(1) Celtics vs. (4) Cavs Second Round Playoff Series Thread

[Im Still Ballin]

(1) Boston vs. (4) Cleveland

• Game 1: Celtics 120, Cavaliers 95
• Game 2: Cavaliers 118, Celtics 94
• Game 3: Celtics 106, Cavaliers 93
• Game 4: Celtics 109, Cavaliers 102
• Game 5: Celtics 113, Cavaliers 98

Boston wins series 4-1

[Im Still Ballin]

4-1 bos.

[fsvr54]

4-0 sweep

Magic was a better team and choked

[Akeem34TheDream]

in 5

[Wally450]

I got Celtics unnecessarily in 6 games. They're going to mess around with their food and drop some games they shouldn't. Not having Porzingis will hurt them as well.

[Manny98]

Celtics without their best player, going to be a closer series than people are expecting, going to go Cavs in 7

[tpols]

Porzingis feels like a super X factor weapon as opposed to a key cog. Jrue / Brown / White / Tatum / Horford should be able to carry a big load. #nopetecarroll

[90sgoat]

What's up with Zingis?

Styles make fights but I was not impressed by Cavs at all. They might go out in a sweep.

4-0 Celtics.

[ArbitraryWater]

Celtics with a genuine free road to the final is CRAZY

[FultzNationRISE]

Celtics without their best player, going to be a closer series than people are expecting, going to go Cavs in 7

Im not sure the Celtics have a best player, and if they do it’s probably Derrick White.

That said, even without KP they have enough on paper to sweep the series. But this is where we’re gonna see if Tatum and Brown are gonna show up consistently and take care of business like theyre supposed to.

[j3lademaster]

Celtics without their best player, going to be a closer series than people are expecting, going to go Cavs in 7
Derrick White’s out?

[bison]

Celtics with a genuine free road to the final is CRAZY

You could even call it a LeCakewalk.

[bison]

I probably may not even catch a single game. Maybe a weekend one if I’m doing nothing. Donovan may catch fire for a game or two but outside that I don’t see where any of the scoring is gonna come from to keep Cleveland from getting swept. C’s in 5

[Hey Yo]

Celtics are the opposite of must see.


:sleeping

[FultzNationRISE]

Tatum needs to accept his role on this team as a 3&D guy

[bluechox2]

Celtics play generic

[j3lademaster]

Tatum needs to accept his role on this team as a 3&D guyplayoff Tatum’s not a thing.

[FultzNationRISE]

playoff Tatum’s not a thing.


Definitely not a thing.

[FultzNationRISE]

C’s would probably still sweep this series if Zingis AND Tatum were out.

I dont think theres ever been a team assembled like this, in terms of the amount of two-way depth.

[BarberSchool]

Can’t genuinely enjoy this series.

Feels like a time killer, while the league props up the KNICKS, and prepares that NYC vs BOSTON marketing.

[BarberSchool]

Celtics are the opposite of must see.


:sleepingWord.

Been saying Tatum is a predictable robot.
A really good predictable robot, but robot with a monorythm nonetheless.

[Proctor]

Finally a series I can mostly ignore.

I think even Magic/Cavs was more compelling

[tpols]

Celtics have easy mode til the Finals. Probably gonna be wolves Celtics.

[AlternativeAcc.]

lol @ Derrick White being a 20+ ppg guy in the playoffs and Tatum being third rung.

[j3lademaster]

Word.

Been saying Tatum is a predictable robot.
A really good predictable robot, but robot with a monorythm nonetheless.He’s a good rebounder and a decent defender. No craftiness to his game, whenever he tries to iso I kinda cringe. All his buckets came in the flow of the offense, if he cut out the isos he’d be an incredibly efficient 20/10

[j3lademaster]

lol @ Derrick White being a 20+ ppg guy in the playoffs and Tatum being third rung.
Shooting 58/48/90 at that

[FultzNationRISE]

Celtics have easy mode til the Finals. Probably gonna be wolves Celtics.

Knicks or Pacers is not gonna be easy tbh.

