Since Lebron fans say the triangle saved MJ, why didn't Bron run triangle & win 6??

[3ba11]

All you need is an all-time turnaround jumper, triple-threat game, off-ball and mid-range touch and footwork... Being able to dominate without dribbling.. No screen roll action.

[SouBeachTalents]

He didn't have a team that could win 55 without him with 3 HOF's & the GOAT coach, and he wasn't playing teams in the Finals who's 2nd option was barely cracking 10 ppg.

[3ba11]

He didn't have a team that could win 55 without him with 3 HOF's & the GOAT coach, and he wasn't playing teams in the Finals who's 2nd option was barely cracking 10 ppg.


Phil was a 1st time nobody coach when MJ first won with him and the triangle is known as a joke offense that is universally rejected and an embarrassment everywhere outside of MJ and Kobe.. MJ made Phil and his trash offense famous.

Btw, once opponents woke up and the placebo effect ended in the 94' Playoffs, the "real" Bulls without MJ were borderline .500 in 95' before MJ restored 3-peat..The Bulls had to 3-peat first before they could win 55 in the perfect definition of a fluke one-off.. The addition of Kukoc single-handedly won 4 games at the buzzer and 10 more in crunch-time - Kukoc was a "closer" that MJ never had previously

[FultzNationRISE]

Because HE TAKES THE HARDEST ****ING ROAD, ASSHOLE.

If he wanted to just win 'scheme titles' like MJ he could have persuaded the GOAT Coach to come and join him.

Lebron wanted to win by playing the best basketball, not having the best system.

****ing DEAL WITH IT BRO, BEFORE I KICK YOUR ****ING ASS

[SouBeachTalents]

Phil was a 1st time nobody coach when MJ first won with him and the triangle is known as a joke offense that is universally rejected and an embarrassment everywhere outside of MJ and Kobe.. MJ made Phil and his trash offense famous.

Btw, once opponents woke up and the placebo effect ended in the 94' Playoffs, the "real" Bulls without MJ were borderline .500 in 95' before MJ restored 3-peat..The Bulls had to 3-peat first before they could win 55 in the perfect definition of a fluke one-off.. The addition of Kukoc single-handedly won 4 games at the buzzer and 10 more in crunch-time - Kukoc was a "closer" that MJ never had previously
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[3ba11]

Because HE TAKES THE HARDEST ****ING ROAD, ASSHOLE.

If he wanted to just win 'scheme titles' like MJ he could have persuaded the GOAT Coach to come and join him.

Lebron wanted to win by playing the best basketball, not having the best system.

****ing DEAL WITH IT BRO, BEFORE I KICK YOUR ****ING ASS


You dummies don't get it - Lebron can't run the triangle because he lacks the skill to play that way, AND the triangle is a trash offense and massive embarrassment that everyone rejected, except MJ and his clone

[gengiskhan]

All you need is an all-time turnaround jumper, triple-threat game, off-ball and mid-range touch and footwork... Being able to dominate without dribbling.. No screen roll action.

I had an opportunity to see 90s MJs career.

It was not triangle offense that saved him or gave him 6 rings. That is just envious fans GOAT hating argument because their pre-madonna be it Kobe or LBJ or Wade choked more often than not.

MJ embraced Triangle offense just like He embraced UNCs 4 corner offense.

Both offenses resulted in championship because MJ saw how efficiently and effectively his skillset can dominate the offensive system itself.

My point is, Just think about it. MJ shot almost 50%FG in 15 reg seasons. MJ shot 49%FG approx in 179 playoffs. MJ shot 48%FG approx in 6 Finals.

That is just MINUS 1% of drop when defenses got much better and better and stat padding is just not possible. Just 1% drop in FG%.

MJ is so off the chart GOAT wise, its not even a real argument.

[sdot_thadon]

Because the triangle was no longer feasible in the modern nba and in the time frame of his career he was far more successful than the triangle on all the teams that ran it combined.... lol

[ShawkFactory]

Obviously because the triangle is archaic and wouldn’t work anymore.

