I legit had one of my friends tell me that the current nuggets would beat the KD GSW

[Mask the Embiid]

….Look I don’t know wtf y’all think jokic is but he is not that…and he will never be “that”…. I yelled at him and chewed him out pretty bad.


Current 2024 Nuggets could beat the kd warriors….u must be out of yo damn mind. Sorry just randomly remembered this convo and decided to post it here


Edit He thinks because harden took them to 7 jokic would beat them….that was his dumbazz argument “do you think jokic is better than prime harden?” He kept repeating that in a desperate attempt to win the debate

[StrongLurk]

What I hate hearing the most in the claim that the late 90's Bulls would beat, or even destroy, the KD Warriors.

KD/Curry 2017 Warriors are the best team of all time. Too many people forget their insane depth and elite defense.

The late 90's Bulls would be ran off the court and shell shocked. Some people say the Bulls with the 90's rules would be better, but that is still a joke because then you are giving the 2017 Warriors a SHORTENED 3 point line :roll:

[ImKobe]

What I hate hearing the most in the claim that the late 90's Bulls would beat, or even destroy, the KD Warriors.

KD/Curry 2017 Warriors are the best team of all time. Too many people forget their insane depth and elite defense.

The late 90's Bulls would be ran off the court and shell shocked. Some people say the Bulls with the 90's rules would be better, but that is still a joke because then you are giving the 2017 Warriors a SHORTENED 3 point line :roll:

Bulls had one of the ATG defenses though.. They have the personnel to defend both KD and Steph and they did a great job shutting down one of the greatest off-ball shooters ever in Reggie with Jordan and Harper chasing him through screens and contesting those shots as well as anyone could. They had one of the GOAT rebounders and two of the greatest 2-way players in NBA history.

Rockets were no superpower and they were up 3 - 2 on that 2018 KD team. The only concern you would have with the Bulls is whether they could keep up with today's scoring under today's rules, but they had some players like Kukoc and Kerr, who would be able to put up more points in today's NBA.

And then there's the MJ factor in crunch time. IDGAF what era you'd put him in he's going to get his shot and make it more often than not when it matters most.

[ImKobe]

….Look I don’t know wtf y’all think jokic is but he is not that…and he will never be “that”…. I yelled at him and chewed him out pretty bad.


Current 2024 Nuggets could beat the kd warriors….u must be out of yo damn mind. Sorry just randomly remembered this convo and decided to post it here


Edit He thinks because harden took them to 7 jokic would beat them….that was his dumbazz argument “do you think jokic is better than harden?” He kept repeating that in a desperate attempt to win the debate

The Rockets almost did it. Would you not take the 2024 Nuggets over the 2018 Rockets? Jokic is as unstoppable of a player as we've ever seen, and they run one of the best offenses in NBA history. Murray can give you 2-3 great games in a series where Jokic doesn't even have to go off.

[FultzNationRISE]

Aaron Gordon has the ability to lock up KD.
KCP can cover Klay.
Jamal definitely has the ability to outplay Steph. If it’s a meaningless game Id def go Steph but if it’s for something I might take Murray.

The depth would be the problem. Warriors have a big advantage.

Guys like MPJ and KCP would have to be lights out from three. Id probably favor the Warriors but its not impossible it could turn out different.

[Dbrog]

It's not actually as crazy as it sounds. Certainly that team was most vulnerable inside...probably their only weakness TBH. They were fortunate enough that there were no dominant bigs in that era, or certainly against the teams they faced in the playoffs (don't you dare say Gobert :lol). I'm not saying 100% the Nuggs would win, but I think there's definitely a chance

[tpols]

Nuggets defense would be comical against those Warriors shooting and athletic abilities. It would be a field day.

The Dubs actually had an elite defense on top of GOAT offense.

[r0drig0lac]

no way

[SATAN]

….Look I don’t know wtf y’all think jokic is but he is not that…and he will never be “that”…. I yelled at him and chewed him out pretty bad.


Current 2024 Nuggets could beat the kd warriors….u must be out of yo damn mind. Sorry just randomly remembered this convo and decided to post it here


Edit He thinks because harden took them to 7 jokic would beat them….that was his dumbazz argument “do you think jokic is better than prime harden?” He kept repeating that in a desperate attempt to win the debate

Show him this thread.

