Who would be the equivalent of Kevin Love last season?

[90sgoat]

Not to beat a dead 3ball horse, but lets be real, Lebron having Kyrie and Love on Cavs is way better than Luka having Kyrie and PJ Washington.

Love back then was coming off a 25-14 season if I recall, 2nd team(?) and some MVP votes.

Instead of PJ Washington, who would a similar player be? Maybe KAT?

And Lebron did do the same thing with Miami and Bosh.

[GimmeThat]

Domantas sabonis

[90sgoat]

Domantas sabonis

Good call and I agree.

Imagine Luka, Kyrie, Domantas.

Dynasty.

Lebron really did stack the deck like no one had or has since.

[GimmeThat]

Lebron really did stack the deck like no one had or has since.

rose to the pressure I suppose

[SouBeachTalents]

0% chance that fat Euro slob is beating the 2017 Warriors.

[Carbine]

The duo of Lively/Gafford in the playoffs has been as valuable as Kevin Love on the Cavs. I would argue more.

They're both fantastic finishers around the rim and on defense they are really really good just without the hype of the media. If you break it down they are borderline dominant defensively. Great time protectors around the hoop and can play in space on the perimeter, especially Lively. They are also very active on the boards.

[GimmeThat]

The duo of Lively/Gafford in the playoffs has been as valuable as Kevin Love on the Cavs. I would argue more.



I see Lively having a higher ceiling than Nikola Vučević

Gafford is your Reggie Evans/Drew Gooden/Taj Gibson type of big

[ShawkFactory]

The duo of Lively/Gafford in the playoffs has been as valuable as Kevin Love on the Cavs. I would argue more.

They're both fantastic finishers around the rim and on defense they are really really good just without the hype of the media. If you break it down they are borderline dominant defensively. Great time protectors around the hoop and can play in space on the perimeter, especially Lively. They are also very active on the boards.

Yea this is something that people tend to gloss over in their crusade against Lebron. Having a combination of Lively/Gafford on a team with Luka and Kyrie as the 1/2 is probably more valuable than what having Kevin Love in place of them would be.

Bosh was a little different because when he become the 3rd guy he was able to expand on and focus on others things he was good at.

Someone being a superior 1st option doesn't automatically mean that what they can do is more valuable when they're the 3rd guy.

[GimmeThat]

Bosh was a little different because when he become the 3rd guy he was able to expand on and focus on others things he was good at.

Someone being a superior 1st option doesn't automatically mean that what they can do is more valuable when they're the 3rd guy.

Wade's knee stopping him from being an elite rebound is underlooked for Bosh. Haslem was hurt in the 11 campaign. again, LaMarcus Aldridge was another guy that was compared to Bosh, and Bosh just took a beating in that poorly built Heat front court for the sake of friendship

[90sgoat]

Yea this is something that people tend to gloss over in their crusade against Lebron. Having a combination of Lively/Gafford on a team with Luka and Kyrie as the 1/2 is probably more valuable than what having Kevin Love in place of them would be.

Lebron also had Timofey Mozgov and Tristan Thompson.

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron also had Timofey Mozgov and Tristan Thompson.

Mozgov certainly isn't someone worth mentioning. Probably wouldn't see playing time on the Mavericks right now.

Either way. Doesn't change what I've said.

[RRR3]

Lebron also had Timofey Mozgov and Tristan Thompson.
:roll:

[warriorfan]

Not to beat a dead 3ball horse, but lets be real, Lebron having Kyrie and Love on Cavs is way better than Luka having Kyrie and PJ Washington.

Love back then was coming off a 25-14 season if I recall, 2nd team(?) and some MVP votes.

Instead of PJ Washington, who would a similar player be? Maybe KAT?

And Lebron did do the same thing with Miami and Bosh.

In his last season in Minny before playing with LeBron James, Kevin Love averaged 26.1/12.5/4.4/.591 TS%

The only 2 players to ever have that stat line are

https://i.postimg.cc/MHK1G4DZ/FC2-E0-D3-D-B0-C6-4978-B091-479490-FB49-DE.jpg

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=26.1&c2stat=trb_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=12.5&c3stat=ast_per_g&c3comp=gt&c3val=4.4&c4stat=ts_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.591&order_by=ws

1. Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar in 72
2. Kevin Love 14


edit: Prime Giannis has also done it once

[highwhey]

Lebron also had Timofey Mozgov and Tristan Thompson.

are you serious right now? i can't tell.

[SATAN]

OP is a ****ing idiot.

[NBAGOAT]

We have epm for those years now. Love wasn’t as good his numbers in 14(bad defense) like a +4, better than his numbers from 15-18 he was a 2.5-3 during RS. Would be like adding porzingis right now

[iamgine]

During '16 & '17 playoff I think Love performed around KAT or Aaron Gordon in 2024 playoff.

In the '18 playoff though, he was worse than PJ Washington today.

[90sgoat]

are you serious right now? i can't tell.

Mozgov was good in the first year he was there, particularly the finals.

[ELITEpower23]

In his last season in Minny before playing with LeBron James, Kevin Love averaged 26.1/12.5/4.4/.591 TS%

The only 2 players to ever have that stat line are

https://i.postimg.cc/MHK1G4DZ/FC2-E0-D3-D-B0-C6-4978-B091-479490-FB49-DE.jpg

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=26.1&c2stat=trb_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=12.5&c3stat=ast_per_g&c3comp=gt&c3val=4.4&c4stat=ts_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.591&order_by=ws

1. Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar in 72
2. Kevin Love 14


edit: Prime Giannis has also done it once

$tats guy eh?

Wanna go stats? LBJ GOAT THANKS

[warriorfan]

$tats guy eh?

Wanna go stats? LBJ GOAT THANKS

If Lebron guys object to this analysis and want to stop using box score stats….that’s fine with me

[SATAN]

Not to beat a dead 3ball horse, but lets be real, Lebron having Kyrie and Love on Cavs is way better than Luka having Kyrie and PJ Washington.

Love back then was coming off a 25-14 season if I recall, 2nd team(?) and some MVP votes.

Instead of PJ Washington, who would a similar player be? Maybe KAT?

And Lebron did do the same thing with Miami and Bosh.

Kevin Love was injured or played trash for much of 2 separate championship runs. He shot like 37% from the field in 2 championship runs and 40% on the last one. Way worse than whatever you're trying to suggest in this thread.

The stupidity of NBA fans is comical.