Fetterman praises DeSantis for banning-lab grown meat, "would never serve that slob"

[ArbitraryWater]

"I would never serve that slob to my kids"

Crazy how he is just applying common sense and yet this seems completely out of the ordinary for a liberal to say.

[BarberSchool]

Frankenstein goes against the doctor who created him … and refuses to eat the bugs ?
Good for him !

[bladefd]

Fetterman is an idiot. Two typical politician with no understanding of the science behind fake meat and won't take the time to study it.

Nothing wrong with fake meat. It's irrational to argue against that if it means less agriculture land and animal breeding required. Animals require many acres of open grazing land, grain (grown on open land to grow for them), tons of fresh water, housing, care, and give off greenhouse gas like methane (it's much worse than co2). These are not wild animals either like with fish - they are bred in massive number specifically for consumption.

Huge benefit to shifting to fake meat. Science has shown it's healthier with just as many calories while being much better for the environment (land, water, air, pollution). If it tastes the same, what's the issue?

[ArbitraryWater]

Fetterman is an idiot. Two typical politician with no understanding of the science behind fake meat and won't take the time to study it.

Nothing wrong with fake meat. It's irrational to argue against that if it means less agriculture land and animal breeding required. Animals require many acres of open grazing land, grain (grown on open land to grow for them), tons of fresh water, housing, care, and give off greenhouse gas like methane (it's much worse than co2). These are not wild animals either like with fish - they are bred in massive number specifically for consumption.

Huge benefit to shifting to fake meat. Science has shown it's healthier with just as many calories while being much better for the environment (land, water, air, pollution). If it tastes the same, what's the issue?


:oldlol:

least expected bladed take ever


lab grown meat could never replicate the nutrients or taste of real meat.


Nature cant be cheated, dumbass!

These are simple rules of life.


And nature wont have natural inhabitants be detrimental to itself, that doesnt make any SENSE.

[RRR3]

d-duhhh-uhhh-uhhh
:biggums:

[bladefd]

:oldlol:

least expected bladed take ever


lab grown meat could never replicate the nutrients or taste of real meat.


Nature cant be cheated, dumbass!

These are simple rules of life.


And nature wont have natural inhabitants be detrimental to itself, that doesnt make any SENSE.

It does. Look it up. And try it. It's actually healthier and better than regular meat.

The only issue right now is it's more expensive. Give it time to grow as an industry, and price will come tumbling down in a few years.

[iamgine]

Lab grown is the future. Next we'll have lab grown babies with perfect health and no genetic defect.

[GimmeThat]

the biggest problem for lab grown meat is that there aren't any recipes for it, you really have to stop caring about dying in order to consume it.

once you stop caring about dying, you can never replenish your fluids.

[Jasper]

i will stick with my wild game

[SATAN]

It does. Look it up. And try it. It's actually healthier and better than regular meat.

The only issue right now is it's more expensive. Give it time to grow as an industry, and price will come tumbling down in a few years.


Lab-grown meat, which is cultured from animal cells, is often thought to be more environmentally friendly than beef because it’s predicted to need less land, water and greenhouse gases than raising cattle. But in a preprint, not yet peer-reviewed, researchers at the University of California, Davis, have found that lab-grown or “cultivated” meat’s environmental impact is likely to be “orders of magnitude” higher than retail beef based on current and near-term production methods.

Researchers conducted a life-cycle assessment of the energy needed and greenhouse gases emitted in all stages of production and compared that with beef. One of the current challenges with lab-grown meat is the use of highly refined or purified growth media, the ingredients needed to help animal cells multiply. Currently, this method is similar to the biotechnology used to make pharmaceuticals. This sets up a critical question for cultured meat production: Is it a pharmaceutical product or a food product?

“If companies are having to purify growth media to pharmaceutical levels, it uses more resources, which then increases global warming potential,” said lead author and doctoral graduate Derrick Risner, UC Davis Department of Food Science and Technology. “If this product continues to be produced using the “pharma” approach, it’s going to be worse for the environment and more expensive than conventional beef production.”

The scientists defined the global warming potential as the carbon dioxide equivalents emitted for each kilogram of meat produced. The study found that the global warming potential of lab-based meat using these purified media is four to 25 times greater than the average for retail beef.
A more climate friendly burger in the future?

One of the goals of the industry is to eventually create lab-grown meat using primarily food-grade ingredients or cultures without the use of expensive and energy-intensive pharmaceutical grade ingredients and processes.

Under that scenario, researchers found cultured meat is much more environmentally competitive, but with a wide range. Cultured meat’s global warming potential could be between 80% lower to 26% above that of conventional beef production, they calculate. While these results are more promising, the leap from “pharma to food” still represents a significant technical challenge for system scale-up.