[NBAGOAT]

nuggets are better than the rockets and jokic>prime harden but the rockets matched up better with gs. They had enough defenders to guard everyone current nuggets do not

[StrongLurk]

Bulls had one of the ATG defenses though.. They have the personnel to defend both KD and Steph and they did a great job shutting down one of the greatest off-ball shooters ever in Reggie with Jordan and Harper chasing him through screens and contesting those shots as well as anyone could. They had one of the GOAT rebounders and two of the greatest 2-way players in NBA history.

Rockets were no superpower and they were up 3 - 2 on that 2018 KD team. The only concern you would have with the Bulls is whether they could keep up with today's scoring under today's rules, but they had some players like Kukoc and Kerr, who would be able to put up more points in today's NBA.

And then there's the MJ factor in crunch time. IDGAF what era you'd put him in he's going to get his shot and make it more often than not when it matters most.

The points you made about the Bulls are not moving the needle, they are still totally outmatched. MJ could score 50ppg and those Bulls still lose. MJ could give KD some trouble, but NO one on the Bulls can stop Curry. Pippen routinely got roasted by much worse players than KD/Curry. Basketball isn't 2 on 2, the Warriors depth/role players were elite two way guys. Outside of MJ, there is simply not enough firepower at all on those Bulls teams. The Bulls can't win taking 10 threes per game.

Also the 2017 Warriors were either the best or second best defense in the league...

Also idk why you bring up the 2018 Warriors when my whole post was about the 2017 Warriors. 2018 Warriors were not as good due to chemistry issues building.

[1987_Lakers]

Also idk why you bring up the 2018 Warriors when my whole post was about the 2017 Warriors. 2018 Warriors were not as good due to chemistry issues building.

True.

People also forget how good the '18 Rockets were. They won 65 games, had the #1 offense & #6 defense. Bunch of 3 & D role players who could switch everything on defense, this gave the Warriors fits.

And no team in NBA history is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 7 game series.

[SouBeachTalents]

This conversation was as real as an Embiid trip past the 2nd round.

[Carbine]

True.

People also forget how good the '18 Rockets were. They won 65 games, had the #1 offense & #6 defense. Bunch of 3 & D role players who could switch everything on defense, this gave the Warriors fits.

And no team in NBA history is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 7 game series.

You can't say that definitively. It's impossible. The 2001 Lakers would be a bad matchup for those 2017 Warriors.

The Spurs of 2014 played team basketball as well as it could be played when they had it going. It would not be shocking to see that series go in the Spurs favor. I think the Warriors would.be favored, but upsets in the -150 range happen all the time.

[Axe]

And no team in NBA history is beating the 2017 Warriors in a 7 game series.
No one but they're not quite invincible as they seem to be. They were down by at least 20 in game 1 of the 2017 wcf against the spurs until zaza injured kawhi in the third quarter which was intentional. He was never able to go back for the rest of the series and thus, inevitably made the playoff run a cakewalk for the warriors. Kawhi ultimately avenged this with the raptors in 2019, a playoff run for the warriors in which it involved going 4-0 without kd in the 2019 wcf.

[stalkerforlife]

I would never be friends with a pathological liar.

[fsvr54]

Nuggets defense would be comical against those Warriors shooting and athletic abilities. It would be a field day.

The Dubs actually had an elite defense on top of GOAT offense.

It would be comical how no one on the Warriors could guard Jokic and he just destroys them with passing if they start to double.

[dankok8]

As great as the 2017 Warriors are (minimum top 3 team all-time), you could make a case they never faced a real challenge. Kawhi got hurt so the Spurs were derailed. Then they played the Cavs in the Finals who were a GOAT-level offensive machine but super weak on D. So they may not be invincible. But Denver is not a historically great team so I don't see them having a great chance.

[ImKobe]

The points you made about the Bulls are not moving the needle, they are still totally outmatched. MJ could score 50ppg and those Bulls still lose. MJ could give KD some trouble, but NO one on the Bulls can stop Curry. Pippen routinely got roasted by much worse players than KD/Curry. Basketball isn't 2 on 2, the Warriors depth/role players were elite two way guys. Outside of MJ, there is simply not enough firepower at all on those Bulls teams. The Bulls can't win taking 10 threes per game.

Also the 2017 Warriors were either the best or second best defense in the league...

Also idk why you bring up the 2018 Warriors when my whole post was about the 2017 Warriors. 2018 Warriors were not as good due to chemistry issues building.

Harper, Jordan and Pippen could keep up with Steph. Pippen, Rodman, Harper & MJ could defend Durant in ISO. Only issue is their lack of 3s but they'd take more under today's rules and with how much attention MJ demands in the paint he'd be able to find Kukoc & Kerr for open corner 3s. Not sure if MJ and Pippen could make their own share of 3s but with modern NBA rules they'd have better looks instead of the bailout ones they were shooting with their low volume in the late 90s.

