Can we finally just admit Jokic is better than Lebron?

[Walk on Water]

At this point, maybe I'm just preaching to the choir. All real fans know Jokic is better than Lebron. But he's better than Lebron ever was. I mean WAY better. Can you really argue otherwise?

All you Lebron fans bragged for years and put down so many players to prop up your king. Why can't we just admit that Jokic is a near perfect player and Lebron never did it as well as Jokic, while having more help?

Jokic is a better passer than Lebron. Jokic turns it over less. Jokic is a better shooter, more efficient.

Lebron isn't better than Jokic at anything. Rebounds, blocks, it's all Jokic.

Can we just admit it? Jokic is better than Lebron at just about anything in basketball. I can't even think of one thing Lebron is better at, except maybe 3s ha ha. Lebron did improve on 3s.

10 wins in a row vs Lakers too btw, swept last year. Jokic is a better team player, better individual player.

Jokic should have more MVPs too. He has more triple doubles than Lebron and he's 10 years younger. I mean dam.

[Walk on Water]

This is not a knock on Lebron. But all these years that Lebron fans bragged and boasted distastefully. Will they finally admit that someone has him beat in stats? Lebron is only the GOAT when you twist facts and only look at what you want to look at. You could argue that Jokic is more gifted than Lebron in every single category. But Lebron fans only want to look at things that make him look good.

It's okay for you to say Lebron is the GOAT, better than Jordan. But it's not okay for me to state the obvious that Jokic is better than Lebron. Um okay.. I see how that works. Let's just play make believe.

[Axe]

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[Spurs m8]

Yep.

White boy keeps winning

His play backs it up...brons fake narrative is crumbling

[LeGoat4Life]

Huh?

Jokic has been better than Lebron for years. Lebron has been outside the top 5 for the last 4-5 years and that’s already the general consensus. Only the Lebron fans are making him relevant

[StrongLurk]

Might be the first time I kind of agree with OP.

Obviously Jokic has been better than Lebron since 2021. But I have been preaching for years that Jokic's current peak is potentially better than everyone except a handful of players. It's not a slight against Lebron, it's actually just Jokic being underrated.

[Nowoco]

People have said for years that LeBron makes teammates better. He doesn't. Jokic is a guy who ACTUALLY makes everyone around him great.

It reminds me of the Nash Suns years where in that system, good players looked great and average players looked really good.

[SATAN]

1. LeBron is 39 years old and probably the most unfairly criticized person I've ever seen. Jokic which morons are suddenly unfairly claiming as GOAT should be better if he's that good.
2. OP is a retard with multiple alts
3. Most basketball fans are retards. Like the guy above me.

[RogueBorg]

3. Most basketball fans are retards. Like the guy above me.

Nutjobs inside insane asylums don't realize they're crazy either. You'll realize it one day.

[BarberSchool]

This is the type of thread a LeBron Stan would false flag to make Jokic fans seem like irrational d!ckheads.

Jokic will never be a better athlete or a better individual talent than LeBron.

But he will likely end his career as a greater TEAM PLAYER than LeBron.
Which is crazy because LeBron is a very well rounded team player.
And his efficiency and turnover to assist ratio and other team advanced stats will be better than LeBron’s.

But unless he can win 3 more titles, and sustain similarly crazy numbers, he has zero chance at being above LeBron on any real all-time list.

[tpols]

This is the type of thread a LeBron Stan would false flag to make Jokic fans seem like irrational d!ckheads.

Jokic will never be a better athlete or a better individual talent than LeBron.

But he will likely end his career as a greater TEAM PLAYER than LeBron.
Which is crazy because LeBron is a very well rounded team player.
And his efficiency and turnover to assist ratio and other team advanced stats will be better than LeBron’s.

But unless he can win 3 more titles, and sustain similarly crazy numbers, he has zero chance at being above LeBron on any real all-time list.

Jokic is a better team player than Lebron. I mean... we've been witnessing a spanking in real time between the two over and over. It doesn't get much more clear than that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Jokic is a better team player than Lebron. I mean... we've been witnessing a spanking in real time between the two over and over. It doesn't get much more clear than that.
And we will not mention the fact when they've gone h2h one was 28/29 and the other was 38/39.

[BarberSchool]

And we will not mention the fact when they've gone h2h one was 28/29 and the other was 38/39.

One was 28/29 and never even seen a steroid in his life, barely even drank a protein shake ever.

