Reminder: Lebron won 53 games with Kyrie and Love in 2017

[3ba11]

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[1987_Lakers]

Reminder: Bulls won 55 games without MJ

[SouBeachTalents]

Reminder: Bulls won 55 games without MJ
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[Neal Romer]

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[3ba11]

Reminder: Bulls won 55 games without MJ


The Bulls were trash without MJ and the Cavs were trash with Lebron

[1987_Lakers]

The Bulls were trash without MJ and the Cavs were trash with Lebron

1-9

[hateraid]

The Bulls were trash without MJ and the Cavs were trash with Lebron

You really suck at math

[3ba11]

You really suck at math


Bulls were borderline .500 in 95' before MJ returned to restore 3-peat

the 55 wins in 94' was placebo effect against sleeping opponents and this bubble burst in the playoffs and following season - pippen could never build a 50-win team from scratch - he was simply handed the keys to the most well-oiled machine ever and quickly destroyed the dynasty to 2nd round loss and borderline .500 in 95'.

[3ba11]

1-9


2-8 for Lebron in his prime with 2 all-star teammates vs fossil Duncan & 17' Warriors

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1-9 for rookie Jordan with lottery casts vs prime Bird & goat Celtics

[3ba11]

Reminder: Bulls won 55 games without MJ

opponents were no longer facing Ali or Babe Ruth when they faced the 94' Bulls, so no one gave a crap about playing them.. This is similar to the narrative earlier this season when Austin Reaves led the Lakers to a destruction of the Celtics in Boston without AD or Lebron - the narrative was that Boston wasn't up for the game, which was entirely true.. So consider that Pippen faced an entire season of this with no Ali for opponents to circle on their calendars and plan what they would tell grandkids - no need for that in 94'... So everyone knew the bubble would eventually burst and it did in the playoffs and following season - the "real" Bulls without MJ were borderline .500 in 95' before MJ returned to restore 3-peat capacity... Pippen could never build a 50-win team from scratch and was simply handed the keys to the most well-oiled machine ever (3-peat dynasty), which he destroyed to borderline .500 in less than 18 months.. This confirmed that any team with Pippen as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty as we saw in 95'.

[Phoenix]

Thatta boy OP, create a thread and failing serious replies just carry it on your own.:applause::applause:

[And1AllDay]

Reminder: Bulls won 55 games without MJ

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[tpols]

Reminder: Bulls won 55 games without MJ

How did Pippen with less help win more games than prime Lebron? Thats interesting...

[ShawkFactory]

How did Pippen with less help win more games than prime Lebron? Thats interesting...

Good point. He must be better then!

[FKAri]

No he didn't.

[gengiskhan]

How did Pippen with less help win more games than prime Lebron? Thats interesting...

1993 bulls UNDER-accomplised. UNDER performed in 1993 Reg Season.

1991 and 1992 deepest playoff runs. 1992 summer olympics. before that 1992 Tournament of Americas games. Jordan and pippen got no summer break.

1993 season. Bulls lost many close games. 1993 pippen despite 27-28 YO was much more fatigued defensively, sagged off too much, also lateral defensive quickness, pippen's especialty was missing this season. 1993 Jordan defense was even better. Nique and Mike were in the scoring title race. MJ also competed Blaylock for Steals title race. Both Atlanta Hawks guys vs MJ. MJ won both battles. that 2.8 spg vs blaylocks 2.5 spg was too close.

1993 Bulls could've done better imo. MJ was too fatigued too. there was a game at MSG in 1993, MJ and bulls were so gassed vs 1993 NYK. knicks blew bulls out by like 40 pts. MJ had like 15 pts I think. 1993 Bulls should've won 60-61 games instead of 57. 1993 Pippen stats dropped pathetically to 16 PPG. Last 3 regular season losses out of last 5 games, steller 1993 Jordan lost season MVP and DPOY to Charles and Hakeem respectively!.




1994 Bulls OVER accomplished and OVER performed. (3 All-Stars in line-up. first time ever)

GOAT is gone!. ZERO pressure. ZERO expectations.