“Our findings suggest that cultured meat is not inherently better for the environment than conventional beef. It’s not a panacea,” said corresponding author Edward Spang, an associate professor in the Department of Food Science and Technology. “It’s possible we could reduce its environmental impact in the future, but it will require significant technical advancement to simultaneously increase the performance and decrease the cost of the cell culture media.”

Even the most efficient beef production systems reviewed in the study outperform cultured meat across all scenarios (both food and pharma), suggesting that investments to advance more climate-friendly beef production may yield greater reductions in emissions more quickly than investments in cultured meat.

Developing the technology that would allow the leap from “pharma to food” is among the goals of the UC Davis Cultivated Meat Consortium, a cross-disciplinary group of scientists, engineers, entrepreneurs and educators researching cultivated meat. Other goals are to establish and evaluate cell lines that could be used to grow meat and find ways to create more structure in cultured meat.

Risner said even if lab-based meat doesn’t result in a more climate-friendly burger, there is still valuable science to be learned from the endeavor.

“It may not lead to environmentally friendly commodity meat, but it could lead to less expensive pharmaceuticals, for example,” said Risner. “My concern would just be scaling this up too quickly and doing something harmful for the environment.”

Other authors include Yoonbin Kim and Justin Siegel of UC Davis and Cuong Nguyen of the University of California Division of Agriculture and Natural Resources.

The research was funded by the UC Davis Innovation Institute for Food and Health and the National Science Foundation Growing Convergence Research grant.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/lab-grown-meat-carbon-footprint-worse-beef

It's a good idea but not scaling out any time soon.

[ShawkFactory]

:oldlol:

least expected bladed take ever


lab grown meat could never replicate the nutrients or taste of real meat.


Nature cant be cheated, dumbass!

These are simple rules of life.


And nature wont have natural inhabitants be detrimental to itself, that doesnt make any SENSE.

Sure it can. Maybe if the argument is that it can’t be exactly the same, then sure.

I don’t really eat read meat all that much and have only had impossible meat a couple times but it tastes pretty similar. And nutrient-wise it certainly isn’t lacking.

We as humans manipulate nature all the time. Don’t post from your cellular phone while taking a shit and then drive in your oil-filled car to or from your home that exists because we’ve pillaged the environment it was previously in…only to have an issue with this of all things.

I don’t really care either way but be consistent at least.

[GimmeThat]

Sure it can. Maybe if the argument is that it can’t be exactly the same, then sure.


if a machine can help produce more food for humanity through nature, your argument becomes, let a machine be in a lab, consuming other machines, in order to provide food.

you want to say X * Y = Z, and X * X = Z, therefore X = Y only in reality, it's still X * Y = Z, X * X * Y = XZ(YZ)


again, where are the babies

[Real Men Wear Green]

If there is no known sickness or negative effect caused by eating it why should it be banned? DeSantis loves to pass useless legislation. Loves to violate personal freedoms whenever he finds it to be convenient.

[GimmeThat]

If there is no known sickness or negative effect caused by eating it why should it be banned?

helplessness

[ArbitraryWater]

Sure it can. Maybe if the argument is that it can’t be exactly the same, then sure.

I don’t really eat read meat all that much and have only had impossible meat a couple times but it tastes pretty similar. And nutrient-wise it certainly isn’t lacking.

We as humans manipulate nature all the time. Don’t post from your cellular phone while taking a shit and then drive in your oil-filled car to or from your home that exists because we’ve pillaged the environment it was previously in…only to have an issue with this of all things.

I don’t really care either way but be consistent at least.


Where is a purpose or function of nature being manipulated in that, exactly? :lol

This gonna be good

[ArbitraryWater]

If there is no known sickness or negative effect caused by eating it why should it be banned? DeSantis loves to pass useless legislation. Loves to violate personal freedoms whenever he finds it to be convenient.

personal freedoms? :oldlol:



How exactly could meat be so tasty and delicious but not intended for us to be eaten?

God / Nature just so happened to want us a couple hundred thousand years down the line find the technology that would let us consume this the way it should be?

Very interesting stuff

[ArbitraryWater]

If there is no known sickness or negative effect caused by eating it why should it be banned? DeSantis loves to pass useless legislation. Loves to violate personal freedoms whenever he finds it to be convenient.


By the way if you hate personal freedoms being affected, you must have some strong opinion on Newsom, huh?

How much do you dislike that guy?

[GimmeThat]

God / Nature just so happened to want us a couple hundred thousand years down the line find the technology that would let us consume this the way it should be?


purified form of oxygen

[GimmeThat]

Where is a purpose or function of nature being manipulated in that, exactly? :lol


cooked

[ShawkFactory]

Where is a purpose or function of nature being manipulated in that, exactly? :lol

This gonna be good

In what?

