Do people really believe Caitlin Clark is popular because she's white?

[Wardell Curry]

There have been many white players throughout WNBA history. Nobody has cared. Sue Bird has one of the best careers ever and she's white and nobody cared nor do they currently care about Sue Bird. And Sue Bird was substantially better looking than Clark.

The most popular players in the NBA are black, because they're some combination of the best and or most spectacular. That's all that anyone really cares about. Being the best or being the most spectacular and she is pretty clearly the most spectacular player in women's basketball history, though obviously not the best. She will pull up from anywhere and shoot long bombs while leaning to the left. It's not something we've really seen in basketball history, let alone WNBA history.

The rest of the WNBA really is not spectacular. If Caitlin Clark were as black as Wesley Snipes, the needle for the WNBA would still be moved more than any point in league history by a wide margin.

She's the closest thing we've seen in terms of spectacular shooting in basketball history that we have to Curry. That's why she's popular.


When will enough be enough where we can move past race ending up as a central point of every conversation?

https://www.nba.com/news/top-selling-jerseys-2023-24-season-2

https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2024/04/top_selling_nba_jerseys-2023-24-16x9-1.jpg

Luka and Jokic are both in the top 5 players in the NBA and neither of them are top 5 in jersey sales because they are not the most popular. But they're white, so what gives? Because they're not Americans?

[warriorfan]

No. It’s just a trashy talking point to sell clicks.

[tpols]

She's popular because she's the best female basketball player ever if you watch the tape. Otherwise we'd all be on here hyping Sue Bird or Lisa Leslie.

The main thing about women's basketball that turns people off is how slow and unathletic they are. Clark is 6feet tall but moves with a man's quickness. If it werent for her physical weakness on the defensive end of the ball which could be exploited endlessly she has offensive NBA ability.

And we've never seen that from a women's basketball player. Which is why everybody for once was watching their game way more than usual.

[90sgoat]

I think white people do like to cheer for white women doing well in sports.

This is a particular thing among whites with northern european heritage, they really want women to be good at sports and make it a point to cheer for anyone who is.

[Wardell Curry]

I think white people do like to cheer for white women doing well in sports.

This is a particular thing among whites with northern european heritage, they really want women to be good at sports and make it a point to cheer for anyone who is.

Ok so it's not only about race but about genitalia. Got it.

[Hey Yo]

"The number of black media figures who despise Caitlin Clark because she’s white and pretend otherwise when they get called out on it keeps growing. Here’s Bill Maher last night with a black radio host. Watch it:

https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1802054333720060101?t=lkblExBfCxs6OuorbLK5Ng&s=19

[Nowoco]

Caitlin Clark is hated by most of the league because she's more popular, making more money than them and because she's straight. It's as simple as that. There may be some racial undertones with some of players but that's a case by case basis. The underlying reason is because of jealousy. Like Bill Burr says, women love seeing other women be successful until they're a threat to them. Clark is a major threat to their egos so they hate her. Being an ugly butch lesbian isn't marketable. That's the way the world is. Clark and Cam Brink, two rookies who are getting loads of attention, are both straight and in Brink's case, attractive. It's not a coincidence.

The fact that loads of black WNBA players and pundits are hating on Clark so openly makes them even less marketable. They come across bitter, vengeful and in some cases, racist. By doing so they're propping up her and sinking themselves.

[Neal Romer]

It's kind of a trick question. It implies there's only one reason she's popular, so that one reason either is or isnt "because she's white."

The reality is there's a multitude of factors as to why shes as popular as she is. Her game is one of them. Her appearance is one of them. Broken down further, being white is one of the appearance reasons. And probably so is her "middle America" look. And also her physique (she has nice legs).

Being popular means lots of people like her. And so there will be many different reasons. Being white, I'm sure, is part of the reason some people like her, and by contrast, part of the reason some people hate her.

