Draymond kind of won that argument at the end

[Kblaze8855]

https://youtu.be/NhzsNxki0no?si=ZBqf7Kh-58TdqzBp




https://x.com/thedunkcentral/status/1793362187110526978?s=46&t=6wC01e_jvrTUpW4eOxrXKA (https://x.com/thedunkcentral/status/1793362187110526978?s=46&t=6wC01e_jvrTUpW4eOxrXKA)


Full discussion around 27 minutes of the YouTube or just watch the Twitter highlight.

he acknowledges he couldn’t personally defend Shaq. Shaq tells him he would have Derek Fisher allow Steph to drive so he could lay him out. Draymond said now there’s a fight and pointed out there if he and Shaq both go…. Warriors win.

Something about Shaqs immediate reversal on the fight idea after that made me laugh.

[ArbitraryWater]

Very entertaining discussion. Whole thing was nice.

Shaq still bewildered about why Kobe isnt in the goat convo lol.

[StrongLurk]

The casual NBA fans really suck at these kind of topics. It literally devolves into who's gonna guard Shaq or Kobe durrrrr?

As if basketball is only a 2v2 sport. It is SO clear that the KD/Curry Warriors will beat the 2000-2002 Lakers. Shaq would go off for his 40/20, but I really don't think Kobe would out-impact Curry or KD. And frankly, the Warriors 3-10 players are better than the Lakers 3-10 players, AND the Warriors have a more effective modern offense. And of course, casuals always forget the Warriors were either the best or 2nd best defensive team in the league too.

It's NOT about how the superstars play (Shaq/Kobe or MJ/Pippen), it's the fact that as a whole team and playstyle philosophy, the 96-98 Bulls and 00-02 Lakers CANNOT keep pace with the Warriors play. You can't beat the Warriors making 5 threes per game and constantly having 1 or even 2 complete ineffective role players on the court at the same time against the Warriors.

[ImKobe]

The casual NBA fans really suck at these kind of topics. It literally devolves into who's gonna guard Shaq or Kobe durrrrr?

As if basketball is only a 2v2 sport. It is SO clear that the KD/Curry Warriors will beat the 2000-2002 Lakers. Shaq would go off for his 40/20, but I really don't think Kobe would out-impact Curry or KD. And frankly, the Warriors 3-10 players are better than the Lakers 3-10 players, AND the Warriors have a more effective modern offense. And of course, casuals always forget the Warriors were either the best or 2nd best defensive team in the league too.

It's NOT about how the superstars play (Shaq/Kobe or MJ/Pippen), it's the fact that as a whole team and playstyle philosophy, the 96-98 Bulls and 00-02 Lakers CANNOT keep pace with the Warriors play. You can't beat the Warriors making 5 threes per game and constantly having 1 or even 2 complete ineffective role players on the court at the same time against the Warriors.

Yet the 2020 Lakers had the #1 seed and won the title while being one of the worst 3PT shooting teams in the league. No one respected their role players from deep. They won with size and defense. Those Shaq & Kobe teams would be living at the FT line and their defense & rebounding would offset the advantage that GS would have from 3.

That 2016 Cavs - GSW finals is another great example. Warriors made 38 more threes, shot about 5% better from deep & still lost the series because Cavs controlled the boards and dominated them with their size & physicality. In that Game 7 the Cavs shot 6/25 from three compared to GS' 15/41 and Cavs won the game.

[eliteballer]

The casual NBA fans really suck at these kind of topics. It literally devolves into who's gonna guard Shaq or Kobe durrrrr?

As if basketball is only a 2v2 sport. It is SO clear that the KD/Curry Warriors will beat the 2000-2002 Lakers. Shaq would go off for his 40/20, but I really don't think Kobe would out-impact Curry or KD. And frankly, the Warriors 3-10 players are better than the Lakers 3-10 players, AND the Warriors have a more effective modern offense. And of course, casuals always forget the Warriors were either the best or 2nd best defensive team in the league too.

It's NOT about how the superstars play (Shaq/Kobe or MJ/Pippen), it's the fact that as a whole team and playstyle philosophy, the 96-98 Bulls and 00-02 Lakers CANNOT keep pace with the Warriors play. You can't beat the Warriors making 5 threes per game and constantly having 1 or even 2 complete ineffective role players on the court at the same time against the Warriors.

What RULES are we playing under?

