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1987_Lakers
06-02-2024, 02:28 PM
Bird was a winner on the championship level, and Bird also beat Magic as a big underdog in 1984 and it was historic - a GOAT Finals - Bird turned Magic into "Tragic" Johnson

Bird also defeated max defensive attention in that series (carried scoring load on championship level), which is rare.... In order to carry the scoring load and win, it requires great brand of ball at carry-job volume - jumpshooters maintain sufficient brand at carry-job volume, so they can carry the scoring load and win with less help, while ball-dominators lack sufficient brand at carry-job volume, so they need all-time scoring help.


This is FALSE. Celtics were favorites

https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/nba-champs/

Carry on

3ba11
06-02-2024, 02:50 PM
Carry on


You guys lose the main argument and live off typos or small, meaningless mistakes

The unrefuted point remains that Bird and other expert jumpshooters have a winning record on the championship level collectively, like Magic, Lebron, Luka, Oscar, Westbrook, Harden and other ball-dominators have massively-losing records on the championship level collectively.

carry on the bs

ShawkFactory
06-02-2024, 02:53 PM
You guys lose the main argument and live off typos or small, meaningless mistakes

Bird and other expert jumpshooters have a winning record on the championship level collectively, while ball-dominators like Magic, Lebron, Luka, Oscar, Westbrook, Harden and other ball-dominators have massively-losing records on the championship level collectively.

carry on the bs

:lol

3ba11
06-02-2024, 02:54 PM
:lol


It's true - 1987Lakers lost the main argument that ball-dominators have a MASSIVELY losing record collectively on the championship level (Magic, Lebron, Oscar, Westbrook, Harden, Luka), while expert jumpshooters have a massively winning record (MJ, Curry, Kobe, Bird, Kawhi, Dirk)

Since he lost this argument, he looks for typos or small mistakes that have no bearing on the main argument that he lost and couldn't refute

it's a diversion tactic to avoid addressing the point that he cannot address - he was wrong about ball-dominators - they suck - so now he finds some other crap to harp on... it's super-weak... i have NEVER argued in this p*ssy manner.

sd3035
06-02-2024, 02:59 PM
You guys lose the main argument and live off typos or small, meaningless mistakes

The unrefuted point remains that Bird and other expert jumpshooters have a winning record on the championship level collectively, like Magic, Lebron, Luka, Oscar, Westbrook, Harden and other ball-dominators have massively-losing records on the championship level collectively.

carry on the bs

Magic, Luka, and Oscar shouldn't be grouped together with those scrubs

3ba11
06-02-2024, 03:04 PM
Magic, Luka, and Oscar shouldn't be grouped together with those scrubs


Maybe Luka due to assassin mentality - he isn't a "nice guy" or corny like Lebron, Magic, Oscar and other "passers".. You saw Snoop - he was like 'holy shit'... Magic and Lebron were never badass like that.. That's some Kobe or MJ shit right there.

Also, it should be noted that Lebron, Oscar, and Magic needed to form super-teams (team-up with Kareem) - Magic actually DEMANDED to play with Kareem as a rookie.... So the main difference between Magic/Lebron/Oscar and Westbrook/Harden/CP3 is the quality (and brashness) of their team-ups - the former had far better team-ups

NBAGOAT
06-02-2024, 08:09 PM
Maybe Luka due to assassin mentality - he isn't a "nice guy" or corny like Lebron, Magic, Oscar and other "passers".. You saw Snoop - he was like 'holy shit'... Magic and Lebron were never badass like that.. That's some Kobe or MJ shit right there.

Also, it should be noted that Lebron, Oscar, and Magic needed to form super-teams (team-up with Kareem) - Magic actually DEMANDED to play with Kareem as a rookie.... So the main difference between Magic/Lebron/Oscar and Westbrook/Harden/CP3 is the quality (and brashness) of their team-ups - the former had far better team-ups

So bird wasn’t on a superteam but magic was. Westbrook teamed up with Durant as did harden. Cp3 and westbrook teamed up with harden. They still couldn’t win. They had pretty strong team ups too

Hey Yo
06-02-2024, 08:26 PM
Carry on

Peja would definitely approve of another 3ball lie being exposed.

3ba11
06-02-2024, 08:57 PM
Peja would definitely approve of another 3ball lie being exposed.


Me and Peja agree on everything now.. He helped me sharpen all my arguments.. He knows that occasionally I will get a small fact wrong such as the Celtics being favored in the 84' Finals, but he understands that this doesn't change the point being made that expert jumpshooters and fundamental bigs have better Finals records than ball-dominators - their brand of ball is more effective on the highest level (Finals)... the 84' Celtics being favored in the Finals doesn't change this point.

Just add up the Finals records of ball-dominators and compare to expert jumpshoters & fundamental bigs - actually, I did it for you - the ball-dominators are 10-15 in the Finals (Magic, Lebron, Oscar, Luka, Westbrook, Harden), while the expert jumpshooters are 21-7 (MJ, Kobe, Curry, Bird, Dirk, Kawhi)... that's a big gap

Hey Yo
06-02-2024, 09:38 PM
At least you agreed that he handed you your ass time after time.