Bulls already 3-peated. created history. Bulls added Kukoc. very good shooter with great stroke. shot like 3 game winners. Well rested entire summer. 28-29 YO Pippen and Co feasted. BJ feasted. picked up MJ points with kukoc and Pippen. 1994 Bulls had 3 All-stars!. Pip, BJ and Grant!. NO pressure. BJ became all-star starter!. 1994 Bulls were the most relaxed team ever in NBAs history. Pippen feasted when there was ZERO pressure. finished 3rd in MVP voting. Bulls won 55 games. thanks to Kukocs game winners. Pippens best season ever. what should've been 48-50 wins only.

[sdot_thadon]

Reminder all 3 of them missed significant amounts of games at some point in lebron's 2nd cavs run.

2nd reminder: Op is a slow bus passenger.

[Soundwave]

Reminder: Bulls won 55 games without MJ

So Pippen > LeBron then?

See this is why that whole line of logic is stupid.

The Atlanta Hawks also won 57 games that year with like Kevin Willis as their best player, the Bulls were 2nd in their own division.

[Soundwave]

1993 bulls UNDER-accomplised. UNDER performed in 1993 Reg Season.

1991 and 1992 deepest playoff runs. 1992 summer olympics. before that 1992 Tournament of Americas games. Jordan and pippen got no summer break.

1993 season. Bulls lost many close games. 1993 pippen despite 27-28 YO was much more fatigued defensively, sagged off too much, also lateral defensive quickness, pippen's especialty was missing this season. 1993 Jordan defense was even better. Nique and Mike were in the scoring title race. MJ also competed Blaylock for Steals title race. Both Atlanta Hawks guys vs MJ. MJ won both battles. that 2.8 spg vs blaylocks 2.5 spg was too close.

1993 Bulls could've done better imo. MJ was too fatigued too. there was a game at MSG in 1993, MJ and bulls were so gassed vs 1993 NYK. knicks blew bulls out by like 40 pts. MJ had like 15 pts I think. 1993 Bulls should've won 60-61 games instead of 57. 1993 Pippen stats dropped pathetically to 16 PPG. Last 3 regular season losses out of last 5 games, steller 1993 Jordan lost season MVP and DPOY to Charles and Hakeem respectively!.




1994 Bulls OVER accomplished and OVER performed. (3 All-Stars in line-up. first time ever)

GOAT is gone!. ZERO pressure. ZERO expectations.

Bulls already 3-peated. created history. Bulls added Kukoc. very good shooter with great stroke. shot like 3 game winners. Well rested entire summer. 28-29 YO Pippen and Co feasted. BJ feasted. picked up MJ points with kukoc and Pippen. 1994 Bulls had 3 All-stars!. Pip, BJ and Grant!. NO pressure. BJ became all-star starter!. 1994 Bulls were the most relaxed team ever in NBAs history. Pippen feasted when there was ZERO pressure. finished 3rd in MVP voting. Bulls won 55 games. thanks to Kukocs game winners. Pippens best season ever. what should've been 48-50 wins only.

Lets be honest, there's no question opponents took the Bulls more lightly that year because no one expected anything from them. That team was playing with pure house money that year.

[ImKobe]

Lets be honest, there's no question opponents took the Bulls more lightly that year because no one expected anything from them. That team was playing with pure house money that year.

Not only that but they were clearly a much worse team by the stats (ORTG, Net Rating) but kept a high win total thanks to all those close wins that went their way with role players hitting big shots in crunch time.

[gengiskhan]

Lets be honest, there's no question opponents took the Bulls more lightly that year because no one expected anything from them. That team was playing with pure house money that year.

Do you really think so? in all honesty?

opponents really took 1994 Bulls lightly and not brutally venge 3 years of beat down 1990-1993 Bulls gave to Pistons, Pacers, Knicks, Hawks, Cavs, magic, hornets, heat and rest of East Conf.?

Here is the Reality!

BJ became a next 1993 offensive pippen!. 15 PPG and all-Star Starter.
Grant became next 1993 Pippen. 15 PPG/11 RPG all-star reserve.
1993 Pip scored 16 PPG and improved to 22 PPG in 1994.
Kukoc was another 11 PPG player with solid mid-range game and post-up game 1994 Bulls added.

Opponents could not overcome this kind of 4 headed balanced offense 1994 Bulls outputted.
No pressure Pippen. just free flowing. Kukuc also stretched the floor.

Entire NBA was under pressure to lift a Championship except 1994 Bulls. Particularly 1994 Knicks. and 1994 Pacers. This was their window.
From the West Conf, Rockets (Hakeem top 3 players), Spurs (D'Rob top 3 players) and Sonics (best team in West) were under immense pressure to win a ring in this open window.