Under the soft rules the Dubs played under the Lakers/Bulls are ripping more 3's.

Under the real rules (mens rules) the Dubs offense isn't nearly as effective and potent.

[BarberSchool]

Dray won “by decision”, after getting clever, and not focusing on “who would win the fight”, but viewing the fight as a dual ejection tool :lol

Shaq had his entire energy shifted by Dray cleverness.

I absolutely despise/hate Dray as a player.

But I gotta say, maybe it’s just by comparison since Shaq and Kenny are so MF terrible, in their own ways ….

…. But I really do enjoy Draymond as a commentator.
I thought he was just attention-starved, but he adds far far far more solid insight that Shaq or Kenny ever do.
All Kenny’s supposed “insight” is just barely-applicable and even completely non-applicable bluster/bullsh!t, that often barely even supports his own basic biased narrative of “why”. Kenny bullsh!t only fools people who never played the game at a decent level.

Chuck ain’t all that insightful either :lol , but he’s genuinely charming and funny and likable.

Oddly enough, the way I hate dray as a player but love him as a commentator, is the exact opposite I feel about Shaq. As a little boy, I LOVED SHAQ AND PENNY, so much, but shaq as a commentator, offers Jack sh!t. Dude just phones it in with lame cliches. It’s obvious he doesn’t even watch games much at all. Zero value, other than him and chuck threatening each other :lol

[HoopsNY]

The casual NBA fans really suck at these kind of topics. It literally devolves into who's gonna guard Shaq or Kobe durrrrr?

As if basketball is only a 2v2 sport. It is SO clear that the KD/Curry Warriors will beat the 2000-2002 Lakers. Shaq would go off for his 40/20, but I really don't think Kobe would out-impact Curry or KD. And frankly, the Warriors 3-10 players are better than the Lakers 3-10 players, AND the Warriors have a more effective modern offense. And of course, casuals always forget the Warriors were either the best or 2nd best defensive team in the league too.

It's NOT about how the superstars play (Shaq/Kobe or MJ/Pippen), it's the fact that as a whole team and playstyle philosophy, the 96-98 Bulls and 00-02 Lakers CANNOT keep pace with the Warriors play. You can't beat the Warriors making 5 threes per game and constantly having 1 or even 2 complete ineffective role players on the court at the same time against the Warriors.

The Lakers weren't attempting 5 3PA though. At least, not when it mattered the most - the playoffs.

'00 LAL: 15.4 3PA | .349%
'01 LAL: 15.9 3PA | .386%
'02 LAL: 18.0 3PA | .339%

The 2018 Rockets took the Warriors to 7 games and shot 31% from 3. I think it's a bit naive to think the Lakers wouldn't be able to post similar numbers. And unlike Houston, the Lakers have Shaq sitting on the inside to draw doubles and triples to leave their shooters open on the outside.

[StrongLurk]

The Lakers weren't attempting 5 3PA though. At least, not when it mattered the most - the playoffs.

'00 LAL: 15.4 3PA | .349%
'01 LAL: 15.9 3PA | .386%
'02 LAL: 18.0 3PA | .339%

The 2018 Rockets took the Warriors to 7 games and shot 31% from 3. I think it's a bit naive to think the Lakers wouldn't be able to post similar numbers. And unlike Houston, the Lakers have Shaq sitting on the inside to draw doubles and triples to leave their shooters open on the outside.

I said MAKING 5 threes a game. Not taking.

You guys just don't get it :roll:

[StrongLurk]

What RULES are we playing under?

Under the soft rules the Dubs played under the Lakers/Bulls are ripping more 3's.

Under the real rules (mens rules) the Dubs offense isn't nearly as effective and potent.

The 00-02 Lakers have a better chance due to Shaq honestly than the 96-98 Bulls.

Playing in the late 90's "rules" still gives the Warriors an advantage because not only can they be more physical on defense (remember they were top 2 defense), but the Warriors can now OBLITERATE the shortened 3-point line.

[StrongLurk]

Yet the 2020 Lakers had the #1 seed and won the title while being one of the worst 3PT shooting teams in the league. No one respected their role players from deep. They won with size and defense. Those Shaq & Kobe teams would be living at the FT line and their defense & rebounding would offset the advantage that GS would have from 3.

