So is Tatum an "expert jump shooter"?

[StrongLurk]

:lol:roll::oldlol:

Congrats to the Celtics though, I called them winning as soon as Jrue and Porz came on board.

[Carbine]

I think he's the most unlikeable star we have in the league. His post game interview was so weird, his commercial right after winning "now what are they gonna say?"

His Kobe stuff.... Man this dude is off.

[StrongLurk]

I think he's the most unlikeable star we have in the league. His post game interview was so weird, his commercial right after winning "now what are they gonna say?"

His Kobe stuff.... Man this dude is off.

I wouldn't say he is unlikeable, he is just super cringe with this stuff.

He is clearly a little overrated as a player though. I have never considered him a true top ten player in the league despite his three first team all nba selections. Although now that he won a ring, he will feel less pressure going forward so maybe next year is when he becomes a real superstar.

[Jasper]

1st qtr of final game , wide open shoots an air ball from 3 = expert

[warriorfan]

I think he's the most unlikeable star we have in the league. His post game interview was so weird, his commercial right after winning "now what are they gonna say?"

His Kobe stuff.... Man this dude is off.

I agree with a lot of this. He comes off as a huge weirdo goofball.

Him and KAT are just goofy cuck type characters.

[Wally450]

Honestly, everytime I see him shoot, I expect him to miss :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Honestly, everytime I see him shoot, I expect him to miss :lol
I can't believe how many layups he misses, I've honestly never seen anything like that :lol

[tpols]

Kidd really ****ed up doubling him so hard to start the series. Basically allowed Jrue and White and Hauser and Zingis and Horford etc. to go nuts. He should've let Tatum get his own and stay home on those other guys. That was a stupid strategy. He was treating Tatum like he was MJ.

[AirBonner]

To be fair to Tatum I think he would be amazing if he embraced the Pippen role

[3ba11]

Kidd really ****ed up doubling him so hard to start the series. Basically allowed Jrue and White and Hauser and Zingis and Horford etc. to go nuts. He should've let Tatum get his own and stay home on those other guys. That was a stupid strategy. He was treating Tatum like he was MJ.


that's why tatum could've gotten FMVP - he was the focus of the Mavs defense, and he was figuring it out as the series went on - he would've easily been FMVP if the series went 6 games

[3ba11]

To be fair to Tatum I think he would be amazing if he embraced the Pippen role


The pippen role is averaging 10-30 points less than the 1st option in every series and forcing the 1st option to defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load)

so no.. Tatum was an equal-scoring partner to Brown and therefore attracted equal defensive attention... So Brown never faced the max defensive attention that he would've faced if Pippen was his sidekick.

carry on

[ImKobe]

He's been a mediocre/streaky volume 3PT shooter his whole career. A younger Tatum was actually a more diverse player but they made him abandon the mid-range instead of improving on it.

[sdot_thadon]

The pippen role is averaging 10-30 points less than the 1st option in every series and forcing the 1st option to defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load)

so no.. Tatum was an equal-scoring partner to Brown and therefore attracted equal defensive attention... So Brown never faced the max defensive attention that he would've faced if Pippen was his sidekick.

carry on

You stfu, expert jump shooter my ass. If he's an expert then I feel bad for the other guys you tried to put in his lisr.

[Duffy Pratt]

In the finals, he shot 2 for 10 from midrange, and 26% from three. If that doesn’t scream “expert jump shooter” I don’t know what does.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tatum is that rare superstar that can positively impact the game even when his shot doesn't fall. The man is getting near triple doubles, 30 point games and winning a championship in a postseason where many of you are talking about how bad he played. What are teams going to do when he's hitting shots at a high level?

[Carbine]

The Celtics are stacked. If Tatum plays well (for a 1st team all NBA player) in the playoffs next year and the rest of the guys play decent they will be right back here again next year.

Their fourth best player is Jrue or Porzingus. On any other team they would be at worst the third most impactful player. And then you have super duper role player White as your fifth best player, although I think advanced stats would also say he is also an all star caliber player.

[3ba11]

You stfu, expert jump shooter my ass. If he's an expert then I feel bad for the other guys you tried to put in his lisr.


there's a formula for what qualifies as "expert jumpshooting" - and you can adjust the percentages to your liking but the proportion of shots that are jumpers and the number of these jumpers that assisted are the key factors in the formula:



any 25-point scorer that takes jumpshots for the majority of their shot attempts (50% or more) and is assisted on them at least 50% of them is an "expert jumpshooter"


Again, you can adjust the percentages but the key factors are being a high-scorer that takes jumpers for the majority of their shots and is assisted on at least half of them... Tatum fits these requirements (here (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628369/shooting)).. But I would think that to qualify as an "expert jumpshooter", you should have to take jumpers the majority of the time.

