Why european system is better for making stars? (response to Luka 14 year training v)

[90sgoat]

In Europe, they take someone who is dominating their own age and put them in an age group where they're the worst player on the court, just because the physicality difference is so massive.

Like Luka at age 14, they let him play with like 10 year pro vets.

In the AAU system, sure you might play other good teams, but you also play with literal kids when you yourself is the size of an adult.

The difference is massive. When you move up to play with adults as a kid, you learn to focus on fundamentals. Move fast, think fast, be decisive, be secure in your ballhandling, don't signal your moves, learn to see your opponent seeing you, pick your spots, good shots, good decisions, not scoring difficult shots just because you can.

Then when you move down and play with your own age group, you will literally feel like you're playing in slow motion.

If Lebron had been moved up to play with adults at age 15, what would that have done for his style of play and mentality? Probably a lot. Really think about it.

My suggestion to the NBA would then be to use the G-League as a similar system. Expand with more teams if needed to cover every larger metro area. If a high schooler is very good, have them come practise with a G-League team, even play some games. Pay them a "talent salary" instead of the shady AAU payments.

[hiphopanonymous]

America's basketball problems IMO:

Cultural: Americans are spoiled. And btw, I love US wouldn't want to be anywhere else, best opportunities in the world by far, but these are just by observations having international friends and family vs my multi generation US friends and family. Lots of social distractions and participation trophies being handed out in life for the millennial and up generation. This is affecting everyone in every single profession in the US. Most of the elite educational programs, professions, careers, etc are getting snatched up by 1st generation immigrants hungry for the best opportunities the US can provide because they are simply hungrier and not bogged down by all the comfort multi generational Americans have felt that makes them soft and listless. Countries elsewhere in the world still have an edge where they don't give a **** about being PC, or being concerned about feelings over performance. A lot of top doctors, engineers, etc come from another country and immigrate here because we don't have an economical glass ceiling. They out compete Americans, who rarely want to or seem capable of competing with such focus. Basically, Americans rarely have that "dog" in them to compete.

Basketball culture in the US: "AAAAAAND ONEEEEEEE" "AYE REF THATS A FOUL!" plus AAU programs have kids playing 6 times and practicing once during the week. I've heard overseas programs are 6 days practicing and 1 day competing. WAY superior as far as instilling discipline and fundamentals into kids. Also basketball culture in the US involves hunting for teams that give you playing time. In other words if you don't get playing time it must've been everyone else's fault not yours. This also ties into the general culture issues the US has. Entitlement. Which may give you short term gains - but long term problems.

Basketball training techniques in the US (maybe this is anywhere though?) but I know it's here: An absolute overload of BULLSHIT ball handling and shooting drills that have little carryover into actual games. As a fan of basketball history I notice a succinct lack of one thing that used to be common from prior generations. Educational basketball tutorials and clinics from pro players and coaches that explained the game, and plays, in very simple terms. I honestly think all this individual skill building focus with gimmicks like tennis balls and whatever else is oversaturated and drowns out if there actually are any really well put together clinics or produced instructional videos. It's like the internet in general these days - since it's so easy to access for everyone, anyone can put up basketball instructions now and there's millions of bad instructions out there by comparison to what should be out there.

American NBA basketball rules (International follows them, but a bit delayed): The NBA started out as a pro basketball league. Over it's 60+ year history it has without a doubt evolved (or devolved) into such an entertainment spectacle (violations are non existent offensively, and overcalled defensively) there are many key areas of it that I feel don't help young students of the game actually learn how to play the game properly... though, this is a bit confusing because for some people the "end goal" is the NBA so... I guess why not mirror the NBA? But my point is, the game used to have so many rules in place that mitigated offense and enabled defense and it has done this complete 180 on all of that over the past 60 years. Identical plays from the past that were violations are now rewarded and they are on things that used to be considered fundamentals of the game. Such as footwork and how many steps you should or should not take, offensive fouls, palming and carrying, etc. Why does this give International players an edge? Well, this is just a guess but they may still be playing a more strict brand of basketball more akin to basketball in it's "pure" (pre entertainment era) form. IE - IT'S A LOT HARDER THAT WAY. This is my guess as to why guys like Luka come here, and say ...it's easier. Even at our "highest" level of competition. The athletes and everyone is all better sure, but the rules basically give you total freedom to run around completely unimpeded. Kids watching it in the US get cooked by the disciplined International players who are suddenly set free after having played a harder version of the game.