[gengiskhan]

Not only that but they were clearly a much worse team by the stats (ORTG, Net Rating) but kept a high win total thanks to all those close wins that went their way with role players hitting big shots in crunch time.

ROOKIE Tony Kukoc 25 YO......4 Game Winners vs East Conf teams.....3 Game Winners vs Championship Contenders (1994 NYK, PACERS, ORL)......1 Game Winner in Playoffs!

Enjoy!


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In today's day and age, if Luka comes close to this. we'll never hear the end of it. How "european player have taken over NBA." European ballers are more clutch than NBA players etc etc.

1998 NBA Finals, Game 5. when Jordan wildly missed the 0.8 sec Game Winner!.

Chicago sports critics questioned Phil and MJ. and right fully so. Jazz 84-82 Win. Gave them life. as they could win game 6 and 7 BACK HOME!.

Why 35 YO MJ took the wildly missed buzzer beater that Kukoc could have made. Tony was games highest scorer 30 Pts with whopping 86%FG (11/13) and 4/6 from 3 pts. 67%FG. AT HOME!.

Paxon made a championship winner in 1993 ON ROAD Game 6

Kerr made a championship winner in 1997 AT HOME Game 6.

Kukoc was robbed of championship winner in 1998 AT HOME Game 5!

1998 Bulls would've back door gentleman swept the 1998 Jazz in 5 games.

For some reason, sports fans think Bulls were this great super team. They were far from it and were beatable.

0.8 Secs.....game winner required?....forget GOAT or ATG superstar.....use the hottest hand (kukoc game leading 30 pts @ 85%FG)....complete Repeat3peat AT HOME!.

[sdot_thadon]

So we're now going with they won 55 games because no one wanted to beat them lol. And that it should be discounted somehow due to role players coming in clutch? You some weird dudes.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

‘14-‘15:

50-19 when LeBron played.
3-10 when he sat.

‘15-‘16:

56-20 when LeBron played.
1-5 when he sat.


‘16-‘17:

51-23 when LeBron played.
0-8 when he sat.


Quite the superteam yes. Very super 4-23 record when their carried star was on the bench. Emperor has no clothes.

[SouBeachTalents]

‘14-‘15:

50-19 when LeBron played.
3-10 when he sat.

‘15-‘16:

56-20 when LeBron played.
1-5 when he sat.


‘16-‘17:

51-23 when LeBron played.
0-8 when he sat.


Quite the superteam yes. Very super 4-23 record when their carried star was on the bench. Emperor has no clothes.
Not quite a 55 win team.

[1987_Lakers]

‘14-‘15:

50-19 when LeBron played.
3-10 when he sat.

‘15-‘16:

56-20 when LeBron played.
1-5 when he sat.


‘16-‘17:

51-23 when LeBron played.
0-8 when he sat.


Quite the superteam yes. Very super 4-23 record when their carried star was on the bench. Emperor has no clothes.

3ball in hiding mode now that Peja has appeared.

[Axe]

‘14-‘15:

50-19 when LeBron played.
3-10 when he sat.

‘15-‘16:

56-20 when LeBron played.
1-5 when he sat.


‘16-‘17:

51-23 when LeBron played.
0-8 when he sat.


Quite the superteam yes. Very super 4-23 record when their carried star was on the bench. Emperor has no clothes.
The redneck jizzrag (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?827668-Full-Court) should probably shoot himself in the head for whining that he's a dead weight which is totally bullshit.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

3ball in hiding mode now that Peja has appeared.

Funnily enough I think he sweet-talked his way to gettin the infamous Nuggets thread squashed.

I guess 6’8 Div 1 Boy can throw rimmers in more ways than one. Legend has it he’s still beating Richard Jefferson in make-it-take-it.

[3ba11]

Funnily enough I think he sweet-talked his way to gettin the infamous Nuggets thread squashed.

I guess 6’8 Div 1 Boy can throw rimmers in more ways than one. Legend has it he’s still beating Richard Jefferson in make-it-take-it.