[Bill Gates]

Nature cant be cheated, dumbass!

Bullshit

We already cheat nature and live far beyond our natural expectancy and you already consume lab created chemicals and preservatives daily. Unless your entire diet is raw fish and organic veggies grown in your back yard.

Outside of food medicine cheats nature in every way possible and we will eventually defeat the aging process all together.

[Bill Gates]

What's extra hilarious is that a farmed cow is not "nature" but the low-IQ don't grasp that.

Cows and pigs do not live in the wild. They were bred from other animals. Breeding and farming enormous populations of animals for mass consumption is not "nature".

[rmt]

I don't particularly care what lab-grown meat does to the environment. I want to know what it does to MY (and my family's) body. I want to know if it's going to have similar percentage of FAT (and correct ratio of omega 3 to 6 to 9) to real meat or whether some bureaucrat is gonna mandate that saturated fat and cholesterol is not good for us (similar to that stupid, recommended Food Pyramid). And I want decades of people eating this stuff with no ill effects before switching. Unfortunately, I don't have that amount of time.

And in the meantime, don't touch my real beef, bacon or butter. It should be a choice - if you wanna eat that stuff, go ahead. But don't hike up taxes/mandates of me (not) eating real meat.

[GimmeThat]

What's extra hilarious is that a farmed cow is not "nature" but the low-IQ don't grasp that.

Cows and pigs do not live in the wild. They were bred from other animals. Breeding and farming enormous populations of animals for mass consumption is not "nature".

is solar energy nature, or is the use of solar energy the lack of understanding (cheat) of nature?

is evolution in itself not wild enough?


but here's the punchline, you went on the internet, and got rid of your paper mails, and now you don't even know what a map is.

[Bill Gates]

is solar energy nature, or is the use of solar energy the lack of understanding (cheat) of nature?

is evolution in itself not wild enough?


but here's the punchline, you went on the internet, and got rid of your paper mails, and now you don't even know what a map is.

Almost nothing we do is natural. We aren't cavemen anymore. We left our natural setting centuries ago. We have conquered nature and we will continue to conquer nature even further.

[Real Men Wear Green]

personal freedoms? :oldlol:



How exactly could meat be so tasty and delicious but not intended for us to be eaten?

God / Nature just so happened to want us a couple hundred thousand years down the line find the technology that would let us consume this the way it should be?

Very interesting stuff
So get rid of your car if you have one, toss out your computer and/or phone, go live ass-naked in the woods and live off of leaves and berries since you want to limit everyone to what "God" and nature have made. The Lord was very upset when we ate that apple and started wearing clothes, we need you to rectify the situation.

Everyone else, I just got rid of the dumbest poster on the board. Thank me.

[bladefd]

Bullshit

We already cheat nature and live far beyond our natural expectancy and you already consume lab created chemicals and preservatives daily. Unless your entire diet is raw fish and organic veggies grown in your back yard.

Outside of food medicine cheats nature in every way possible and we will eventually defeat the aging process all together.

Someone can correct me on this but afaik, even organic vegetables have been altered over centuries through selective breeding. Sure, they don't use gmos to raise them but that doesn't mean they have not be genetically altered through selective breeding over perhaps a century or at least multiple decades. Selective breeding is a form of altering what nature intended. We do it for animal meat too.

Fishes are the only thing that we don't. As long as they are acquired from the ocean in the wild and not bred in captivity on some fish farm. If they are from some fish farm then they probably used selective breeding too. And sea weeds I guess if from the wild and not a seaweed farm.

[bladefd]

is solar energy nature, or is the use of solar energy the lack of understanding (cheat) of nature?

is evolution in itself not wild enough?


but here's the punchline, you went on the internet, and got rid of your paper mails, and now you don't even know what a map is.

What. Are. You. Talking. About.

(as it pertains to solar energy)

[rmt]

Almost nothing we do is natural. We aren't cavemen anymore. We left our natural setting centuries ago. We have conquered nature and we will continue to conquer nature even further.

"We have conquered nature" - how arrogant. That's like people saying the Titanic couldn't sink. I don't care what man made thing is built/developed - it's nothing compared to NATURE. You do know that we humans are fallible and make mistakes.

[Bill Gates]

"We have conquered nature" - how arrogant. That's like people saying the Titanic couldn't sink. I don't care what man made thing is built/developed - it's nothing compared to NATURE. You do know that we humans are fallible and make mistakes.

Titanic? :wtf: I am saying we have departed from "nature". We are no longer part of the food chain, we have created our own food chain.

