Is Jasod Kidd an elite coach now?

[iamgine]

It's his 10th season as a coach now. For someone so genius as a player, he must've improved as a coach during the years. Do you think he's an elite coach now? One of the best coach in the NBA?

[90sgoat]

Seems like it.

[SATAN]

Yes.

[FultzNationRISE]

For this team he sure is.

[1987_Lakers]

I'll never forget how badly he outcoached Monty Williams in the playoffs two years ago.

[Naero]

I’m not sure he’s among the league’s best, but he seems tiers better than he was in Brooklyn and Milwaukee. He must’ve learned a lot shadowing Frank Vogel in LA, especially defensively.

At the very least, it seems plausible enough for him to win a championship as HC now, which was unthinkable 3-5 years ago.

[Rudeboy3]

Defo better than when he was coaching in Milwaukee that's for sure

[BarberSchool]

Jason saw the game in a special way, but he’s never been a great speaker or communicator.

Kyrie arriving and being a senior statesman, with a very young team, and a superstar who at the time Kyrie arrived was likely still 23 years old….

….Kyrie has been a huge help to coach Kidd, and this organization, with his elder statesman leadership tole he has embraced.

When/if Dallas wins the chip this year, I expect J Kidd to give a lot of praise to Kyrie as “an extra coach on the floor” and “an extra coach in the locker room”.

Kyrie in his life, and at this stage of his career, is all about honesty, accountability, insight; sharing, and caring. He’s become a truly great person, not just an all time great scorer/ball-handler.

[ImKobe]

Coaches evolve, just like players. His 1st stint as the Nets' HC wasn't great, but hardly any coach gets it right their first time around unless they're put in a situation where they basically can't fail because of the talent on the team. It took Kidd until his 3rd time around as a HC to really figure it out, but success still starts with the talent on the team. He did a decent job in Milwaukee by all accounts, they just weren't ready to take the next step in 2018, but were still close to beating a Cs squad that went to a Game 7 in the ECF. He technically already has a chip as a coach when he was the assistant on the Lakers in 2020.
There's no doubt that he understands the game better than most coaches, but he had to evolve as a communicator in a HC role.

Luke Walton taking over for Kerr for a period of time in GS proved that talent can carry the coach. Luke ****ing Walton was the HC for half of that historic 72-win season and they went 39 - 4 under him. We saw his actual coaching chops once he got the HC role on the Lakers and on the Kings. Not great.

[Naero]

He did a decent job in Milwaukee by all accounts, they just weren't ready to take the next step in 2018, but were still close to beating a Cs squad that went to a Game 7 in the ECF.

I agree that Kidd's evolved as a HC, but let's not act as if the Bucks didn't underachieve that season. They were definitely talented enough to be better than first-round fodder that year.

Next season under Budenholzer, they were the winningest regular-season team, and they gentleman-swept a healthier version of those Celtics. They also went from middle-of-the-pack to top-tier on the defensive end. All those breakthroughs despite that the only notable roster change was Brook Lopez (granted, a considerable upgrade over John Henson).

I think he mainly needed that assistant-coaching experience before he was ready to take over the helm himself. His IQ was off the charts as a player, but he probably didn't spend enough time on the sidelines studying all the nuances of coaching until he joined Vogel's staff.

[ImKobe]

I agree that Kidd's evolved as a HC, but let's not act as if the Bucks didn't underachieve that season. They were definitely talented enough to be better than first-round fodder that year.

Next season under Budenholzer, they were the winningest regular-season team, and they gentleman-swept a healthier version of those Celtics. They also went from middle-of-the-pack to top-tier on the defensive end. All those breakthroughs despite that the only notable roster change was Brook Lopez (granted, a considerable upgrade over John Henson).

I think he mainly needed that assistant-coaching experience before he was ready to take over the helm himself. His IQ was off the charts as a player, but he probably didn't spend enough time on the sidelines studying all the nuances of coaching until he joined Vogel's staff.

They also improved their roster and Giannis was a year older where he was a better player. I don't think that's necessarily Kidd's fault, the same way those early Mavs seasons really weren't Carlisle's fault that they didn't achieve more in the POs (FO fumbled the bag on building a roster around Luka with the KP move). Brook Lopez didn't go to Milwaukee until the 2019 season and Middleton didn't become what he eventually would be until 2020.

I actually forgot Kidd didn't even finish the 2018 season. He got canned with a 23 - 22 record and they finished 44 - 38, so not much improvement record-wise after his firing that year. They were still below-average on D the first year without Kidd. Bucks really took off once they added Lopez as a 5 who could protect the rim & also space the floor on offense with Giannis also going from an All-Star/2nd team All-NBA caliber player to an MVP-level player & a superstar. Brogdon also improved a bit from his 2nd year in 2018 to the next so yeah I think it was just a matter of their young core guys growing up & adding that missing piece in Brook really.

[ShawkFactory]

Coaches evolve, just like players. His 1st stint as the Nets' HC wasn't great, but hardly any coach gets it right their first time around unless they're put in a situation where they basically can't fail because of the talent on the team. It took Kidd until his 3rd time around as a HC to really figure it out, but success still starts with the talent on the team. He did a decent job in Milwaukee by all accounts, they just weren't ready to take the next step in 2018, but were still close to beating a Cs squad that went to a Game 7 in the ECF. He technically already has a chip as a coach when he was the assistant on the Lakers in 2020.
There's no doubt that he understands the game better than most coaches, but he had to evolve as a communicator in a HC role.

Luke Walton taking over for Kerr for a period of time in GS proved that talent can carry the coach. Luke ****ing Walton was the HC for half of that historic 72-win season and they went 39 - 4 under him. We saw his actual coaching chops once he got the HC role on the Lakers and on the Kings. Not great.

That's kind of a misnomer though. Just because Kerr was "out" doesn't mean that his influence wasn't there. IF he had left the team and gone somewhere else it would have been a different story.

He was still talking to Walton and the guys regularly. Probably daily.

[ImKobe]

That's kind of a misnomer though. Just because Kerr was "out" doesn't mean that his influence wasn't there. IF he had left the team and gone somewhere else it would have been a different story.

He was still talking to Walton and the guys regularly. Probably daily.

Sure, but that's exactly why I think Walton failed as a HC. It definitely raised people's expectations of him, so while it did help him get a HC job in LA and in Sacramento, it also put pressure on him to improve the team right away when he went to coach those teams.

[Jasper]

no ....

I saw games where his team was struggling , and instead of calling time out .. he lets them struggle.

Smart coach's change the momentum, and run a play(.)

[gengiskhan]

he is a good coach.