What happened to Kyrie? Did he mature? Something else?

[Wardell Curry]

I don't think there have been any issues with him in terms of conduct since going to Dallas. What's the deal? He acted like a headcase for the better part of 6 or 7 years and now all of a sudden within 12 months he looks like a model citizen and role model for the younger guys including Luka himself.

Does Dallas treat him differently? Did he just grow up? Did some off the court drama stop?

What did I miss?

Props to Kyrie for turning it around though.

[1987_Lakers]

He had a long talk with LeBron.

[ImKobe]

He was unlucky with the teams he played on. Cavs, Celtics & Nets were all toxic as ****, from the org down to his co-stars. Lebron was more concerned with chasing Jordan and boosting his own brand rather than having Irving's back more, Celtic co-stars were too young & thought they were better than Kyrie after they had that fluke 2018 run vs. a weak EC which drove him away, Nets screwed him over with the COVID stuff and didn't have his back when visiting players were allowed to play while unvaxxed in Brooklyn while Irving wasn't.

He had a few missteps of his own with some of his Twitter posts & the COVID stuff, but he never seemed that immature as a player to me. Always had a good heart & was respectful to others, which is why most of his former teammates still love him despite everything that happened during those seasons.

[1987_Lakers]

He was unlucky with the teams he played on. Cavs, Celtics & Nets were all toxic as ****, from the org down to his co-stars. Lebron was more concerned with chasing Jordan and boosting his own brand rather than having Irving's back more, Celtic co-stars were too young & thought they were better than Kyrie after they had that fluke 2018 run vs. a weak EC which drove him away, Nets screwed him over with the COVID stuff and didn't have his back when visiting players were allowed to play while unvaxxed in Brooklyn while Irving wasn't.

He had a few missteps of his own with some of his Twitter posts & the COVID stuff, but he never seemed that immature as a player to me. Always had a good heart & was respectful to others, which is why most of his former teammates still love him despite everything that happened during those seasons.

Is that why Kyrie called LeBron and apologized to him after he left the Cavs?

[ShawkFactory]

I'm sure maturity is a big part of it, but I think the biggest thing is that he has an enormous amount of respect for, and a great relationship with Kidd.

[ImKobe]

Is that why Kyrie called LeBron and apologized to him after he left the Cavs?

He didn't need to apologize for wanting to be more than just another Bron teammate who got 0 credit and all the blame when they fell short. Can you blame him for feeling a certain way when after he hit the biggest shot in Cavs' history they just slurped Bron non-stop while he got next to no credit from the Klutch media for that 3 - 1 comeback? Irving outperformed Steph in that Finals and hit the shot that won them the series (and played lockdown D on Steph when it mattered most), and was treated like a 2nd-tier star like he got carried or some shit when him & Bron were 1a/1b as scorers in that title run.

The young guys in Boston (Tatum & Rozier) wanted to have a bigger role on offense than Kyrie, but Kyrie was miles ahead of them as a scorer at the time. Idk why it prompted Irving to apologize to Lebron in 2019 but he really shouldn't have. He had the right to want out of the Bron media circus where his teammates would get scapegoated for his losses. The same thing happened to AD in LA, but AD doesn't seem to care about it because he idolizes Lebron.

[1987_Lakers]

He didn't need to apologize for wanting to be more than just another Bron teammate who got 0 credit and all the blame when they fell short. Can you blame him for feeling a certain way when after he hit the biggest shot in Cavs' history they just slurped Bron non-stop while he got next to no credit from the Klutch media for that 3 - 1 comeback? Irving outperformed Steph in that Finals and hit the shot that won them the series (and played lockdown D on Steph when it mattered most), and was treated like a 2nd-tier star like he got carried or some shit when him & Bron were 1a/1b as scorers in that title run.