The arrogance lies with people like you who tell others they must live "natural" on their brand new I Phone that defies anything nature could produce for us. If you want to preach living natural then live out your life naked in the wilderness.

[rmt]

Titanic? :wtf: I am saying we have departed from "nature". We are no longer part of the food chain, we have created our own food chain.

The arrogance lies with people like you who tell others they must live "natural" on their brand new I Phone that defies anything nature could produce for us. If you want to preach living natural then live out your life naked in the wilderness.

Please point out exactly where in this thread I tell others they MUST live "natural." Maybe you missed:


It should be a choice - if you wanna eat that stuff, go ahead.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Please point out exactly where in this thread I tell others they MUST live "natural." Maybe you missed:
Yes, it should be a choice. No one is being force fed. DeSantis is the one making laws telling people what they can't eat.

[rmt]

Yes, it should be a choice. No one is being force fed. DeSantis is the one making laws telling people what they can't eat.

Yes, and Democratic Senator Fetterman agrees with him:

For instance, on May 2, Democratic Pennsylvania Sen. John Fetterman came out in support of DeSantis’ ban. “Pains me deeply to agree with Crash-and-Burn Ron, but I co-sign this,” Fetterman said on social media.

He continued: “As a member of @SenateAgDems and as some dude who would never serve that slop to my kids, I stand with our American ranchers and farmers.”

Fetterman’s statement actually encapsulates two of the most common motivations politicians cite when it comes to entertaining the idea of banning lab-grown meat: the idea that its introduction to the mass-market would damage farmers’ livelihoods, and the perception that lab-grown meat is hyper-processed “slop” that shouldn’t be offered to their constituents.

https://www.salon.com/2024/05/06/the-cultured-wars-why-lab-grown-meat-is-inspiring-bipartisan-hate/

I hate when one puts words in my mouth or thinks a policy is only one-sided.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Fetterman is wrong of course but he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it. The other states considering this ban are Alabama, Arizona and Tennessee. Two red states and one"purple" state that would be slightly red if Kari Lake wasn't so awful. I don't think this issue had made it to either party's platform yet but it's shaping up as something republicans are fighting.

[GimmeThat]

Almost nothing we do is natural. We aren't cavemen anymore. We left our natural setting centuries ago. We have conquered nature and we will continue to conquer nature even further.

if you're so blind, how do you choose to breathe?

[SATAN]

It appears OP has been slaughtered itt.

https://media.tenor.com/images/f7d607187cfa129ba95880d009f850f1/tenor.gif

[rmt]

Fetterman is wrong of course but he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it. The other states considering this ban are Alabama, Arizona and Tennessee. Two red states and one"purple" state that would be slightly red if Kari Lake wasn't so awful. I don't think this issue had made it to either party's platform yet but it's shaping up as something republicans are fighting.

Why do you say he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it? He's a Senator - he can help pass a FEDERAL law banning it. We have no idea what the other people in Congress think about this.

[GimmeThat]

Why do you say he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it? He's a Senator - he can help pass a FEDERAL law banning it. We have no idea what the other people in Congress think about this.

if the source of your power continuously ban all other substitutes, where's the source of a power to create a law?

to be more specific, a lab-grown meat user is willing to support your cause in banning it due to environmental cause, however, they are asking for real farmed meat in order to support the effort of creating a law. So sure, you'd say you go for it, as long as the user turns in enough lab-grown meat eater to make the environment better.

you're still left with the task of cleaning up the environment of your informer for their previous environmental harm, because had the user been able to use real farmed meat from the get go, he wouldn't take the risk of getting caught for turning his people in, he'd just leave the game.

so again, you arrive at the conclusion that you stick to your guns and the source of your power, and tell them their best bet is to gather together for a game of russian roulette, because no one volunteers to clean up after others body and sh*t when they simply just won't listen.


it's madness to assume anyone would give up first movers advantage in game theory.

[GimmeThat]

Yes, it should be a choice. No one is being force fed. DeSantis is the one making laws telling people what they can't eat.

you are correct in that consent trumps fairness, but then you are left with the matter that, it is in fact grounds for termination.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Why do you say he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it? He's a Senator - he can help pass a FEDERAL law banning it. We have no idea what the other people in Congress think about this.
A single Senator cannot pass a law. All he has been able to do so far is issue a statement in support. So far there is no movement to make this national law among senate Democrats. And there likely will not be because it doesn't jibe with their platform. Doesn't really fit into traditional conservative policy either but we still see a few Republican legislatures taking up this cause so it is what it is.

