Anthony Edwards clearly needs another star teammate - who would be best for him

[3ba11]

Should we team him up with Luka? How about SGA, who apparently needs more help too??

All these simpleton, downhill players foster weak chemistry so their casts don't play great - they don't know how to elevate teammates and chemistry, so they need more help - they're bad at chemistry, so they must become talent-based winners (colluders, all-star team strategy).

Today's players lack fundamentals such as playing off teammates (off-ball) and 5-man basketball, which opens up the strategic capacity and chemistry of the team

[SouBeachTalents]

You have autism

[Wally450]

How would OP know Ant needs help when he doesn't watch?

[3ba11]

How would OP know Ant needs help when he doesn't watch?


His time of possession (hold-time) in these playoffs is 7.6 minutes - that's more than SGA, and all ball-dominators are losers that need ridiculous help - the historical record confirms this

SGA and Edwards won't win another game in these playoffs because their simpleton, down-hill brand has been solved... This is similar to Lebron who lost 3 straight games to lose every playoff series loss that he ever lost (nearly every one) - teams figure out down-hill players and then can't lose

If course the point is that Ant has a stacked team that would EASILY win the title if he knew how to elevate teammates by fostering great chemistry like MJ did.. The reason Ant is going to lose is due to inferior chemistry, not inferior help... everyone said the Wolves were "too much" for the Nuggets after 2 games
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[plowking]

You don't know shit OP.

Arbitrarily picking random stats from players and discrediting them as a whole is retarded.

[GimmeThat]

His time of possession (hold-time )in these playoffs is 7.6 minutes - that's more than SGA, and all ball-dominators are losers that need ridiculous help - the historical record confirms this

SGA and Edwards won't win another game in these playoffs because their simpleton, down-hill brand has been solved... This is similar to Lebron who lost 3 straight games to lose every playoff series loss that he ever lost (nearly every one) - teams figure out down-hill players and then can't lose

you do know they traded Rudy for Wemby already

[GimmeThat]

You don't know shit OP.


they just light shit up with fire using smoke. gotta butt plug the guy eating ashtrays or smoking tea leafs for weed.

[hold this L]

Why does this dumbass keep making topics about players in todays' age when he's mentioned several times he doesn't watch basketball? In a respectable forum, he would have already lost his privileges when it comes to making topics.

[Hey Yo]

His time of possession (hold-time) in these playoffs is 7.6 minutes - that's more than SGA, and all ball-dominators are losers that need ridiculous help - the historical record confirms this

SGA and Edwards won't win another game in these playoffs because their simpleton, down-hill brand has been solved... This is similar to Lebron who lost 3 straight games to lose every playoff series loss that he ever lost (nearly every one) - teams figure out down-hill players and then can't lose

If course the point is that Ant has a stacked team that would EASILY win the title if he knew how to elevate teammates by fostering great chemistry like MJ did.. The reason Ant is going to lose is due to inferior chemistry, not inferior help... everyone said the Wolves were "too much" for the Nuggets after 2 games
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Fake, made up stat as usual.... nothing to see here.

[GimmeThat]

Why does this dumbass keep making topics about players in todays' age when he's mentioned several times he doesn't watch basketball? In a respectable forum, he would have already lost his privileges when it comes to making topics.

there was a time, the argument went "well, as long as he's not a homo"

[3ba11]

Fake, made up stat as usual.... nothing to see here.



https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-13-2024/Nqra9g.gif

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches?SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=D&sort=TIME_OF_POSS


After 2 games, the Wolves were "too much" for the Nuggets... But now that the Nuggets solved Ant-ball, so it's over.. Neither Ant nor SGA will win another game in these playoffs.. This is just like Lebron losing the last 3 games of basically every playoff series that he lost - teams figure out bron-ball and can't lose thereafter.

[BarberSchool]

You have autism
In his defense, many of his observations are rooted well, with a fair view of the game, and the game’s history.
But the tism takes the wheel, and takes a confusing scenic route.

I gotta say, I agree with a large majority of 3ball’s core assertions.
His heart is for sure in the right place.

[GimmeThat]

His heart is for sure in the right place.

just not his veins

[BarberSchool]

The level of lovable strange-humor, and wild neurodivergence in this thread is MF FANTASTIC.
How can you not love these niccas ?
Now we need Fultz in here, in full character, painting a LeBron & Ant canteen boy scene, and the circle of madness will be complete !

