5-Out.... The 2024 NBA finals will mark the death of basketball in america

[Mask the Embiid]

When the Celtics win this championship. Everyone will copy how they play "5 out offense". Originality will be dead since this is the most simplistic offense in basketball. When everyone sees just how easy it is to run. They will never switch back to anything else. Its a role players paradise. They can thrive in this type of no skill offense...It takes no dribbling skills,counters,dribbling with your weak hand, reading the pnr defense, ect. It takes none of that. Just beat your man in a straight line drive. If they help, kick it out and replace. If they dont help 'layup'. I expect everyone to slowly implement 5 out until its the only play in the playbook. It will even be more prevalent than PnR in a couple years.


Ratings will plummet when people no longer think "wow look how skilled they are. i could never do that" because the offense is so simplistic. All you need is a str8 line drive with a pass fake...Thats it. no other skills required offensively. Just layups and 3's...just like how analytic nerds like it



Remember i said it 1st. the 2024 finals when the Celtics win. Will be the starting point of the moment when basketball died.
dont be shocked if in the future you see documentary's or youtube videos with the title "the moment the nba died" referencing this finals

[3ba11]

Every team already runs 5-out offense or some version

As long as a team develops great chemistry over the years, they will have decent variations and wrinkles to their 5-man out foundation and I think the Celtics have that, while their 1st option certainly has the skillset (on-ball or off-ball) to allow this variation.

[Neal Romer]

Been spending most our lives
Livin in role players’ paradise

[Mask the Embiid]

How yall enjoying the finals?Gets use to this fellas....everyone is gonna try to copy them after this playoff run. 5 shooters on every team....if u hate a 3 ball fest you gonna really hate the nba in about 3 years. You can thank the Celtics for whats about to happen to basketball


drive kick replace...drive kick replace ....drive kick.....open 3

drive kick....drive kick....drive open layup


no pnr.....no post game.... just every single team playing the same....no diversity....5 out with 5 shooters


even the fking warriors ran actions.....even "lebron ball' throws the ball in the post occasionally....

[Neal Romer]

People arent gonna copy it because the Celtics are doing it or because they won this year with it. Rather the Celtics are doing it because it's the direction the game is going and theyve just been among the first to get a team fully capable of it.

Teams have been running a 4-out for about a decade now, which was itself a much different look than what we saw before that, with typically two non-three-point shooters per team at least.

First the league had to wait for enough power forwards who could shoot threes before it could start running 4 outs. Now every team has that, and theyre waiting for there to be enough competent centers who can do it too, with guys like KP and now Yama and Chet, and more will keep coming in each year.

It's not that the Celtics invented this. This would be the natural evolution even if the Celtics didnt exist. They just accumulated the necessary talent to do it at a championship level first.

But youre still gonna see exceptions when teams have a player you can build an elite offense around using a different scheme. A Jokic for instance, or even an Embiid (regular season). And you'll still see a lot of teams running a 4-out if their center doesnt shoot threes but is still better overall than some g-league center who does (for ex: hartenstein, toody, zubac etc).

You have to be able to shoot the three as well as the Celtics do in order to make the offense work. And not every team is gonna have the talent to do that.

[tontoz]

OP is so mad about the C's getting a ring :lol

[GimmeThat]

here, I'm out. my verticality is as good as my martial art skills

[bdonovan]

Its not pure 5-out. You have people like Jrue Holliday cutting, and laying the ball up. You have White cutting at times. You have some off-ball movement. It's not the simple Rockets James Harden strategy that never worked to win a championship. With the Celtics, with dribble penetration, and passing, 4 of the 5 players can lead the offense.

[plowking]

The Celtics are the most boring team ever. Personnel wise and playstyle.

[90sgoat]

I've been impressed more than I'd like with the ability of guys like White and Horford to hit 3s.

It's tough to beat a team that has smart defenders like that who can also knock down 3s.

Celtics are not at all unbeatable though, but they have a real talent surplus that people like me haven't recognised. Jrue, Derrick White, Brown, Tatum, Pritchard, that's insanely stacked on the guard and wing spots.

[Xiao Yao You]

People arent gonna copy it because the Celtics are doing it or because they won this year with it. Rather the Celtics are doing it because it's the direction the game is going and theyve just been among the first to get a team fully capable of it.

Teams have been running a 4-out for about a decade now, which was itself a much different look than what we saw before that, with typically two non-three-point shooters per team at least.

First the league had to wait for enough power forwards who could shoot threes before it could start running 4 outs. Now every team has that, and theyre waiting for there to be enough competent centers who can do it too, with guys like KP and now Yama and Chet, and more will keep coming in each year.

It's not that the Celtics invented this. This would be the natural evolution even if the Celtics didnt exist. They just accumulated the necessary talent to do it at a championship level first.

But youre still gonna see exceptions when teams have a player you can build an elite offense around using a different scheme. A Jokic for instance, or even an Embiid (regular season). And you'll still see a lot of teams running a 4-out if their center doesnt shoot threes but is still better overall than some g-league center who does (for ex: hartenstein, toody, zubac etc).

You have to be able to shoot the three as well as the Celtics do in order to make the offense work. And not every team is gonna have the talent to do that.

All nba g league center :roll:

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In1eQv6dhis

[Mask the Embiid]

Its not pure 5-out. You have people like Jrue Holliday cutting, and laying the ball up. You have White cutting at times. You have some off-ball movement. It's not the simple Rockets James Harden strategy that never worked to win a championship. With the Celtics, with dribble penetration, and passing, 4 of the 5 players can lead the offense.

you can cut in any offense its still 5 out. Just know if you find this finals boring or the Celtics offense boring....This is the future if they win.....everyone will copy them.....