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsxPWT9SXwM&t=598s

[coin24]

Caitlin Clark is hated by most of the league because she's more popular, making more money than them and because she's straight. It's as simple as that. There may be some racial undertones with some of players but that's a case by case basis. The underlying reason is because of jealousy. Like Bill Burr says, women love seeing other women be successful until they're a threat to them. Clark is a major threat to their egos so they hate her. Being an ugly butch lesbian isn't marketable. That's the way the world is. Clark and Cam Brink, two rookies who are getting loads of attention, are both straight and in Brink's case, attractive. It's not a coincidence.

The fact that loads of black WNBA players and pundits are hating on Clark so openly makes them even less marketable. They come across bitter, vengeful and in some cases, racist. By doing so they're propping up her and sinking themselves.

The market for ugly black lesbians is basically zero. No one wants to watch that or listen to their hateful racist rants blaming everyone else for no one watching them.

The league needs a major image overhaul, get some attractive girls in there, especially ones like brink who can actually play.
Don’t let these knuckle dragging Neanderthals interview and whine about “men get paid more” and pay gap blah blah when the league hasn’t made a cent for 30 years:lol

[ShawkFactory]

The market for ugly black lesbians is basically zero. No one wants to watch that or listen to their hateful racist rants blaming everyone else for no one watching them.

The league needs a major image overhaul, get some attractive girls in there, especially ones like brink who can actually play.
Don’t let these knuckle dragging Neanderthals interview and whine about “men get paid more” and pay gap blah blah when the league hasn’t made a cent for 30 years:lol

Yikes. Not necessarily disagreeing with the sentiment but there's certainly a better way to say that.

[hold this L]

The market for ugly black lesbians is basically zero. No one wants to watch that or listen to their hateful racist rants blaming everyone else for no one watching them.

The league needs a major image overhaul, get some attractive girls in there, especially ones like brink who can actually play.
Don’t let these knuckle dragging Neanderthals interview and whine about “men get paid more” and pay gap blah blah when the league hasn’t made a cent for 30 years:lol

Is Clark considered atractive though?

[highwhey]

Is Clark considered atractive though?

if you're attracted to elliot stabler from Law & Order

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOlzPrCXIAEVnlK.jpg

[Hey Yo]

Yikes. Not necessarily disagreeing with the sentiment but there's certainly a better way to say that.

:roll:

[FultzNationRISE]

The market for ugly black lesbians is basically zero. No one wants to watch that or listen to their hateful racist rants blaming everyone else for no one watching them.

The league needs a major image overhaul, get some attractive girls in there, especially ones like brink who can actually play.
Don’t let these knuckle dragging Neanderthals interview and whine about “men get paid more” and pay gap blah blah when the league hasn’t made a cent for 30 years:lol

This is a tactless and repulsive way of saying something that is frankly not wrong. And the WNBA will presumably have to reckon with it eventually.

[FultzNationRISE]

Is Clark considered atractive though?

It's all relative.

By playboy model standards? Not so much.

By the standard of people's perception of WNBA players? Absolutely.

[iamgine]

I legit thought she was the girl who had a 3pt contest with Curry. :lol

[Hey Yo]

Is Clark considered atractive though?

If Clark was a dyke... teammates and the opposition would be fighting to help her up off the floor.

[coin24]

Clark is alright looking, not great, but she can play.

Brink is much finer imo.


Also I don’t care. It needs to be said bluntly, the dyke league of whiners repels revenue.

[Manny98]

She's popular because she's the best female basketball player ever if you watch the tape. Otherwise we'd all be on here hyping Sue Bird or Lisa Leslie.

The main thing about women's basketball that turns people off is how slow and unathletic they are. Clark is 6feet tall but moves with a man's quickness. If it werent for her physical weakness on the defensive end of the ball which could be exploited endlessly she has offensive NBA ability.

And we've never seen that from a women's basketball player. Which is why everybody for once was watching their game way more than usual.