That's why I stopped engaging you - you weren't into debating and only interested in appearing to "take me on"... It didn't matter that you were just trying to extend the interaction by any means necessary such as your clear troll post above and I had long won all the debates... That's why the thread died. It's because you lost about 100 different times

[3ba11]

3ball waiting until the next day to respond with Peja offline. :roll:


Peja agrees with me that Jordan is the goat so I beat him so many times

You guys are just delusional... I more than convinced him and all his posts that say he thinks MJ is goat proves that

[1987_Lakers]

3ball waiting until the next day to respond with Peja offline. :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

Peja agrees with me that Jordan is the goat so I beat him so many times

You guys are just delusional... I more than convinced him and all his posts that say he thinks MJ is goat proves that

What..so you just automatically win an argument if someone you’re arguing with thinks Jordan is the GOAT:lol

Man you really love setting yourself up for success.

[3ba11]

What..so you just automatically win an argument if someone you’re arguing with thinks Jordan is the GOAT:lol

Man you really love setting yourself up for success.


It isn't just that Peja agreed MJ was goat - we agreed on everything.. We discussed how Jordan has a massive track record of fitting well with teammates and teammates growing by leaps and bounds alongside him, while Lebron has zero examples of young player development and a long list of bad fits with many teammates - Peja wanted to provide excuses for each of the 15 bad fit examples that I provided - literally typing out each name and then writing a page for each one - of course this means he lost.. That's when I appropriately ended the debate because his posts became 100% trolls like his post in this thread - laughable attempts to keep the conversation going and appear be "taking me on".. It was a sad display

[ShawkFactory]

It isn't just that Peja agreed MJ was goat - we agreed on everything.. We discussed how Jordan has a massive track record of fitting well with teammates and teammates growing by leaps and bounds alongside him, while Lebron has zero examples of young player development and a long list of bad fits with many teammates - Peja wanted to provide excuses for each of the 15 bad fit examples that I provided - literally typing out each name and then writing a page for each one - of course this means he lost.. That's when I appropriately ended the debate because his posts became 100% trolls like his post in this thread - laughable attempts to keep the conversation going and appear be "taking me on".. It was a sad display

I respect your shamelessness.

[SouBeachTalents]

I respect your shamelessness.
He really missed his calling as a politician.

[3ba11]

‘14-‘15:

50-19 when LeBron played.
3-10 when he sat.

‘15-‘16:

56-20 when LeBron played.
1-5 when he sat.


‘16-‘17:

51-23 when LeBron played.
0-8 when he sat.


Quite the superteam yes. Very super 4-23 record without their star. Emperor has no clothes.


4-23 exposes that Lebron can't build anything - it exposes Lebron for having built nothing - zero chemistry development.

Specifically, when he's out, the team runs the same ball-dominator offense but with a crappier ball-dominator, OR they start over with a new offense entirely, which puts them in complete flux for the couple games that he's out.

Otoh, when Lebron was out for longer in 2023, the cast had time to develop new ball movement and 5-man basketball so that the Lakers were in the playoffs when he returned.. But when he's out for just a few games, the team is in complete flux because they never developed any real basketball or chemistry - so they must either start over with a new offense entirely, or run the same ball-dominance but with a weaker ball-dominator.. They're screwed either way over short time periods because the team never developed any chemistry and only ran an offense designed for 1 player to make the plays.

So it's a horrific place that Lebron puts his teams in... It's due to his selfishness of wanting to accumulate stats and also his lack of skills to play without ball-dominance.. He lacks expert jumpshooting skill and instinct to play off teammates (off-ball), so his teams cannot have the great ball movement and great chemistry required for great-performing casts, aka great teams.

It's interesting to see guys like Curry, MJ or Tatum have the skillset to develop great chemistry over many years, so they can just add pieces like Porzingas to fit seamlessly.. Otoh, Luka and Lebron couldn't fit with Porzingas and cannot seamlessly add players because they don't have a great chemistry system that they built.. They lack the skills for that and must dominate the ball instead, which yields weak chemistry and a lost team over short stretches.... and a lottery record on the championship level.