StrongLurk
06-03-2024, 08:35 AM
Me and Peja agree on everything now.. He helped me sharpen all my arguments.. He knows that occasionally I will get a small fact wrong such as the Celtics being favored in the 84' Finals, but he understands that this doesn't change the point being made that expert jumpshooters and fundamental bigs have better Finals records than ball-dominators - their brand of ball is more effective on the highest level (Finals)... the 84' Celtics being favored in the Finals doesn't change this point.

Just add up the Finals records of ball-dominators and compare to expert jumpshoters & fundamental bigs - actually, I did it for you - the ball-dominators are 10-15 in the Finals (Magic, Lebron, Oscar, Luka, Westbrook, Harden), while the expert jumpshooters are 21-7 (MJ, Kobe, Curry, Bird, Dirk, Kawhi)... that's a big gap

Peja literally beat 3ball into submission :roll:

HoopsNY
06-03-2024, 11:12 AM
Honestly, this forum deserves 3ball. You guys continuously respond to his posts. At some point, all of you need to realize that you're part of the problem.

Overdrive
06-03-2024, 11:58 AM
Maybe Luka due to assassin mentality - he isn't a "nice guy" or corny like Lebron, Magic, Oscar and other "passers".. You saw Snoop - he was like 'holy shit'... Magic and Lebron were never badass like that.. That's some Kobe or MJ shit right there.

Also, it should be noted that Lebron, Oscar, and Magic needed to form super-teams (team-up with Kareem) - Magic actually DEMANDED to play with Kareem as a rookie.... So the main difference between Magic/Lebron/Oscar and Westbrook/Harden/CP3 is the quality (and brashness) of their team-ups - the former had far better team-ups

How can Magic be a nice guy when he threatened teams to not declare if they draft him? Have you ever read or heard an Oscar interview? Dude is absolutely not nice. Seen the '16 finals? How is Luka talking trash any different than Lebron shitting on Curry?

Your stories aren't coherent. Stop living in your phanstasy world.

Phoenix
06-03-2024, 12:10 PM
Honestly, this forum deserves 3ball. You guys continuously respond to his posts. At some point, all of you need to realize that you're part of the problem.

Follow my recent posts on that topic. He's clearly a mod alt and yet people still reply to him leading to 10 pages of bullshit. Meanwhile, drop a serious topic and you get crickets.

PeroAntic
06-03-2024, 12:59 PM
Honestly, this forum deserves 3ball. You guys continuously respond to his posts. At some point, all of you need to realize that you're part of the problem.

:applause:

mr4speed
06-03-2024, 09:44 PM
So bird wasn’t on a superteam but magic was. Westbrook teamed up with Durant as did harden. Cp3 and westbrook teamed up with harden. They still couldn’t win. They had pretty strong team ups too

Magic went to a much better team as a rookie. Bird went to a 29 win team and Magic went to a 47 win team. Bird never played with a teammate as good as Kareem IMO.

NBAGOAT
06-03-2024, 09:58 PM
Magic went to a much better team as a rookie. Bird went to a 29 win team and Magic went to a 47 win team. Bird never played with a teammate as good as Kareem IMO.

Yes but by mid 80s those teams are still stacked and the best showtime teams Kareem was close to 40. Just all-nba lvl

And1AllDay
06-03-2024, 11:17 PM
Carry on

got his asssss :oldlol:

1987_Lakers
06-07-2024, 12:12 AM
Me and Peja agree on everything now.

:roll:

3ba11
06-07-2024, 12:39 AM
:roll:


I sold him on everything because time showed that I was right on like 8 things so his previous 100 posts all agree with me - look it up - recently I was right on Ant cruisin for a bruisin and now Celtics in 5.. Time shows that ALL of my claims about ball movement > ball-domination are true

Lol you probably thought the Mavs were good lol.. poor kid

1987_Lakers
06-07-2024, 12:43 AM
I sold him on everything because time showed that I was right on like 8 things so his previous 100 posts all agree with me - look it up - recently I was right on Ant cruisin for a bruisin and now Celtics in 5.. Time shows that ALL of my claims about ball movement > ball-domination are true

Lol you probably thought the Mavs were good lol.. poor kid


‘14-‘15:

50-19 when LeBron played.
3-10 when he sat.

‘15-‘16:

56-20 when LeBron played.
1-5 when he sat.


‘16-‘17:

51-23 when LeBron played.
0-8 when he sat.


Quite the superteam yes. Very super 4-23 record when their carried star was on the bench. Emperor has no clothes.


Funnily enough I think he sweet-talked his way to gettin the infamous Nuggets thread squashed.

I guess 6’8 Div 1 Boy can throw rimmers in more ways than one. Legend has it he’s still beating Richard Jefferson in make-it-take-it.
Didn't even respond to his post in the recent thread you made.

You are shook.

And1AllDay
06-08-2024, 06:38 PM
You guys lose the main argument and live off typos or small, meaningless mistakes

The unrefuted point remains that Bird and other expert jumpshooters have a winning record on the championship level collectively, like Magic, Lebron, Luka, Oscar, Westbrook, Harden and other ball-dominators have massively-losing records on the championship level collectively.

carry on the bs

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