That 2016 Cavs - GSW finals is another great example. Warriors made 38 more threes, shot about 5% better from deep & still lost the series because Cavs controlled the boards and dominated them with their size & physicality. In that Game 7 the Cavs shot 6/25 from three compared to GS' 15/41 and Cavs won the game.

We are not talking about the 2020 Lakers nor the 16 Cavs/Warriors.

The 17/18/19 Warriors beat all of those teams, especially the 17 Warriors.

[tontoz]

Shaq isn't as bad as he used to be but is still annoying. His only legit contribution to the show is Shaqtin a fool.

[ImKobe]

We are not talking about the 2020 Lakers nor the 16 Cavs/Warriors.

The 17/18/19 Warriors beat all of those teams, especially the 17 Warriors.

I'm saying the 3PT advantage itself isn't enough. They're not stopping the Lakers from scoring in the paint and they're not beating them on the boards. There's plenty of examples of great 3PT shooting teams losing in the Playoffs.

Warriors do not have the personnel to defend the Lakers. Lakers have the personnel to defend GS. Lakers have the better HC. Lakers have the two best players in the series. The 3PT advantage itself isn't enough.

[StrongLurk]

I'm saying the 3PT advantage itself isn't enough. They're not stopping the Lakers from scoring in the paint and they're not beating them on the boards. There's plenty of examples of great 3PT shooting teams losing in the Playoffs.

Warriors do not have the personnel to defend the Lakers. Lakers have the personnel to defend GS. Lakers have the better HC. Lakers have the two best players in the series. The 3PT advantage itself isn't enough.

It's not just 3 pointers. Are you serious? You can't be serious with your posts here.

The Lakers do NOT have the personnel to defend the Warriors :roll:

The Warriors can defend the Lakers much better because the Lakers can't space the floor correctly and have too many non-impact role players. Shaq is dominating but Kobe is not guaranteed at all to pop off against Klay, Dray, Iggy, and Durant constantly switching on him.

You are literally just living in a fantasy land right now with your posts.

[HoopsNY]

I said MAKING 5 threes a game. Not taking.

You guys just don't get it :roll:

My bad. Misread. The idea remains the same though. The Rockets shot poorly and still took the series to 7 games. And I don't think the 2018 Rockets, despite winning 65 games, were as good as those 2000s Lakers teams.

[ImKobe]

It's not just 3 pointers. Are you serious? You can't be serious with your posts here.

The Lakers do NOT have the personnel to defend the Warriors :roll:

The Warriors can defend the Lakers much better because the Lakers can't space the floor correctly and have too many non-impact role players. Shaq is dominating but Kobe is not guaranteed at all to pop off against Klay, Dray, Iggy, and Durant constantly switching on him.

You are literally just living in a fantasy land right now with your posts.

Cavs had a non-shooter in TT playing 26 mpg with mediocre shooters in RJ and Shumpert being apart of the rotation as well and they had no trouble scoring the ball.

None of those guys are stopping athletic prime KB lol. They couldn't stop either of Lebron or Kyrie but you think Kobe would have trouble scoring on them? Please. Even a past-prime Kobe consistently gave it to Klay, apart from his last season in the league. If year 19 Kobe could drop 44 and 28 on Dray & Klay I think '01 KB would do just fine.

If we play by today's rules as well there's nothing they can do to stop Shaq or KB, sorry.

[StrongLurk]

My bad. Misread. The idea remains the same though. The Rockets shot poorly and still took the series to 7 games. And I don't think the 2018 Rockets, despite winning 65 games, were as good as those 2000s Lakers teams.

Modern teams like the 2018 Rockets can compete, because the philosophies and schemes are generally optimized, which is NOT the case for teams in the 90s/2000s.

[StrongLurk]

Cavs had a non-shooter in TT playing 26 mpg with mediocre shooters in RJ and Shumpert being apart of the rotation as well and they had no trouble scoring the ball.

None of those guys are stopping athletic prime KB lol. They couldn't stop either of Lebron or Kyrie but you think Kobe would have trouble scoring on them? Please. Even a past-prime Kobe consistently gave it to Klay, apart from his last season in the league. If year 19 Kobe could drop 44 and 28 on Dray & Klay I think '01 KB would do just fine.

If we play by today's rules as well there's nothing they can do to stop Shaq or KB, sorry.

You are literally just wrong. It's hilarious you brought up Lebron/Kyrie in 2017 because what happened? They lost in FIVE games.