Clark isn't even a top 20 player in the WNBA :oldlol:

[Manny98]

if you're attracted to elliot stabler from Law & Order

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOlzPrCXIAEVnlK.jpg

:roll:

[j3lademaster]

She's popular because she's the best female basketball player ever if you watch the tape. Otherwise we'd all be on here hyping Sue Bird or Lisa Leslie.

The main thing about women's basketball that turns people off is how slow and unathletic they are. Clark is 6feet tall but moves with a man's quickness. If it werent for her physical weakness on the defensive end of the ball which could be exploited endlessly she has offensive NBA ability.

And we've never seen that from a women's basketball player. Which is why everybody for once was watching their game way more than usual.Even if she was(the best female player), Taurasi has had that title for years and no one gave a shit. That doesn't explain why she's popular.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's not the main reason. First and foremost she was an all-time great college player. But of course there is some racial element to it. Like Obama there are people that dislike her over race as well as people that like her over race.

[Jasper]

"The number of black media figures who despise Caitlin Clark because she’s white and pretend otherwise when they get called out on it keeps growing. Here’s Bill Maher last night with a black radio host. Watch it:

https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1802054333720060101?t=lkblExBfCxs6OuorbLK5Ng&s=19

THIS DUMPSTER finds outlets to prove his argument , yet main stream supports Cat.

[Jasper]

Caitlin Clark is hated by most of the league because she's more popular, making more money than them and because she's straight. It's as simple as that. There may be some racial undertones with some of players but that's a case by case basis. The underlying reason is because of jealousy. Like Bill Burr says, women love seeing other women be successful until they're a threat to them. Clark is a major threat to their egos so they hate her. Being an ugly butch lesbian isn't marketable. That's the way the world is. Clark and Cam Brink, two rookies who are getting loads of attention, are both straight and in Brink's case, attractive. It's not a coincidence.

The fact that loads of black WNBA players and pundits are hating on Clark so openly makes them even less marketable. They come across bitter, vengeful and in some cases, racist. By doing so they're propping up her and sinking themselves.

This is pretty spot on , but I seriously believe Cat will raise the interest and generate more money for the league , than anyone else.
She could become a larry Bird, but her frame is not big to push around the big dikes.
I'd say maybe a pistol Pete ..
I for one likes what she has brought to the league.

[Soundwave]

She's marketable because her game has been described as a "woman's version of Steph Curry" which is easy enough for most people to understand. People get it.

Being white probably helps a bit, but there are other dominant MVP caliber white WNBA players in the past, it didn't move the needle.

[Thorpesaurous]

I think there's more parallels between Caitlin Clark and Steph than anyone else. Particularly young Steph. It mostly stems from the demo of their fanbase. If they did a real analysis of her fanbase, I think you'd find a huge piece of it comes from younger kids. Middle School or younger. Particularly girls of that age. Steph absolutely connected with that demo massively when he first took off. More with boys obviously, but he probably reached girls of that age at a greater rate than anyone before him, with the possible exception of Jordan. I remember him reacting to a letter a young girl wrote him upset they didn't have his shoes in here size, and he flew her and her family to a game, and had Under Armor start with the girl sizes in his shoes. At the time, there was a theory, that I think has real legs, that part of the attraction was that kids that small could relate to the shooting. While kids are in awe of some of the physical stuff, they can't really consider ever doing it. But any kid can just throw the ball at the hoop, see a few go in, and dream on it, even though it's every bit and maybe moreso impossible than some of the physical stuff. Oddly, Steph had some similar struggles with the audience. There were definitely older fans, and older players, who viewed his game as soft. Can't win that way, is something Barkley was saying on the air for a few years. And as far as the race part of it goes, it's not nearly as severe, but there are fans who constantly pointed out he was lightskinned, along with Klay.

I think that's why she's so overwhelmingly popular. Being white probably doesn't hurt. I don't think she's good looking enough for that to matter. In fact not being particularly attractive probably helps with the younger girls, because they probably don't want to be held to that kind of standard.

