I'm listening to Rasheed Wallace talk KG vs Duncan...

[Carbine]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LGwt96Thzug&pp=ygUYS2cgdnMgZHVuY2FuIHNoZWVkIHR5bGVy

It's amazing to be how players who PLAYED in the league and matched up with these players could say things like

"Kg was the #1 option. Early on in Tim's career and his prime he wasn't the #1 option at first. We all know it was Dave. If it was crunch time Pop was drawing it up for Dave in the big games"


Someone show this man the '99 finals where they iso post up Duncan over and over and over again with him delivering more times than not.

David himself would tell you he took a back seat to Duncan early on....

How can anyone take Sheed serious after saying things like that?

[FultzNationRISE]

How can anyone take Sheed serious after saying things like that?


I dunno. You're the one listening to him. You tell us. :confusedshrug:

[SATAN]

Dude, there is a playoff game on. 1 point game.

[Carbine]

Series is over. Just like the 96 finals were over after game 3

[Mask the Embiid]

we call it "blind hating" where im from. its when you hate on someone and dont even know you hating on them.


Rasheed has a subconscious hatred of tim for being better than him and keeping him from his 2nd ring....which would of validated his career. Because everyone knows you need 2 rings to show you winning a ring wasn't a fluke

If hakeem didn't win that second ring we would look at him entirely different......"it was a hot streak" "it was just a fluke run" "Jordan wasn't in the league someone had to win it"

[RRR3]

Rasheed honestly might have forgotten, that was 25+ years ago. He may trust his memories more than he should, which is a pretty common thing for humans to do. Perhaps he was a DRob fan growing up and his nostalgia has clouded how he remembers things.

[Kblaze8855]

I’d say having played so many times it’s likely to run together. David did in fact shoot more than Tim 3 of the first 4 times they played Portland and Rasheed but who knows what he’s remembering and from when. I’d be more interested in his feelings on how they had to be guarded and approached than the hot take aspects.

He has a lot of weird things to say and unexpected preferences in the clips I’ve seen.

[gengiskhan]

you should not be listening to x rated stuff.

protect your virgin ears and fear God.

[tpols]

Nah...

David Robinson was an absolute beast for Duncan's young years coming up.

His advanced metrics were through the roof and for some reason he gets no credit.

[L.Kizzle]

I’d say having played so many times it’s likely to run together. David did in fact shoot more than Tim 3 of the first 4 times they played Portland and Rasheed but who knows what he’s remembering and from when. I’d be more interested in his feelings on how they had to be guarded and approached than the hot take aspects.

He has a lot of weird things to say and unexpected preferences in the clips I’ve seen.
He ain't forget. KG is his boy, that simple. He's propping up his boy.

[Carbine]

Nah...

David Robinson was an absolute beast for Duncan's young years coming up.

His advanced metrics were through the roof and for some reason he gets no credit.

There's no Nah about it. Duncan was unequivocally the #1 option in 99 which was his second year. Drob was at 15PPG, a moderate number for a #2 option.

This is not to say Robinson wasn't great. He was excellent on the boards, on defense and intangible wise.

[Kblaze8855]

Im not Entirely sure Tom Gugliotta wasn’t Minnesota’s top scorer in KG‘s first few years.

[houston]

Sheed is a weird dude.

[gengiskhan]

There have been few Jealous Fks came out of UNC Tar Heel program regarding GOAT.

Stacks is like that too. GOAT hater.

Just imagine if ANT had stacks height and hand size. He be dunking everything.

Sheed and Stacks are the most overrated tar heels ever.

[plowking]

we call it "blind hating" where im from. its when you hate on someone and dont even know you hating on them.


Rasheed has a subconscious hatred of tim for being better than him and keeping him from his 2nd ring....which would of validated his career. Because everyone knows you need 2 rings to show you winning a ring wasn't a fluke

If hakeem didn't win that second ring we would look at him entirely different......"it was a hot streak" "it was just a fluke run" "Jordan wasn't in the league someone had to win it"

Thinly veiled jab at Jokic.

Nice!

[Mask the Embiid]

Thinly veiled jab at Jokic.

Nice!

