have the better roster on-paper
Only media and sports fraud has everyone thinking the Lakers are overmatched - it's absurd and lunacy.. The NBA stacked the Lakers with Wood, Dinwiddie and many more just in case - it's one of the most stacked rosters top to bottom that I've ever seen.
ShawkFactory
04-17-2024, 06:02 PM
Denver in 6
3ba11
04-17-2024, 07:29 PM
Denver in 6
Not if lebron is top 2 all-time.. it should be an easy win and favorite status for the Lakers.. it's disqualifying of goat conversation to have a low seed with a prime sidekick of AD's caliber (#4 all-time PER)
Wally450
04-17-2024, 08:06 PM
Denver in 6
4.
bladefd
04-17-2024, 08:30 PM
Obviously a troll thread.
AD is not matching up with Murray. D'lo is not matching up with Porter. Reaves is not matching up with Gordon.
Real matchups:
AD < Jokic
Rui = Gordon
LeBron > Porter
Reaves < KCP
D'lo < Murray
3-1-1 in favor of Denver.
Lakers have better bench tho, so lets hope they ball out. Going to need Vincent badly.
StrongLurk
04-17-2024, 08:31 PM
No one loves Lebron more than OP as evidenced by his more than ten year obsession.
The biggest Lebron stan...OP.
3ba11
04-17-2024, 09:24 PM
No one loves Lebron more than OP as evidenced by his more than ten year obsession.
The biggest Lebron stan...OP.
Can't wait until Lebron has his final big loss in these playoffs - one last time we'll hear about how he didn't have enough help - and we then can finally forget about him as a real factor in our league
NBAGOAT
04-17-2024, 10:24 PM
reaves gordon isnt a wash lol. Gordon is one of the better wing defenders in the league, reaves had a bad defensive year and they have similar production on offense. kcp is one of the best 3nD guys, i like hachimura but he's pretty average and not starting on a lot of playoff teams. ofc jokic>lebron is a huge reason why denver is better too. That's not an indictment against bron you're trying to sell it as lol,
sdot_thadon
04-17-2024, 11:40 PM
Not if lebron is top 2 all-time..
IF?? it's too late booboo, he's cemented where he's at till a new candidate comes along. There's nothing more that you can hold against him. He's so great, that at age 39 you're picking him against the champs. There's no more that needs to be said. At 39 we couldn't even pick Mj to make the playoffs. This is the best time of the year, it will be fun watching you squirm/cry/meltdown for however long this playoff run lasts.:lol
coin24
04-18-2024, 01:01 AM
Easy sweep for the nugz. Lestatpad will be in full effect..
tpols
04-18-2024, 09:35 AM
Obviously a troll thread.
AD is not matching up with Murray. D'lo is not matching up with Porter. Reaves is not matching up with Gordon.
Real matchups:
AD < Jokic
Rui = Gordon
LeBron > Porter
Reaves < KCP
D'lo < Murray
3-1-1 in favor of Denver.
Lakers have better bench tho, so lets hope they ball out. Going to need Vincent badly.
Did you really just say Reaves is worse than KCP?
Thats insanity.
ShawkFactory
04-18-2024, 10:14 AM
Did you really just say Reaves is worse than KCP?
Thats insanity.
Yea that’s a little wild. I think Reaves can be exposed defensively in a playoff series but what he adds offensively is greater.
I’d say Gordon is definitively better than Rui though so it evens out.
tpols
04-18-2024, 11:03 AM
If you really look at it fairly Lebron and AD are one of the best statistically producing duos in the NBA and are on par with Jokic and Murray duo.
And Gordon / KCP / Porter are pretty much on par with Reaves / Rui / D-Lo. There's not a big difference at all between the talent of these two teams.
All the games they played last year came down to the wire pretty much. LA was actually up double digits in two of the games. They just choked it away.
