I really need Kyrie to make the Finals to SOLIDIFY all my narratives

[3ba11]

It's cool to wait for time to pass and prove all your narrative correct... and this is a big one

It's already pretty solid that Lebron needed a champion in Wade to teach him how to win, but now he'll need a sidekick that makes the Finals without him to win as 1st option.. that's huge..

Kyrie making the Finals kills the goat debate for good

Yeah I know 1-9 who cares blah blah

[CurryOverLebron]

Pippen almost made finals with portland

[ShawkFactory]

who cares

Now you're getting it.

[Soundwave]

Pippen almost made finals with portland

That team was loaded with talent though.

Rasheed Wallace, Steve Smith, Stoudamire, Sabonis, even had Jermaine O'Neal though they didn't use him on top of Pippen.

[hateraid]

Any outcome fits your narrative you fool

[tontoz]

Heads i win, tails you lose.

[beasted]

Heads i win, tails you lose.

This.

Boomerang logic.

[Axe]

Any outcome fits your narrative you fool
:oldlol:

[Wardell Curry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euPiKKMsR8E

[AlternativeAcc.]

He's won without Irving

Jordan literally won nothing without Pippen... zilch.. nada.

[sdot_thadon]

That team was loaded with talent though.

Rasheed Wallace, Steve Smith, Stoudamire, Sabonis, even had Jermaine O'Neal though they didn't use him on top of Pippen.

Almost every team that makes the finals is loaded with talent. You can't hate the dude this much or love his teammate this much.....

[sdot_thadon]

Heads i win, tails you lose.

Sounds about right for 3boy. And here I thought this thread was going to be about chest to chest layups or navigational efficiency or some other retard trope.

[NBAGOAT]

In what world is Kyrie the 1st option lol. Lukas even more of a 1st option than bron was. Ik you’re caught in a dilemma because agreeing with me means downplaying bron lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Kyrie can make the Finals, he can win the championship, he can even be FMVP, it won’t change the fact that 10 years from now, barring a suicide, you’ll still be here making LeBron threads.

[RRR3]

If the Mavs blow a 3-0 lead you'll just switch to "Tatum winning proves LeBron sucks"

[3ba11]

Any outcome fits your narrative you fool


lol

but false

if Ant wins the title, it would kill my narrative because the "down-hill" skillset isn't supposed to beat the expert jumpshooting skillset that allows great chemistry development over time (Tatum)..

if luka wins, it's true that the kyrie aspect makes it different - he's the key that unlocks the otherwise losing ball-dominant skillset (Luka, Lebron).

[ShawkFactory]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euPiKKMsR8E

:lol

[j3lademaster]

You’d think an MJ Stan would like players who got better in the playoffs. That’s literally MJ’s whole goat schtick, he got better in the playoffs and took it into 6th gear in the finals.

[jlip]

The GOAT debate ended when MJ's teammate, Horace Grant, had the greatest playoff series of his career in 1995 eliminating MJ en route to making the finals that year. Again, Grant didn't just make the finals, he literally eliminated MJ in the process of making the finals.

(See how easy that was?)

Also, I'm trying to figure out when did just "making the finals" all of a sudden become an accomplishment in the eyes of certain fans. Last I heard, from 2011- 2020, just making the finals was not good enough. As a matter of fact, I kept hearing that it was better to lose before the finals those years than to actually make the finals and lose. What changed? I can't quite put my finger on it.

[ArbitraryWater]

That team was loaded with talent though.

Rasheed Wallace, Steve Smith, Stoudamire, Sabonis, even had Jermaine O'Neal though they didn't use him on top of Pippen.

You could make the argument Pip was their best player.

Kyrie is a sidekick, making this pretty irrelevant

[3ba11]

You could make the argument Pip was their best player.




https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaDJ6emtrdzZjZzd3NHZha3M0emdmenZ rZjhoMTZ5ZWszaHpsNXltMSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/29HRejgahYenVsohB5/giphy.webp

[3ba11]

.
Reggie Miller and Pippen faced the same opponent in the playoffs 6 times....