The young guys in Boston (Tatum & Rozier) wanted to have a bigger role on offense than Kyrie, but Kyrie was miles ahead of them as a scorer at the time. Idk why it prompted Irving to apologize to Lebron in 2019 but he really shouldn't have. He had the right to want out of the Bron media circus where his teammates would get scapegoated for his losses. The same thing happened to AD in LA, but AD doesn't seem to care about it because he idolizes Lebron.

Because he realized leading a team was harder than it looks and he realized Tatum & Rozier were basically him when he was in Cleveland, young immature kids.

[ShawkFactory]

He didn't need to apologize for wanting to be more than just another Bron teammate who got 0 credit and all the blame when they fell short. Can you blame him for feeling a certain way when after he hit the biggest shot in Cavs' history they just slurped Bron non-stop while he got next to no credit from the Klutch media for that 3 - 1 comeback? Irving outperformed Steph in that Finals and hit the shot that won them the series (and played lockdown D on Steph when it mattered most), and was treated like a 2nd-tier star like he got carried or some shit when him & Bron were 1a/1b as scorers in that title run.

The young guys in Boston (Tatum & Rozier) wanted to have a bigger role on offense than Kyrie, but Kyrie was miles ahead of them as a scorer at the time. Idk why it prompted Irving to apologize to Lebron in 2019 but he really shouldn't have. He had the right to want out of the Bron media circus where his teammates would get scapegoated for his losses. The same thing happened to AD in LA, but AD doesn't seem to care about it because he idolizes Lebron.

Why shouldn't he have? Maybe it's possible that he, being in the situation, knew things about it that you don't..

[Soundwave]

Sometimes you can overreact with getting too caught up with a player's behavior. If you ignore it, like Cuban did, they just settle down on their own and start playing basketball (go figure).

I think he likes Luka too, which doesn't hurt. Luka just seems like a very easy going person off the court.

[Real Men Wear Green]

ImKobe posting bs like always. How is making the ECF a fluke when they've done it together 5 out of 7 years? It was the first sign of what they can do together.

I don't know how much Irving has matured but it's possible he's been humbled by the Nets kicking him to the curb. He was extremely entitled, with the worst example being when he left Brooklyn for two weeks without telling the coach or team where he was (sister's birthday). The vaccine mandate issue is understandable and if that was the only controversy I wouldn't say anything but it was part of a constant stream of issues that made him one of the worst signings in league history for Brooklyn. Maturation had to happen. I would be surprised if someone in Dallas didn't quietly make sure he knew that no further garbage would be tolerated.

[Kblaze8855]

Idk why it prompted Irving to apologize to Lebron in 2019 but he really shouldn't have.




perhaps he realized none of the shit you’re talking about really matters to life and it’s better not to live in conflict with people you know and may have considered friends over such things?

How well adjusted would you assume someone is if they sit around concerned about if Kendrick Perkins thinks they were a 2 instead of a 1B?

That’s weirdo obsessive shit. It’s the kind of thing it would appear made Kevin Durant sit around and sign up for burners to defend himself on Twitter.

That isn’t the life a peaceful person with his head on straight and a rational outlook on life and priorities would be living.

You imagine Steve Nash is sitting around upset about who got more credit in Dallas between him and Dirk? Maybe it felt good to beat them later, but that’s just competition. He strikes me as too laid back a person to be stressed out about something like that.

That guy walks around burning sage and reading up on questionable theories about the universe. Maybe he just grew out of the bullshit.

[ImKobe]

Because he realized leading a team was harder than it looks and he realized Tatum & Rozier were basically him when he was in Cleveland, young immature kids.


Why shouldn't he have? Maybe it's possible that he, being in the situation, knew things about it that you don't..

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cavs-reportedly-tried-to-trade-kyrie-irving-before-he-asked-out-of-cleveland/


In mid-June, shortly before Griffin left, team and league sources confirm, the Cavs explored a three-way deal with Phoenix and Indiana that would have shipped Irving and Frye to the Suns and brought Eric Bledsoe and Paul George to Cleveland. The Suns resisted, unwilling to part with their No. 4 pick, which they planned to use to draft Josh Jackson.