All I know is no one on GS side would be able to check MJ 1 on 1. Issue is Rodman is not a real threat offensively but he'd get some easy looks in the paint as guys help off him.

[j3lademaster]

Those Warriors teams sucked against adversity. They were the most talented team of all time but also the most mentally weak championship team ever. Kawhi was taking it to them and had the Spurs up 25. Zaza injured him and Warriors go on 18-0 run and Curry and KD got to finish the game with a decent box score, like they weren’t choking the game away up til that point. Lebron had the 50 point game in the finals and had the Warriors playing scared. Durant was completely rattled and allowed Lebron to bait him into a charge. It took a bogus call on a perfect charge drawn by Lebron into Hill missing a layup, then choking at the line. Hill needs to thank JR for what happened after next because Smith took all the attention off of George Hill with probably the most brain dead play in sports history.

The Nuggets are much better than that Cavs team and 17 Spurs and Jokic is one of the best players ever. Can they match GS’s talent? Nope. But GS gets rattled whenever they aren’t able to completely overwhelm you with talent, especially come conference finals and finals times. If it’s a regular season game or exhibition they destroy Denver though.

[nayte]

I feel like the bulls would do better then the nuggets but they both are still losing

[Axe]

Those Warriors teams sucked against adversity. They were the most talented team of all time but also the most mentally weak championship team ever. Kawhi was taking it to them and had the Spurs up 25. Zaza injured him and Warriors go on 18-0 run and Curry and KD got to finish the game with a decent box score, like they weren’t choking the game away up til that point. Lebron had the 50 point game in the finals and had the Warriors playing scared. Durant was completely rattled and allowed Lebron to bait him into a charge. It took a bogus call on a perfect charge drawn by Lebron into Hill missing a layup, then choking at the line. Hill needs to thank JR for what happened after next because Smith took all the attention off of George Hill with probably the most brain dead play in sports history.

The Nuggets are much better than that Cavs team and 17 Spurs and Jokic is one of the best players ever. Can they match GS’s talent? Nope. But GS gets rattled whenever they aren’t able to completely overwhelm you with talent, especially come conference finals and finals times. If it’s a regular season game or exhibition they destroy Denver though.
They're a great dynasty. However, all of their four rings with curry also had them facing opposing teams (otw and in the finals) that were hampered by respective injuries to different players. Namely;

2015 - no kevin love at all in the series matchup and kyrie irving going down in game 1 of the finals.

2017 - again, during the first game of the wcf zaza injured kawhi and the warriors had no more competition since.

2018 - cp3 going down in game 5 of the wcf, with the rockets blowing a 3-2 lead without him. LeKong with an undisclosed hand injury due to punching a wall in game 1 of the finals out of frustration at smith's stupidity by the end of 4th quarter.

2022 - ja morant (i hate him so much but he can't be overlooked) with a knee injury in game 3 of the west semifinals while jayson tatum had an undisclosed wrist injury in the finals that severely affected his shooting throughout the series.

Now those titles aren't necessarily asterisks but just something worthy to have in mind if they're being brought up.

[SATAN]

Harper, Jordan and Pippen could keep up with Steph. Pippen, Rodman, Harper & MJ could defend Durant in ISO. Only issue is their lack of 3s but they'd take more under today's rules and with how much attention MJ demands in the paint he'd be able to find Kukoc & Kerr for open corner 3s. Not sure if MJ and Pippen could make their own share of 3s but with modern NBA rules they'd have better looks instead of the bailout ones they were shooting with their low volume in the late 90s.

All I know is no one on GS side would be able to check MJ 1 on 1. Issue is Rodman is not a real threat offensively but he'd get some easy looks in the paint as guys help off him.

:roll:

[plowking]

Those Warriors with KD would have lost to the Spurs first round if it wasn't for a dirty injury play.

Then they would have lost the following year to the Rockets if they didn't choke. Seems fairly reasonable to suggest another team could have beat them?

[r0drig0lac]

Those Warriors with KD would have lost to the Spurs first round if it wasn't for a dirty injury play.

Then they would have lost the following year to the Rockets if they didn't choke. Seems fairly reasonable to suggest another team could have beat them?

Bulls Jordan would beat them without a doubt

[Axe]

Bulls Jordan would beat them without a doubt
They have a very solid defense but jordan without enough help on the offensive end can end up being a mismatch.