The other 38/39 lives on a diet of Steroids and PED’s and hyperbaric chambers.

[tpols]

And we will not mention the fact when they've gone h2h one was 28/29 and the other was 38/39.

You act like Lebron is old and crippled. Hes still twice as athletic as Jokic right now. LeBron is averaging the same numbers right now as he did in his prime. And the game wasn't even high scoring. He's literally doing the same thing. The difference is Jokic is a true monster teammate elevator. And has zero ego.

[RRR3]

ttrolls claims AD is the best player on the Lakers but it's somehow Jokic vs LeBron :biggums:

[SouBeachTalents]

You act like Lebron is old and crippled. Hes still twice as athletic as Jokic right now. LeBron is averaging the same numbers right now as he did in his prime. And the game wasn't even high scoring. He's literally doing the same thing. The difference is Jokic is a true monster teammate elevator. And has zero ego.
I don't act like that, LeBron is still great for his age. But unlike you I'm not going to pretend he's close to the player he was in his prime when he was the consensus BITW, while now, he's at best at the end of the top 10.

Jokic's so great I wouldn't even dispute someone saying he's better than LeBron peak for peak, he's a true GOAT level player, but coming to that conclusion based off matchups when one is at the peak of his powers and the other is pushing 40 is a disingenuous argument to make.

[Lebron23]

Prime LeBron is better.

[SATAN]

Nutjobs inside insane asylums don't realize they're crazy either. You'll realize it one day.

Pretty sure once they are in most know something is wrong actually, you stupid cvnt.

[bladefd]

Prime LeBron is better.

OP has never seen prime LeBron. He was probably 5yrs old at the time.

[Walk on Water]

Prime LeBron is better.



Of course Lebron was better in his prime. But to say he's better than Jokic would be a stretch. I don't see it.

[Walk on Water]

OP has never seen prime LeBron. He was probably 5yrs old at the time.



Prime Lebron lost multiple times in the Finals while having multiple all stars. I don't see Jokic losing against Dwight Howard or Dirk Nowitski. Not the way Lebron did, without grace.

[Walk on Water]

Jokic is a better team player than Lebron. I mean... we've been witnessing a spanking in real time between the two over and over. It doesn't get much more clear than that.



Yea. It's so biased and dishonest for Lebron fans to not even want to engage in a discussion about someone being better than him.

It's like they just want to believe Lebron is the GOAT because he's Lebron and that's the end of the discussion.

Not only does Jokic make his teammates better, but he's better than Lebron in SOOO many aspects.

He's a better rebounder than Lebron by miles. He's a better shot blocker.
Yes, he's a center.

But people call Lebron a triple double machine. Jokic has more triple doubles and has played 10 less years. I mean... Jokic even has a better assists to turnover ratio.

Lebron may average more points for his career, but Jokic doesn't ever miss. He has a quite higher field goal percentage.

Lebron is more athletic, but that doesn't matter as long as we're talking about the results.

[FKAri]

I think in a few more years if Jokic can keep this up and Bron enters his 40's then it could get close.

[Walk on Water]

Jokic baby Jokic. All of the extreme LeBron fans.. now you see. 11 in a row baby. All these years of LeBron being shoved down our throats. LeBron continues to lose to Jokic.

If LeBron is a goat, Jokic is the daddy goat

[90sgoat]

If Jokic repeats this year then he is for sure in the top 10 all time and basically can challenge almost anyone not named MJ or Kareem imo.

I'd say he is on par with Kobe, Hakeem, Lebron, already now. Low end top 10.

He needs some more rings to challenge Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq.

The thing with Lebron, his fans always claimed his longevity, but outside a bubble ring, he hasn't been a factor at all in his late age. Missed the playoffs, two early exits, one bubble ring. That's not impressive. He doesn't have the elite shooting to stay relevant like Kareem or the defense to stay relevant like Duncan.

He's more like Karl Malone, keep racking up the stats, which is very impressive, but ultimately, not having the elite specialized skills that could make him relevant at his age.

[StrongLurk]

If Jokic repeats this year then he is for sure in the top 10 all time and basically can challenge almost anyone not named MJ or Kareem imo.

I'd say he is on par with Kobe, Hakeem, Lebron, already now. Low end top 10.

He needs some more rings to challenge Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq.

The thing with Lebron, his fans always claimed his longevity, but outside a bubble ring, he hasn't been a factor at all in his late age. Missed the playoffs, two early exits, one bubble ring. That's not impressive. He doesn't have the elite shooting to stay relevant like Kareem or the defense to stay relevant like Duncan.