R Miller vs. 90' Pistons..... 20.7 on 57%... 17.9 usage
Pippen. vs. 90' Pistons..... 16.6 on 43%... 20.4 usage

R Miller vs 93' Knicks....... 31.5 on 53%... 27.5 usage
Pippen. vs 93' Knicks....... 22.5 on 51%... 28.4 usage

R Miller vs 94' Knicks....... 24.7 on 44%... 30.1 usage
Pippen. vs 94' Knicks....... 21.7 on 41%... 31.7 usage

R Miller vs 95' Magic........ 25.9 on 52%... 26.2 usage
Pippen. vs 95' Magic........ 19.0 on 42%... 23.1 usage

R Miller vs 00' Lakers....... 24.3 on 41%... 25.0 usage
Pippen. vs 00' Lakers....... 15.1 on 43%... 19.5 usage
Pippen. vs 99' Lakers....... 18.3 on 33%... 23.5 usage

R Miller 98' ECF............... 17.4 on 41%... 21.1 usage
Pippen. 98' ECF............... 16.6 on 39%... 26.0 usage




The GOAT debate ended when MJ's teammate, Horace Grant, had the greatest playoff series of his career in 1995 eliminating MJ en route to making the finals that year. Again, Grant didn't just make the finals, he literally eliminated MJ in the process of making the finals.

(See how easy that was?)

Also, I'm trying to figure out when did just "making the finals" all of a sudden become an accomplishment in the eyes of certain fans. Last I heard, from 2011- 2020, just making the finals was not good enough. As a matter of fact, I kept hearing that it was better to lose before the finals those years than to actually make the finals and lose. What changed? I can't quite put my finger on it.


MJ was eliminated in the 2nd Round, so Horace didn't make the Finals while eliminating MJ - the Magic had to beat the Pacers in the ECF, where we saw Reggie Miller dominate and play far better than Pippen did against the Magic... Miller drastically outplayed Pippen against the same playoff opponent 6 of 6 times (see stats above).

[tpols]

3ball did it again?

:lebronamazed:

[tpols]

The GOAT debate ended when MJ's teammate, Horace Grant, had the greatest playoff series of his career in 1995 eliminating MJ en route to making the finals that year. Again, Grant didn't just make the finals, he literally eliminated MJ in the process of making the finals.

(See how easy that was?)

Also, I'm trying to figure out when did just "making the finals" all of a sudden become an accomplishment in the eyes of certain fans. Last I heard, from 2011- 2020, just making the finals was not good enough. As a matter of fact, I kept hearing that it was better to lose before the finals those years than to actually make the finals and lose. What changed? I can't quite put my finger on it.

The Mavs actually faced legit competition. They won 3 series in a row with no HCA.

[3ba11]

3ball did it again?

:lebronamazed:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-31-2024/paRPQB.gif

[tpols]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-31-2024/paRPQB.gif

Probably not the gif to use right now lol

[3ba11]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-26-2024/4TjY-L.gif

[jlip]

.


The GOAT debate ended when MJ's teammate, Horace Grant, had the greatest playoff series of his career in 1995 eliminating MJ en route to making the finals that year. Again, Grant didn't just make the finals, he literally eliminated MJ in the process of making the finals.

(See how easy that was?)

Also, I'm trying to figure out when did just "making the finals" all of a sudden become an accomplishment in the eyes of certain fans. Last I heard, from 2011- 2020, just making the finals was not good enough. As a matter of fact, I kept hearing that it was better to lose before the finals those years than to actually make the finals and lose. What changed? I can't quite put my finger on it.



MJ was eliminated in the 2nd Round, so Horace didn't make the Finals while eliminating MJ - the Magic had to beat the Pacers in the ECF, where we saw Reggie Miller dominate and play far better than Pippen did against the Magic... Miller drastically outplayed Pippen against the same playoff opponent 6 of 6 times (see stats above).