[plowking]

Bulls Jordan would beat them without a doubt

Probably not.

Teams are just better run now. Even less talented teams now can keep up due to the efficiency at which the 3 ball is shot.

[j3lademaster]

Bulls Jordan would beat them without a doubt

No chance. They don’t have the firepower to keep up. And I don’t know why no one acknowledges the fact that if you want to claim ‘today’s defenders aren’t allowed to touch you anymore’ you also have to acknowledge the Bulls’ defense will be significantly worse. Can’t have it both ways.

[hold this L]

The Rockets almost did it. Would you not take the 2024 Nuggets over the 2018 Rockets? Jokic is as unstoppable of a player as we've ever seen, and they run one of the best offenses in NBA history. Murray can give you 2-3 great games in a series where Jokic doesn't even have to go off.
2017 Warriors are better than the 2018 Warriors.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Bulls Jordan would beat them without a doubt

96 Bulls aren't beating the 2017 Warriors

That Warriors team would destroy them with shooting

[Axe]

The Rockets almost did it. Would you not take the 2024 Nuggets over the 2018 Rockets? Jokic is as unstoppable of a player as we've ever seen, and they run one of the best offenses in NBA history. Murray can give you 2-3 great games in a series where Jokic doesn't even have to go off.
Yes, simply because...

Joker > AD

[tpols]

It would be comical how no one on the Warriors could guard Jokic and he just destroys them with passing if they start to double.

Jokic is going to do his thing regardless. Murray ain't hanging 33/6/5 on sniper %'s against iggy and klay.

[BarberSchool]

What I hate hearing the most in the claim that the late 90's Bulls would beat, or even destroy, the KD Warriors.

KD/Curry 2017 Warriors are the best team of all time. Too many people forget their insane depth and elite defense.

The late 90's Bulls would be ran off the court and shell shocked. Some people say the Bulls with the 90's rules would be better, but that is still a joke because then you are giving the 2017 Warriors a SHORTENED 3 point line :roll:90’s Bulls would PHYSICALLY dominate the Warriors so much, it wouldn’t matter how much better they shot the 3.

But as for OP’s topic … it’s your duty to convince him otherwise, and not giving up the argument until he concedes to at least a partial level.

[SATAN]

90’s Bulls would PHYSICALLY dominate the Warriors so much, it wouldn’t matter how much better they shot the 3.



:facepalm

[ImKobe]

2017 Warriors are better than the 2018 Warriors.

The 2018 team had more depth but more injuries as well. They only won 9 less games with Steph missing 31 and the other 3 stars all missing like 9-14 as well. They had an easier road in 2017 with that Kawhi injury.

[rmt]

I would have liked to see this Nugget team against a team with big men to defend Jokic - like 2005 Spurs with a close to prime Duncan (although somewhat hobbled with ankle injury near playoffs), Rasho Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammed - iow, real big men as opposed to what passes today (sans Embiid, of course) as big men. All star Manu, before prime Parker, defensive Bruce Bowen, 3 point shooters Horry and Brent Barry.

KD GSW was more perimeter oriented - but hard to pass up a team with 2 close to peak MVPs - GOAT team.

[rmt]

Anyway, for this round, go Denver!

[Stephonit]

No way to really know with the current Denver team, but the following game did happen between late 2019 Warriors and Denver when they first started challenging for number 1, a challenge which was probably delayed a couple years because of their own injuries:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP2oLyg7HyQ

[Axe]

As great as the 2017 Warriors are (minimum top 3 team all-time), you could make a case they never faced a real challenge. Kawhi got hurt so the Spurs were derailed. Then they played the Cavs in the Finals who were a GOAT-level offensive machine but super weak on D. So they may not be invincible. But Denver is not a historically great team so I don't see them having a great chance.
Bump. We all know how kawhi went down in 2017 but always overlooked the fact that tony parker also went fully missing in the wcf due to ruptured tendon from the preceding series. And that's after playing 200+ straight games for the spurs in the postseason.

Yes, it's probably because he's old and insignificant by then and not the same player he once was during his prime. But still, some 10-ish ppg from an aging veteran could have helped his team avert a sweep somehow if he was present.

Many people may still be upset with the 2024 celtics winning the title because of the injury-riddled east. But they had too had a key player who was injured in the same run as well. Meanwhile, becoming aware of parker's absence in the 2017 wcf makes that year's title run for the warriors even look more of a joke lol.