The Warriors would just let Shaq get "his" and then double team the shit out of Kobe. Kobe has plenty of series 2000-2002 where he played poorly against worse defenses than the 17-19 Warriors.

Your claims are so bad that there is no need to try to debunk them. They are just wrong. You are doing exactly what I said in the OP, which is turning these matchups into 2 on 2 (KD/Curry vs Shaq/KB) You are thinking to SMALL on this topic and not realizing how much more talent the whole Warriors teams have on top of having better philosophies/schemes on BOTH sides of the ball. Shaq could easily get in foul trouble and have no chance at guarding the pick/rolls and ball movement of the Warriors.

[HoopsNY]

Modern teams like the 2018 Rockets can compete, because the philosophies and schemes are generally optimized, which is NOT the case for teams in the 90s/2000s.

Why not? The entire league has shifted in philosophy. This is a top down effort. The league front office, the team front offices, and the teams themselves have shifted.

Carmelo in a recent podcast mentioned he was literally not allowed to play bully ball by the league refs and his own front office when he joined Portland. He was also instructed by the team that he could only take a certain percentage of mid-range jumpers.

If rule changes facilitated this process, and the team front offices as well, why wouldn't teams who have numerous shooters do the same?

The Lakers had Fox, Shaw, Rice, Fisher, Horry, Kobe, etc. There's no reason to think that they couldn't jack up 30-40 threes in a game and shoot 31%, especially when you basically became required to do so.

[StrongLurk]

Why not? The entire league has shifted in philosophy. This is a top down effort. The league front office, the team front offices, and the teams themselves have shifted.

Carmelo in a recent podcast mentioned he was literally not allowed to play bully ball by the league refs and his own front office when he joined Portland. He was also instructed by the team that he could only take a certain percentage of mid-range jumpers.

If rule changes facilitated this process, and the team front offices as well, why wouldn't teams who have numerous shooters do the same?

The Lakers had Fox, Shaw, Rice, Fisher, Horry, Kobe, etc. There's no reason to think that they couldn't jack up 30-40 threes in a game and shoot 31%, especially when you basically became required to do so.

You can't just jack up a million threes suddenly lol. You think the Lakers system back then would just allow that easily?

[tpols]

Dray won “by decision”, after getting clever, and not focusing on “who would win the fight”, but viewing the fight as a dual ejection tool :lol

Shaq had his entire energy shifted by Dray cleverness.

I absolutely despise/hate Dray as a player.

But I gotta say, maybe it’s just by comparison since Shaq and Kenny are so MF terrible, in their own ways ….

…. But I really do enjoy Draymond as a commentator.
I thought he was just attention-starved, but he adds far far far more solid insight that Shaq or Kenny ever do.
All Kenny’s supposed “insight” is just barely-applicable and even completely non-applicable bluster/bullsh!t, that often barely even supports his own basic biased narrative of “why”. Kenny bullsh!t only fools people who never played the game at a decent level.

Chuck ain’t all that insightful either :lol , but he’s genuinely charming and funny and likable.

Oddly enough, the way I hate dray as a player but love him as a commentator, is the exact opposite I feel about Shaq. As a little boy, I LOVED SHAQ AND PENNY, so much, but shaq as a commentator, offers Jack sh!t. Dude just phones it in with lame cliches. It’s obvious he doesn’t even watch games much at all. Zero value, other than him and chuck threatening each other :lol

He appealed to Shaqs ego. Basically saying Shaq is way better than him. Once the big man caught that vibe he settled down.

[ImKobe]

You are literally just wrong. It's hilarious you brought up Lebron/Kyrie in 2017 because what happened? They lost in FIVE games.

The Warriors would just let Shaq get "his" and then double team the shit out of Kobe. Kobe has plenty of series 2000-2002 where he played poorly against worse defenses than the 17-19 Warriors.

Your claims are so bad that there is no need to try to debunk them. They are just wrong. You are doing exactly what I said in the OP, which is turning these matchups into 2 on 2 (KD/Curry vs Shaq/KB) You are thinking to SMALL on this topic and not realizing how much more talent the whole Warriors teams have on top of having better philosophies/schemes on BOTH sides of the ball. Shaq could easily get in foul trouble and have no chance at guarding the pick/rolls and ball movement of the Warriors.

No, I'm saying that the Lakers have an advantage on the glass and on defense. That's not just a 2v2 thing. Fisher was an elite 3PT shooter in the '01 Playoffs and Horry was reliable as well. Those guys would not be left wide open and if they were, they'd be knocking down 3s.