Read my post again. Not once did I say that Horace made the Finals immediately by eliminating MJ. I was strategic and deliberate in my wording. Read what I said again.


The GOAT debate ended when MJ's teammate, Horace Grant, had the greatest playoff series of his career in 1995 eliminating MJ en route to making the finals that year. Again, Grant didn't just make the finals, he literally eliminated MJ in the process of making the finals.

[3ba11]

Read my post again. Not once did I say that Horace made the Finals immediately by eliminating MJ. I was strategic and deliberate in my wording. Read what I said again.


I was humoring your example of a role player making the Finals - I think Love made the Finals too, or Eric Snow, lol

we're talking sidekicks here, not role players

[sdot_thadon]

I was humoring your example of a role player making the Finals - I think Love made the Finals too, or Eric Snow, lol

we're talking sidekicks here, not role players

No Horace, no conference finals?

[3ba11]

No Horace, no conference finals?


For Lebron to win as 1st option, he needed a sidekick that made the Finals without him - a "closer" and franchise player from an opposing team within his own conference - yikes.

Btw, Luka and Kyrie's slight imrpovement on defense really improved the team, so imagine how MJ in place of Luka would revolutionize the defense and the team.. Of course, Jordan's superior scoring diversity would offer superior strategic capacity as well, aka ball movemeent, high assist teams, 5-man basketball... This great chemistry would yield a great-performing cast, aka great team, dynasty, 3-peat.

[nayte]

Jordan is better then Kyrie or Luka.. great analysis there.

[Phoenix]

The ramp up in 3ball threads this time of year, like clockwork.OPs a mod alt...

[nayte]

Considering the answers I got . totally agree

[sdot_thadon]

For Lebron to win as 1st option, he needed a sidekick that made the Finals without him - a "closer" and franchise player from an opposing team within his own conference - yikes.

Btw, Luka and Kyrie's slight imrpovement on defense really improved the team, so imagine how MJ in place of Luka would revolutionize the defense and the team.. Of course, Jordan's superior scoring diversity would offer superior strategic capacity as well, aka ball movemeent, high assist teams, 5-man basketball... This great chemistry would yield a great-performing cast, aka great team, dynasty, 3-peat.

Yeah no Horace.....no Pip......no Phil.......:cry:

[3ba11]

Yeah no Horace.....no Pip......no Phil.......:cry:


MJ is the only player in history that was good enough to win with the 1st all-star he was given received and never needed another one - everyone in history needed many all-stars, while MJ was literally unbeatable the instant he got just 1 - he didn't lose 3 straight games from 90-98' (9 straight years).. So you're just punishing him for being the GOAT.. literally... that's what you're doing - MJ could've won with anyone and you would say he "needed" them when in reality MJ was just that good to win with a modicum of help, while everyone else needed bevies of stars.

And it's crazy because MJ had to DEVELOP the little help that he got - a 1st time nobody coach with a funky offense that was rejected everywhere else, and a 23-year old rookie that averaged 8 ppg... No one else had to DEVELOP their help, smh.. .only the GOAT had to do that.

[RRR3]

MJ is the only player in history that was good enough to win with the 1st all-star he was given received and never needed another one - everyone in history needed many all-stars, while MJ was literally unbeatable the instant he got just 1 - he didn't lose 3 straight games from 90-98' (9 straight years).. So you're just punishing him for being the GOAT.. literally... that's what you're doing - MJ could've won with anyone and you would say he "needed" them when in reality MJ was just that good to win with a modicum of help, while everyone else needed bevies of stars.
Pippen was not the first all-star MJ was given you liar.

[3ba11]

Pippen was not the first all-star MJ was given you liar.


Yes he was

[sdot_thadon]

MJ is the only player in history that was good enough to win with the 1st all-star he was given received and never needed another one - everyone in history needed many all-stars, while MJ was literally unbeatable the instant he got just 1 - he didn't lose 3 straight games from 90-98' (9 straight years).. So you're just punishing him for being the GOAT.. literally... that's what you're doing - MJ could've won with anyone and you would say he "needed" them when in reality MJ was just that good to win with a modicum of help, while everyone else needed bevies of stars.

