Do the Mavs beat the Celtics with 2016 LeBron in place of Luka?

[1987_Lakers]

I say yes.

[tpols]

They're going to beat them both ways. So sure.

[3ba11]

Luka is better than Lebron ever was due to superior passing, superior clutch, superior jumpshooting and pure scoring ability, alpha leadership (he isn't corny or cringeworthy like Bron)

For Lebron to make the Finals with Kyrie, he needed to team-up Kyrie as an in-conference rival (dilute the conference) - this isn't the same as winning a real conference like the West.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes, he also beats every team Jordan did from '91-'98.

[tpols]

Yes, he also beats every team Jordan did from '91-'98.

Pippen and Lebron would be a disastrous combination spacing wise. Add in Cartwright, Grant, Rodman, Longley and Harper and that offense would be down right FUGLY.

[1987_Lakers]

Luka is better than Lebron ever was due to superior passing, superior clutch, superior jumpshooting and pure scoring ability, alpha leadership (he isn't corny or cringeworthy like Bron)

For Lebron to make the Finals with Kyrie, he needed to team-up Kyrie as an in-conference rival (dilute the conference) - this isn't the same as winning a real conference like the West.

LeBron beat a 73 win team with Kyrie while being underdogs.

So even if Dallas wins, it will not top what LeBron did. If Dallas loses, it will prove Luka is inferior to LeBron, but what these playoffs have showed us is that Bron-Luka ball is superior to expert jump shooting ball.

Carry on.

[3ba11]

Yes, he also beats every team Jordan did from '91-'98.


Lol lebron lost to long-standing organic chemistry and juggernauts like the Spurs, Nuggets, Warriors, Magic or Mavs, so he would get killed by the 98' Jazz, who beat Popovic/Duncan and Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers.. So the Jazz already beat better players than Lebron (duncan, shaq)...

All the teams from the 90's West were long-standing organic juggernauts, so the team that made it out of that bloodbath every year was battle-tested team and having their banner year with everything going for them - a freight train - that's what MJ faced every year in the Finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lol lebron lost to long-standing organic chemistry and juggernauts like the Spurs, Nuggets, Warriors, Magic or Mavs, so he would get killed by the 98' Jazz, who beat Popovic/Duncan and Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers.. So the Jazz already beat better players than Lebron (duncan, shaq)...

All the teams from the 90's West were long-standing organic juggernauts and the team that made it out of that bloodbath every year was a team that was having their banner year with everything going for them - a freight train - that's what MJ faced every year in the Finals.
The '98 Jazz with a 2nd option barely averaging 10 ppg in the Finals are a juggernaut?

:lol

[ShawkFactory]

The '98 Jazz with a 2nd option barely averaging 10 ppg in the Finals are a juggernaut?

:lol

Yea Stockton played worse than Pippen ever did.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yea Stockton played worse than Pippen ever did.
Using the 3ball formula of player evaluation

Pippen: 16 ppg
Kukoc: 15 ppg

Hornacek: 11 ppg
Stockton: 10 ppg

It's amazing they even needed 6 games to win :lol

[sdot_thadon]

Pippen and Lebron would be a disastrous combination spacing wise. Add in Cartwright, Grant, Rodman, Longley and Harper and that offense would be down right FUGLY.

How you figure that? Lebron's range has been better than MJ's for a long time now. Cartwright and to some extent Longley could easily replicate what ilguaskas did as a big with Lebron in the pick and pop. Grant would be a much mich better version of Andy Varejeo or Thompson and would catch alleyoops several times a game. And also could play pick and pop well with his midrange. If it was Rodman instead he'd get him easy spoon fed buckets like he was able to do for birdman in Miami who was a cover band version of Rodman there and Thompson was as well somewhat in Cleveland. Harper? He'd weaponize a former 20 ppg scorer more than Mj did with his passing and at bare minimum he could take the same spot up jumpers he took for the Bulls. Not to mention a few of these guys on the Bulls are capable of getting buckets on their own....