I've been curious why this didn't happen so much with Ionescu. She was pretty heavily hyped. Isn't a physical freak, or particularly attractive. I wonder if she flew a bit under the radar because she had a bit of a stamp of approval from Kobe.

The UConn girls, who are often white, haven't seemed to have to deal with much of this. Maybe the UConn success gives them some kind of stamp of approval. Bird, Turasi, Breanna Stewart, I don't recall going through anything like this. Lobo sort of pre dates this. Paige Bueckers will be a really intersting case. But she's out of the closet at this point, and her extremely selfless all court game might get her more protection. Her game is closer to Ionescu.

And this league has never been super fond of the true physical freaks. I think because the feel so out of place. I thought Griner was going to be a much bigger star. And people seem to outright dislike Liz Cambage.

[3ba11]

She would be just another good player if she was black because all the young white girls that are fans of hers wouldn't be.... And black girls are more mature than to worship an athlete.. they prefer a singer then an athlete

[RogueBorg]

She would be just another good player if she was black

Isiah Thomas and Dennis Rodman said the same thing back in the 80's. They were wrong too.

[3ba11]

Isiah Thomas and Dennis Rodman said the same thing back in the 80's. They were wrong too.


So Clark = Bird now?

That's how delusional you are about your latest great white hype.

And comparing Clark to Bird makes it about race - indeed it's all about race - she's only getting inflated and compared to Bird because she's white

[Neal Romer]

I think there's more parallels between Caitlin Clark and Steph than anyone else. Particularly young Steph. It mostly stems from the demo of their fanbase. If they did a real analysis of her fanbase, I think you'd find a huge piece of it comes from younger kids. Middle School or younger. Particularly girls of that age. Steph absolutely connected with that demo massively when he first took off. More with boys obviously, but he probably reached girls of that age at a greater rate than anyone before him, with the possible exception of Jordan. I remember him reacting to a letter a young girl wrote him upset they didn't have his shoes in here size, and he flew her and her family to a game, and had Under Armor start with the girl sizes in his shoes. At the time, there was a theory, that I think has real legs, that part of the attraction was that kids that small could relate to the shooting. While kids are in awe of some of the physical stuff, they can't really consider ever doing it. But any kid can just throw the ball at the hoop, see a few go in, and dream on it, even though it's every bit and maybe moreso impossible than some of the physical stuff. Oddly, Steph had some similar struggles with the audience. There were definitely older fans, and older players, who viewed his game as soft. Can't win that way, is something Barkley was saying on the air for a few years. And as far as the race part of it goes, it's not nearly as severe, but there are fans who constantly pointed out he was lightskinned, along with Klay.

I think that's why she's so overwhelmingly popular. Being white probably doesn't hurt. I don't think she's good looking enough for that to matter. In fact not being particularly attractive probably helps with the younger girls, because they probably don't want to be held to that kind of standard.

I've been curious why this didn't happen so much with Ionescu. She was pretty heavily hyped. Isn't a physical freak, or particularly attractive. I wonder if she flew a bit under the radar because she had a bit of a stamp of approval from Kobe.

The UConn girls, who are often white, haven't seemed to have to deal with much of this. Maybe the UConn success gives them some kind of stamp of approval. Bird, Turasi, Breanna Stewart, I don't recall going through anything like this. Lobo sort of pre dates this. Paige Bueckers will be a really intersting case. But she's out of the closet at this point, and her extremely selfless all court game might get her more protection. Her game is closer to Ionescu.

And this league has never been super fond of the true physical freaks. I think because the feel so out of place. I thought Griner was going to be a much bigger star. And people seem to outright dislike Liz Cambage.


I completely agree about the Curry thing and I think her STYLE of play is the foremost requisite factor. It’s different than what people are used to and that draws attention. Same-old-same-old doesnt draw eyeballs even if it’s very effective, a la those dynasty Spurs ratings that were always in the dumper. Theyre prolly getting more views winning 24 games with Yama than they did when they were winning chips.