[sdot_thadon]

Peja agrees with me that Jordan is the goat so I beat him so many times

You guys are just delusional... I more than convinced him and all his posts that say he thinks MJ is goat proves that

Whether or not any of us agree that Mj is the goat doesn't make you any less a dumb **** with idiotic arguments:oldlol: you literally take the stupidest routes possible to make points that go agaisnt your goal.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

It isn't just that Peja agreed MJ was goat - we agreed on everything.. We discussed how Jordan has a massive track record of fitting well with teammates and teammates growing by leaps and bounds alongside him, while Lebron has zero examples of young player development and a long list of bad fits with many teammates - Peja wanted to provide excuses for each of the 15 bad fit examples that I provided - literally typing out each name and then writing a page for each one - of course this means he lost.. That's when I appropriately ended the debate because his posts became 100% trolls like his post in this thread - laughable attempts to keep the conversation going and appear be "taking me on".. It was a sad display

I think these lines were a little more convincing the first several hundred times you appealed to them.

What I and most others can confirm happened is that you simply had no answers left, then took your ball and went home. What I can only speculate about (though can’t confirm definitively) is that you had a good little cry afterward to get the thread binned, many months after your last reply. How sad. You really wanted that thing expunged, eh?

Btw you just “engaged me”, dummy.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Re: engagement.


4-23 exposes that Lebron can't build anything - it exposes Lebron for having built nothing - zero chemistry development.

Specifically, when he's out, the team runs the same ball-dominator offense but with a crappier ball-dominator, OR they start over with a new offense entirely, which puts them in complete flux for the couple games that he's out.

Otoh, when Lebron was out for longer in 2023, the cast had time to develop new ball movement and 5-man basketball so that the Lakers were in the playoffs when he returned.. But when he's out for just a few games, the team is in complete flux because they never developed any real basketball or chemistry - so they must either start over with a new offense entirely, or run the same ball-dominance but with a weaker ball-dominator.. They're screwed either way over short time periods because the team never developed any chemistry and only ran an offense designed for 1 player to make the plays.

So it's a horrific place that Lebron puts his teams in... It's due to his selfishness of wanting to accumulate stats and also his lack of skills to play without ball-dominance.. He lacks expert jumpshooting skill and instinct to play off teammates (off-ball), so his teams cannot have the great ball movement and great chemistry required for great-performing casts, aka great teams.

It's interesting to see guys like Curry, MJ or Tatum have the skillset to develop great chemistry over many years, so they can just add pieces like Porzingas to fit seamlessly.. Otoh, Luka and Lebron couldn't fit with Porzingas and cannot seamlessly add players because they don't have a great chemistry system that they built.. They lack the skills for that and must dominate the ball instead, which yields weak chemistry and a lost team over short stretches.... and a lottery record on the championship level.



You’re starting with a conclusion and working backwards. This is basically like the nut-hugger equivalent of a just-so story.

The fact is, no matter what their record was…it would’ve been used as ammo for an anti-LeBron screed.

If they were, say, 15-12 in those games, that would’ve been used as evidence that his supporting casts were good.

If they did even better, it would’ve constituted “unfair” help.

Instead they went 4-23, so that means LeBron-ball made them poor.

There is no possible record that would’ve been safe, or not used to narrative-craft with. Everybody reading this knows that.

It’s like arguing with a broken clock in human form, only your inanimate brethren are right significantly more often.

[SouBeachTalents]

Re: engagement.





You’re starting with a conclusion and working backwards. This is basically like the nut-hugger equivalent of a just-so story.

The fact is, no matter what their record was…it would’ve been used as ammo for an anti-LeBron screed.

If they were, say, 15-12 in those games, that would’ve been used as evidence that his supporting casts were good.

If they did even better, it would’ve constituted “unfair” help.

Instead they went 4-23, so that means LeBron-ball made them poor.

There is no possible record that would’ve been safe, or not used to narrative-craft with. Everybody reading this knows that.

It’s like arguing with a broken clock in human form, only your inanimate brethren are right significantly more often.
This is 1000% correct :lol

LeBron's teammates play well: He has an unfair talent advantage
LeBron's teammates play poorly: They're being diminished by Bron ball

Jordan's teammates play well: His brand of ball helps teammates excel
Jordan's teammates play poorly: He was carrying bums

https://i.gifer.com/Y9fh.gif

[ShawkFactory]

Re: engagement.





You’re starting with a conclusion and working backwards. This is basically like the nut-hugger equivalent of a just-so story.

The fact is, no matter what their record was…it would’ve been used as ammo for an anti-LeBron screed.

If they were, say, 15-12 in those games, that would’ve been used as evidence that his supporting casts were good.

If they did even better, it would’ve constituted “unfair” help.

