Unlike Pippen, KAT was All-NBA without winning any titles first - stat comparison

[3ba11]

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It was KAT's team through the 2022 season - he laid the T'Wolves foundation and kept them afloat by producing at a higher rate than prime Pippen:



17-22' KAT (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/townska01.html#2016-2022-sum:advanced)............... 24.7 PER... 4.8 BPM..... 0.193 WS/48.... 24.2.. 11.3.. 3.3.. 0.8.. 1.3.. 62.4 TS
91-98' Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1998-sum:advanced)'.......... 21.2 PER... 6.0 BPM..... 0.185 WS/48.... 20.0.... 6.5.. 6.0.. 2.2.. 0.9.. 54.6 TS



Since it wasn't Ant's team until 2 years ago, he's had far more help and therefore needed less personal dominance/production rate to win 55 games than MJ needed:



90-93' Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1990-1993-sum:advanced).......... 30.1 PER... 11.1 BPM... 0.287 WS/48.... 31.9.. 6.5.... 5.9.. 2.6.. 0.8.. 58.8 TS
2024 Edwards (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/edwaran01.html)'......... 19.7 PER'.... 3.3 BPM... 0.130 WS/48.... 25.9.. 5.4.... 5.1.. 1.3.. 0.5.. 57.5 TS


22-year Jordan also had far better stats, or if you prefer to compare their 4th seasons, that would be comparing Ant to Jordan's peak season of 35/6/6 and DPOY (50 wins with no help or coaching) - people don't realize that the Bulls' cast was never that good just like the Nuggets' or Bucks' cast turned out to not be that good for Jokic and Giannis - the difference is that MJ was able to win 6 chips with these "normal" teams of 1 franchise player, due to goat offensive production rate and goat defense simultaneously, while developing goat chemistry... And goat clutch to win all the close games

[3ba11]

having a "real" all-nba teammate like KAT and also the goat defender in Gobert - that's obviously more help than MJ 3-peated with

[Kblaze8855]

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[SouBeachTalents]

In honor of your post in the other thread, a couple of my favorite scenes from Menace


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3U5ed3dRAE&ab_channel=Movieclips


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPtAocA3m2Y&ab_channel=Movieclips


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPRaOXb_0vQ&ab_channel=PhuckYiu

[Carbine]

He's averaging 32/7/6 on efficiency never seen for a playoff 30ppg scorer or above while playing two way basketball.

If he does 30/6/6 to a title with 65 ts% with the two way game he provides it will be as close to an MJ run as we've ever seen. You should be appreciating it, applauding it because he doesn't dribble the shit out of the ball (one of your pet peeves) or reduce the roles of other stars to spot up shooters, things you criticize Lebron for to a mind numbing degree.

[Kblaze8855]

In honor of your post in the other thread, a couple of my favorite scenes from Menace


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3U5ed3dRAE&ab_channel=Movieclips


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPtAocA3m2Y&ab_channel=Movieclips


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPRaOXb_0vQ&ab_channel=PhuckYiu


my group chat finds a reason to reference the church scene at least two or three times a year. GOAT shit eating grin.

[SouBeachTalents]

my group chat finds a reason to reference the church scene at least two or three times a year. GOAT shit eating grin.
Why come the paster have to have him a nice house.

[Kblaze8855]

Don’t aaaaaassskkk….no questions.

[3ba11]

He's averaging 32/7/6 on efficiency never seen for a playoff 30ppg scorer or above while playing two way basketball.

If he does 30/6/6 to a title with 65 ts% with the two way game he provides it will be as close to an MJ run as we've ever seen. You should be appreciating it, applauding it because he doesn't dribble the shit out of the ball (one of your pet peeves) or reduce the roles of other stars to spot up shooters, things you criticize Lebron for to a mind numbing degree.


Ant isn't doing that with an 8 ppg sidekick and no cast - he has a developed team that includes the GOAT defender and an all-nba teammate that outproduces prime Pippen - mj would 3-peat with that kind of help, so when Ant falls short, he'll be just another guy that couldn't match MJ



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If Ant and MJ were just skeletons, MJ's would be a lot bigger - longer arms, legs, hands and broader shoulders of a 6'6" guy - a bigger bone structure that would be evident if they stood next to each other..