It also helps that she was on a team that made competitive final four runs two years in a row in a competitive field with some other decent looking girls in the mix. This helped gain viewers.

And finally, yes, America would probably care slightly less if this was A’alieeyah Boston doing it. It would still get attention just like coco gauff or simone biles or whoever. But maybe not as much of a sensation. But hey thats not Caitlin Clark’s fault, nor anyones fault. It’s just the reality. Clark deserves credit fir what shes done, andthe success shes achieved PRIMARILY through her basketball talent. But sure, when it comes to marketing and commercial appeal, there are also superficial factors that contribute

[ILLsmak]

it's the way she passes, too. She just sees the game on a different level. She's probably more Nash than Curry except she likes to jack. It's possible as time goes on, she will shoot less. If she had teammates with catch and finish skills, it would be over. She's thrown some nuts passes even in college.

I know yall want the embed, but peep.

WNBA passes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5KqqFo0Db8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkqwMW-VLaU

impressive. Cool.

Clark passes: (from college but lol) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9jioMM7iIw

I mean, she throws some moon gravity shit. She throws passes that just end up right where they are supposed to be. Her shooting is cool, but the way she passes like "the ball will be waiting for you" shows a much greater understanding of basketball than I have seen from WNBA players. But I admit I'm not some long term WNBA fan.

Her IQ is what is amazing. Her skill level. She could definitely be the GOAT. We shall see. Maybe she'll end up with CTE from being brutalized haha.

-Smak

[tpols]

Absolute masterclass vs Reese AGAIN yall.


https://youtu.be/x7RDyxoN4TU?si=g1M_fBFujjxMpkUp

What's the excuse this time?

[RRR3]

Absolute masterclass vs Reese AGAIN yall.


https://youtu.be/x7RDyxoN4TU?si=g1M_fBFujjxMpkUp

What's the excuse this time?
What do you mean excuse? We know she has a lot of potential, she just has been underwhelming most of the time so far.

[tpols]

What do you mean excuse? We know she has a lot of potential, she just has been underwhelming most of the time so far.

It's been like 15 games on a poor franchise.

Its just not just potential... she's patently better than most of these women. And that's been obvious for years.

Nobody gave a **** about Women's basketball until CC. And there's been plenty of great white women's players so it's not even about race.

[Wardell Curry]

You know what tho? **** her. She carries the shit out of the ball on her first move just like most of the women AND men do nowadays. This is just embarrassing.

Damn the refs and damn the fans for being ok with this trash.

[Wardell Curry]

https://i.postimg.cc/rm6wtpDv/Screenshot-2024-06-17-195357.png

Look at this shit. You can't even see her hand at all. Professional basketball is absolutely cooked. How dare the women say the WNBA is a purist's league. It isn't.

I mean don't get me wrong this isn't Ja Morant levels of offensive but it's still rough.

[tpols]

People don't dribble like Bob cousy anymore. And haven't for like 4 decades. You could cancel every NBA star in today's league off that fake outrage.

[Carbine]

She's obviously going to be the goat.

[Neal Romer]

You know what tho? **** her. She carries the shit out of the ball on her first move just like most of the women AND men do nowadays. This is just embarrassing.

Damn the refs and damn the fans for being ok with this trash.

It's not that the extra leeway on ball handling ruins the game or anything. Rules change, styles evolve. There's a ton of rules from the 60s that arent around today and nobody cares.

It's just the fact that nobody really knows where the line is. They need to clarify what exactly constitutes carrying, palming, traveling today. So that there's consistency in what each player is allowed to do. You dont want players gaining an advantage over opponents by doing the things the opponent isnt doing because they think it's illegal.

I dont think anyone wants to see EGREGIOUS levels of palming and such but I dont think people mind a little more freedom than what they could do five decades ago. They just have to be clear about where the line is now IMO. That's all.