[tpols]

I've been impressed more than I'd like with the ability of guys like White and Horford to hit 3s.

It's tough to beat a team that has smart defenders like that who can also knock down 3s.

Celtics are not at all unbeatable though, but they have a real talent surplus that people like me haven't recognised. Jrue, Derrick White, Brown, Tatum, Pritchard, that's insanely stacked on the guard and wing spots.

That and Hauser. I didn't even know who that dude was but he's like a Kyle Korver level sniper.

He's like 8th man on the team and he made almost 200 3s this season on well over 40+% shooting. The most 3s Larry Bird ever made in a season was 90.

Even jrue Holiday made 138 3s on an absurd 43% FG. Bostons worst shooter hits 3s @ a level Larry couldn't.

Jrue shot better from 3 this year than steph curry.

:biggums:

Do you know how absurd that is?

[1987_Lakers]

Jrue shot better from 3 this year than steph curry.

:biggums:

Do you know how absurd that is?

So did LeBron.

[Mask the Embiid]

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[ShawkFactory]

I think a lot of people are turned off by the load management. Not gonna mention who…but there’s a certain star actively stating that he won’t play as much as possible.

[tpols]

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Load management ruined the NBA tbh. Nobody watches regular season anymore and even hardcore fans don't watch most of the playoffs really either. It's all about money now. It was always about that, but the current generation took it too far and sacrificed their morals and gamesmanship completely for a USD which will likely collapse soon anyway given how fragile it's current state is.

[SouBeachTalents]

The NBA regular season is just broken. They would never do this due to all the lost money, but until they shorten the season, nobody's going to give a fvck about the regular season. The games don't have anything at stake, the star players and fraudulent MVP's like Embiid constantly sit out, and adding meaningless in season tournaments does nothing to address any of these core issues.

Cut the season to 58 games, or accept the ratings will continue to fall.

[tpols]

It reminds me of a post kblaze made. NBA salaries only soared because major networks bundled NBA games with other shit people actually watch. So they're currently getting a huge cut of that despite people not even watching them.

[Neal Romer]

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A lot of these teams just arent interesting.

Pacers, nobody cares about. Even the Knicks, theyre good but it's repetitive. Brunson is a nice player but he's not a player the world is tuning in for. The Bucks feel stagnant. The Celtics win but theyre predictable. Warriors have alot of no-names. The Sixers are sitting their well known guys. Nobody cares about Harden anymore. Nobody cares about Durant anymore.

Lebron
Joker
Luka/Kyrie
Edwards
Shai/Chet

Thats about all anyone cares about. Maybe I'm projecting but the numbers seem to agree.

[Neal Romer]

Zion and Ja are exciting but they miss so many games they fall out of the public consciousness. People arent wired to tune in for them bc subconsciously many probably just assume theyre not playing.

[SouBeachTalents]

The influx of all the top players being foreign absolutely kills the ratings too. Even if they're ATG's like Jokic, Giannis, Luka, they will never come close to peaking the audience's interest like LeBron, Kobe, Curry etc. did.

[Neal Romer]

The influx of all the top players being foreign absolutely kills the ratings too. Even if they're ATG's like Jokic, Giannis, Luka, they will never come close to peaking the audience's interest like LeBron, Kobe, Curry etc. did.

I dont think its just that they all were American. Steph had a game nobody had ever seen, and he was on a dynasty team. Kobe was playing in championships early on with the Lakers who have a massive worldwide following. That gave his popularity an enormous boost compared to if hed been playing on treadmill teams in Charlotte. And Lebron was the most hyped prospect of the modern era and played in 10 finals.

Edwards fits the American mould but he plays in Minnesota and hasnt been to a finals yet.

I think you could make the argument having a bunch of good teams and no great teams harms the leagues branding. Not seeing and hearing the same names in the finals every year probably lowers the casual fan's familiarity with great players. The public thinks team success equals individual greatness. So the fewer repeat champions, the less "legendary" any star will be perceived to be.

The public still counts "ringz" but the elite players today arent gonna rack up rings anymore like they did in the non-parity days. It's going to distort the simpleton's perspective on them.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I enjoyed the finals.

[tontoz]

I enjoyed the finals.

Knowing OP was melting down made it that much better :lol

The story of the finals was really Boston's defense.

[MMM]

In the Finals the Celtics went away from some of their usual 5 out system and were inverting the dunker spot.

They did this because 5 out is predictable against elite defensive teams. its why they struggled vs the Heat because the Miami could flatten them out and make them rely on above the break 3s while they had Bam protect the rim.

In the Finals the Celtics did a better job of spacing the rim protector but having Jrue in the dunker spot usually meant there was a guard on the last line. That is where the Celtics exploited.

I dont know about everyone else but at the elite level i think there is a solution to new problems and the game will continue to evolve. Everything people expected from the Celtics was there but the small wrinkles they incorporated is what made them get iver the hump.

[90sgoat]

Mavs Houston tonight was so trash.

I can't watch the regular season anymore. The game looked like a summer league game, no plan, just running up and down, no fighting over screens, moving screens, pushing off. Players look like they are not in shape at all.

Very, very bad entertainment value. The NBA has visibly declined these last 5 years.

[90sgoat]

The influx of all the top players being foreign absolutely kills the ratings too. Even if they're ATG's like Jokic, Giannis, Luka, they will never come close to peaking the audience's interest like LeBron, Kobe, Curry etc. did.

Which is weird because without the foreign players the league would be unwatchable. The foreign players are the only one with some personality and unique skill. All the american players are carbon copies.

[Axe]

Believe it or not, the league could suffer a decline once lekong retires.