My two cents.

[warriorfan]

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[Mask the Embiid]

The mavs are still going to get slaughtered. even with all of this.

[Im Still Ballin]

America's basketball problems IMO:

Cultural: Americans are spoiled. And btw, I love US wouldn't want to be anywhere else, best opportunities in the world by far, but these are just by observations having international friends and family vs my multi generation US friends and family. Lots of social distractions and participation trophies being handed out in life for the millennial and up generation. This is affecting everyone in every single profession in the US. Most of the elite educational programs, professions, careers, etc are getting snatched up by 1st generation immigrants hungry for the best opportunities the US can provide because they are simply hungrier and not bogged down by all the comfort multi generational Americans have felt that makes them soft and listless. Countries elsewhere in the world still have an edge where they don't give a **** about being PC, or being concerned about feelings over performance. A lot of top doctors, engineers, etc come from another country and immigrate here because we don't have an economical glass ceiling. They out compete Americans, who rarely want to or seem capable of competing with such focus. Basically, Americans rarely have that "dog" in them to compete.

Basketball culture in the US: "AAAAAAND ONEEEEEEE" "AYE REF THATS A FOUL!" plus AAU programs have kids playing 6 times and practicing once during the week. I've heard overseas programs are 6 days practicing and 1 day competing. WAY superior as far as instilling discipline and fundamentals into kids. Also basketball culture in the US involves hunting for teams that give you playing time. In other words if you don't get playing time it must've been everyone else's fault not yours. This also ties into the general culture issues the US has. Entitlement. Which may give you short term gains - but long term problems.

Basketball training techniques in the US (maybe this is anywhere though?) but I know it's here: An absolute overload of BULLSHIT ball handling and shooting drills that have little carryover into actual games. As a fan of basketball history I notice a succinct lack of one thing that used to be common from prior generations. Educational basketball tutorials and clinics from pro players and coaches that explained the game, and plays, in very simple terms. I honestly think all this individual skill building focus with gimmicks like tennis balls and whatever else is oversaturated and drowns out if there actually are any really well put together clinics or produced instructional videos. It's like the internet in general these days - since it's so easy to access for everyone, anyone can put up basketball instructions now and there's millions of bad instructions out there by comparison to what should be out there.

American NBA basketball rules (International follows them, but a bit delayed): The NBA started out as a pro basketball league. Over it's 60+ year history it has without a doubt evolved (or devolved) into such an entertainment spectacle (violations are non existent offensively, and overcalled defensively) there are many key areas of it that I feel don't help young students of the game actually learn how to play the game properly... though, this is a bit confusing because for some people the "end goal" is the NBA so... I guess why not mirror the NBA? But my point is, the game used to have so many rules in place that mitigated offense and enabled defense and it has done this complete 180 on all of that over the past 60 years. Identical plays from the past that were violations are now rewarded and they are on things that used to be considered fundamentals of the game. Such as footwork and how many steps you should or should not take, offensive fouls, palming and carrying, etc. Why does this give International players an edge? Well, this is just a guess but they may still be playing a more strict brand of basketball more akin to basketball in it's "pure" (pre entertainment era) form. IE - IT'S A LOT HARDER THAT WAY. This is my guess as to why guys like Luka come here, and say ...it's easier. Even at our "highest" level of competition. The athletes and everyone is all better sure, but the rules basically give you total freedom to run around completely unimpeded. Kids watching it in the US get cooked by the disciplined International players who are suddenly set free after having played a harder version of the game.