[rmt]

if the source of your power continuously ban all other substitutes, where's the source of a power to create a law?

to be more specific, a lab-grown meat user is willing to support your cause in banning it due to environmental cause, however, they are asking for real farmed meat in order to support the effort of creating a law. So sure, you'd say you go for it, as long as the user turns in enough lab-grown meat eater to make the environment better.

you're still left with the task of cleaning up the environment of your informer for their previous environmental harm, because had the user been able to use real farmed meat from the get go, he wouldn't take the risk of getting caught for turning his people in, he'd just leave the game.

so again, you arrive at the conclusion that you stick to your guns and the source of your power, and tell them their best bet is to gather together for a game of russian roulette, because no one volunteers to clean up after others body and sh*t when they simply just won't listen.


it's madness to assume anyone would give up first movers advantage in game theory.

I have no idea what first mover's advantage in game theory is (and I don't care to look it up).

Look at the Tic Tok ban - to divest or ban. There are MILLIONS of Tik Tok users - that didn't stop Congress/President from passing this bill. You are assuming that that many people are interested in the (long term) environment compared to the meat and dairy they eat EVERY DAY.

[rmt]

A single Senator cannot pass a law. All he has been able to do so far is issue a statement in support. So far there is no movement to make this national law among senate Democrats. And there likely will not be because it doesn't jibe with their platform. Doesn't really fit into traditional conservative policy either but we still see a few Republican legislatures taking up this cause so it is what it is.

Just like a singe Governor cannot pass a law.

We shall see.

[GimmeThat]

You are assuming that that many people are interested in the (long term) environment compared to the meat and dairy they eat EVERY DAY.

not even close, I'm pretty bothered by the fact that I get hacked into telling people how to live longer that I've often threaten people here that they should get shot by a gun.

and I'm telling you, my dreams are just sweet.

[rmt]

not even close, I'm pretty bothered by the fact that I get hacked into telling people how to live longer that I've often threaten people here that they should get shot by a gun.

and I'm telling you, my dreams are just sweet.

Sorry, maybe I'm just dense, but I'm not really understanding (the point of) your posts. Maybe you could please speak in layman's terms :-)

[rmt]

A single Senator cannot pass a law. All he has been able to do so far is issue a statement in support. So far there is no movement to make this national law among senate Democrats. And there likely will not be because it doesn't jibe with their platform. Doesn't really fit into traditional conservative policy either but we still see a few Republican legislatures taking up this cause so it is what it is.

So you can't envision a scenario where Repubs senators and these SenateAgDems (including Fetterman) reach 60 votes and this gets signed into law? After this Tik Tok bill, I think anything is possible.

[GimmeThat]

Sorry, maybe I'm just dense, but I'm not really understanding (the point of) your posts. Maybe you could please speak in layman's terms :-)

is lab grown meat a bubble

[Real Men Wear Green]

Just like a singe Governor cannot pass a law.

We shall see.
Yes he can when he is aided by the republican legislature of his state. So far this is a republican position.

[Real Men Wear Green]

So you can't envision a scenario where Repubs senators and these SenateAgDems (including Fetterman) reach 60 votes and this gets signed into law? After this Tik Tok bill, I think anything is possible.
So long as democrats run the senate, no, it's not happening. If Republicans take control and the president decides he is for this ban then maybe it happens but the current president and senate leadership don't seem interested in this.

[rmt]

So long as democrats run the senate, no, it's not happening. If Republicans take control and the president decides he is for this ban then maybe it happens but the current president and senate leadership don't seem interested in this.

Well, when I say "envision," I mean the future too.

[Media Moderator]

If there is no known sickness or negative effect caused by eating it why should it be banned? DeSantis loves to pass useless legislation. Loves to violate personal freedoms whenever he finds it to be convenient.

Freedom ranking

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/most-free-states

1.NH
2. Florida
....30.. Massachusetts

Oh...

[Media Moderator]

So weird how sides line up against things that are contrary to their nature. Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty

Democrats for lab grown meat
But are the most vocal on GMO foods

Democrats tend to rally against processed real meat but are totally for processed fake meat

Europe seems like they are the most consistent. They are against GMO foods but Austria, France, Italy, Czech Republic, Cyprus, Greece, Hungary, Luxembourg, Lithuania, Malta, Romania and Slovakia are all lining up to go to war against lab grown meat while little Netherlands is pushing hard for investing in the technology

[rmt]

https://www.costcobusinessdelivery.com/kirkland-signature-grass-fed-beef-patties%2C-13-lb-patty%2C-15-ct.product.100358331.html

100% grass fed beef patties, 80% lean/20% fat - $4.798 per lb. - Costco Kirkland

Oh well, that image didn't work.