You have to take rule changes into account as well. It doesn't even matter which way we go because if we did it under modern rules then Shaq and KB would produce even more than they did in the early 2000s, and if we go by how the game was officiated in '01 then Steph, KD & Klay would be less effective as scorers with the amount of physicality that was allowed.

[NBAGOAT]

My bad. Misread. The idea remains the same though. The Rockets shot poorly and still took the series to 7 games. And I don't think the 2018 Rockets, despite winning 65 games, were as good as those 2000s Lakers teams.

rockets were built to counter gs however. no bad defender on perimeter a small ball lineup that's switchable everywhere to counter dray at the 5. Specifically played an iso heavy slow low turnover offense to not let gs get out in transition. people in this thread say lakers have personnel to guard gs but do they really. just having shaq involved in 80 pnrs a game with curry or durant 30 feet from the basket is a huge liability. Defense wasnt about 1v1 with the warriors unless you switched everything

[StrongLurk]

No, I'm saying that the Lakers have an advantage on the glass and on defense. That's not just a 2v2 thing. Fisher was an elite 3PT shooter in the '01 Playoffs and Horry was reliable as well. Those guys would not be left wide open and if they were, they'd be knocking down 3s.

You have to take rule changes into account as well. It doesn't even matter which way we go because if we did it under modern rules then Shaq and KB would produce even more than they did in the early 2000s, and if we go by how the game was officiated in '01 then Steph, KD & Klay would be less effective as scorers with the amount of physicality that was allowed.

Dude, you are so dumb. No team is beating the 17 Warriors. They were the best offensive and defensive team in the league and had an absurd +11.6 net rating.

The 01 Lakers would literally need another 20-point scorer (that can space the floor) added to their team to compete with the 17 Warriors. No one cares about how much you love Kobe, he's getting completely neutralized at worse by KD.

No one can stop the 17 Warriors, it's ridiculous to claim a team from the early 2000's could do that.

[tpols]

Dude, you are so dumb. No team is beating the 17 Warriors. They were the best offensive and defensive team in the league and had an absurd +11.6 net rating.

The 01 Lakers would literally need another 20-point scorer (that can space the floor) added to their team to compete with the 17 Warriors. No one cares about how much you love Kobe, he's getting completely neutralized at worse by KD.

No one can stop the 17 Warriors, it's ridiculous to claim a team from the early 2000's could do that.

Shaq would literally foul draymond out. And with no bogut the warriors would not only have nobody to guard the Shaq, they'd have nobody to protect the rim. Which would be a free for all for Kobe.

Did you not see last night's game?

Minnesota hit 18 3s and Dallas only hit 6. And the Wolves lost.

I'm not saying the Dubs couldn't get hot and win a little but they have absolutely ZERO answer for Shaq and Kobe in the paint.

[StrongLurk]

Shaq would literally foul draymond out. And with no bogut the warriors would not only have nobody to guard the Shaq, they'd have nobody to protect the rim. Which would be a free for all for Kobe.

Did you not see last night's game?

Minnesota hit 18 3s and Dallas only hit 6. And the Wolves lost.

I'm not saying the Dubs couldn't get hot and win a little but they have absolutely ZERO answer for Shaq and Kobe in the paint.

Once again you boil it down to 2 players. Get your head out of the sand. The LAKERS would not beat the WARRIORS. Bball is not 2x2. Besides, 17 Warriors still had Javale McGee, Zaza, and David West. Obviously no one is stopped Shaq but the Warriors still have bodies to throw at. The Lakers defense has no shot at doing anything to the WHOLE warriors offense. Kobe would for sure be contained though against the Warriors elite perimeter and point of attack/wing defense.

Also you are once again comparing two modern teams to each other by using the Mavs and Wolves. The REASON why basketball is played in it's current format is because it's generally the optimal/superior philosophy and scheme.

The 01 Lakers had a .191 3-point rate and only a 49.8 EFG% (that's with Shaq's insane FG% efficiency). Warriors had a .359 3-point rate and a 56.3 EFG%. That's a massive difference in scoring effectiveness from the floor. And The lakers can't make it up with free throws either since the Warriors have a big advantage there too. PLUS the Warriors were, again, a top 1-2 defense in the league. For some reason you bozo's keep assuming the Warriors defense wasn't elite...