[GimmeThat]

Now we need Fultz in here, in full character, painting a LeBron & Ant canteen boy scene, and the circle of madness will be complete !

like in Pacific Rim where 2 pilots start drifting together

[BarberSchool]

like in Pacific Rim where 2 pilots start drifting together

https://c.tenor.com/wGHKJpKGW24AAAAC/nodding-head-nodding.gif

[j3lademaster]

His time of possession (hold-time) in these playoffs is 7.6 minutes - that's more than SGA, and all ball-dominators are losers that need ridiculous help - the historical record confirms this

SGA and Edwards won't win another game in these playoffs because their simpleton, down-hill brand has been solved... This is similar to Lebron who lost 3 straight games to lose every playoff series loss that he ever lost (nearly every one) - teams figure out down-hill players and then can't lose

If course the point is that Ant has a stacked team that would EASILY win the title if he knew how to elevate teammates by fostering great chemistry like MJ did.. The reason Ant is going to lose is due to inferior chemistry, not inferior help... everyone said the Wolves were "too much" for the Nuggets after 2 games
.Average sec per touch is a lot more telling of ball dominance, but a 32 ppg scorer is going to have high time of possession, usage etc regardless.

[3ba11]

Average sec per touch is a lot more telling of ball dominance, but a 32 ppg scorer is going to have high time of possession, usage etc regardless.


Nonsense... usage measures shot attempts, while time of possession measures hold-time.. So Klay can have high usage (shot attempts) but low time of possession (hold-time).

True off-guards like MJ have low time of possession (low hold-time) but high usage (high shot attempts).. People simply conflate usage (shot attempts) and ball-dominance (hold-time), but they aren't the same obviously.

Ant is a ball-dominant, down-hill player - down-hill players seek layups or threes and have very limited shot diversity compared to MJ or Jokic, who score in unlimited ways... This makes it harder for defenses to adjust and also this diversity fits with all teammates and fosters great chemistry.

[GimmeThat]

Ant is a ball-dominant, down-hill player - down-hill players seek layups or threes and have very limited shot diversity compared to MJ or Jokic, who score in unlimited ways... This makes it harder for defenses to adjust and also this diversity fits with all teammates and fosters great chemistry.

in your world, screen assists results in turnover because all the other males play off of the primary scorers are beta or females, you can't imagine all the other male players being considered as alpha as well.

so you cannibal little kids, aka the G-league

[j3lademaster]

Nonsense... usage measures shot attempts, while time of possession measures hold-time.. So Klay can have high usage (shot attempts) but low time of possession (hold-time).

True off-guards like MJ have low time of possession (low hold-time) but high usage (high shot attempts).. People simply conflate usage (shot attempts) and ball-dominance (hold-time), but they aren't the same obviously.

Ant is a ball-dominant, down-hill player - down-hill players seek layups or threes and have very limited shot diversity compared to MJ or Jokic, who score in unlimited ways... This makes it harder for defenses to adjust and also this diversity fits with all teammates and fosters great chemistry.
I never compared usage and time of possession, I just stated a 30 point scorer like mj or ant are going to have high time of possessions, usage and all of those stats. I said seconds per touch is more telling than overall time of possession. And Ant is a legit 3 level scorer, you’re trying to make him sound like James Harden or something. Ant is shooting 56% from 3-10, 46 from 10-16, and an astonishing 69%! From 16-3pt. Just to put this into perspective, the best Kobe ever shot was 64, 50, 42 from those distances in 2008. His playoff average are 47/45/40. Ant’s mid range numbers are very comparable to Kobe’s best year, and Kobe’s talked about as a top 3-5 midrange shooter.

And please don’t gaslight this into me saying ant’s a better midrange shooter than Kobe. I’m simply comparing their midrange numbers to show you can’t claim Kobe’s one of the top midrange players ever and at the same time claiming Ant’s some rimrunning, 3pt chucker who can’t operate in the middle.

[iamgine]

Scottie Pippen would be best.