[Off the Court]

So weird how sides line up against things that are contrary to their nature. Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty

Democrats for lab grown meat
But are the most vocal on GMO foods

Democrats tend to rally against processed real meat but are totally for processed fake meat

Europe seems like they are the most consistent. They are against GMO foods but Austria, France, Italy, Czech Republic, Cyprus, Greece, Hungary, Luxembourg, Lithuania, Malta, Romania and Slovakia are all lining up to go to war against lab grown meat while little Netherlands is pushing hard for investing in the technology

No one's diet should be driven by tribal politics. But vegans will take processed anything over the mass slaughtering animals every time. Nothing contrary about it.

From what I've seen in regards to processed meat, there is not a strong "rally" either way.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Freedom ranking

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/most-free-states

1.NH
2. Florida
....30.. Massachusetts

Oh...
You forgot to back yourself up with your alts. If you had I would still point out that your link is to an idiotic attempt to quantify"freedom" while ignoring or trivializing issues like gay rights while magnifying the importance of being allowed to purchase an AR-15 as quickly as possible with extra points awarded for ignoring backgrounds.

[rmt]

is lab grown meat a bubble

Sorry, I'm just not getting any of your posts.

[SATAN]

Sorry, I'm just not getting any of your posts.

He posts random gibberish. It's someone's weird alt account.

[Media Moderator]

You forgot to back yourself up with your alts. If you had I would still point out that your link is to an idiotic attempt to quantify"freedom" while ignoring or trivializing issues like gay rights while magnifying the importance of being allowed to purchase an AR-15 as quickly as possible with extra points awarded for ignoring backgrounds.

States people are fleeing to from Massachusetts
#1 NH
#4 Florida

Apparently they can't smell the air of so called freedom you have over there

[Real Men Wear Green]

Apparently you have no idea how overpopulated and expensive Boston is. There is no such thing as a house in this city that is under a million dollars. We have Harvard, MIT, Northeastern. BC, BU, Brandeis and other schools all in the Greater Boston area. People that leave Boston for NH or Florida do so because it's cheaper to live there not because they can't live without fireworks. Unfortunately they will have to leave Florida soon enough as hurricane and tropical storms continue to erase that state from the map. Their idiot governor needs to do something about the skyrocketing insurance rates instead of focusing on crap no one with any sense cares about. Lot of good the war on Disney has done.

[warriorfan]

Apparently you have no idea how overpopulated and expensive Boston is. There is no such thing as a house in this city that is under a million dollars. We have Harvard, MIT, Northeastern. BC, BU, Brandeis and other schools all in the Greater Boston area. People that leave Boston for NH or Florida do so because it's cheaper to live there not because they can't live without fireworks. Unfortunately they will have to leave Florida soon enough as hurricane and tropical storms continue to erase that state from the map. Their idiot governor needs to do something about the skyrocketing insurance rates instead of focusing on crap no one with any sense cares about. Lot of good the war on Disney has done.

Shut the f.uck up you fat whiny bitch

[Real Men Wear Green]

Shut the f.uck up you fat whiny bitchNo. What are you going to do about it? Report new to me again, dumbass.

[rmt]

Apparently you have no idea how overpopulated and expensive Boston is. There is no such thing as a house in this city that is under a million dollars. We have Harvard, MIT, Northeastern. BC, BU, Brandeis and other schools all in the Greater Boston area. People that leave Boston for NH or Florida do so because it's cheaper to live there not because they can't live without fireworks. Unfortunately they will have to leave Florida soon enough as hurricane and tropical storms continue to erase that state from the map. Their idiot governor needs to do something about the skyrocketing insurance rates instead of focusing on crap no one with any sense cares about. Lot of good the war on Disney has done.

As a Floridian, I can tell you that a big part of the problem is fraud. There are an abundance of "claim" lawyers who do nothing but go to court against state run Citizens property insurance (this is the last resort if you can't get private insurance). My neighbor got a brand new metal roof by hiring one of them (they get iirc 30% of the cut) - I guess litigating and litigating until the poor government lawyers on Citizen's side lose.

Usually unmentioned is that Florida has relatively low property taxes. By law, they cannot increase assessed property values more than 3% in any one year. Compare that to Texas (where homeowner's insurance is relatively low - although increasing because of the uptick of hail but) where their property values can go up 10% in a year. Property taxes NEVER go away whereas when you pay off your mortgage, you can drop homeowner's insurance (which many including my mom, brothers, mother-in-law do). You can get impact resistant windows and/or hurricane shutters.

BTW, DeSantis does an OUTSTANDING job when there are hurricanes - it is top-notch. I was here during Hurricane Andrew, and it took iirc 2 weeks before power was restored. Now they have FPL and even help from Georgia/other states ready, and they get power up very quickly.

I've also lived here for over 47 years and Florida is no more erased off the map than it was back then. Now we have pumps in our canals to lower level in preparation for hurricanes, etc. And what's not to love - LOW cost of living (no state tax), beautiful weather and freedom.