[ImKobe]

Dude, you are so dumb. No team is beating the 17 Warriors. They were the best offensive and defensive team in the league and had an absurd +11.6 net rating.

The 01 Lakers would literally need another 20-point scorer (that can space the floor) added to their team to compete with the 17 Warriors. No one cares about how much you love Kobe, he's getting completely neutralized at worse by KD.

No one can stop the 17 Warriors, it's ridiculous to claim a team from the early 2000's could do that.

So your only argument is "no one's stopping the 2017 Warriors". Great.

'01 Lakers had a better Net Rating (+13.8) than the '17 Warriors (+13.5) in the Playoffs. You thinking that Steph & KD are on the same level as Shaq & Kobe is where you got shit really ****ed up.

[StrongLurk]

So your only argument is "no one's stopping the 2017 Warriors". Great.

'01 Lakers had a better Net Rating (+13.8) than the '17 Warriors (+13.5) in the Playoffs. You thinking that Steph & KD are on the same level as Shaq & Kobe is where you got shit really ****ed up.

You can't help by boil it down to 2 on 2 basketball :lol. You just lose the argument at this point, have a nice day.

[tpols]

Dude I've seen Curry go cold from 3, Klay average like 16ppg in almost every Finals, Dray shoot like ass since forever, and obviously Mcgee and Zaza can't shoot at all and would be obliterated by Shaq and Kobe.

Did you not witness 2018? Harden and old Chris Paul were UP 3-2 on the Curry KD warriors. And you think Shaq and ****ing Kobe couldn't hang at all?

The way you're typing it's like you're saying they'd get ****ed up. Which is absolutely preposterous.

:roll:

Most teams would back then. But top teams like the Lakers and Kings and Spurs definitely wouldn't.

[tpols]

Using +/- against the field of all 30 teams is retarded ŵhen were discussing a specific H2H matchup. The warriors after bogut left were tailor made to get ****ed by Shaq.

[StrongLurk]

Dude I've seen Curry go cold from 3, Klay average like 16ppg in almost every Finals, Dray shoot like ass since forever, and obviously Mcgee and Zaza can't shoot at all and would be obliterated by Shaq and Kobe.

Did you not witness 2018? Harden and old Chris Paul were UP 3-2 on the Curry KD warriors. And you think Shaq and ****ing Kobe couldn't hang at all?

The way you're typing it's like you're saying they'd get ****ed up. Which is absolutely preposterous.

:roll:

Most teams would back then. But top teams like the Lakers and Kings and Spurs definitely wouldn't.

You are just cherry picking this whole post. Shaq/Kobe Lakers ALMOST lost some series too, remember? The 2018 Rockets were elite as hell. They went 65-17 with a +8.7 net rating. Quite acting like they were nobodies.

And AGAIN, we have another post here (tpols) literally boiling EVERYTHING down to 2x2 basketball. Why are yall so ****ing stupid?

My OP literally said this would happen and all you morons literally went ahead and did it.

[StrongLurk]

The casual NBA fans really suck at these kind of topics. It literally devolves into who's gonna guard Shaq or Kobe durrrrr?

As if basketball is only a 2v2 sport. It is SO clear that the KD/Curry Warriors will beat the 2000-2002 Lakers. Shaq would go off for his 40/20, but I really don't think Kobe would out-impact Curry or KD. And frankly, the Warriors 3-10 players are better than the Lakers 3-10 players, AND the Warriors have a more effective modern offense. And of course, casuals always forget the Warriors were either the best or 2nd best defensive team in the league too.

It's NOT about how the superstars play (Shaq/Kobe or MJ/Pippen), it's the fact that as a whole team and playstyle philosophy, the 96-98 Bulls and 00-02 Lakers CANNOT keep pace with the Warriors play. You can't beat the Warriors making 5 threes per game and constantly having 1 or even 2 complete ineffective role players on the court at the same time against the Warriors.

Bolding my OP to expose these dumbasses trying to say the Lakers would win. Literally my first post and yet, here comes the morons doing exactly what I predicted.

[ImKobe]

You can't help by boil it down to 2 on 2 basketball :lol. You just lose the argument at this point, have a nice day.

Look at the post I quoted. You thinking KD is neutralizing Kobe is the funniest part about this whole back & forth. I've addressed everything, including their supporting casts. You can't leave Fisher & Horry open from 3. You got no one that can stop Shaq or Kobe. Somehow the Lakers have no shot tho because Warriors shoot more 3s. Great.