[3ba11]

Using the 3ball formula of player evaluation

Pippen: 16 ppg
Kukoc: 15 ppg

Hornacek: 11 ppg
Stockton: 10 ppg

It's amazing they even needed 6 games to win :lol



97' WCF

Stockton...... 21/11 and series walk-off in Barkley's face


Stockton carried the Jazz to the 97' Finals, while Pippen never put up double-double with points and assists or hit historic clutch shots.. And he never outplayed any top players like Barkley, Malone, Shaq, Bird, etc

Stockton also outplayed Pippen in the 97' Finals when you look at everything - ppg, apg, TO's, efficiency and clutch points - Stockton and MJ ruled the clutch points and clutch stats for those playoffs and Finals.

[gengiskhan]

Yes, he also beats every team Jordan did from '91-'98.

lol. get your head checked at the nearest ER.

LBJ aint fitting any complicated triangle offense. LBJ ball is ball dominance and slows down offense instead of ball movement.

Reason LBJ always needed a SUPER team to win ring. That 3rd franchise in Bosh. or Love. forget that bubble ring.

Jordan was a special player. And his ability to play off the ball and devastating mid range skills is what made 2nd 3 peat actually happen.

Jordan can literally get out of Pippen and Bulls way offensively and plug in the holes they had offensively.

LBJ is the opposite. He is the problem child in offense with excessive dribbling and indecisiveness. Kukoc Harper game will suffer big time.

also, LBJ Pippen backcourt with their limited playmaking ability will be a disaster.

bottom line, 1991-1998, LBJ will beat his own record of 4-6 and go 0-6 in finals.

[gengiskhan]

The '98 Jazz with a 2nd option barely averaging 10 ppg in the Finals are a juggernaut?

:lol

Any team with Malone as MVP Runner-up is a juggernaut.

Any team with elite, injury-free, Stockton as a hard, cold, no drama, workman like playmaker who won zero awards and accolades for career and a chip to prove is a juggernaut.

Any team with HCA against 35 y Jordan, 34 y harper, 37 y useless Rodman and injured, 50% available 33 y Pippen is a juggernaut.

particularly, if that team goes up 1-0 and 3 wins to go with HCA.

1998 Utah jazz was 2nd best team behind 1998 Pacers and should've won the 1998 Finals with HCA after 1-0 lead especially in 2-3-2 format.

[ImKobe]

They're good enough to beat Boston either way.

[gengiskhan]

97' WCF

Stockton...... 21/11 and series walk-off in Barkley's face


Stockton carried the Jazz to the 97' Finals, while Pippen never put up double-double with points and assists or hit historic clutch shots.. And he never outplayed any top players like Barkley, Malone, Shaq, Bird, etc

Stockton also outplayed Pippen in the 97' Finals when you look at everything - ppg, apg, TO's, efficiency and clutch points - Stockton and MJ ruled the clutch points and clutch stats for those playoffs and Finals.

To this day, I have this list as Top 3 PG GOATs and will stay that way.

#1 Magic
#2 Zeke
#3 Stockton

the amount of insult and disrespect Stockton get is just appalling.

That man was scary great his entire career. I mean defensively too. You never saw him coming offensively and defensively. that was the scary part.

[ShawkFactory]

97' WCF

Stockton...... 21/11 and series walk-off in Barkley's face


Stockton carried the Jazz to the 97' Finals, while Pippen never put up double-double with points and assists or hit historic clutch shots.. And he never outplayed any top players like Barkley, Malone, Shaq, Bird, etc

Stockton also outplayed Pippen in the 97' Finals when you look at everything - ppg, apg, TO's, efficiency and clutch points - Stockton and MJ ruled the clutch points and clutch stats for those playoffs and Finals.

Holy shit :lol

One of the more ironic things I have ever seen posted on ISH. Well played

[1987_Lakers]

guys?

[SouBeachTalents]

Honestly, I say no, the Mavs are too overmatched, and Kyrie has consistently been an inferior playoff performer compared to his Cleveland self, doesn't matter if he's playing with the Celtics, KD, Luka etc.

[AirBonner]

This thread aged very badly. I’d say no because the role player gap is just too much

[GimmeThat]

the Mavs utilized Hardaway Jr. poorly, he's actually the best candidate for man to man defense on JB.

P.J. Washington being a streakier 3 point threat than J.R. Smith gives the advantage to Boston still.

[RRR3]

Not if Kyrie plays like has been.

[And1AllDay]

Yes, he also beats every team Jordan did from '91-'98.

bingo
./threeeeeaddddd