[Duffy Pratt]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-13-2024/Nqra9g.gif

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches?SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=D&sort=TIME_OF_POSS


After 2 games, the Wolves were "too much" for the Nuggets... But now that the Nuggets solved Ant-ball, so it's over.. Neither Ant nor SGA will win another game in these playoffs.. This is just like Lebron losing the last 3 games of basically every playoff series that he lost - teams figure out bron-ball and can't lose thereafter.

In the West, every team without one of these ball dominant players has been eliminated from the playoffs. Thus, one of these ball dominant players is going to the finals. But they are all losers??? Almost nothing you say is internally consistent.

[bullettooth]

If everyone's comparing him to MJ..... then give him a Pippen.

[3ba11]

In the West, every team without one of these ball dominant players has been eliminated from the playoffs. Thus, one of these ball dominant players is going to the finals. But they are all losers??? Almost nothing you say is internally consistent.


None will make the Finals

[3ba11]

If everyone's comparing him to MJ..... then give him a Pippen.


Ant has an All-NBA teammate that out-produces Pippen and also the GOAT defender and also 6MOY and also completely stacked with goat length at every position (according to Lebron here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4G9UX3A0WT8&pp=ygUeTGVicm9uIHByYWlzZXMgdHdvbHZlcyBsZW5ndGgg&t=30s)

That's obviously more help than MJ 3-peated with

[RRR3]

Ant has an All-NBA teammate that out-produces Pippen and also the GOAT defender and also 6MOY and also completely stacked with goat length at every position (according to Lebron here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4G9UX3A0WT8&pp=ygUeTGVicm9uIHByYWlzZXMgdHdvbHZlcyBsZW5ndGgg&t=30s)

That's obviously more help than MJ 3-peated with
So now LeBron’s opinion matters? :roll:

[3ba11]

So now LeBron’s opinion matters? :roll:


It isn't just Lebron - EVERYONE said the Wolves were too much and the Nuggets were overmatched

So they can't switch now and say Ant needs more help - he simply needs to improve his brand of ball and chemistry, so teammates play better (elevate teammates).. So I was right - chemistry matters and it's the reason for losses just as much as insufficient talent (needing more help).. this is especially true for simpleton down-hill players that yield weak chemistry

[Duffy Pratt]

None will make the Finals

The list you posted has Luka, SGA, Murray, and Ant. That’s Dallas, OKC, Denver, and MN. If none of them is going to make the finals, who do you think is coming out of the west? Can you actually be that delusional or out of touch?

[NBAGOAT]

The list you posted has Luka, SGA, Murray, and Ant. That’s Dallas, OKC, Denver, and MN. If none of them is going to make the finals, who do you think is coming out of the west? Can you actually be that delusional or out of touch?

Let him backtrack and say none will win the title haha. He’s going pick Boston now. Boston winning has nothing to do with Tatum not being ball doninant he’s had a bad playoffs. They’re just stacked on both ends and Derrick white has been incredible

[Duffy Pratt]

Let him backtrack and say none will win the title haha. He’s going pick Boston now. Boston winning has nothing to do with Tatum not being ball doninant he’s had a bad playoffs. They’re just stacked on both ends and Derrick white has been incredible

I might, but he will never admit that he mistyped something, made a careless error, or simply got something wrong.

Hell, I often agree with some of his basic underlying points, but they are so obviously only in service of his agenda. If you want to take Ant to task for being overly ball dominant, that might be a conversation worth having. Last night, he had a phenomenally efficient 45 points on only 25 shots. During his time on the floor, the Wolves were a plus 5. He played 45:20. So in the two minutes and forty seconds he sat, the Nuggets had a 13 point advantage.

But the problem was that Ant was too ball dominant??? If you want to make these arguments, pick your moments. But that’s impossible, since the only thing that matters is maintaining that Jordan is better than LeBron. It’s just plain idiotic, as is the whole GOAT debate. The point of the NBA is not to win legacy points, despite what so many seem to think.

[3ba11]

I might, but he will never admit that he mistyped something, made a careless error, or simply got something wrong.

Hell, I often agree with some of his basic underlying points, but they are so obviously only in service of his agenda. If you want to take Ant to task for being overly ball dominant, that might be a conversation worth having. Last night, he had a phenomenally efficient 45 points on only 25 shots. During his time on the floor, the Wolves were a plus 5. He played 45:20. So in the two minutes and forty seconds he sat, the Nuggets had a 13 point advantage.