I don’t do veiled shots. I throw unrecoverable left hooks at jokic…. When I take a shot at him. What i said was a fact….and that goes for any championship team. 2 rings solidifies you. This has nothing to do with “your boy”

[Mask the Embiid]

https://youtu.be/OXWIWuXKSIw?si=CSu7J6WAJ7K3EYPB
1:30

Look at em…..blind hating :oldlol:. I didn’t know anything about their history going all the way back to college but just by the OP. I already knew what time it was. I don’t tip ppl off when I read em though, cause they start trying to hide it. Tip for everyone


“He was a solid player” he tries to catch himself lol but he just can’t help himself “playing on one team your whole career changes everything”. “You know his teammate was really the man on that college team”…. lol hating azz. Man went on a 4 min rant blind hating…envy is terrible fellas…and ya can’t even see it


He was the one who was the #1 recruit in highschool. Timmy was a nobody coming out of highschool. And he had to sit and watch as this guy beat him in college, become the #1 pick, and then pass him as the greatest pf of all time… n he at to sit there and witness it….. he hates him

[ShawkFactory]

Yikes.

Yea that’s why you never should take anything seriously that clearly passionate ex-players have to say. Isiah Thomas has very recently gotten over Jordan. And the only reason he got over hating on Bird was because of Jordan.

People have their biases and just because they played against everyone doesn’t mean they’re objective.

Although.. it’s laughable now to compare KG to Duncan I guess but in the 03-04 range when both were at the absolute peak of their powers it was very tough to pick who was better. Probably would have gone with Duncan myself, as many would have, but it was a razor thin margin.

[rmt]

Yes, Duncan was a nobody coming out of high school because he was just LEARNING the game (after switching from swimming).

Rasheed:

I don't know if he would have been able to carry a team early on the way that KG did. KG was everything for that team. Tim Duncan didn't become that until he was seasoned and that was when he got the likes/lights? to play with Manu ... he got to grow into it... to carry his team. In the prime - from the door - I would say KG.

Duncan (before Manu even joined the NBA)
1998-99 22 SAS NBA PF 50 50 39.3 8.4 16.9 .495 0.0 0.1 .143 8.3 16.8 .498 .495 4.9 7.2 .690 3.2 8.2 11.4 2.4 0.9 2.5 2.9 2.9 21.7 MVP-3,NBA1,DEF1,DPOY-5
1999-00 23 SAS NBA PF 74 74 38.9 8.5 17.3 .490 0.0 0.1 .091 8.5 17.2 .494 .491 6.2 8.1 .761 3.5 8.9 12.4 3.2 0.9 2.2 3.3 2.8 23.2 MVP-5,NBA1,DEF1,AS
2000-01 24 SAS NBA PF 82 82 38.7 8.6 17.1 .499 0.1 0.3 .259 8.5 16.8 .504 .502 5.0 8.1 .618 3.2 9.0 12.2 3.0 0.9 2.3 3.0 3.0 22.2 MVP-2,NBA1,DEF1,AS,DPOY-3
2001-02 25 SAS NBA PF 82 82 40.6 9.3 18.3 .508 0.0 0.1 .100 9.3 18.2 .511 .508 6.8 8.5 .799 3.3 9.4 12.7 3.7 0.7 2.5 3.2 2.6 25.5 MVP-1,NBA1,DEF1,AS


KG
1995-96 19 MIN NBA SF 80 43 28.7 4.5 9.2 .491 0.1 0.4 .286 4.4 8.8 .499 .497 1.3 1.9 .705 2.2 4.1 6.3 1.8 1.1 1.6 1.4 2.4 10.4 ROY-6
1996-97 20 MIN NBA SF 77 77 38.9 7.1 14.3 .499 0.1 0.3 .286 7.1 14.0 .503 .502 2.7 3.5 .754 2.5 5.6 8.0 3.1 1.4 2.1 2.3 2.6 17.0 AS,MIP-8
1997-98 21 MIN NBA PF 82 82 39.3 7.7 15.8 .491 0.0 0.2 .188 7.7 15.6 .495 .492 3.0 4.0 .738 2.7 6.9 9.6 4.2 1.7 1.8 2.3 2.7 18.5 AS,DPOY-11
1998-99 22 MIN NBA PF 47 47 37.9 8.8 19.1 .460 0.1 0.3 .286 8.7 18.9 .463 .462 3.1 4.4 .704 3.5 6.9 10.4 4.3 1.7 1.8 2.9 3.2 20.8 MVP-10,NBA3,DPOY-7

Rasheed's got some memory problems.

[HoopsNY]

I’d say having played so many times it’s likely to run together. David did in fact shoot more than Tim 3 of the first 4 times they played Portland and Rasheed but who knows what he’s remembering and from when. I’d be more interested in his feelings on how they had to be guarded and approached than the hot take aspects.

He has a lot of weird things to say and unexpected preferences in the clips I’ve seen.