Don't get me started on Disney. As an annual Disney resident passholder for MANY years, that place has gone to pot. Prices are SO expensive now - they adjust prices based on attendance, the lines are absurdly long, the service is crappy - whatever happened to Disney World being a MAGICAL place? Aren't you one of those always complaining about big corporations paying their FAIR SHARE? Well, that's what DeSantis did - take away Disney's SPECIAL TREATMENT and pay (just like Universal Studios, SeaWorld and all the other theme parks do) their FAIR SHARE.


The Governor also signed HB 799 related to property insurance. The bill expands mitigation discount programs for policyholders by:

Requiring a property insurerÂ’s residential rate filing to allow for mitigation discounts which reduce the potential for windstorm losses.
Requiring residential property insurers to provide reasonable discount, credit, or appropriate reduction in deductibles for wind uplift prevention measures as a part of their rate filings.
Clarifying provisions included in Senate Bill 2A related to CitizenÂ’s Property Insurance Corporation flood insurance coverage requirements.
HB 881, signed by the Governor today, expands eligibility for the My Safe Florida Home Program, ensuring more Floridians can participate. The program was first included in Senate Bill 2D signed by the Governor last year, and upgrades funded through the program can result in premium discounts for program participants.

https://www.flgov.com/2023/05/31/governor-desantis-signs-consumer-protection-legislation-to-support-florida-policyholders-when-disaster-strikes/

[rmt]

There's also none of this insane chaos with protesting going on on FL's college campuses. I went to son's (yeah - the last one - we've "finished") graduation last Saturday and the protestors were chanting but standing (no sitting, no tents/encampments) in a roped off area with LOTS of police officers present - very orderly.

And yeah to my alma mater:

“This is not complicated: The University of Florida is not a daycare, and we do not treat protesters like children — they knew the rules, they broke the rules, and they’ll face the consequences. For many days, we have patiently told protesters — many of whom are outside agitators — that they were able to exercise their right to free speech and free assembly. And we also told them that clearly prohibited activities would result in a trespassing order from UPD (barring them from all university properties for three years) and an interim suspension from the university. For days UPD patiently and consistently reiterated the rules. Today, individuals who refused to comply were arrested after UPD gave multiple warnings and multiple opportunities to comply.”

[warriorfan]

rip rmwg

[Real Men Wear Green]

https://news.wfsu.org/state-news/2023-03-23/surging-growth-in-florida-and-rising-seas-equal-big-land-loss-by-2040

The loss of land mass is a real thing.
“We're about to hit a threshold where we're going to start seeing more rural impacts if the current pattern continues,” said Tom Hoctor, director of the University of Florida’s Center for Landscape Conservation Planning. I am sure that you find the lines at Disney to be annoying but I don't see how DeSantis fighting with them helps that. He didn't start attacking them because he was concerned with their tax payments, he went after them because their CEO publicly criticized his anti-woke policies. The "War on Woke" is one of the most useless initiatives we've ever seen and it completely failed in its true purpose, which was to get him the republican nomination for president.
rip rmwg You thought a long post was going to kill me?

[rmt]

https://news.wfsu.org/state-news/2023-03-23/surging-growth-in-florida-and-rising-seas-equal-big-land-loss-by-2040

The loss of land mass is a real thing. I am sure that you find the lines at Disney to be annoying but I don't see how DeSantis fighting with them helps that. He didn't start attacking them because he was concerned with their tax payments, he went after them because their CEO publicly criticized his anti-woke policies. The "War on Woke" is one of the most useless initiatives we've ever seen and it completely failed in its true purpose, which was to get him the republican nomination for president. You thought a long post was going to kill me?

I don't think it's useless - my brother (with 9 and 5 year olds) appreciates not having to worry so much about such things in their school. It never really affected me as I'm waaaaay past that stage and even then, I homeschooled up to high school (past the age of any indoctrination).

I do agree that DeSantis spends too much time on woke stuff, and I don't think he should have signed the 6 week abortion ban (he's not particularly religious and this ban was probably in return for changing rules to allow him to run for president while still governor). The 6 week ban is ok for me personally, but not for most Americans and why make it a political problem? I think a 12-15 week is fine and what MOST Americans would go for. After that you start feeling the baby somersaulting :-)

But hey, no one's perfect (in their role).

[Real Men Wear Green]

What do you or your brother think will be testify to those kids in school that is so bad th hat or merits being on the top of the Governor's agenda with so many tall problems facing the state? Insurance is going to hell over there and he's making sure that kids learn about the positive side of slavery.

[rmt]

Most parents will tell you that their kids are more important than any climate change, wind storm insurance - virtually anything.