[gengiskhan]

Because the triangle was no longer feasible in the modern nba and in the time frame of his career he was far more successful than the triangle on all the teams that ran it combined.... lol

Jordan's offensive game had NO weankess. this is what T offense benefitted from.

He was brilliant in post. He was brilliant on foot work. He was brilliant with soft hands and ball control. He was brilliant in spot up shots. He was brilliant on pull-ups. That deadly mid-range game that everyone talks about.

Shaq's laziness costed LAL also. Shaq had no problem being the most dominant force after Wilt. He should've won 5 straight rings.

Kobe's inefficiency and poor shot selection and ball hogging hero ball and average decision making literally sabotaged the 2004 ring that LA should've won in 6 games. Sheed-billups-ben trio were just as much competition as 2000 pacers that lost in 6 games finals. This should've been the result had Shaq collected the 2004 FMVP.

2000 kobe poor performance did not affect 2000 LAL finals as much because he understood the dominance comes from Shaq's unstoppable paint job.
2004 Kobe shted on this and funny thing is Shaq and Phil let kobe do this. All 3 are to blame and Shaq not having 5th ring.

[sdot_thadon]

Jordan's offensive game had NO weankess. this is what T offense benefitted from.

He was brilliant in post. He was brilliant on foot work. He was brilliant with soft hands and ball control. He was brilliant in spot up shots. He was brilliant on pull-ups. That deadly mid-range game that everyone talks about.

Shaq's laziness costed LAL also. Shaq had no problem being the most dominant force after Wilt. He should've won 5 straight rings.

Kobe's inefficiency and poor shot selection and ball hogging hero ball and average decision making literally sabotaged the 2004 ring that LA should've won in 6 games. Sheed-billups-ben trio were just as much competition as 2000 pacers that lost in 6 games finals. This should've been the result had Shaq collected the 2004 FMVP.

2000 kobe poor performance did not affect 2000 LAL finals as much because he understood the dominance comes from Shaq's unstoppable paint job.
2004 Kobe shted on this and funny thing is Shaq and Phil let kobe do this. All 3 are to blame and Shaq not having 5th ring.

Melo had most of those same traits, amd was bigger/stronger to boot yet he couldn't do shit with the triangle. It' got outdated once nobody saw value in mid range anymore.

[warriorfan]

All you need is an all-time turnaround jumper, triple-threat game, off-ball and mid-range touch and footwork... Being able to dominate without dribbling.. No screen roll action.

he both didn’t have the skill set and also didn’t want the sacrifice of box score statistics

bron plays for the box score not to win

[Im Still Ballin]

he both didn’t have the skill set and also didn’t want the sacrifice of box score statistics

bron plays for the box score not to win

Agreed. He's never had a good enough mid-range shot or a deep enough bag to thrive in a triple-post offense. The Triangle crowds the paint and LeBron doesn't do well when he lacks space. Shai, Kawhi, Luka, Kyrie, etc would all do well.

[Im Still Ballin]

The triangle can definitely work today. Like with any system, you need the correct personnel. It sacrifices spacing for offensive rebounding and quick passing and cutting opportunities in the paint. It's also more dynamic and naturally blends in isolation plays.

It's also not rigid; it can fit perimeter players as well as post-up bigs. The split cuts and screening actions make for great movement shooting opportunities.

[Phoenix]

I salute those who actually take the time to give the OP legit replies.

[3ba11]

Obviously because the triangle is archaic and wouldn’t work anymore.


It worked in 2010 and the game didn't move into full 3-point contest mode until 2015, so Lebron had 11 years to run it..

And then he could've just run the Curry system from 2015 onwards since he already had Kyrie plus Wiggins that Curry won with (before trading him for Love).

Of course the reality is that Lebron lacks the skills to run a mid-range system (triangle), or a 3-point system (Curry)... Lebron isn't elite at either, so he can only run the down-hill ball-domination system - this isn't 5-man basketball, so it doesn't produce the great chemistry needed for great-performing casts, aka great teams.. Accordingly, the weaker teams that his skillset produces have a lottery record on the championship level, regardless of cast

[1987_Lakers]

Obviously because the triangle is archaic and wouldn’t work anymore.