But the problem was that Ant was too ball dominant??? If you want to make these arguments, pick your moments. But that’s impossible, since the only thing that matters is maintaining that Jordan is better than LeBron. It’s just plain idiotic, as is the whole GOAT debate. The point of the NBA is not to win legacy points, despite what so many seem to think.


Ant's down-hill skillset isn't 5-man basketball, so opponents get used to his down-hill stats and shut down his teammates.. If Ant could dominate other ways, then the Wolves offense would be that much better and teammates contributing more.. that's what MJ did... that's what jokic does.. that's what curry did in his unique and era-changing way... the goat players must learn to be completely sophisticated offensive chameleons.. If you can't see that, then you don't understand competition or the Art of War

[StrongLurk]

Ant's down-hill skillset isn't 5-man basketball, so opponents get used to his down-hill stats and shut down his teammates.. If Ant could dominate other ways, then the Wolves offense would be that much better and teammates contributing more.. that's what MJ did... that's what jokic does.. that's what curry did in his unique and era-changing way... the goat players must learn to be completely sophisticated offensive chameleons.. If you can't see that, then you don't understand competition or the Art of War

Who are these players that are "completely sophisticated offensive chameleons" that you deem to be the GOATs? Let's see your top 5 all time :lol

[3ba11]

Who are these players that are "completely sophisticated offensive chameleons" that you deem to be the GOATs? Let's see your top 5 all time :lol


MJ
Kobe
Bird
Curry


^^^ goat jumpshooting skill required along with goat post ability, except for the goat shooter that brought in this era (Curry) - he's defended differently than everyone

My 5th guy is Wilt because I have the best jumpshooters > best centers > best ball-dominators... that's how my top 10 is ranked... it's based on the skillset that needs the least help to win

[SouBeachTalents]

https://i.ibb.co/0XWQ7LJ/Screenshot-2024-05-13-230603.png

[Duffy Pratt]

Ant's down-hill skillset isn't 5-man basketball, so opponents get used to his down-hill stats and shut down his teammates.. If Ant could dominate other ways, then the Wolves offense would be that much better and teammates contributing more.. that's what MJ did... that's what jokic does.. that's what curry did in his unique and era-changing way... the goat players must learn to be completely sophisticated offensive chameleons.. If you can't see that, then you don't understand competition or the Art of War

They won the minutes he was on the court (45 of 48). They lost badly the less than three minutes he was resting. Last night’s loss had nothing to do with his downhill skill set. It had everything to do with Minnesota having no offense and weaker defense when he was off the court.

And yes, I agree that his game has room for improvement. And I’m not a fan of ball dominant, stagnant, ISO oriented offenses. But that wasn’t the issue last night. Rather, Towns was awful. Gobert is a cypher on offense. And most importantly, the Nuggets simply dominated for the few minutes that Ant rested.

[Phoenix]

And yes, I agree that his game has room for improvement. And I’m not a fan of ball dominant, stagnant, ISO oriented offenses. But that wasn’t the issue last night. Rather, Towns was awful. Gobert is a cypher on offense. And most importantly, the Nuggets simply dominated for the few minutes that Ant rested.

As it should for any 22 year old. Ant has very clearly shown progression in 4 seasons. 3nutball likes to act like MJ was a completely finished product at 22 when he was clearly a more polished player by the time he won championships. Ant in terms of NBA experience is akin to 87 MJ at this point. Wait until he's had a summer playing in the Olympics and what he takes from that experience. He was team USAs best player last year and came back a bonified all-NBA level player this season leading his team to 3rd in the west. Very likely he will take another leap next season. We can't just...enjoy watching someone mature with idiots like 3ball trying to compare them to players with complete legacies. This dude is the age MJ was as a rookie/sophomore. He literally has an entire career ahead, but we already doing this dumb shit.

[3ba11]

As it should for any 22 year old. 3nutball likes to act like MJ was a completely finished product at 22 when he was clearly a more polished player by the time he won championships.


Jordan was ready to win titles right away and already won a college title, while Ant went 5-13 in college or some garbage - so don't compare their fundamentals - they don't compare at 22

Ant has a simpleton, down-hill skillset, while 22-year MJ already played off-ball and off teammates.. Give MJ a top seed and 57 win team at 22 years old and it's an instant title.. he's the only player in history that never lost with a 1 or 2 seed, yet everyone says Ant is like Jordan by losing with a top seed (something MJ never did).