Instead they went 4-23, so that means LeBron-ball made them poor.

There is no possible record that would’ve been safe, or not used to narrative-craft with. Everybody reading this knows that.

It’s like arguing with a broken clock in human form, only your inanimate brethren are right significantly more often.

Yep. Shaping things from both ends to put oneself in a win win situation narratively is a classic ISH tactic though. The only big thing is that 3ball is the only one who still does it really. Most who deployed that tactic before were younger and have grown up and either moved on or stopped doing it.

[Axe]

^^Lmao, only 3ball? Don't be a bit damn clueless. :oldlol:

Remember, we also used to have the super retarded jizzrag bt rh with the very same flawed logic. Kept whining that kong's teammates constitutes a superteam whenever they do so well without him. Yet when the results are vice versa, he supposedly makes them 'dead weight' even if they have lost several games without him. Truly cringe af.

Just saying, no way you'd forget if you're prominent on defending him against these obsessed retards. You ought to know this fact too.

[3ba11]

^^Lmao, only 3ball? Don't be a bit damn clueless. :oldlol:

Remember, we also used to have the super retarded jizzrag bt rh with the very same flawed logic. Kept whining that kong's teammates constitutes a superteam whenever they do so well without him. Yet when the results are vice versa, he supposedly makes them 'dead weight' even if they have lost several games without him. Truly cringe af.

Just saying, no way you'd forget if you're prominent on defending him against these obsessed retards. You ought to know this fact too.


You guys get the point - the horrific cratering of Lebron's teams when he's out for sudden, short-term situations exposes the lack of continuity and chemistry development of Lebron-ball - his casts of HOF's eventually re-invent the offense over longer time periods, such as AD in 2023 and 2024 without Lebron.

case closed and 3ball catching more bodies as usual

Btw, Lebron's "impact" has always been extremely overstated because people forget that team-hoppers GUT teams and that's what happened to the 2011 Cavs - they lost a decade of long-standing chemistry and lost their entire starting 5 - this includes Shaq, Varejao, Mo, Delonte and Zydrunas, which was 52 ppg and a decade of long-standing chemistry...

Then he did the same to the 2014 Heat but fossil Wade still nearly made the 16' ECF after being hurt in 15', so Lebron's absence basically had zero impact on the Heat.. And of course the 2019 Cavs saw their 4-year chemistry gutted again when Lebron left, while Love was out the entire year anyway and already gave up his prime to be cratered in Lebron-ball.

Of course Lebron only won 45 games in Year 5 (2008) before getting the all-star spacing that his stiff-arm needed in 2009 to be MVP or have a real contender... Then people forget that Jamison is a rare 20k scorer that outplayed Lebron in the 07' 1st Round - so it's pretty nice to have a better scorer than Pippen to play THIRD option in 2010, while the Cavs had better-ranked defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls since 07' - this is before Lebron became an all-defensive player, so the Cavs always had tremendous defensive help.

Essentially, Lebron's Cavs teams from 2006-2010 had better help on both sides of the ball than the 1st three-peat Bulls - this is statistical fact and historical record.

Finally, when we compare MJ and Lebron, only Lebron has a long list of teammates that played far better without him.. So when we compare MJ and Lebron, MJ grew and elevated teammates, while Lebron didn't by comparison.. The abnormal ball-dominance of bron-ball imposes spot-up roles and isn't 5-man basketball, so it isn't capable of developing the great chemistry required for a great-performing cast, aka great team/dynasty.

Carry on

[SouBeachTalents]

You guys get the point - the horrific cratering of Lebron's teams when he's out for sudden, short-term situations exposes the lack of continuity and chemistry development of Lebron-ball - his casts of HOF's eventually re-invent the offense over longer time periods, such as AD in 2023 and 2024 without Lebron.

case closed and 3ball catching more bodies as usual

Btw, Lebron's "impact" has always been extremely overstated because people forget that team-hoppers GUT teams and that's what happened to the 2011 Cavs - they lost their entire starting 5, such as Shaq, Varejao, Mo, Delonte and Zydrunas, which was 52 ppg and a decade of long-standing chemistry...

Then he did the same to the 2014 Heat but fossil Wade still nearly made the 16' ECF after being hurt in 15', so Lebron's absence basically had zero impact on the Heat.. And of course the 2019 Cavs saw their 4-year chemistry gutted again when Lebron left, while Love was out the entire year anyway and already gave up his prime to be cratered in Lebron-ball.