No formal offer was made by any of the teams, but news of this potential transaction stung Irving, who, sources close to him say, became convinced that LeBron's camp, which also represents Bledsoe, orchestrated the trade talks.

Team and league sources refute that, saying that it was Griffin who initiated the trade talks with Phoenix. Griffin, who is close with Irving, sensed both his unhappiness and his restlessness and was preparing for the possibility that Irving would request a trade. But once Griffin was no longer employed by the team, the conversations stalled. Cleveland then engaged in talks with Indiana and Denver, according to league sources.

So Irving found out that Lebron and the Cavs tried to trade his ass after he delivered them a championship and put up 29 ppg after that in the 2017 Finals. He forced his way out by threatening to get knee surgery, which would have ruined the Cavs' chances of contending for a title in 2018.

It's not the same situation as the Boston one at all. The young guys in Boston had really done nothing except beat an inexperienced Bucks' team with an interim HC and a team with an injured Embiid & Bum Simmons, and all of a sudden those guys thought they deserved to have a bigger role than Irving.

Like I said, Kyrie did not need to apologize when he got little respect from Bron & the franchise that drafted him after he delivered them a championship.

[ShawkFactory]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cavs-reportedly-tried-to-trade-kyrie-irving-before-he-asked-out-of-cleveland/



So Irving found out that Lebron and the Cavs tried to trade his ass after he delivered them a championship and put up 29 ppg after that in the 2017 Finals. He forced his way out by threatening to get knee surgery, which would have ruined the Cavs' chances of contending for a title in 2018.

It's not the same situation as the Boston one at all. The young guys in Boston had really done nothing except beat an inexperienced Bucks' team with an interim HC and a team with an injured Embiid & Bum Simmons, and all of a sudden those guys thought they deserved to have a bigger role than Irving.

Like I said, Kyrie did not need to apologize when he got little respect from Bron & the franchise that drafted him after he delivered them a championship.

The Lebron part is complete hearsay. And based on that snippet it appears as though the trade talks were defensive based on vibes that Kyrie was putting out in general.

So again..you don’t know what happened and Kyrie does. If he felt the need to apologize I’m sure there was a reason for it.

[ImKobe]

The Lebron part is complete hearsay. And based on that snippet it appears as though the trade talks were defensive based on vibes that Kyrie was putting out in general.

So again..you don’t know what happened and Kyrie does. If he felt the need to apologize I’m sure there was a reason for it.

Yeah, I'm sure it was all hearsay lol.. Cavs tried to deflect and blame it on their former GM after the fact but suuure, never happened, and LeGM sure as hell had no involvement in it! I guess you must have missed the part where team & league sources said that Griffin initiated talks huh. With how involved Lebron was there's no way he had 0 knowledge of that happening, you can bet your ass he told the FO that they could trade both Love & Irving if they had to.

[ShawkFactory]

Yeah, I'm sure it was all hearsay lol.. Cavs tried to deflect and blame it on their former GM after the fact but suuure, never happened, and LeGM sure as hell had no involvement in it! I guess you must have missed the part where team & league sources said that Griffin initiated talks huh. With how involved Lebron was there's no way he had 0 knowledge of that happening, you can bet your ass he told the FO that they could trade both Love & Irving if they had to.

I’m not saying anything for sure. I don’t know what happened. Neither do you.

You know who does? Kyrie.

[90sgoat]

Just seemed like he mellowed out more and have come to enjoy being more part of a team than thinking he has to play for himself all the time.

