If Patrick Ewing have Jalen Brunson as his 2nd scoring option instead of John Starks

[Lebron23]

The New York Knicks would have won an NBA championship in the 1990's

[ELITEpower23]

John Grocery Bagger Starks :roll:

That was MJ's #1 direct competiton at Shooting Guard

Meanwhile LeBron faced SF like PG13, Kawhi, Melo, Butler, Durant.

MJ faced Terry Porter and John Fuxxing Starks

ITS OVER

[Reggie43]

Which team would they have beaten from 1990-99? Badboys Pistons? Jordan/Pip? Peak Olajuwon? Spurs Twin Towers?

[imdaman99]

John Starks was really good. Troll him all you like, he made the most of his potential. He is revered and still a fan favorite, which is why he's going to road playoff games. That being said, Brunson is a superstar. With Ewing, who knows, the sky is the limit.

[90sgoat]

John Starks was really good. Troll him all you like, he made the most of his potential. He is revered and still a fan favorite, which is why he's going to road playoff games. That being said, Brunson is a superstar. With Ewing, who knows, the sky is the limit.

Yep.

Starks was a great player, career playoff 3-point average of 37% on 5 attempts. That's a lot in the 90s.

All-Star, perennial 6-moy candidate, even was on an all defensive team.

Not to forget he was a high flyer and could dunk. He was a very exciting player.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWcfLMYGVCM

[StrongLurk]

Jalen Brunson would be the 1st option. Pat the second option.

[SouBeachTalents]

Which team would they have beaten from 1990-99? Badboys Pistons? Jordan/Pip? Peak Olajuwon? Spurs Twin Towers?
This one, unless you want to pretend Starks being replaced by a much better player doesn't swing a razor thin 7 game series.

[tpols]

Brunson is clearly way better than Starks. They would've easily won in 1994 with that swap. And it's not even close.

[Reggie43]

This one, unless you want to pretend Starks being replaced by a much better player doesn't swing a razor thin 7 game series.

Guys like Shaq/Penny, Stockton/Malone, Barkley/KJ, Kemp/Payton etc never won in that time frame but Ewing/Brunson would be enough to win it all?

[SouBeachTalents]

Guys like Shaq/Penny, Stockton/Malone, Barkley/KJ, Kemp/Payton etc never won in that time frame but Ewing/Brunson would be enough to win it all?
Huh :biggums: To be frank that's some serious ass backwards logic. Ewing with Starks was literally a play away from winning, why are you acting so surprised that Brunson in his place couldn't have done it? So weird :lol

[Reggie43]

Huh :biggums: To be frank that's some serious ass backwards logic. Ewing with Starks was literally a play away from winning, why are you acting so surprised that Brunson in his place couldn't have done it? So weird :lol

Because they wouldnt have the same results and identity playing with Brunson. They would be a way different team without the same defensive edge that got them to the finals. Brunson wouldnt even have the same impact playing with 90s pace and rules.

[Soundwave]

The "Starks worked in a grocery store" shit is dumb and misleading, he was a pretty good college basketball player and got kicked out of college for allegedly stealing someone's stereo and then smoking pot so that was the reason he was bagging groceries for a couple of months, not because he was some stiff that couldn't play, he did some dumb things in college.

Starks had game, dude posterized Hakeem Olajuwon, everyone talks about the dunk in the Bulls game, but that IMO was a better dunk, just straight up dunked on Hakeem directly.

It's not like Brunson is some average, mid-tier player either in the modern game (ie: take any average guy from today and give him to Ewing and instant championship!) ... Brunson was 4th in NBA scoring this season, higher than Durant and Tatum and Curry and LeBron. In the playoffs he's 2nd in league scoring at 33 ppg only behind Embiid.

Brunson is a top end player in today's game. Maybe the guy is just really that good. For all the talk about this playoffs being a coming out party for Anthony Edwards as a superstar, Brunson has has a higher PPG in both the regular season and playoffs.

[Airupthere]

The New York Knicks would have won an NBA championship in the 1990's

They still would not have won in the 90s becaused you already putted many better teammates in 90s Utah Jazz. Utah Jazz wins all championship if they had Pippen.

[GimmeThat]

still can't run a flipped play to save their life

[Jasper]

The New York Knicks would have won an NBA championship in the 1990's

correct.

[TAZORAC]

Yep.

Starks was a great player, career playoff 3-point average of 37% on 5 attempts. That's a lot in the 90s.

All-Star, perennial 6-moy candidate, even was on an all defensive team.

Not to forget he was a high flyer and could dunk. He was a very exciting player.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWcfLMYGVCM

You probably didnt even see Starks play. Starks was a good defender and a streaky shooter. Calling him "great" is pushing it. Starks wasnt even better then say a Kris Middleton

[TAZORAC]

Guys like Shaq/Penny, Stockton/Malone, Barkley/KJ, Kemp/Payton etc never won in that time frame but Ewing/Brunson would be enough to win it all?