Of course Lebron only won 45 games in Year 5 (2008) before getting the all-star spacing that his stiff-arm needed in 2009 to be MVP or have a real contender... Then people forget that Jamison is a rare 20k scorer that outplayed Lebron in the 07' 1st Round - so it's pretty nice to have a better scorer than Pippen to play THIRD option in 2010, while the Cavs had better-ranked defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls since 07' - this is before Lebron became an all-defensive player, so the Cavs always had tremendous defensive help.

Essentially, Lebron's Cavs teams from 2006-2010 had better help on both sides of the ball than the 1st three-peat Bulls - this is statistical fact and historical record.

Finally, when we compare MJ and Lebron, only Lebron has a long list of teammates that played far better without him.. So when we compare MJ and Lebron, MJ grew and elevated teammates, while Lebron didn't by comparison.. The abnormal ball-dominance of bron-ball imposes spot-up roles and isn't 5-man basketball, so it isn't capable of developing the great chemistry required for a great-performing cast, aka great team/dynasty.

Carry on
1-9.

[3ba11]

1-9.


Pippen just happened to be there when the GOAT was entering his prime because history shows that MJ was unbeatable with a cast that Ant or Luka get destroyed with.. Bird and Magic needed super-teams to barely hang with the Bad Boys, while MJ swept them with nothing by comparison and many people felt that MJ could beat the Bad Boys by himself as he nearly did in 89' and 90'.

We know that MJ didn't have a DPOY teammate let alone a 4x DPOY like Rudy Gobert.. Anthony Edwards also had another teammate that was 2nd team all-defense, plus all-time veterans like Conley to carry the leadership in the backcourt.. MJ didn't have all that.. MJ didn't have a #1 draft pick franchise player teammate like Kyrie that can outplay peak Curry and 80's MJ (Ant)... MJ didn't have all that.. MJ just had an Iguoudala or Larry Nance-level sidekick that was inflated to all-time status and media accolade by the winning spotlight of 2 three-peats.

[Axe]

You guys get the point - the horrific cratering of Lebron's teams when he's out for sudden, short-term situations exposes the lack of continuity and chemistry development of Lebron-ball - his casts of HOF's eventually re-invent the offense over longer time periods, such as AD in 2023 and 2024 without Lebron.

case closed and 3ball catching more bodies as usual

Btw, Lebron's "impact" has always been extremely overstated because people forget that team-hoppers GUT teams and that's what happened to the 2011 Cavs - they lost a decade of long-standing chemistry and lost their entire starting 5 - this includes Shaq, Varejao, Mo, Delonte and Zydrunas, which was 52 ppg and a decade of long-standing chemistry...

Then he did the same to the 2014 Heat but fossil Wade still nearly made the 16' ECF after being hurt in 15', so Lebron's absence basically had zero impact on the Heat.. And of course the 2019 Cavs saw their 4-year chemistry gutted again when Lebron left, while Love was out the entire year anyway and already gave up his prime to be cratered in Lebron-ball.

Of course Lebron only won 45 games in Year 5 (2008) before getting the all-star spacing that his stiff-arm needed in 2009 to be MVP or have a real contender... Then people forget that Jamison is a rare 20k scorer that outplayed Lebron in the 07' 1st Round - so it's pretty nice to have a better scorer than Pippen to play THIRD option in 2010, while the Cavs had better-ranked defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls since 07' - this is before Lebron became an all-defensive player, so the Cavs always had tremendous defensive help.

Essentially, Lebron's Cavs teams from 2006-2010 had better help on both sides of the ball than the 1st three-peat Bulls - this is statistical fact and historical record.

Finally, when we compare MJ and Lebron, only Lebron has a long list of teammates that played far better without him.. So when we compare MJ and Lebron, MJ grew and elevated teammates, while Lebron didn't by comparison.. The abnormal ball-dominance of bron-ball imposes spot-up roles and isn't 5-man basketball, so it isn't capable of developing the great chemistry required for a great-performing cast, aka great team/dynasty.

Carry on
Dumb. You're just an obsessed moron who always moves the goal posts once people expose what kind of a lying dumbass you are.

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Pippen couldn't get out of Round 1 with Peak Hakeem and Barkley