[ArbitraryWater]

He didn't need to apologize for wanting to be more than just another Bron teammate who got 0 credit and all the blame when they fell short. Can you blame him for feeling a certain way when after he hit the biggest shot in Cavs' history they just slurped Bron non-stop while he got next to no credit from the Klutch media for that 3 - 1 comeback? Irving outperformed Steph in that Finals and hit the shot that won them the series (and played lockdown D on Steph when it mattered most), and was treated like a 2nd-tier star like he got carried or some shit when him & Bron were 1a/1b as scorers in that title run.

The young guys in Boston (Tatum & Rozier) wanted to have a bigger role on offense than Kyrie, but Kyrie was miles ahead of them as a scorer at the time. Idk why it prompted Irving to apologize to Lebron in 2019 but he really shouldn't have. He had the right to want out of the Bron media circus where his teammates would get scapegoated for his losses. The same thing happened to AD in LA, but AD doesn't seem to care about it because he idolizes Lebron.


Hilarious to see you tell Kyrie he doesnt need to apologize when you have 0 ****ing clue about what happened or he did.

How does one develop such ignorance?

[tpols]

That guy walks around burning sage and reading up on questionable theories about the universe. Maybe he just grew out of the bullshit.

Or maybe he realized trying to convince NPCs (like yourself) of how things work isn't worth it because he gets clowned for it anyway.

And yea... he's playing on a great team. So they're winning lol

[imdaman99]

He realized with all the injustice happening in Gaza, there are more important things in life

[Hey Yo]

He was unlucky with the teams he played on. Cavs, Celtics & Nets were all toxic as ****, from the org down to his co-stars. Lebron was more concerned with chasing Jordan and boosting his own brand rather than having Irving's back more, Celtic co-stars were too young & thought they were better than Kyrie after they had that fluke 2018 run vs. a weak EC which drove him away, Nets screwed him over with the COVID stuff and didn't have his back when visiting players were allowed to play while unvaxxed in Brooklyn while Irving wasn't.

He had a few missteps of his own with some of his Twitter posts & the COVID stuff, but he never seemed that immature as a player to me. Always had a good heart & was respectful to others, which is why most of his former teammates still love him despite everything that happened during those seasons.

Your boy told him he had to get away from LeBron (like he did Shaq) and do his own thing. Then it crashed and burned for him cause afterall of that, he came to his senses that his role will always be a great sidekick.

[FultzNationRISE]

He had a long talk with LeBron.


Bingo.

[Jasper]

unfortunately when they play Celtics , he will have to cover Brown or Holiday ,, who will back him down.

[ImKobe]

Hilarious to see you tell Kyrie he doesnt need to apologize when you have 0 ****ing clue about what happened or he did.

How does one develop such ignorance?

What do you mean 0 clue? It's obvious that he apologized because of how he left Cleveland. He had legitimate reasons for it. They were involving him in trade talks. I know that initially Love was going to be traded to Denver in a 3-team trade where the Cavs would have gotten Paul George, and had that happened I think Irving would have stayed on the Cavs, but once Pacers backed out of the deal, the Cavs apparently started including Irving in trade talks behind his back and that's what led to him requesting the trade and forcing his way out.


In the week after the end of the Finals, two events took place: George informed the Indiana Pacers he did not plan to re-sign with them, and he entered the trade market full force. And Griffin and Gilbert were unable to come to terms on a contract. Griffin left the franchise, along with assistant GM Trent Redden.

What followed was a whirlwind, with the Cavs putting forth a series of trade packages looking to acquire either Butler or George. Some of these talks included Irving, which upset him even more when he found out about it, sources said. Previously, Griffin had worked to keep lines of communication with Irving open, but now Irving was in the dark.

source: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20127818/nba-weeks-dysfunction-surrounding-kyrie-irving-trade-demand

Like, are we going to pretend like Lebron was an awesome teammate to his co-stars? He had Wade and Bosh both take pay cuts in 2014, thinking that they'd build another great team around the Big 3, only for Lebron to leave them in FA without even letting them know beforehand. That actually happened.