My two cents.

Interesting perspectives.

[SATAN]

If Lebron had been moved up to play with adults at age 15, what would that have done for his style of play and mentality? Probably a lot. Really think about it.



LeBron played against Michael Jordan, Ron Artest etc and held his own against them at age 15...

I see your point though.

[SATAN]

The mavs are still going to get slaughtered. even with all of this.

Get your bets in, folks. Looks like Boston are gonna sweep. :lol

[Bawkish]

America's basketball problems IMO:

Cultural: Americans are spoiled. And btw, I love US wouldn't want to be anywhere else, best opportunities in the world by far, but these are just by observations having international friends and family vs my multi generation US friends and family. Lots of social distractions and participation trophies being handed out in life for the millennial and up generation. This is affecting everyone in every single profession in the US. Most of the elite educational programs, professions, careers, etc are getting snatched up by 1st generation immigrants hungry for the best opportunities the US can provide because they are simply hungrier and not bogged down by all the comfort multi generational Americans have felt that makes them soft and listless. Countries elsewhere in the world still have an edge where they don't give a **** about being PC, or being concerned about feelings over performance. A lot of top doctors, engineers, etc come from another country and immigrate here because we don't have an economical glass ceiling. They out compete Americans, who rarely want to or seem capable of competing with such focus. Basically, Americans rarely have that "dog" in them to compete.

Basketball culture in the US: "AAAAAAND ONEEEEEEE" "AYE REF THATS A FOUL!" plus AAU programs have kids playing 6 times and practicing once during the week. I've heard overseas programs are 6 days practicing and 1 day competing. WAY superior as far as instilling discipline and fundamentals into kids. Also basketball culture in the US involves hunting for teams that give you playing time. In other words if you don't get playing time it must've been everyone else's fault not yours. This also ties into the general culture issues the US has. Entitlement. Which may give you short term gains - but long term problems.

Basketball training techniques in the US (maybe this is anywhere though?) but I know it's here: An absolute overload of BULLSHIT ball handling and shooting drills that have little carryover into actual games. As a fan of basketball history I notice a succinct lack of one thing that used to be common from prior generations. Educational basketball tutorials and clinics from pro players and coaches that explained the game, and plays, in very simple terms. I honestly think all this individual skill building focus with gimmicks like tennis balls and whatever else is oversaturated and drowns out if there actually are any really well put together clinics or produced instructional videos. It's like the internet in general these days - since it's so easy to access for everyone, anyone can put up basketball instructions now and there's millions of bad instructions out there by comparison to what should be out there.

American NBA basketball rules (International follows them, but a bit delayed): The NBA started out as a pro basketball league. Over it's 60+ year history it has without a doubt evolved (or devolved) into such an entertainment spectacle (violations are non existent offensively, and overcalled defensively) there are many key areas of it that I feel don't help young students of the game actually learn how to play the game properly... though, this is a bit confusing because for some people the "end goal" is the NBA so... I guess why not mirror the NBA? But my point is, the game used to have so many rules in place that mitigated offense and enabled defense and it has done this complete 180 on all of that over the past 60 years. Identical plays from the past that were violations are now rewarded and they are on things that used to be considered fundamentals of the game. Such as footwork and how many steps you should or should not take, offensive fouls, palming and carrying, etc. Why does this give International players an edge? Well, this is just a guess but they may still be playing a more strict brand of basketball more akin to basketball in it's "pure" (pre entertainment era) form. IE - IT'S A LOT HARDER THAT WAY. This is my guess as to why guys like Luka come here, and say ...it's easier. Even at our "highest" level of competition. The athletes and everyone is all better sure, but the rules basically give you total freedom to run around completely unimpeded. Kids watching it in the US get cooked by the disciplined International players who are suddenly set free after having played a harder version of the game.

My two cents.

Man, if that's your two cents version i wouldn't dare to ask for your serious input

Seriously though, great analysis