This. Today's league is all about spacing, the triangle is an outdated offense.

Knicks ran it when Phil Jackson was the GM and it was a disaster.

[Im Still Ballin]

This. Today's league is all about spacing, the triangle is an outdated offense.

Knicks ran it when Phil Jackson was the GM and it was a disaster.

That had more to do with NYK's personnel. They were no better for several seasons after he was gone. It wasn't until Thibs arrived that a turnaround occurred.

[RogueBorg]

If the Triangle was so great more teams would use it.

Kobe and MJ made the Triangle what it was, not the other way around.

[Hey Yo]

If the Triangle was so great more teams would use it.

Kobe and MJ made the Triangle what it was, not the other way around.

Why didn't Kobe use it from 05-07 and why didn't MJ in his Wizards days to make their teams more successful?

[sdot_thadon]

If the Triangle was so great more teams would use it.

Kobe and MJ made the Triangle what it was, not the other way around.

I think it was great for the time it was implemented, the game evolved and then it wasn't. Same with Miami's system they ran with the big 3 or Goldenstate's lightyears offense. Everything has its time, even players lol.

[Im Still Ballin]

I think it was great for the time it was implemented, the game evolved and then it wasn't. Same with Miami's system they ran with the big 3 or Goldenstate's lightyears offense. Everything has its time, even players lol.

Miami's big-three system was just a four/five-out drive and kick. GSW's offense was a hybrid triangle offense heavy with off-screens, split cuts, and pinch-post/passing from the post. Neither are outdated at all.

[sdot_thadon]

Miami's big-three system was just a four/five-out drive and kick. GSW's offense was a hybrid triangle offense heavy with off-screens, split cuts, and pinch-post/passing from the post. Neither are outdated at all.

In the sense of no longer being special they are. They aren't schemes now that standout like they did in the years they won chips because they've been cannibalized and repurposed.

[sd3035]

Lebald only has 3 moves. The travel, push off, and ref whistle

[3ba11]

This. Today's league is all about spacing, the triangle is an outdated offense.

Knicks ran it when Phil Jackson was the GM and it was a disaster.


The triangle won in 2010 and the league didn't turn into a 3-point contest until about 2017 or so.

so he had a lot of time to run it

he simply lacks the skill to run a mid-range offense like the triangle and he also can't run a ball movement system like curry or duncan's system.. so that's why lebron is infeiror - lebron's system of ball-dominance is inferior to curry, duncan, mj or kobe's system of ball movement

[sdot_thadon]

The triangle won in 2010 and the league didn't turn into a 3-point contest until about 2017 or so.

so he had a lot of time to run it

he simply lacks the skill to run a mid-range offense like the triangle and he also can't run a ball movement system like curry or duncan's system.. so that's why lebron is infeiror - lebron's system of ball-dominance is inferior to curry, duncan, mj or kobe's system of ball movement

Umm he ran in a system in Miami and played some of the best ball of his life. Try again. Melo had similar qualities to Mj offensively and couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag running the triangle.

[Phoenix]

In the sense of no longer being special they are. They aren't schemes now that standout like they did in the years they won chips because they've been cannibalized and repurposed.

And they had the necessary personnel. You can't put worse shooters than Steph, Klay and KD on those teams and mirror the same success. Even with this years Warriors, Steph being 85% percent of what he was 6-7 years ago is off-set by Klay being 60% of what he was( just throwing percentages, but you get the idea). People( not yourself, you're well-versed) underestimate the synergy needed between coaching, system and players/skillsets to maximize a team.

[3ba11]

Umm he ran in a system in Miami and played some of the best ball of his life. Try again. Melo had similar qualities to Mj offensively and couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag running the triangle.


lebron's system of ball-dominance is inferior to curry, duncan, mj or kobe's system of ball movement, so it won much less and was extremely beatable by many opponents... lebron mostly loses regardless of cast due to inferior brand of ball..

His down-hill skillset isn't 5 man basketball, so it can't develop the great chemistry needed for a great performing cast, aka great team