Irving wanted out, he wanted his own team. He got what he wanted. It didn't work out because he got injured and once the young guys tasted some success in his absence they turned on him & he felt like he needed to apologize to Lebron. The end.

[Hoon]

Maybe it’s the Texas BBQ, the team’s vibe, or just growing up. Whatever it is, props to Kyrie for turning it around and setting a great example for Luka and the team!

[Real Men Wear Green]

unfortunately when they play Celtics , he will have to cover Brown or Holiday ,, who will back him down. They'll try to keep him on White and Pritchard. Irving is capable of respectable defense on point guards. Of course the Celtics will try to force him into mismatches.

[ShawkFactory]

What do you mean 0 clue? It's obvious that he apologized because of how he left Cleveland. He had legitimate reasons for it. They were involving him in trade talks. I know that initially Love was going to be traded to Denver in a 3-team trade where the Cavs would have gotten Paul George, and had that happened I think Irving would have stayed on the Cavs, but once Pacers backed out of the deal, the Cavs apparently started including Irving in trade talks behind his back and that's what led to him requesting the trade and forcing his way out.



source: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20127818/nba-weeks-dysfunction-surrounding-kyrie-irving-trade-demand

Like, are we going to pretend like Lebron was an awesome teammate to his co-stars? He had Wade and Bosh both take pay cuts in 2014, thinking that they'd build another great team around the Big 3, only for Lebron to leave them in FA without even letting them know beforehand. That actually happened.

Irving wanted out, he wanted his own team. He got what he wanted. It didn't work out because he got injured and once the young guys tasted some success in his absence they turned on him & he felt like he needed to apologize to Lebron. The end.

The only person pretending here is you. It’s weird that I now have to say this for the 4th time but you don’t know what the relationship was actually like.

Kyrie is not a championship first option and/or leader and best player. As good as he is, maybe he thought he could be. And realized he was wrong.

I’m just speculating here, and not attributing my thoughts on the matter as fact.

[Kblaze8855]

Or maybe he realized trying to convince NPCs (like yourself) of how things work isn't worth it because he gets clowned for it anyway.

And yea... he's playing on a great team. So they're winning lol


Kyrie seems like a tremendous number of people I came up around who considered themselves black Israelites and were Muslim and either in or closely affiliated with the 5% nation. I’ve probably known dozens of this guy. They just didn’t play basketball. They don’t know how things work any better than anybody else does. They burn sage buy black soap at the flea market. Occasionally change their names to end in El or Bey….. Talk about what people should put in their bodies. Tend to advocate eating cleanly as the only necessary medicine. A weird number of them talk about things like flat earth and a great many are against vaccines. And all of that was decades ago.

They talk about being sovereign citizens and native Americans and what degree Mason they are and all that. I’ve dealt with with more Kyries than you would believe, and even the intelligent ones have never said anything I needed to hear twice. Doesn’t stop them from repeating it though.

Kyrie Irving style weirdos with faded books with yellowing pages they carry around in book bags While they watch weird black Israelite videos on the Internet and meet with similar people while trying to get their families involved.

Nothing about him is shocking to people where I’m from. We all know a few.

[ImKobe]

The only person pretending here is you. It’s weird that I now have to say this for the 4th time but you don’t know what the relationship was actually like.

Kyrie is not a championship first option and/or leader and best player. As good as he is, maybe he thought he could be. And realized he was wrong.

I’m just speculating here, and not attributing my thoughts on the matter as fact.

Literally what I said in the post you just quoted lol. Of course he wanted a shot at being the leader of his own team. He didn't get a fair one in Cleveland.

He was good enough to be that guy in Boston prior to the knee stuff in 2018, unless you think they'd have been worse off that year with him leading the charge instead of "Scary Terry".



Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com reported Irving threatened to first sit out training camp and then undergo surgery that would keep him out most—if not all—of the season. The report says Irving needs a clean-up procedure on his right knee, in which he suffered a broken kneecap during the 2015 NBA Finals. That procedure will in all likelihood be done this offseason.