Yea, I was about to say this. Robinson led the team in scoring in 1998, so maybe he meant Duncan's rookie year? And like you mentioned, 3/4 of the games, Robinson had more FGA. So it's possible Sheed is just thinking of the first year. But anyone who watched '99 onward knew who the ball was going to.

[HoopsNY]

Yes, Duncan was a nobody coming out of high school because he was just LEARNING the game (after switching from swimming).

Rasheed:

I don't know if he would have been able to carry a team early on the way that KG did. KG was everything for that team. Tim Duncan didn't become that until he was seasoned and that was when he got the likes/lights? to play with Manu ... he got to grow into it... to carry his team. In the prime - from the door - I would say KG.

Duncan (before Manu even joined the NBA)
1998-99 22 SAS NBA PF 50 50 39.3 8.4 16.9 .495 0.0 0.1 .143 8.3 16.8 .498 .495 4.9 7.2 .690 3.2 8.2 11.4 2.4 0.9 2.5 2.9 2.9 21.7 MVP-3,NBA1,DEF1,DPOY-5
1999-00 23 SAS NBA PF 74 74 38.9 8.5 17.3 .490 0.0 0.1 .091 8.5 17.2 .494 .491 6.2 8.1 .761 3.5 8.9 12.4 3.2 0.9 2.2 3.3 2.8 23.2 MVP-5,NBA1,DEF1,AS
2000-01 24 SAS NBA PF 82 82 38.7 8.6 17.1 .499 0.1 0.3 .259 8.5 16.8 .504 .502 5.0 8.1 .618 3.2 9.0 12.2 3.0 0.9 2.3 3.0 3.0 22.2 MVP-2,NBA1,DEF1,AS,DPOY-3
2001-02 25 SAS NBA PF 82 82 40.6 9.3 18.3 .508 0.0 0.1 .100 9.3 18.2 .511 .508 6.8 8.5 .799 3.3 9.4 12.7 3.7 0.7 2.5 3.2 2.6 25.5 MVP-1,NBA1,DEF1,AS


KG
1995-96 19 MIN NBA SF 80 43 28.7 4.5 9.2 .491 0.1 0.4 .286 4.4 8.8 .499 .497 1.3 1.9 .705 2.2 4.1 6.3 1.8 1.1 1.6 1.4 2.4 10.4 ROY-6
1996-97 20 MIN NBA SF 77 77 38.9 7.1 14.3 .499 0.1 0.3 .286 7.1 14.0 .503 .502 2.7 3.5 .754 2.5 5.6 8.0 3.1 1.4 2.1 2.3 2.6 17.0 AS,MIP-8
1997-98 21 MIN NBA PF 82 82 39.3 7.7 15.8 .491 0.0 0.2 .188 7.7 15.6 .495 .492 3.0 4.0 .738 2.7 6.9 9.6 4.2 1.7 1.8 2.3 2.7 18.5 AS,DPOY-11
1998-99 22 MIN NBA PF 47 47 37.9 8.8 19.1 .460 0.1 0.3 .286 8.7 18.9 .463 .462 3.1 4.4 .704 3.5 6.9 10.4 4.3 1.7 1.8 2.9 3.2 20.8 MVP-10,NBA3,DPOY-7

Rasheed's got some memory problems.

Yea not to mention Duncan beat KG in the playoffs in '99. '99 was actually a historic run. The Spurs went 15-2 against their opponents. The only better performance up until that time might have been the '83 Sixers, and that was a manufactured team due to Moses joining them.

[warriorfan]

I don’t do veiled shots. I throw unrecoverable left hooks at jokic…. When I take a shot at him. What i said was a fact….and that goes for any championship team. 2 rings solidifies you. This has nothing to do with “your boy”

:lol

[rmt]

My apologies - I didn't grab TD's 1st year (and so KG's 5th year):

TD
1997-98 21 SAS NBA PF 82 82 39.1 8.6 15.7 .549 0.0 0.1 .000 8.6 15.6 .553 .549 3.9 5.9 .662 3.3 8.6 11.9 2.7 0.7 2.5 3.4 3.1 21.1 MVP-5,NBA1,DEF2,AS,ROY-1,DPOY-5

KG
1999-00 23 MIN NBA PF 81 81 40.0 9.4 18.8 .497 0.4 1.0 .370 9.0 17.8 .504 .507 3.8 5.0 .765 2.8 9.0 11.8 5.0 1.5 1.6 3.3 2.5 22.9 MVP-2,NBA1,DEF1,AS,DPOY-7