ShawkFactory
04-18-2024, 11:25 AM
I do think it's reasonable to say that they are fairly evenly matched. One team has the best player in the world and the other doesn't though, so that moves the needle.
elementally morale
04-18-2024, 11:26 AM
These teams are much closer than their recent H2H record shows. The Lakers are due to win a few games so I would not at all be surprised to see a long series. Even if the Lakers win I won't be shocked. I think Denver has a 70-30 edge. Definitely not a one sided matchup.
sdot_thadon
04-18-2024, 11:43 AM
That's not saying much. The huge difference is health/consistency. The Lakers are the type of team that at their best can beat the world champs, then be blown away by the Kings. They cant do anything if they can't string good performances together.
NBAGOAT
04-18-2024, 12:17 PM
If you really look at it fairly Lebron and AD are one of the best statistically producing duos in the NBA and are on par with Jokic and Murray duo.
And Gordon / KCP / Porter are pretty much on par with Reaves / Rui / D-Lo. There's not a big difference at all between the talent of these two teams.
All the games they played last year came down to the wire pretty much. LA was actually up double digits in two of the games. They just choked it away.
you're underrating defense when looking at denver's other guys. EPM denver's trio is 2.4/0.7/1.4. LA's trio is -1.2/0.3/1.6. AD is better than murray tbf to 3ball so unless jokic is that much better than lebron where jokic/murray is 9 wins better than lebron/ad(dont think that's true), the nuggets 9 extra wins came from the role players and/or coaching(ilikely both). AD/Lebron could match jokic/murray if murray doesnt go off thats true.
tontoz
04-18-2024, 12:21 PM
If you really look at it fairly Lebron and AD are one of the best statistically producing duos in the NBA and are on par with Jokic and Murray duo.
And Gordon / KCP / Porter are pretty much on par with Reaves / Rui / D-Lo. There's not a big difference at all between the talent of these two teams.
All the games they played last year came down to the wire pretty much. LA was actually up double digits in two of the games. They just choked it away.
Pretty sure the Lakers never had a 4th quarter lead in any of the playoff games. I don't think they were ever tied either.
tpols
04-18-2024, 12:23 PM
If anything the Lakers have more defensive top end talent. Jokic and Murray are totally average defenders. AD is by far the best defensive talent in the matchup and if LeBron tries he's better Yolk and Murray on D as well. The only good defender Denver really has is AG and hes not even a rim protector. Losing Vanderbilt and Shroeder hurts though.
FultzNationRISE
04-18-2024, 01:54 PM
If anything the Lakers have more defensive top end talent. Jokic and Murray are totally average defenders. AD is by far the best defensive talent in the matchup and if LeBron tries he's better Yolk and Murray on D as well. The only good defender Denver really has is AG and hes not even a rim protector. Losing Vanderbilt and Shroeder hurts though.
MPJ and KCP are plus defenders. Christian Braun is also a good defensive player off the bench.
FKAri
04-18-2024, 01:55 PM
AD < Jontay Porter
DLO < Charles Klask
But that's OK because LeJesus is there to help those who want to be helped. I just hope the Lakers choose wisely.
1987_Lakers
04-18-2024, 01:58 PM
Jokic cooked AD last season whenever AD was on him. I expect the Lakers to go with Rui alot more.
HylianNightmare
04-18-2024, 04:51 PM
Even I don't hate lebron this much
Duffy Pratt
04-19-2024, 02:23 PM
If anything the Lakers have more defensive top end talent. Jokic and Murray are totally average defenders. AD is by far the best defensive talent in the matchup and if LeBron tries he's better Yolk and Murray on D as well. The only good defender Denver really has is AG and hes not even a rim protector. Losing Vanderbilt and Shroeder hurts though.
KCP is all-defensive team level perimeter defender. Braun is an excellent defender. Watson is capable of being amazing, but also capable of making immature brain farts. Porter is much better this year than in the past. And both Jokic and Murray are significantly underrated on D now. Both are much improved, especially Jokic.
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