Irving requested a trade this summer in part due to his displeasure playing next to LeBron James and because the Cavaliers floated his name in talks trying to acquire Paul George. The Cavs eventually sent him to the Boston Celtics in exchange for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, the Brooklyn Nets' 2018 first-round pick and a second-round pick—a move that has backfired for Cleveland.

Tell me what am I making up here? You think he had something else to apologize for? You don't think it was because of how he forced his way out of Cleveland? What secret story am I missing here?

Yeah, I don't think that's something he should have apologized to Lebron for, who's known to leave his teammates in the dust and trading whoever to further his own agenda. I don't blame Kyrie one bit for forcing his way out with how inept that Cavs' organization was that off-season, and how toxic it was for him to play with Lebron.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I know Irving is Muslim but I had just assumed he wasn't a 5%er...be hilarious with some of these right wing idiots boosting him up if it turned out he believes in the story of Yakub.

[tpols]

Talk about what people should put in their bodies. Tend to advocate eating cleanly as the only necessary medicine.


Thats... not wierd. That's common sense.

This whole world is ****ed.

[ShawkFactory]

Literally what I said in the post you just quoted lol. Of course he wanted a shot at being the leader of his own team. He didn't get a fair one in Cleveland.

He was good enough to be that guy in Boston prior to the knee stuff in 2018, unless you think they'd have been worse off that year with him leading the charge instead of "Scary Terry".




Tell me what am I making up here? You think he had something else to apologize for? You don't think it was because of how he forced his way out of Cleveland? What secret story am I missing here?

Yeah, I don't think that's something he should have apologized to Lebron for, who's known to leave his teammates in the dust and trading whoever to further his own agenda. I don't blame Kyrie one bit for forcing his way out with how inept that Cavs' organization was that off-season, and how toxic it was for him to play with Lebron.

I don’t know. I’ve never given the indication that I do. That’s the whole fvcking point dude..

[Real Men Wear Green]

He was good enough to be that guy in Boston prior to the knee stuff in 2018, unless you think they'd have been worse off that year with him leading the charge instead of "Scary Terry". He was probably the best score but he led the Celtics nowhere near a championship. The team did better with Rozier starting. Wasn't entirely Irving's fault but that's a fact.

[ImKobe]

He was probably the best score but he led the Celtics nowhere near a championship. The team did better with Rozier starting. Wasn't entirely Irving's fault but that's a fact.

Bro he got fking injured in 2018, when they'd have easily been a Finals team with a healthy Irving in the weak ass EC that year. They had no chemistry issues the first season.


I don’t know. I’ve never given the indication that I do. That’s the whole fvcking point dude..

??


“I had to call 'Bron, and tell him I apologize for being that young player that wanted everything at his fingertips,” Irving said after the Celtics beat the Toronto Raptors 118-107 on Wednesday night. “I wanted to be the guy that led us to a championship. I wanted to be the leader. I wanted to be all that.”


Yeah?

I do my research.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Bro he got fking injured in 2018, when they'd have easily been a Finals team with a healthy Irving in the weak ass EC that year. They had no chemistry issues the first season.
They got to the conference finals because Tatum and Brown grew up faster than they would have as his three and d support. It's definitely not a sure thing.

[8Ball]

I don't think there have been any issues with him in terms of conduct since going to Dallas. What's the deal? He acted like a headcase for the better part of 6 or 7 years and now all of a sudden within 12 months he looks like a model citizen and role model for the younger guys including Luka himself.

Does Dallas treat him differently? Did he just grow up? Did some off the court drama stop?

What did I miss?

Props to Kyrie for turning it around though.

Nothing. He has never changed.


His style of game meshes very well with Luka who is a natural playmaker.


Put Kyrie next to Durant and see how that goes.

[Axe]

I still barely respect him for what he did since leaving cleveland in 2017.