And it's crazy because MJ had to DEVELOP the little help that he got - a 1st time nobody coach with a funky offense that was rejected everywhere else, and a 23-year old rookie that averaged 8 ppg... No one else had to DEVELOP their help, smh.. .only the GOAT had to do that.
And the lie detector test determined....that is a lie.

Mj was given the perennial allstar George Gervin his 2nd season. Gervin was an allstar the prior year and put up 21.2 a game. Iceman had 3 40 point games the previous season and one on the Bulls the season he played with Mj. Not to mention Mj was drafted to a team with an existing 20ppg scorer in Orlando Woolridge. Who would continue that level of scoring for a few seasons until leaving in free agency. Sure later he was suspended for drug use but even years after that he had a season for Denver where he was putting up 29 a game (good enough for 3rd in the league) before suffering a detached retina.

So Mj was gifted not one, but 2!! 20ppg scorers to be his 2nd and 3rd options immediately into his career and still couldn't do better than 1-9. And not even mentioning future allstar Oakely. Or key title piece Paxson. Seems like the truth of the matter was Mj failed with more help than alot of guys have coming in as rookies. But what he really needed to get to the next level? A Pippen. Probably would have worked better if he'd have passed the rock more....

[gengiskhan]

Pippen was not the first all-star MJ was given you liar.

Dunno about all dat.

All'z I know is 1991 Pippen could'nt even make it to 1991 All Star East Bench when Bulls won their first ring.

1991 Bulls won their ring with Jordan being the lone all-star starter from Bulls.

I still cannot believe 1997 NBA voted Pippen ahead of Dominique at Top 50 ATGs. what a robbery!.

[Manny98]

Kyrie can make the Finals, he can win the championship, he can even be FMVP, it won’t change the fact that 10 years from now, barring a suicide, you’ll still be here making LeBron threads.
:lol

[CurryOverLebron]

https://x.com/olympicbean/status/1796375579601584386

LeBron at 25

- Lost in ECF as a 1 seed
- Choked in elimination game
- Let Dwight drop 40 on his head

Luka at 25

- Manhandled the 1 seed
- Beat 3 All-Stars and DPOY in WCF
- Led his to team Finals

We’re about to start having some real uncomfortable conversations

[3ba11]

https://x.com/olympicbean/status/1796375579601584386

LeBron at 25

- Lost in ECF as a 1 seed
- Choked in elimination game
- Let Dwight drop 40 on his head

Luka at 25

- Manhandled the 1 seed
- Beat 3 All-Stars and DPOY in WCF
- Led his to team Finals

We’re about to start having some real uncomfortable conversations


Luka has destroyed Lebron's career already.

In Lebron's 5th season, he was winning 45 games and averaging 26 on 35% in a 7 game series loss.. Then he got the all-star spacing that his stiff arm needs in 2009, but still lost as massive favorite to 1-star team... Then he added Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite and 7th year organic juggernaut in 2010, but lost again as a massive favorite via meltdown mid-series..

So people forget that he formed super-teams because he couldn't win the East with homecourt - that's the historical record, so people are wrong when they say that he takes any team to the Finals - he literally couldn't with normal casts of 1 franchise player and that's why he formed super-teams (3 franchise players).

[Nb1]

You do realize there were 7 total failed seasons before this final lol. They didn't even make the playoffs last season...

They got important teammates now and Luka is playing out of his minde, it's not because of Kyrie. Kyrie proved us for 7 yrs that he wasn't the gyu you said he was...


And anyway, Bron won 2 rings after Kyrie and 2 rings before Kyrie, so in any case any argument is invalid since he won more without Kyrie and Kyrie never won anything when he wasn't playing with Bron.

[Wardell Curry]

OP finally admitted the truth in his thread title. Everything he posts here are just simply 'narratives' aka made up stories.