[rawimpact]

As a Floridian, I can tell you that a big part of the problem is fraud. There are an abundance of "claim" lawyers who do nothing but go to court against state run Citizens property insurance (this is the last resort if you can't get private insurance). My neighbor got a brand new metal roof by hiring one of them (they get iirc 30% of the cut) - I guess litigating and litigating until the poor government lawyers on Citizen's side lose.

Usually unmentioned is that Florida has relatively low property taxes. By law, they cannot increase assessed property values more than 3% in any one year. Compare that to Texas (where homeowner's insurance is relatively low - although increasing because of the uptick of hail but) where their property values can go up 10% in a year. Property taxes NEVER go away whereas when you pay off your mortgage, you can drop homeowner's insurance (which many including my mom, brothers, mother-in-law do). You can get impact resistant windows and/or hurricane shutters.

BTW, DeSantis does an OUTSTANDING job when there are hurricanes - it is top-notch. I was here during Hurricane Andrew, and it took iirc 2 weeks before power was restored. Now they have FPL and even help from Georgia/other states ready, and they get power up very quickly.

I've also lived here for over 47 years and Florida is no more erased off the map than it was back then. Now we have pumps in our canals to lower level in preparation for hurricanes, etc. And what's not to love - LOW cost of living (no state tax), beautiful weather and freedom.

Don't get me started on Disney. As an annual Disney resident passholder for MANY years, that place has gone to pot. Prices are SO expensive now - they adjust prices based on attendance, the lines are absurdly long, the service is crappy - whatever happened to Disney World being a MAGICAL place? Aren't you one of those always complaining about big corporations paying their FAIR SHARE? Well, that's what DeSantis did - take away Disney's SPECIAL TREATMENT and pay (just like Universal Studios, SeaWorld and all the other theme parks do) their FAIR SHARE.


The Governor also signed HB 799 related to property insurance. The bill expands mitigation discount programs for policyholders by:

Requiring a property insurerÂ’s residential rate filing to allow for mitigation discounts which reduce the potential for windstorm losses.
Requiring residential property insurers to provide reasonable discount, credit, or appropriate reduction in deductibles for wind uplift prevention measures as a part of their rate filings.
Clarifying provisions included in Senate Bill 2A related to CitizenÂ’s Property Insurance Corporation flood insurance coverage requirements.
HB 881, signed by the Governor today, expands eligibility for the My Safe Florida Home Program, ensuring more Floridians can participate. The program was first included in Senate Bill 2D signed by the Governor last year, and upgrades funded through the program can result in premium discounts for program participants.

https://www.flgov.com/2023/05/31/governor-desantis-signs-consumer-protection-legislation-to-support-florida-policyholders-when-disaster-strikes/

I'm getting battered with wind and hail insurance. My premium just quadrupled for the same umbrella policy because insurances are pulling out of the NC coast. While I regretfully will absorb the hit after I do a bit more policy/plan searching, I feel for those retired here and/or on fixed incomes. NC needs to get it together...

[rmt]

I'm getting battered with wind and hail insurance. My premium just quadrupled for the same umbrella policy because insurances are pulling out of the NC coast. While I regretfully will absorb the hit after I do a bit more policy/plan searching, I feel for those retired here and/or on fixed incomes. NC needs to get it together...

Our state run Citizen was created because at one time so many private insurance companies pulled out. Now Citizen has us sign this agreement that if there are catastrophic losses in one area of the state, all the Citizen policy holders will share in paying. Things are better now - they just moved me out of Citizens to a private company. Maybe NC will create similar state run coverage.

Increasing (only) the wind storm deductible (mine is like $11k) helps to cut premium. So does having shutters or impact resistance windows. I suggest trimming back all trees close to house. And thankfully - hail, earthquakes, tornados, mudslides, etc are not a problem here - only hurricanes.

My son is moving to CA, and State Farm no longer offers home or renters' insurance there - I guess the wildfires, mud slides, whatever.

Hopefully, those retired have paid off mortgage and have the option to take their chances going without - that's what a lot of people in FL do.

[rmt]

Some companies (not Citizens) have the option to do without wind storm coverage (which is the major cost) and just cover fire and such.

[GimmeThat]

who's who for America was an epic fail in comparison to who's what for America

:violin:

[rawimpact]

Some companies (not Citizens) have the option to do without wind storm coverage (which is the major cost) and just cover fire and such.

I live on the water so wind and hail is required by the mortgage company despite being flood-zone X unfortunately. And yeah for me too wind and hail has completely surpassed home owners and taxes... just crazy.

My parents have a ranch in socal and yeah, exact thing happened to them. State farm cancelled and the ones that are still there have doubled in price.