[Axe]

Bro he got fking injured in 2018, when they'd have easily been a Finals team with a healthy Irving in the weak ass EC that year. They had no chemistry issues the first season.



??




Yeah?

I do my research.
Yet when he came back to play next year, the Cs got steamrolled by milwaukee in the second round 5 years ago. Nice try tho.

[ImKobe]

Yet when he came back to play next year, the Cs got steamrolled by milwaukee in the second round 5 years ago. Nice try tho.

Next year, when the Bucks were a significantly better team with the Brook Lopez addition and a new HC?

Nice low-effort troll post reply tho.

[Axe]

Why did the Cs win less games in the rs during his 2nd season with them, when he played slightly more games at the same time?

Stop slurping on him ffs lol.

[BarberSchool]

I know Irving is Muslim but I had just assumed he wasn't a 5%er...be hilarious with some of these right wing idiots boosting him up if it turned out he believes in the story of Yakub.Its the normal progression for most every 5%er to eventually become a Sunni. I would say 85% :lol:lol:oldlol: of my high school & college friends who were 5%ers became sunni before they turned 30. I was always around those circles just because of common Taste in music and lifestyle, but I knew by the age of 14-15 it was just kind of a personality cult pushing perverted versions of Islamic life ritual, with egomaniac affirmations to boost confidence for people who don’t find actual history to be a comfortable story for them and their sense of self. So they are naturally attracted to the quick overconfidence and social exclusivity type BS, when somebody puts them on to knowledge of self.

Blaze is mostly talking about the type of 5%ers who became a 5%er in prison. It’s not the black soap and dietary fads that caused them wander aimlessly, it was their starting raw material. Kyrie is more like the type of dude who became a 5%er when he was an aspiring high vocabulary rapper as a teenager, and the rap politics of those circles led him that way..

Kyrie is a high quality person,and while his head isn’t on completely straight all the time, dude relishes in being respectful and respected. He was never “crazy”, they were. Kyrie just lacked trust in a lot of institutions and traditions, or “norms” because a few of them turned out to be such monumental lies, that it sends people into a space where they find it hard to trust authority at all for a while.

Hell, it’s not even that farfetched to compare his time in squads with mega toxic ownership, who treated him God knows how behind the scenes, especially during the Covid shot episode….where opposing teams unvaccinated could play in NYC, but he couldn’t …. That could psychologically be equated to his own “sentence”, albeit just mentally. We all know dudes who come home physically, but are still locked up mentally … and once those dudes find peace and love, and “come home mentally” a switch flips, and they want to spread it.

Spread it with the same “quasi-religious” fervor they did when they first got knowledge of self, but with way more confidence, because their newfound peace and love is actually 100% REAL.

Kyrie is in that place right now, and it’s a great place for him.

[ImKobe]

Why did the Cs win less games in the rs during his 2nd season with them, when he played slightly more games at the same time?

Stop slurping on him ffs lol.

Irving individually played better his 2nd season than his 1st, but they lost a bunch of games trying to incorporate Gordon Hayward into that offense. Remember, they added both Irving and Hayward in 2018, and Hayward got injured 1st game of the season.

Gordon Hayward was terrible once he was healthy enough to play again as he made them worse on both O and D, and that + Irving returning meant those guys that just got to the ECF without them were now getting less touches, and it led to chemistry problems. They lost a bunch of close games that year. Just too many guys who wanted to have the ball on that team.