He's more like Karl Malone, keep racking up the stats, which is very impressive, but ultimately, not having the elite specialized skills that could make him relevant at his age.

Bron is ahead of everyone except for Jordan, and MAYBE Kareem. Lebron has 4 MVPs, 4 FMVPs, all time scoring leader, 20 all-nba teams, absurd advanced stats across his prime, elite defensively in his prime too.

Also how does Jokic need more rings to challenge Bird? Another MVP/FMVP this year literally equals Bird's MVP/FMVP count and Jokic blows Bird out of the water when looking at impact stats. If anything, Bird is the WEAKEST player in the top ten all time in my opinion.

[FultzNationRISE]

OP do you want my fist to finally just admit your face?

[90sgoat]

Bron is ahead of everyone except for Jordan, and MAYBE Kareem. Lebron has 4 MVPs, 4 FMVPs, all time scoring leader, 20 all-nba teams, absurd advanced stats across his prime, elite defensively in his prime too.

Also how does Jokic need more rings to challenge Bird? Another MVP/FMVP this year literally equals Bird's MVP/FMVP count and Jokic blows Bird out of the water when looking at impact stats. If anything, Bird is the WEAKEST player in the top ten all time in my opinion.

I rank Lebron anywhere from 9th to 6th probably, which I think is fine. It's my ranking after all. I don't really put too much into Karl Malone like longevity. I am more impressed by those who can stay relevant at an old age by having some superweapon like Kareem's skyhook or Duncans defense. That's what someone like Shaq didn't have, while Magic returned as an aids riddled zombie at 36 and actually could compete.

No real knock, Lebron has had a great career and was a truly elite player for 4-5 years in Miami and Cleveland, but he didn't have the skills to be able to deliver in every situation. That's ok, very few do, even Duncan didn't. Lebron and Duncan are sort of similar in that regard and both can most generously be ranked around the 6-7th mark.

[Mask the Embiid]

At this point, maybe I'm just preaching to the choir. All real fans know Jokic is better than Lebron. But he's better than Lebron ever was. I mean WAY better. Can you really argue otherwise?

All you Lebron fans bragged for years and put down so many players to prop up your king. Why can't we just admit that Jokic is a near perfect player and Lebron never did it as well as Jokic, while having more help?

Jokic is a better passer than Lebron. Jokic turns it over less. Jokic is a better shooter, more efficient.

Lebron isn't better than Jokic at anything. Rebounds, blocks, it's all Jokic.

Can we just admit it? Jokic is better than Lebron at just about anything in basketball. I can't even think of one thing Lebron is better at, except maybe 3s ha ha. Lebron did improve on 3s.

10 wins in a row vs Lakers too btw, swept last year. Jokic is a better team player, better individual player.

Jokic should have more MVPs too. He has more triple doubles than Lebron and he's 10 years younger. I mean dam.

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22 years old….

[RRR3]

Yikes :roll:

[red1]

OP hold this massive L

[red1]

Yikes :roll:

just embarrassing because he was trying to sound smart



pure cringe :facepalm

[Nb1]

Yea. It's so biased and dishonest for Lebron fans to not even want to engage in a discussion about someone being better than him.

It's like they just want to believe Lebron is the GOAT because he's Lebron and that's the end of the discussion.

Not only does Jokic make his teammates better, but he's better than Lebron in SOOO many aspects.

He's a better rebounder than Lebron by miles. He's a better shot blocker.
Yes, he's a center.

But people call Lebron a triple double machine. Jokic has more triple doubles and has played 10 less years. I mean... Jokic even has a better assists to turnover ratio.

Lebron may average more points for his career, but Jokic doesn't ever miss. He has a quite higher field goal percentage.

Lebron is more athletic, but that doesn't matter as long as we're talking about the results.


What a retarded argument lol. By that definition MJ is the biggest bum on earth because at 39 more than 95% of the league was better than him and many guys are better at rebounding, block, assists than him overall, so i guess he doesn't even make the top 1000.

Honestly Lebron haters are so retarded. Bron was 13-5 vs jokic when he wasn't that old lol and has 5 chips taking the worst teams ever to the finals all the time, it's not even comparable.

With those kind of arguments amazing players like Steph are the worst on earth, since even G leaguers can block, rebound, assist better than him, so retarded...