MJ is more developed and defined in the neck and shoulders - and you don't need as much muscle if you have BETTER muscle:

[warriorfan]

edwards is a next wade not a next jordan

he’s looking like he’s gonna put together a 06 style run

[PeroAntic]

Imagine a player arrives that looks just like your all time favorite player in everything from body to game to mentality, and instead of enjoying it you come to a board all riled up and write all kinds of bullshit about why he isn't as good as your favorite player.

op, buddy... you belong in an institution. Its a failure of society that you are walking around without professional supervision.

[WhiteKyrie]

Bro Michael is the greatest of all time, but what are you doing?

You do this with every player that’s on the come up. It’s actually pathetic. Chill out, enjoy basketball. If you liked Michael and liked Kobe, you should be liking Anthony Edwards. Clearly you don’t watch. The comparison shit is robbing you of your sanity and joy. The guy is 22 years old and is visibly the best player on both sides of the ball in the entire league. He’s three years younger than SGA and Tatum and Doncic. We need this for the league. We need this as Americans. You should want him to be the best player in the sport. Validating him, validates, Michael and Kobe. What he’s doing to the Denver Nuggets, LeBron got his shit pushed in in two borderline sweeps, two years in a row. What the Timberwolves did last game is reminiscing of what either of the three peat Bulls teams Would do to this competition in this league defensively.

And I’m gonna say this about Ant, he’s already a better leader than Michael. He’s a Leo, so it comes to him naturally by nature. And by nature, his troops naturally want to follow his lead. Also, being a Leo, he’s tremendously charismatic, and funny. And also being a Leo, he naturally is a competitor, which the game hasn’t seen since Kobe retired and Derrick Rose blew his knee out, none of this I want to team up with other great player bullshit. He wants to peel their muffin cap back. That’s a throwback, you should like that, he literally talked the talk and walked the walk while cucking his favorite player in KD a top fifteen player ever … And prior to his assent, dog walked the next two best players at his position in Booker and Bradley Beal. And also being a Leo, he performs at his highest under pressure, and when the lights are brightest.

Anthony Edwards is the real deal bro. You would’ve known this if you watched team USA this past summer where at 21 originally supposed to come off the bench, he single-handedly won them games they should’ve lost.

[Phoenix]

edwards is a next wade not a next jordan

he’s looking like he’s gonna put together a 06 style run

That's realistically the best comparison for him right now. Enough with the Jordan talk, not that we won't get 100 threads over the next few months from the OP shitting on Ant and we'll all pretend he's not a plant.

[WhiteKyrie]

That's realistically the best comparison for him right now. Enough with the Jordan talk, not that we won't get 100 threads over the next few months from the OP shitting on Ant and we'll all pretend he's not a plant.

No, Anthony Edwards game is actually much more like Michael Jordan than Dwyane Wade. And he plays better on ball tenacious defense than Dwyane Wade. Dwyane Wade was a great rotation defender and shot blocker. Which was just a few aspects of Michael Jordan‘s defense. But the post game and the footwork, and the jumper and the athleticism at the rim, The ability to elevate in the pressure, packed moments, even the ability to double clutch shots with hang time in the air it is much more reminiscent of Michael Jordan than even Dwyane Wade.

[Bawkish]

Bro Michael is the greatest of all time, but what are you doing?

You do this with every player that’s on the come up. It’s actually pathetic. Chill out, enjoy basketball. If you liked Michael and liked Kobe, you should be liking Anthony Edwards. Clearly you don’t watch. The comparison shit is robbing you of your sanity and joy. The guy is 22 years old and is visibly the best player on both sides of the ball in the entire league. He’s three years younger than SGA and Tatum and Doncic. We need this for the league. We need this as Americans. You should want him to be the best player in the sport. Validating him, validates, Michael and Kobe. What he’s doing to the Denver Nuggets, LeBron got his shit pushed in in two borderline sweeps, two years in a row. What the Timberwolves did last game is reminiscing of what either of the three peat Bulls teams Would do to this competition in this league defensively.