[warriorfan]

A big part of it that he said (but we already knew) in the press conference after game six…he enjoyed a lot of trips to the finals as a young player and took it for granted a bit. he got a bit spoiled. he has such insane talent it seemed to him like he belonged there every time and he will simply wind up there every time. he had to cut his teeth the last few years with these different teams and figured it out that making it deep into the playoffs is a very difficult thing. he’s been doing all the right things as of late and has looked great. it’s been nice to see him have success in dallas, i’m not gonna lie I was a bit skeptical when they traded for him but have been proven wrong. kyrie is one of the most entertaining players to ever play. it’s hard for a real basketball fan to not be a fan of kyrie

[SATAN]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cavs-reportedly-tried-to-trade-kyrie-irving-before-he-asked-out-of-cleveland/


No formal offer was made by any of the teams, but news of this potential transaction stung Irving, who, sources close to him say, became convinced that LeBron's camp, which also represents Bledsoe, orchestrated the trade talks.

Team and league sources refute that, saying that it was Griffin who initiated the trade talks with Phoenix. Griffin, who is close with Irving, sensed both his unhappiness and his restlessness and was preparing for the possibility that Irving would request a trade. But once Griffin was no longer employed by the team, the conversations stalled. Cleveland then engaged in talks with Indiana and Denver, according to league sources.

So Irving found out that Lebron and the Cavs tried to trade his ass

You are not good at this. :lol

Anyway, Kyrie is 32 now. People who are humble and open to growing tend not to stay stagnant in their mindset and attitude. And also what 1987_Lakers said. I'm sure LeCounsellor helped him.

[ImKobe]

You are not good at this. :lol

Anyway, Kyrie is 32 now. People who are humble and open to growing tend not to stay stagnant in their mindset and attitude. And also what 1987_Lakers said. I'm sure LeCounsellor helped him.

It clearly shows that they tried to backdoor him, and later on they tried to save face by putting the blame on the GM that they failed to re-sign in that off-season, which resulted in them messing up all those potential trades while also pissing off both Lebron and Kyrie in the process.

Truth is that the Cavs' org massively fumbled the Bron & Irving situation, and Bron played a part in it as he was consulted on all the potential trades. Paul George confirms this himself:


“I thought I was gonna go to Cleveland,” George shared. “Cleveland was close to getting me with ’Bron there.”

According to George, Dahntay Jones, a former teammate and friend of LeBron, played the role of middleman, and took Paul to LeBron’s house to finalize the deal in person.

“I’m chopping it up with ’Bron, like ‘Yo, how can we make this work?’” George recalled. “We’re trying to figure it out; he’s going back to [Cavs management], telling them how to get me. So I’m thinking like, ‘Oh, OK, we might make this happen. I might be with ’Bron over here in Cleveland.’”

[SATAN]

So useless Cavs consider making a trade and fumble it, Kyrie hears about it and starts acting like a headcase but his teammates should be fine with the cancer in the lockeroom. Got it.

Nice tpols impression btw.

[Axe]

Irving individually played better his 2nd season than his 1st, but they lost a bunch of games trying to incorporate Gordon Hayward into that offense. Remember, they added both Irving and Hayward in 2018, and Hayward got injured 1st game of the season.

Gordon Hayward was terrible once he was healthy enough to play again as he made them worse on both O and D, and that + Irving returning meant those guys that just got to the ECF without them were now getting less touches, and it led to chemistry problems. They lost a bunch of close games that year. Just too many guys who wanted to have the ball on that team.
Yeah, it must always be the fault of his teammates. Not him...

[ImKobe]

So useless Cavs consider making a trade and fumble it, Kyrie hears about it and starts acting like a headcase but his teammates should be fine with the cancer in the lockeroom. Got it.

Nice tpols impression btw.

Imagine being the #1 pick of your franchise and delivering them a championship and finding out that they're trying to get rid of you.. You can understand why he'd be upset, plus at least one of those leaks of a potential Kyrie trade had him going to a fking 20-win Phoenix team.


Yeah, it must always be the fault of his teammates. Not him...

You asked why they were worse in the 2nd season.. Kyrie's own production was fine (finished All-NBA 2nd Team), he actually became more of a playmaker for that team. Their issues didn't stem from his play on the court in that RS. Guys just weren't happy with their roles. Is that really his fault? He was supposed to be the #1 option and the star on the team.