2017 Warriors have this mythical all-time great aura about them because Kawhi got Zaza'd in Game 1 of the WCF when his team was up by 20+ points in the 3rd.

[tpols]

The Warriors outside Curry and Durant weren't all that. Klay shit bed in Finals almost every time. Dray can't shoot. McGee and zaza can't shoot. The Warriors shooting and spacing wasn't as deep as you make it out to be.

And again you have no answer for the paint. Where LA would certifiably dominate. We JUST saw Dallas win with pure paint points while getting outscored from 3 massively.

It becomes even more hilarious when you consider 2001 Fisher was on absolute fire from 3 in the playoffs and they had Robert ****ing Horry! Whose one of the best stretch 4s ever and a waaay better shooter than Dray.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Warriors outside Curry and Durant weren't all that. Klay shit bed in Finals almost every time. Dray can't shoot. McGee and zaza can't shoot. The Warriors shooting and spacing wasn't as deep as you make it out to be.

And again you have no answer for the paint. Where LA would certifiably dominate. We JUST saw Dallas win with pure paint points while getting outscored from 3 massively.

It becomes even more hilarious when you consider 2001 Fisher was on absolute fire from 3 in the playoffs and they had Robert ****ing Horry! Whose one of the best stretch 4s ever and a waaay better shooter than Dray.
Yeah, Klay & Dray were only both All-NBA the year before, Dray was DPOY that season, and when Curry went out in the playoffs the year before the Warriors went 5-2 without him straight up blowing teams out. Not to mention they nearly won the Finals with Curry playing like absolute shit the entire series. Two additional All-NBA players/HOF'ers in their prime, but the supporting cast wasn't all that :lol


2017 Warriors have this mythical all-time great aura about them because Kawhi got Zaza'd in Game 1 of the WCF when his team was up by 20+ points in the 3rd.
Yeah, THAT's why they're considered an all-time great team, no other reason :lol

[StrongLurk]

The Warriors outside Curry and Durant weren't all that. Klay shit bed in Finals almost every time. Dray can't shoot. McGee and zaza can't shoot. The Warriors shooting and spacing wasn't as deep as you make it out to be.

And again you have no answer for the paint. Where LA would certifiably dominate. We JUST saw Dallas win with pure paint points while getting outscored from 3 massively.

It becomes even more hilarious when you consider 2001 Fisher was on absolute fire from 3 in the playoffs and they had Robert ****ing Horry! Whose one of the best stretch 4s ever and a waaay better shooter than Dray.

Derek Fisher and Robert Horry combined to shoot like 7 threes per game dude...it's low volume.

Also this topic was initially 2000-2002 Lakers vs 2017-2019 Warriors, and now it's just been cherry picked to hell and devolved into dumb conversation.

It's just hilarious how you all have somehow forgotten how dominant the Warriors were even though it was literally just a few years ago, but then view the 2000-2002 Lakers through rose-tinted glasses.

I'm over this conversation, ISH really does suck.

[tpols]

Derek Fisher and Robert Horry combined to shoot like 7 threes per game dude...it's low volume.

Also this topic was initially 2000-2002 Lakers vs 2017-2019 Warriors, and now it's just been cherry picked to hell and devolved into dumb conversation.

It's just hilarious how you all have somehow forgotten how dominant the Warriors were even though it was literally just a few years ago, but then view the 2000-2002 Lakers through rose-tinted glasses.

I'm over this conversation, ISH really does suck.

The 2000-2002 Lakers won 3 rings to the warriors 2 and had one of the most dominant runs ever in 2001. What in the world are you even talking about you fool? :lol

You're literally living in opposite day.

[ImKobe]

Yeah, Klay & Dray were only both All-NBA the year before, Dray was DPOY that season, and when Curry went out in the playoffs the year before the Warriors went 5-2 without him straight up blowing teams out. Not to mention they nearly won the Finals with Curry playing like absolute shit the entire series. Two additional All-NBA players/HOF'ers in their prime, but the supporting cast wasn't all that :lol


Yeah, THAT's why they're considered an all-time great team, no other reason :lol

They're considered that because of the 16 - 1 Playoff record. Funny how the best team that they faced in those POs lost their best player in Game 1 of the ****ing series.