[RRR3]

there's a formula for what qualifies as "expert jumpshooting" - and you can adjust the percentages to your liking but the proportion of shots that are jumpers and the number of these jumpers that assisted are the key factors in the formula:



any 25-point scorer that takes jumpshots for the majority of their shot attempts (50% or more) and is assisted on them at least 50% of them is an "expert jumpshooter"


Again, you can adjust the percentages but the key factors are being a high-scorer that takes jumpers for the majority of their shots and is assisted on at least half of them... Tatum fits these requirements (here (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628369/shooting)).. But I would think that to qualify as an "expert jumpshooter", you should have to take jumpers the majority of the time.
Allen Iverson was an "expert jump shooter" by your retarded logic :roll:

[tontoz]

Tatum's jumper off the dribble is his weakness. It was especially bad during the playoffs. 3ball doesnt watch games so he wouldnt know.

[3ba11]

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All stats are from NBA.com (and linked below).. NBA.com defines "midrange" as shots inside 3-point line but outside paint:



.................eFG% All Jumpshots.................. Midrange

Lebron 2004 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 35.6%, 324/998............ 33.2%, 183/551
Lebron 2005 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 39.9%, 400/1136.......... 36.0%, 217/602
Lebron 2006 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 41.7%, 423/1166.......... 38.4%, 242/630
Lebron 2007 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 39.5%, 372/1066.......... 35.1%, 204/581
Lebron 2008 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 39.4%, 338/1001.......... 36.4%, 185/508
Lebron 2009 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 42.2%, 366/1024.......... 36.8%, 193/525
Lebron 2010 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 43.4%, 356/970............ 38.8%, 188/444
Lebron 2011 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 45.4%, 393/968............ 44.6%, 217/487
Lebron 2012 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 43.7%, 290/726............ 42.3%, 188/444
Lebron 2013 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 49.0%, 333/784............ 43.2%, 174/403
Lebron 2014 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 47.0%, 288/736............ 38.5%, 126/327
Lebron 2015 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 43.1%, 280/788............ 37.0%, 127/343
Lebron 2016 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 39.0%, 181/543............ 37.1%, 96/259
Lebron 2017 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 44.8%, 228/643............ 36.2%, 96/265
Lebron 2018 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 47.2%, 304/802............ 38.9%, 117/301
Lebron 2019 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 47.2%, 210/563............ 43.1%, 75/174
Lebron 2020 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 45.1%, 224/660............ 34.3%, 60/198


Bryant 2000 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 38.5%, 328/851.............. 39.7%, 201/506
Bryant 2001 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 43.0%, 460/1141............ 41.5%, 290/698
Bryant 2002 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 41.8%, 478/1184............ 40.9%, 321/785
Bryant 2003 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 44.1%, 597/1494............ 41.0%, 376/918
Bryant 2004 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 40.3%, 282/787.............. 38.3%, 151/394
Bryant 2005 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 43.5%, 346/947.............. 35.5%, 147/414
Bryant 2006 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 46.5%, 709/1724............. 42.4%, 414/976
Bryant 2007 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 46.7%, 556/1358............. 43.9%, 330/751
Bryant 2008 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 44.6%, 468/1217............ 38.8%, 256/660
Bryant 2009 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 45.0%, 519/1285............ 42.0%, 319/759


Jordan 1997 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/shooting?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular+Season).... 51.2%, 727/1528............. 48.9%, 588/1202


Currry 2015 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201939/shooting?Season=2014-15).... 56.0%, 424/1029............. 41.1%, 117/285
Currry 2016 (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201939/shooting?Season=2015-16).... 60.8%, 525/1191............. 45.3%, 86/200


TLDR: 97' MJ shot better on jumpshots than Lebron's career high efficiency on jumpshots despite MJ having nearly 3 times the volume.. Similarly, Kobe shot near Lebron's career high efficiency despite nearly 3 times the volume,




Allen Iverson was an "expert jump shooter" by your retarded logic :roll:


okay so an efficiency requirement should be added to the definition - 45% efg minimum? (see data above to gauge - I think just below Kobe's high end of 45% makes sense (on 2-3 times the volume of Lebron btw)

[beasted]

Both Tatum and Brown are the textbook definition of allstar non-superstars.

Some people think "well, he's made X number of allstar games and all-nba selections."

Ultimately these are the guys that typically fall off in the playoffs consistently. The only way to win with them at the helm is a stacked team.

But don't be confused. There's not a huge gap difference from Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire types and these guys.