And I’m gonna say this about Ant, he’s already a better leader than Michael. He’s a Leo, so it comes to him naturally by nature. And by nature, his troops naturally want to follow his lead. Also, being a Leo, he’s tremendously charismatic, and funny. And also being a Leo, he naturally is a competitor, which the game hasn’t seen since Kobe retired and Derrick Rose blew his knee out, none of this I want to team up with other great player bullshit. He wants to peel their muffin cap back. That’s a throwback, you should like that, he literally talked the talk and walked the walk while cucking his favorite player in KD a top fifteen player ever … And prior to his assent, dog walked the next two best players at his position in Booker and Bradley Beal. And also being a Leo, he performs at his highest under pressure, and when the lights are brightest.

Anthony Edwards is the real deal bro. You would’ve known this if you watched team USA this past summer where at 21 originally supposed to come off the bench, he single-handedly won them games they should’ve lost.

You had me at the 1st half NGL

You gave this articulate comparison between the 3 in the 1st paragraph then ruined it with your 2nd paragraph zodiac/horoscope bullsh*t

[NBAGOAT]

Afloat is certainly one way to describe the wolves from 17-22. I really like kat and he’s been the best player for 1st 2 games but let’s not overrate him. He’s actually someone it’s proven can’t be a 1st option on a title contender, jist a borderline all-nba player top 20 ish in the league

[Phoenix]

No, Anthony Edwards game is actually much more like Michael Jordan than Dwyane Wade. And he plays better on ball tenacious defense than Dwyane Wade. Dwyane Wade was a great rotation defender and shot blocker. Which was just a few aspects of Michael Jordan‘s defense. But the post game and the footwork, and the jumper and the athleticism at the rim, The ability to elevate in the pressure, packed moments, even the ability to double clutch shots with hang time in the air it is much more reminiscent of Michael Jordan than even Dwyane Wade.

I meant the level he's currently at, not the tendencies/attributes aspect. I think it's fairer to compare Ant to like 06 Wade than it is to compare to Jordan( unless you're talking about like 87 MJ or something). When people start throwing out names we need to be clear which version of the player, and where that player was in their career. But yes, those aspects of Ants game you specify harken back to MJ.

[Carbine]

Afloat is certainly one way to describe the wolves from 17-22. I really like kat and he’s been the best player for 1st 2 games but let’s not overrate him. He’s actually someone it’s proven can’t be a 1st option on a title contender, jist a borderline all-nba player top 20 ish in the league

He has been the best player for the 1st two games of what? This series? Stop it.

Kat is averaging 23.5/8/2 on terrific efficiency.

Edwards is 35/5/5 on terrific efficiency. That ain't close.

[GimmeThat]

anytime you make an argument that Kareem >>>>>>> Magic Johnson, you're gonna win.

[NBAGOAT]

He has been the best player for the 1st two games of what? This series? Stop it.

Kat is averaging 23.5/8/2 on terrific efficiency.

Edwards is 35/5/5 on terrific efficiency. That ain't close.

Oh ik it’s unpopular opinion but I think his defense has been more important. At least game 2 he was better player imo

[WhiteKyrie]

I meant the level he's currently at, not the tendencies/attributes aspect. I think it's fairer to compare Ant to like 06 Wade than it is to compare to Jordan( unless you're talking about like 87 MJ or something). When people start throwing out names we need to be clear which version of the player, and where that player was in their career. But yes, those aspects of Ants game you specify harken back to MJ.

That I agree with. But play style? Book is Kobe and Ant is MJ.

[GimmeThat]

Ant is MJ.

the problem I have with this statement, is that MJ would make you look retarded for not putting shooters around him.

[FireDavidKahn]

:roll:

Hell naw.

Y'all called KAT an empty stat loser who could never contribute to winning.

Don't switch up now