Give rookie Jordan some help and he wins the title... remember that Bird/Magic needed super-teams to barely hang with Bad Boys, while Jordan made them a piece of cake with just one other star and was basically beating them in 90' with nothing

[Phoenix]

Jordan was ready to win titles right away and already won a college title, while Ant went 5-13 in college or some garbage - so don't compare their fundamentals - they don't compare at 22

Ant has a simpleton, down-hill skillset, while 22-year MJ already played off-ball and off teammates.. Give MJ a top seed and 57 win team at 22 years old and it's an instant title.. he's the only player in history that never lost with a 1 or 2 seed, yet everyone says Ant is like Jordan by losing with a top seed (something MJ never did).

Give rookie Jordan some help and he wins the title... remember that Bird/Magic needed super-teams to barely hang with Bad Boys, while Jordan made them a piece of cake with just one other star and was basically beating them in 90' with nothing

Jordan wasn't a finished player at 22 and he won when he won. And without anything but conjecture to go off, let's call your claim that MJ would have won in the NBA right away bullshit. Not because it wasn't possible, but because his career was what he was and you have absolutely no clue what he would or wouldn't have done in different circumstances at 22.

[PeroAntic]

Ant is better than Jordan

[StrongLurk]

MJ
Kobe
Bird
Curry


^^^ goat jumpshooting skill required along with goat post ability, except for the goat shooter that brought in this era (Curry) - he's defended differently than everyone

My 5th guy is Wilt because I have the best jumpshooters > best centers > best ball-dominators... that's how my top 10 is ranked... it's based on the skillset that needs the least help to win

:roll:

So we have Kobe with 2 FMVPs, Bird with 2 FMVPs, and Curry with 1 FMVP. Besides MJ, your list is a joke that no one would ever agree with. Hell you even threw in Wilt at 5 :roll:

[3ba11]

:roll:

So we have Kobe with 2 FMVPs, Bird with 2 FMVPs, and Curry with 1 FMVP. Besides MJ, your list is a joke that no one would ever agree with. Hell you even threw in Wilt at 5 :roll:


Bird couldn't guarantee winning the Eastern Conference by teaming up with Isiah and Dr. J, so you can't knock guys for not making the Finals when comparing to Lebron, who put the top 3 players in the East on 1 team ("decision").. Lebron subsequently blew these extra chances that he manufactured for himself by getting smashed in nearly every Finals and needing teammate bailout to save him in multiple Finals.

Imagine if Lebron's skillset produced dominant teams, he would have 10 FMVP, but his skillset failed the chances that his collusions provided.

[StrongLurk]

Bird couldn't guarantee winning the Eastern Conference by teaming up with Isiah and Dr. J, so you can't knock guys for not making the Finals when comparing to Lebron, who put the top 3 players in the East on 1 team ("decision").. Lebron subsequently blew these extra chances that he manufactured for himself by getting smashed in nearly every Finals and needing teammate bailout to save him in multiple Finals.

Imagine if Lebron's skillset produced dominant teams, he would have 10 FMVP, but his skillset failed the chances that his collusions provided.

This whole post is just crying excuses. Bird literally had a TEAMMATE get a finals MVP, Curry was cucked by KD twice, and we all know Shaq proved that he has a top 5 peak of all time which Kobe never matched in the finals (Lebron never had a teammate on peak Shaq's level). You've said many times that Bird had a super team his whole career, same with the KD/Curry Warriors.

Lebron was the driving force behind his 4 finals MVPs. All the other all time greats in the modern era tried their best but couldn't get to four because they weren't good enough for long enough.

[ShawkFactory]

Ant's down-hill skillset isn't 5-man basketball, so opponents get used to his down-hill stats and shut down his teammates.. If Ant could dominate other ways, then the Wolves offense would be that much better and teammates contributing more.. that's what MJ did... that's what jokic does.. that's what curry did in his unique and era-changing way... the goat players must learn to be completely sophisticated offensive chameleons.. If you can't see that, then you don't understand competition or the Art of War

Sure. And if/when they contribute more you definitely won't be switching up your argument and say they're all better than Pippen.