Celtics will be favored clearly but not likely to be an easy series IMO.

[FultzNationRISE]

Also every time they show Jarrett Allen I see:


https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0165/3366/products/GIL-SCOTT-HERON-BRIDGES-FRONT_1024x1024.jpg?v=1549550033

[RRR3]

Knicks or Pacers is not gonna be easy tbh.

Celtics will be favored clearly but not likely to be an easy series IMO.
Pacers would be an absurdly easy series for the Celtics with Haliburton at 50% still.

[Wally450]

Predictable game for the Celtics. Make Donovan Mitchell work for most of his points. He was gassed at the end of the third. Derrick White and Jaylen had amazing nights. Tatum should just focus on defense and get his offense within the flow of the game instead of isoing.

Celtics should handle this series easily, as long as they continue to knock down their 3s.

[coin24]

Is anyone watching this garbage series?

Two of the most boring teams in the east, this is worse than magic cavs..
Hope the Knicks make it through over these losers

[Mask the Embiid]

The Celtics have the easiest path I’ve ever seen to a conference finals. They are going to play the Knicks without Mitchell robinson, OG, and Julius randle in the conference finals…..let that sink in


They played vs the Cavs without their all star caliber center


The heat were missing like 5 players….this is disgusting. They are being gifted pretty much another trip to the finals for free. 3 byes

[HylianNightmare]

Is anyone watching this garbage series?

Two of the most boring teams in the east, this is worse than magic cavs..
Hope the Knicks make it through over these losers

Tuned in for the beginning of the game already scrolling IG. Boston gonna sweep

[Mask the Embiid]

This is the most fraudulent trip ever to the finals. This shit shouldn’t even count to his resume…specially if they lose in the finals the 1st time they play against real competition

[j3lademaster]

This is the most fraudulent trip ever to the finals. This shit shouldn’t even count to his resume…specially if they lose in the finals the 1st time they play against real competition
87 lakers by far. Played a 42 win team and two sub 500 teams. The east vs west disparity was pretty bad this year, but has nothing on the mid 80s.

[Manny98]

Hmmm what do we have here, Loston losing at home to the banged up Cavs??

[coin24]

The Celtics have the easiest path I’ve ever seen to a conference finals. They are going to play the Knicks without Mitchell robinson, OG, and Julius randle in the conference finals…..let that sink in


They played vs the Cavs without their all star caliber center


The heat were missing like 5 players….this is disgusting. They are being gifted pretty much another trip to the finals for free. 3 byes


Celtics will still lose in the finals:lol

Never underestimate the losing power of Loston

[Manny98]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExeTk5dDVkcnc0OWp4cXc0NXRuZm0xMjl kOTVld2s3ZWJ4YzN5bzFqdSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/YRuoGvW7p3skw/giphy.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

Is anyone watching this garbage series?

Two of the most boring teams in the east, this is worse than magic cavs..
Hope the Knicks make it through over these losers

Boston is such a boring team to watch.

[Manny98]

Tristan Thompson giving some really productive minutes off the bench :applause:

[Manny98]

Mitchell :bowdown::bowdown:

[L.Kizzle]

The Celtics have the easiest path I’ve ever seen to a conference finals. They are going to play the Knicks without Mitchell robinson, OG, and Julius randle in the conference finals…..let that sink in


They played vs the Cavs without their all star caliber center


The heat were missing like 5 players….this is disgusting. They are being gifted pretty much another trip to the finals for free. 3 byes

And they still don't look too dominant.

[Proctor]

Mitchell dominating. Trolls awfully quiet again! :roll:

[Manny98]

Mitchell is that guy

[RRR3]

Mitchell dominating. Trolls awfully quiet again! :roll:
A certain troll told me Garland was better :yaohappy:

[Manny98]

Playoff Mitchell is the best player left in the eastern conference

https://i.postimg.cc/tC9VWbvS/donovan-mitchell-joueur-de-basket.gif

[L.Kizzle]

Boston sucks.

[Proctor]

A certain troll told me Garland was better :yaohappy:
:roll:

[Axe]

Boston looking uninspired rn. Or is it intentional?

[brownmamba00]

All that depth dont mean crap when everybody tryna iso. Jrue holiday 2 pts:biggums:

[SATAN]

A certain troll told me Garland was better :yaohappy:

Tough time for the troll :facepalm

[bison]

Does anyone think this is any different than the Celtics dropping game 2 to the heat, in terms of series outcome?

[ArbitraryWater]

Does anyone think this is any different than the Celtics dropping game 2 to the heat, in terms of series outcome?

Why would you compare the Butler-less Heat to the Cavs?

[L.Kizzle]

All that depth dont mean crap when everybody tryna iso. Jrue holiday 2 pts:biggums:

Well, he only avg 8.

[j3lademaster]

Playoff Mitchell is the best player left in the eastern conference

https://i.postimg.cc/tC9VWbvS/donovan-mitchell-joueur-de-basket.gifover Brunson?

[Axe]

Tough time for the troll :facepalm
:milton

[Manny98]

Tatum really proving the doubters wrong this playoffs :lol
.

[Manny98]

over Brunson?
Yep Mitchell is THAT guy

[j3lademaster]

Tatum really proving the doubters wrong this playoffs :lol
.
C’s can win if Tatum has a bad game, but it’s a different story when White does, apparently. They go as far as Derrick White takes them, I guess. Never thought I’d be saying that right now.

[Overdrive]

This is the most fraudulent trip ever to the finals. This shit shouldn’t even count to his resume…specially if they lose in the finals the 1st time they play against real competition

What does this say about Embiid when he can't even make out of the 1st round in this east?

[Axe]

What does this say about Embiid when he can't even make out of the 1st round in this east?
Ether.

[Nb1]

What does this say about Embiid when he can't even make out of the 1st round in this east?

Celtics are a weird team. On paper they seem like they have it all, but every year they have these kind of games in the playoffs where you just can't trust them. This year they should at least go to the finals...

[GimmeThat]

the team with the upper hand generally don't know how to play with emotion. the team without it pretty much just leaves all the tricks on the floor, because clock management is out the window.

[Manny98]

My favorite highlight from last night's massacre


https://youtu.be/YMWhxxasH7Y?si=gYTWpaoC850tmFR8

Gave Tatum PTSD flashbacks from what LeBron did to him 6 years ago in the exact same Cavs jersey in the exact same spot as well:oldlol:


https://youtu.be/Il-YNB-IRTM?si=OOO5eIvuQPUoFE8i

[90sgoat]

Does anyone think this is any different than the Celtics dropping game 2 to the heat, in terms of series outcome?

Cavs have two competent big men, while Heat only had one who is really more of a power forward.

Boston need Porzingis back badly.

[Wally450]

Celtics are a weird team. On paper they seem like they have it all, but every year they have these kind of games in the playoffs where you just can't trust them. This year they should at least go to the finals...

They have a game like this every series for years. They always usually respond though. Can't keep doing that shit though.

[Wally450]

Just read a tweet that says Jayson Tatum is the Michael Jordan of Tobias Harris'.

:roll: :roll:

[SATAN]

That's pretty accurate lol

[brownmamba00]

If Cavs can take game 3 its on.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The biggest issue was the defense. Tatum White and others need to shoot better but Caris Levert looked like an allstar. Also Horford can hopefully manage to stop Mobley solo.

[FultzNationRISE]

Cavs arena playing O Fortuna in the pre game, damn.

Really buildin that tension.

[FultzNationRISE]

Every time the announcers reference "Kornet" it makes me picture:




https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/5e27e772a854780006af2a5a/Jim-Cornette-during-his-mid--90s-WWE-run-/960x0.jpg?format=jpg&width=960

[Street Hunger]

Great start by Jayson Tatum today.

[j3lademaster]

C’s have 2 travel calls so far. I thought the nba ignores travels now?

[L.Kizzle]

I haven't watched one Boston game this entire playoffs.

[FultzNationRISE]

Mitchell is a helluva scorer, gotta give him that.

[SATAN]

I haven't watched one Boston game this entire playoffs.

They are boring. it's hard to even explain. I'm looking every now and then but not interested. Looks like they are gonna win. Everybody assumed Boston was going to the finals anyway.

The BKFC event on right now is more entertaining.

[SATAN]

*It's Jason Tatum. I just don't want to watch him. Can't even explain it.

[Street Hunger]

Celtics lead Cavaliers 57-48 at halftime.

Tatum 18, Holiday 15, Brown 13, Hauser 6.

Mitchell 23 (6-8 on 3pt), Mobley 11, Garland 6.

[plowking]

Does anyone care about the Celtics?

They're so boring.

[SATAN]

Someone was yelling at Tatum telling him he'll never be Kobe. :lol

[bison]

Donovan has to put a 50 piece every game if they want even a chance to win any of these. All Celtics do is shoot 3s or spam layups. No strategy, but hey that’s what modern officiating for you.

[coin24]

I haven't watched one Boston game this entire playoffs.

It’s not just me then:lol

The Celtics are boring af

[beasted]

Max Strus has been trash this postseason. Same reason Miami let him go. Garland has been super "meh" as well.

There were certain trolls here trying to say he was as good or better than Mitchell. Mitchell has no help outside of Mobley in that starting lineup right now.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Mitchell is better than Garland but Harland is easier to fit into a team because he's a point guard while Mitchell is a 2 with the size of a pg. I would rather have Mitchell but that does matter a little.

Good to see White come alive in the second half after the tough start shooting. He's definitely the kind of "roleplayer" I could see hitting a game-winner this time of year.

Tatum just needs to continue to trust his teammates. Don't try to beat multiple defenders off the dribble or shoot the fadeaway if there's real time on the clock. He's got the best teammates around him off any superstar, the whole starting line-up could hit a shot with the game on the line really.

I think Horford may need a few days off. Not sure how that happens with Porzingis out unfortunately.

[Wally450]

Mitchell is better than Garland but Harland is easier to fit into a team because he's a point guard while Mitchell is a 2 with the size of a pg. I would rather have Mitchell but that does matter a little.

Good to see White come alive in the second half after the tough start shooting. He's definitely the kind of "roleplayer" I could see bottom ng a game-winner this took me of year.

Tatum just needs to continue to trust his teammates. Don't try to beat multiple defenders off the dribble or shoot the fadeaway if there's real time on the clock. He's got the best teammates around him off any superstar, the whole starting line-up could hit a shoot with the game on the line really.

I think Horford may need a few days off. Not sure how that happens with Porzingis out unfortunately.

Gotta finish this series early and hope the Pacers Knicks go 7.

[j3lademaster]

*It's Jason Tatum. I just don't want to watch him. Can't even explain it.Because his teammates would be cooking while he’s like 1-7 so far for the half and instead of playing within the flow of the offense or getting the ball to the hot hand and spacing for him he insists on iso sizeup hesi stepback 3’s and stagnating their offense. It’s crazy cringe. C’s are so much better than the Heat and Cavs they get away with it, but if they want to win against a west team they need to fix that, or Tatum needs to be Devin Booker against Denver 2023 hot for an entire series.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Because his teammates would be cooking while he’s like 1-7 so far for the half and instead of playing within the flow of the offense or getting the ball to the hot hand and spacing for him he insists on iso sizeup hesi stepback 3’s and stagnating their offense. It’s crazy cringe. C’s are so much better than the Heat and Cavs they get away with it, but if they want to win against a west team they need to fix that, or Tatum needs to be Devin Booker against Denver 2023 hot for an entire series.
He's also averaging 10 rebounds and 5.5 assists in the playoffs. He does pass and he is a strong contributor in every facet of the game. He's been guilty of some bad shot selection but he's still a massive positive overall.

[CurryOverLebron]

On this day one year ago: Jayson Tatum dropped a record 51 points on the Philadelphia 76ers in a game 7 on Mother’s Day


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5C9Wf5-d4

[SATAN]

747 days ago: Jason Tatum texted the deceased Kobe Bryant's phone number saying "I got you today" then posted a screen shot on Instagram.

[Hey Yo]

Mitchell out ruled out tonight.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-cavs-all-star-donovan-mitchell-to-miss-game-4-vs-celtics-220513681.html

[Mask the Embiid]

No doubt in my mind that if the Celtics make the Finals. ant,jokic,Luka, or shai is going down with a catastrophic injury at some point during the Finals….

[Real Men Wear Green]

Mitchell out ruled out tonight.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-cavs-all-star-donovan-mitchell-to-miss-game-4-vs-celtics-220513681.html
I'm kind of worried the Celtics lose. Like when they got beat by the starless Lakers. A surprising number of the losses were to teams that had nothing on paper so just went out and shot 50 threes.

[90sgoat]

Wow Tristan Thompson still playing.

[90sgoat]

Garland plays with a lot of fight.

[90sgoat]

Whoever comes out of the West has to like their chances against the Porzingis less Celtics.

Not looking very impressive. Predictable and lacking creativity.

[Mask the Embiid]

Al Horford is finally washed…. It’s about damn time.

[j3lademaster]

What happened to Derrick White? He went from their best player to utter trash the past ~3 games. Brown’s been their Mr reliable so far, unstoppable at the rim and midrange.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Payton Pritchard is Phoenix Suns Steve Nash... the first run, not the second. He will be a star it just might not be in Boston. But he can fully do everything you expect your point guard to do at a high level.

[beasted]

Mitchell is better than Garland but Harland is easier to fit into a team because he's a point guard.



It's not easier to build around a guy who cannot consistently take over the game with his scoring NOR passing NOR defense NOR shooting.

I'd rather a team of 5 specialists who each excel at least at one thing at a "Great" level over a guy who is "average to above average" at everything.

[FultzNationRISE]

Whoever comes out of the West has to like their chances against the Porzingis less Celtics.

Not looking very impressive. Predictable and lacking creativity.

Well for one thing, it sounds like Porzingis would likely be back by the time the Celtics reach the finals.

Secondly I'm not sure it matters. KP gives them another shooting dimension which is nice, but shooting isnt their issue. They lack toughness. They lack physicality. They're not bullies. KP doesnt really solve those issues.

Maybe they'll still be hot enough from outside the arc at the right times to win a championship. It's certainly possible. But I think the edge teams like Denver, Minnesota, Dallas would have against them isnt going away whether Zangis Pangis is in the lineup or not.

[beasted]

Payton Pritchard is Phoenix Suns Steve Nash... the first run, not the second. He will be a star it just might not be in Boston. But he can fully do everything you expect your point guard to do at a high level.

Homer take.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's not easier to build around a guy who cannot consistently take over the game with his scoring NOR passing NOR defense NOR shooting.

I'd rather a team of 5 specialists who each excel at least at one thing at a "Great" level over a guy who is "average to above average" at everything.
I said "fit in." You said "build around. " Garland is obviously not a franchise player.
Homer take.I am a fan. Doesn't mean what I wrote is untrue. Prichard is an excellent shooter, a good ballhandler and a good passer. Rarely makes mistakes, a better than 4:1 assist to turnover ratio.

[beasted]

I said "fit in." You said "build around. " Garland is obviously not a franchise player.I am a fan. Doesn't mean what I wrote is untrue. Prichard is an excellent shooter, a good ballhandler and a good passer. Rarely makes mistakes, a better than 4:1 assist to turnover ratio.

There's no fitting in with a max contract. That's such an insane take. You need to be standing out on a max, and be a key franchise cornerstone to build around

RE: Prichard, I looked at his splits, and you might be on to something that he's underused. But we said the same thing about Gortat and Milsap until they were handed a large role on a team and settled into slightly above average players, not even stars.

[Wally450]

What a bogus foul call on Garland.

[beasted]

What a bogus foul call on Garland.

That's BS that they needed a challenge to overturn

[Axe]

Given the circumstances, this should be a blowout win for the Cs. Yet somehow it isn't. Are they treating this like some random RS game? Because it feels so...

[Real Men Wear Green]

There's no fitting in with a max contract. That's such an insane take. You need to be standing out on a max, and be a key franchise cornerstone to build around I'm just talking about them as players, not how much money they're making.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Given the circumstances, this should be a blowout win for the Cs somehow. Yet somehow it isn't. Are they treating this like a RS game?
Cleveland is playing hard. Playing with desperation they've put up a fight. For the Celtics the only important thing is that they get the win.

[fourkicks44]

Do the Cavs regret tanking the last game of the season now?

[beasted]

I'm just talking about them as players, not how much money they're making.

If it meant they could retain Mitchell, Garland would be gone in a flash. There are many passing type 6'4"+ guards.

Talent > Fit.

[Wally450]

Tatum with 33/11/5. Similar numbers to game 3, but no one will make a peep.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If it meant they could retain Mitchell, Garland would be gone in a flash. There are many passing type 6'4"+ guards.

Talent > Fit.
I said I'd rather have Mitchell but fit does matter. A tab with scorers is likely better off with a point guard than another scorer and a small sg can get taken advantage of defensively. But Mitchell has a history of being a lot better in the playoffs and you can base the offense on him.

[beasted]

I said I'd rather have Mitchell but fit does matter. A tab with scorers is likely better off with a point guard than another scorer and a small sg can get taken advantage of defensively. But Mitchell has a history of being a lot better in the playoffs and you can base the offense on him.

The last time a traditional PG with a team of scorers won a title was when?

Toronto? Before that, Mavs? I wouldn't prioritize any strategy around a game manager PG because it's rarely-winning strategy.

[j3lademaster]

The last time a traditional PG with a team of scorers won a title was when?

Toronto? Before that, Mavs? I wouldn't prioritize any strategy around a game manager PG because it's rarely-winning strategy.
2020 Lebron. Can make an argument for Jrue. Draymond and Jokic were the game managers for their respective title teams.

[Mask the Embiid]

Tatum with 33/11/5. Similar numbers to game 3, but no one will make a peep.

He's doing it vs a team missing their 2 best players....its like what is wrong with you people.....why do yall just act like injuries arent a thing....youre not getting praised for beating teams missing 6 players every round....you sacks of ****.



you're never gonna hear a peep! the hell is wrong with you? You damn right you not hearing a peep....and you wont hear a peep again when u play the knicks missing 8 players....you will neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr hear a peep for this run @ all


i bet you would be beating your chest right now if this was the Lillardless/ giannisless bucks too....you are a real sicko bro

[Axe]

Cleveland is playing hard. Playing with desperation they've put up a fight. For the Celtics the only important thing is that they get the win.
Well i do hope they don't falter once the intensity gets high. With or without kp, i think they're not playing in their full strength yet. Apparently he needs to come back too for them to do so.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The last time a traditional PG with a team of scorers won a title was when?Jrue Holiday helped Milwaukee win a ring just 2 or 3 years ago. It's not that rare.


Toronto? Before that, Mavs? I wouldn't prioritize any strategy around a game manager PG because it's rarely-winning strategy.How often does a team win a championship with a pg-size two as their main scorer? It's pretty close to never. Championship is a tough standard and it's not relevant when we're talking about two players that would never be the best player on a contender.

[j3lademaster]

Tatum with 33/11/5. Similar numbers to game 3, but no one will make a peep.Nice game, but nothing to write home about for a player of his caliber against Mitchell-less Cavs. Just like in game 3, he started very efficiently and ended the game 11-25. Nothing drives me crazier than when a player takes the ball up the court and shoots without one teammate touching the ball(with very rare exceptions), it stagnates the offense so badly.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Well i do hope they don't falter once the intensity gets high. With or without kp, i think they're not playing in their full strength yet. Apparently he needs to come back too for them to do so. Cleveland brought intensity to this game. What they lack is talent. This was actually one of the few games where the Celtics trailed in the second half, found themselves challenged and handled it successfully. That isn't because they're chokers it's because they have been killing teams so regularly that they had grown unaccustomed to having to fight for a win. I'm not sure the Celtics have two game-winning shots. This game may well have been good for them in that regard.

[beasted]

Jrue Holiday helped Milwaukee win a ring just 2 or 3 years ago. It's not that rare.

How often does a team win a championship with a pg-size two as their main scorer? It's pretty close to never. Championship is a tough standard and it's not relevant when we're talking about two players that would never be the best player on a contender.

I would not call Jrue a game manager type PG. He plays too much time off the ball and as SG. He barely initiates the pick and roll.

In recent times scoring PGs have had much more success.

[Airupthere]

Credit to Tatum, he's been playing with more intensity and consistency, not settling for the step back 3s, using his size more and being more dynamic on offense.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I would not call Jrue a game manager type PG. He plays too much time off the ball and as SG. He barely initiates the pick and roll.

In recent times scoring PGs have had much more success.
How is Garland a game manager of Holiday is not? Garland scores more points, takes more shots.

[beasted]

How is Garland a game manager of Holiday is not? Garland scores more points, takes more shots.
To be honest I don't think he actually is. I think Garland is a low- scoring scoring PG, but you seemed to be alluding to him being closer to a traditional game manager PG because you say he's easier is easier to build around since he's not as trigger happy as Mitchell. That's why I classified him as that type for the sake of the debate around fitting a team around a game manager.

Long and short of it is, whatever you classify Mitchell or Garland as, Mitchell is the easier of the two to build around, and fit is irrelevant in my book. Finding elite scorers is hard and expensive. Finding guys who can pass a little and have enough size to defend either guard positions is relatively easy. Finding a back-court partner for a combo guard 6'3" Mitchell isn't as difficult as you've alluded to.

Once you actually account for Garland earning the max, it just becomes a no-brainer.

[Real Men Wear Green]

To be honest I don't think he actually is. I think Garland is a low- scoring scoring PG, but you seemed to be alluding to him being closer to a traditional game manager PG because you say he's easier is easier to build around since he's not as trigger happy as Mitchell. That's why I classified him as that type for the sake of the debate around fitting a team around a game manager.

Long and short of it is, whatever you classify Mitchell or Garland as, Mitchell is the easier of the two to build around, and fit is irrelevant in my book. Finding elite scorers is hard and expensive. Finding guys who can pass a little and have enough size to defend either guard positions is relatively easy. Finding a back-court partner for a combo guard 6'3" Mitchell isn't as difficult as you've alluded to.

Once you actually account for Garland earning the max, it just becomes a no-brainer. Again I said "fit in" not"build around." Because Garland has typical size for his position you don't have to make adjustments to cover up for him being undersized most of the time. Imagine if the Celtics were making adjustments and decided to go big, sliding Jaylen Brown over to SG. One of Brown's favorite sites is to rise up over the defender from just inside the paint for an easy (for him) jumper. Can Mitchell deal with his size? No. Any team that builds around Mitchell is accepting a flaw in their defense for the sake of what he does as a scorer. No I have said that O would rather have Mitchell, he's worth it and I think a he gets older he may play point guard a lurks more. But if you have a big scoring two you can have a field day at his expense.

[90sgoat]

These Cavs are playing much better this series than against Orlando right?

[beasted]

Again I said "fit in" not"build around." Because Garland has typical size for his position you don't have to make adjustments to cover up for him being undersized most of the time. Imagine if the Celtics were making adjustments and decided to go big, sliding Jaylen Brown over to SG. One of Brown's favorite sites is to rise up over the defender from just inside the paint for an easy (for him) jumper. Can Mitchell deal with his size? No. Any team that builds around Mitchell is accepting a flaw in their defense for the sake of what he does as a scorer. No I have said that O would rather have Mitchell, he's worth it and I think a he gets older he may play point guard a lurks more. But if you have a big scoring two you can have a field day at his expense.

I think the disconnect here for me is that I don't understand your argument from the perspective that I see Mitchell as much more capable as a PG if his back court mate' height is an issue. You're speaking of Mitchell as though he's a Cam Thomas type player that is 6'3" and has no play making skills.

For me, the best position is Mitchell at PG and a ball handling combo SG with sufficient height to defend either guard position.

Through that lens it makes Mitchell the better fit everywhere, because it's fairly easy to find SGs of the type I'm describing.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Mitchell night be able to play point guard but he's always started alongside a point guard, a history that includes two different franchises. It's his coaches that have decided he's a 2.

[Wally450]

Mitchell not expected to play tonight in G5. Celtics need to close this out and not mess around having to go back to Cleveland.

[beasted]

Mitchell night be able to play point guard but he's always started alongside a point guard, a history that includes two different franchises. It's his coaches that have decided he's a 2.

But again, if I need a tall "PG", those are relatively easy to find. I'd rather a 6'3" SG and 6'4"+ PG than a 6'1" PG AND A 6'4" SG. Fitting is no more difficult because having a PG as small as 6'1" without much bulk brings its own challenges on switches.

[FultzNationRISE]

Niang is legitimately obese :roll:

[SATAN]

That wasn't worth a tech call.

[Wally450]

That wasn't worth a tech call.

Most emotion Tatum has shown all postseason lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

But again, if I need a tall "PG", those are relatively easy to find. I'd rather a 6'3" SG and 6'4"+ PG than a 6'1" PG AND A 6'4" SG. Fitting is no more difficult because having a PG as small as 6'1" without much bulk brings its own challenges on switches.
There aren't many 6'5+ good point guards, actually. Guys that big are far more likely to develop as 2s.

[Axe]

Without mitchell, this series has become unwatchable imo. But i do hope the Cs will be more dominant in the coming rounds than their 60-win season would suggest.

[NBAGOAT]

maybe its deserved because last few runs have been brutal for celtics but this run has been too easy. I barely been watching their games ik each series is going 5 max. the Knicks who can barely field a starting lineup or pacers with injured haliburton arent giving me hope either

[Wally450]

Wish we got a healthy Cavs team to give us a little bit of a tougher round. If we play the Knicks, they aren't anywhere near healthy either. Finals for bust for this Celtics team. Hopefully Porzingis coming back won't mess with the flow of this team right now. I know he struggled a bit against Miami.

[Manny98]

Easiest path to the finals ever, beating a bunch of cripples

They're going to get smacked up by whoever comes out of the West

[Real Men Wear Green]

"Cavs in 7."

[coin24]

What a dog shit series..

Pathetic

[Patrick Chewing]

Did the Celtics win? They're literally the most boring team to watch.

[beasted]

Celtics beat up on two teams missing multiple starters so far.

[Hey Yo]

Celtics are the opposite of must see.


:sleeping

Yep yep... 14th post in this thread ^^^^

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tatum was playing center. (https://www.celticsblog.com/2024/5/15/24156681/beast-of-burden-jayson-tatum-has-taken-on-larger-defensive-responsibility-bam-adebayo-evan-mobley)

He did not shut down Mobley but did do his job, which was to fight the mismatch hard enough for the Celtics to still be able to win by outplaying Cleveland in other areas. LeBron James and Kevin Durant are the only other wings I could see taking on a center that can score. And he was also protecting the rim in Porzingis absence, which is why he was blocking shots and rebounding at a higher rate than the regular season. It isn't always going to be ideal (you would rather he have a wing that he can shut down than Mobley who you just hope gets kept under 50) but that kind of versatility is rare and useful.

[tpols]

What a dog shit series..

Pathetic

:lol

Boston almost has a free path to the title this year. Whoever comes out the west is gonna be beat the **** up. Meanwhile they're fully rested.

[coin24]

:lol

Boston almost has a free path to the title this year. Whoever comes out the west is gonna be beat the **** up. Meanwhile they're fully rested.


Probably the easiest path to the finals ever..:facepalm