The Knicks were deeper than those teams.

[Reggie43]

Their "depth" consisted of Charles Smith, Greg Anthony and Hubert Davis.

Im not even sure guys like Oakley, Ewing, Mason etc. could tolerate/allow a guy to take 29 shots a game while handling the ball most of the time.

[Xiao Yao You]

Because they wouldnt have the same results and identity playing with Brunson. They would be a way different team without the same defensive edge that got them to the finals. Brunson wouldnt even have the same impact playing with 90s pace and rules.

Someone gets it

[90sgoat]

You probably didnt even see Starks play. Starks was a good defender and a streaky shooter. Calling him "great" is pushing it. Starks wasnt even better then say a Kris Middleton

Middleton is also "great".

Starks was a character though, a personality.

[3ba11]

A lot of people think Luka > Ewing and he couldn't win anything with Brunson or Porzingas

And Ewing didn't just have Starks, who was 5th for DPOY in 93' and averaged 18 and 6 APG - Ewing had 4 guys that were better than Horace Grant, such as Mark Jackson, X-Man, Oakley and Mason.. He also had Gerald Wilkins and Greg Anthony (better than Paxson)

This was common - nearly every team in the league was better top to bottom than the Bulls because every team had good players throughout the roster, while the Bulls had outright role players at every roster spot except the top 2...

Furthermore, 3rd options during the 1st three-peat were 3x all-stars like Nance, Majerle or Aguirre, and during the 2nd three-peat the 3rd options were All-NBA like Schrempf, Mashburn and Mason.. So the Bulls 3rd option was always getting destroyed, while their 2nd option (pippen) only outscored guards that were underperforming against MJ and was otherwise destroyed by opposing SF's

[NBAGOAT]

Unpopular opinion if they played together brunson is the 1st option(Ewing better player since defense). Someone like iverson would be 1st option with mid 90s Ewing too and brunson is having a prime iverson lvl run

[BarberSchool]

Jordan and Pippen would have no problem holding Brunson to embarrisngly low efficiency.
And Brunson getting smoked on the other end.

Bulls in 3 if its first round.

Second round or ECF, Bulls in 5.

[GimmeThat]

maybe. Brunson's muscle memory might be on par with someone like Ray Allen.

[SouBeachTalents]

People really arguing the Knicks do worse with Brunson in John Starks place, give me a fvcking break :lol

[NBAGOAT]

Their "depth" consisted of Charles Smith, Greg Anthony and Hubert Davis.

Im not even sure guys like Oakley, Ewing, Mason etc. could tolerate/allow a guy to take 29 shots a game while handling the ball most of the time.

If their depth isn’t that good then how did Ewing/starks compete with all those elite duos? Current brunson is also right up there with a lot of those 2nd options if not better. He’s 6th in epm this year and in the top 10 conversation. Doesn’t matter if those guys don’t tolerate it Riley would realize brunson is maybe the best scorer on the team and make those guys accept it. Genuinely one of the better carry jobs we’ve seen. I’m not talking raw numbers Knicks are 7th in offense with one of their 2 offensive creators missing most of the year

[Reggie43]

One of the things we learned from the superteam era is that chemistry is not a given when adding talented players and getting a ball dominant guard that shoots that much is a drastic change on how they play the game.

Knicks had a ton of strong personalities on the team (Riley, Ewing, Oakley, Mason) wherein you just cant dictate on how they want to play.

[kawhileonard2]

They lose earlier. 90’s was too tough

[ShawkFactory]

A lot of people think Luka > Ewing and he couldn't win anything with Brunson or Porzingas

And Ewing didn't just have Starks, who was 5th for DPOY in 93' and averaged 18 and 6 APG - Ewing had 4 guys that were better than Horace Grant, such as Mark Jackson, X-Man, Oakley and Mason.. He also had Gerald Wilkins and Greg Anthony (better than Paxson)

This was common - nearly every team in the league was better top to bottom than the Bulls because every team had good players throughout the roster, while the Bulls had outright role players at every roster spot except the top 2...

Furthermore, 3rd options during the 1st three-peat were 3x all-stars like Nance, Majerle or Aguirre, and during the 2nd three-peat the 3rd options were All-NBA like Schrempf, Mashburn and Mason.. So the Bulls 3rd option was always getting destroyed, while their 2nd option (pippen) only outscored guards that were underperforming against MJ and was otherwise destroyed by opposing SF's

Whoa

[j3lademaster]

lol what’s with this trend of adding whatever hot streak player to a random contender of the 90’s? Brunson in the 90’s would be the 2nd or 3rd best perimeter scorer, so yeah adding him for free would make you pretty good.

[White Hammer]

https://i.postimg.cc/wvxm1LVL/brunson-40.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

https://i.postimg.cc/wvxm1LVL/brunson-40.jpg
They'd be better with Starks.

[j3lademaster]

They'd be better with Starks.Starks averages 45/8/8 on 55/45/95 if he played today.

[Ramza]

Unreal :bowdown: