2025 Project is terrifying

[John8204]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVNDr4ycLq4

Trump supporters are pushing for

massive tax cuts for the rich
massive spending increases for military/border
purges of thousands of government employees based on political ideology
removing the financial controls of congress
prosecution of teachers, librarians, and doctors
abortion becoming illegal in all 50 states

[highwhey]

needs to cut aid to ukraine and israel to zero

[RRR3]

needs to cut aid to ukraine and israel to zero
Ukraine is the Palestine in that situation, don't listen to idiots like Nanners.

[highwhey]

Ukraine is the Palestine in that situation, don't listen to idiots like Nanners.

i don't care which country is in the right...we have no business giving away billions or any amount of cash when we can't even get healthcare right or have exorbitant income taxes.

[RRR3]

i don't care which country is in the right...we have no business giving away billions or any amount of cash when we can't even get healthcare right or have exorbitant income taxes.
We can afford to do all those things lol. The government chooses not to give us healthcare or stop taxing poor and middle class people. Ukraine is just one of the rare times they're actually using their money decently, even if it's just because the US doesn't want to see Russia gain more territory.

[JohnnySic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQWU0GeWsAAvEVv?format=jpg&name=small

[RRR3]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQWU0GeWsAAvEVv?format=jpg&name=small
Zip him up after you finish.

[jstern]

We can afford to do all those things lol. The government chooses not to give us healthcare or stop taxing poor and middle class people. Ukraine is just one of the rare times they're actually using their money decently, even if it's just because the US doesn't want to see Russia gain more territory.

Considering that we're in June 2024, this comment exposes RRR3 as having a low IQ, comparable to Blade's. Though smarter than Off the Court, but definitely behind Axe, who is more intelligent.

[RRR3]

D-duh-uhhh-uhh-uhhh
:biggums:

[diamenz]

that's the uniparty. trump isn't really an outsider - he just puts on a show. the rich always get their tax cuts... big club, we ain't in it.

i just hope he does mass deportations and ends aid to ukraine/ends that war.

[highwhey]

that's the uniparty. trump isn't really an outsider - he just puts on a show. the rich always get their tax cuts... big club, we ain't in it.

i just hope he does mass deportations and ends aid to ukraine/ends that war.

he always folds to the establishment. just has a louder mouth than biden, that's really the only difference.

[j3lademaster]

needs to cut aid to ukraine and israel to zero

More money isn't going to solve that. We already spend more per capita on healthcare than any country in the world- including all the Scandinavian countries. We need change in leadership. All of that money is lining the pockets of corrupt private healthcare. There are certain things that need to be socialized when we have the means, and those things are necessities: protection(military and police), education, medical care, housing and food. Other than that, if you want a ferrari and a mansion with baddies in it, get out there and hustle.

[j3lademaster]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQWU0GeWsAAvEVv?format=jpg&name=smallThe guy who draft dodged is a ferocious fighter?

[j3lademaster]

he always folds to the establishment. just has a louder mouth than biden, that's really the only difference.That's not the only difference. The main difference is that they have very different masses to pander to. Biden has to at least pretend he cares of student debt, socialized medicine and education.

[highwhey]

That's not the only difference. The main difference is that they have very different masses to pander to. Biden has to at least pretend he cares of student debt, socialized medicine and education.

the "different" masses you're referring to

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[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVNDr4ycLq4

Trump supporters are pushing for

massive tax cuts for the rich
massive spending increases for military/border
purges of thousands of government employees based on political ideology
removing the financial controls of congress
prosecution of teachers, librarians, and doctors
abortion becoming illegal in all 50 states

That’s not all, it will also lead to a full blown Civil War….

Perhaps it could be the end of the world.

[RRR3]

the "different" masses you're referring to

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Disagree. While the Democratic and Republican politicians are pretty similar the voter bases are different.

[John8204]

That’s not all, it will also lead to a full blown Civil War….

Perhaps it could be the end of the world.

It won't be the end of the World but it will be similar to the Spanish Inquisition or the Reign of Terror in France.

[warriorfan]

It won't be the end of the World but it will be similar to the Spanish Inquisition or the Reign of Terror in France.

We will have to wait and see.

Me and fellow Democrats are gonna be building bunkers if Donald Trump is elected.

It’s going to be the end of the world.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Notice the board MAGAS won't address Project 25?

[John8204]

Notice the board MAGAS won't address Project 25?

It's batshit insane

Everytime Joe Biden makes a funny face or coughs we get a new thread.

But creating a system where the president can take control of funding and create his own military branch.

[diamenz]

Everytime Joe Biden stares off blankly into nothingness, gets lost on stage or literally shits in his pants we get a new thread.



fixed that for you. keep coping.

[SouBeachTalents]

The guy who draft dodged is a ferocious fighter?
:oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

fixed that for you. keep coping.

He's spot on. All we see about Biden are silly attempts to make him look like an old man. And while he is an old man, it's meaningless political fluff that has no relation to the state of the country. It literally has less impact than "mean tweets" do.

This is what you used to chirp in here.

Now we have something real. Abortion rights are already being striped away from young teens who accidently got knocked up. And you guys look the other way.

[SATAN]

The far right want you to think any other other option is the same if not worse. Don't be a dumb ****.

[rmt]

We can afford to do all those things lol. The government chooses not to give us healthcare or stop taxing poor and middle class people. Ukraine is just one of the rare times they're actually using their money decently, even if it's just because the US doesn't want to see Russia gain more territory.

We are over $34.8 trillion dollar in debt. We are BORROWING money for all aid to Ukraine (and all other countries including Israel) among other things. We CANNOT afford all those things. Petrodollars are no longer in US dollars. More and more countries are abandoning the US dollar as world's reserve currency and joining BRICS.

[Bill Gates]

We are over $34.8 trillion dollar in debt. We are BORROWING money for all aid to Ukraine (and all other countries including Israel) among other things. We CANNOT afford all those things. Petrodollars are no longer in US dollars. More and more countries are abandoning the US dollar as world's reserve currency and joining BRICS.

Most of this is false or just misleading. We just write bills and print money up, like we did for covid. Only when giving money to other countries, such as Ukraine, it does not flood our own country with more money so it does not contribute to inflation.

And the US dollar is doing better than the vast majority of other currencies out there. We inflated less than all the others and the US dollar is very strong currently. You mention petrodollars and BRICS, but the US dollar losing ground in international use has nothing to do with it's strength and more to do with globalization and the world's economy growing over time.

[Hey Yo]

It's batshit insane

Everytime Joe Biden makes a funny face or coughs we get a new thread.

But creating a system where the president can take control of funding and create his own military branch.

Biden's already created a new military branch by letting over 10mil illegals into this country and now trying to amnesty 550,000 more. He's ran this country straight into the shitter. All of it in hopes of getting more votes.

Please tell us more about what's allegedly going to happen when Trump gets back in office.

[RRR3]

We are over $34.8 trillion dollar in debt. We are BORROWING money for all aid to Ukraine (and all other countries including Israel) among other things. We CANNOT afford all those things. Petrodollars are no longer in US dollars. More and more countries are abandoning the US dollar as world's reserve currency and joining BRICS.
We spend billions on pointless military stuff. Cut that out and we’d be fine. Besides why do you love Trump if you care about the debt? :lol

[j3lademaster]

the "different" masses you're referring to

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/mFiywP9BUHDC8AIRBDYJvXdfQiA=/1400x1050/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/23265504/Spider_Man_meme.jpgyou don’t think the average Trump supporter and leftist have very different ideologies?

[j3lademaster]

We spend billions on pointless military stuff. Cut that out and we’d be fine. Besides why do you love Trump if you care about the debt? :lol
That’s the question. Why are you even republican if you’re truly fiscally conservative, their politicians embody less than the dems by far. Unless you mean fiscally conservative ONLY when it comes to the whole of society, because when Wall Street needs a handout, military contractors wanna be paid the coffers sure are open.

[John8204]

We are over $34.8 trillion dollar in debt. We are BORROWING money for all aid to Ukraine (and all other countries including Israel) among other things. We CANNOT afford all those things. Petrodollars are no longer in US dollars. More and more countries are abandoning the US dollar as world's reserve currency and joining BRICS.


And if Ukraine falls I'm sure Putin will stop right there and not move into any other country. I'm not crazy about government spending but that's not what this Project 2025 is about. This is about putting Trump hardliners in every avenue of government...to remove checks and balances of power. What they want is not to serve the will of the people but the will of a minority.

Also you aren't going to cut US debt if you put someone in office that's main mission will be to cut income coming in.

[highwhey]

you don’t think the average Trump supporter and leftist have very different ideologies?

no. they quite literally flip on their stances every other week.

rmbr when they backed the "blue line" movement to oppose leftists calling for less police funding? and now they're anti-law enforcement bc the establishment is trying to use the justice system to bring down trump LOL.

or when they were anti-woke and thicc skinned people that didn't like being called racists for racist things but are now crying that the government is being racist against white people? LMAO

or when they were anti-war/anti-globalists but are now totally backing israel and their massacre of 30,000 palestinians? this is quite sad.

the list goes on. these idiots don't know up from down, they will support any stance then oppose that same stance the very next morning. ideological fluidity.

[JohnnySic]

I am anti war so far as it involves the US only. Israel and Palestine?

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[Lakers Legend#32]

Every single MAGA will suffer under Project 2025 but they will still vote against their interests because Trump is a cult of personality.

[diamenz]

I am anti war so far as it involves the US only. Israel and Palestine?

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i know that what you just said here is your cop-out because you've always claimed to be anti-war but since conservatives support israel you don't want to go against your team now, but we've sent israel over $300 billion for their wars and military defense since ww2. so you may want to reconsider.

[diamenz]

And if Ukraine falls I'm sure Putin will stop right there and not move into any other country.

there's no evidence showing this to be the case. you're only repeating this talking point because it's what the foreign policy establishment and their cohorts in the media have brainwashed you into thinking it to be so.

[JohnnySic]

i know that what you just said here is your cop-out because you've always claimed to be anti-war but since conservatives support israel you don't want to go against your team now, but we've sent israel over $300 billion for their wars and military defense since ww2. so you may want to reconsider.

No, I truly dont care if other countries fight wars; In fact, I encourage it. Other countries fighting and weakening themselves is good for us.

"America First" isn't just an expression.

And conservatives dont have the hive mind that liberals do. Many conservatives support Israel; others like me dont care. Conservatives disagree on many things.

[SATAN]

there's no evidence showing this to be the case. you're only repeating this talking point because it's what the foreign policy establishment and their cohorts in the media have brainwashed you into thinking it to be so.

:facepalm

[diamenz]

No, I truly dont care if other countries fight wars; In fact, I encourage it. Other countries fighting and weakening themselves is good for us.

"America First" isn't just an expression.

And conservatives dont have the hive mind that liberals do. Many conservatives support Israel; others like me dont care. Conservatives disagree on many things.

fine, but why not go out of your way to call out how israel has our government by the balls and milks all of the $ out of it and it's citizens that it so desires? netanyahu demands and we oblige without question.

being cucked out by another country both fiscally and militarily isn't my idea of america first, especially to the extent that the israel lobby, again, has our balls in a vice... and that's an understatement.

[diamenz]

:facepalm

great argument. you've gone and changed my mind!

[JohnnySic]

fine, but why not go out of your way to call out how israel has our government by the balls and milks all of the $ out of it and it's citizens that it so desires? netanyahu demands and we oblige without question.

being cucked out by another country both fiscally and militarily isn't my idea of america first, especially to the extent that the israel lobby, again, has our balls in a vice... and that's an understatement.

I agree. I'm not sure why we support Israel so much; only thing I can think of that its useful to have a reliable ally in that volatile region. Well, that and the Israel lobby is very strong.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Notice the MAGAS are running away from defending Project 25.

[Jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVNDr4ycLq4

Trump supporters are pushing for

massive tax cuts for the rich
massive spending increases for military/border
purges of thousands of government employees based on political ideology
removing the financial controls of congress
prosecution of teachers, librarians, and doctors
abortion becoming illegal in all 50 states

forgot cutting off the world from USA ...

And declaring a Patriot the 33rd Riech

[Jasper]

I really can't see him in an uniform,but if you have stars nd stripes clown outfits that fits this slob , post them.

[John8204]

there's no evidence showing this to be the case. you're only repeating this talking point because it's what the foreign policy establishment and their cohorts in the media have brainwashed you into thinking it to be so.


:facepalm

I'm not brainwashed your brainwashed. Why yes we do need a foreign policy establishment class, you do understand that if you don't worry about foreign policy and what happens to your neighbors you can end up with y'know World Wars. And this 2025 project of rotating out diplomatic offices with every new administration could led to y'know the collapse of our country.

It's kinda amazing that people are so focused on immigration and yet crazy enough it seems that the money always seems to go to warehousing poor brown people. The money never seem to go to the businesses hiring them and taking advantage of the situation. We don't seem to do anything the social and economic collapse of our neighbors...because as well all know if your neighbor house is on fire the fire respects property lines and doesn't jump over to your house.

For four years we saw the direct economic entanglements Trump had with Russia, China, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. They poored money into the Trump economy and they got favors back. We saw in the release of information that Trump was directly tied to a media corporation in Fox News. Trump literally has his own media/propaganda branch. And yet you sit there and argue about talking points and wait and see what happens if a brutal nation decides to invade it's neighbors the thing it's been talking about. And you are going to vote for a guy who wants to get out of NATO and gets money from Russian oligarchs. Whats the worse that could happen....

[SATAN]

I'm not brainwashed your brainwashed. Why yes we do need a foreign policy establishment class, you do understand that if you don't worry about foreign policy and what happens to your neighbors you can end up with y'know World Wars. And this 2025 project of rotating out diplomatic offices with every new administration could led to y'know the collapse of our country.

It's kinda amazing that people are so focused on immigration and yet crazy enough it seems that the money always seems to go to warehousing poor brown people. The money never seem to go to the businesses hiring them and taking advantage of the situation. We don't seem to do anything the social and economic collapse of our neighbors...because as well all know if your neighbor house is on fire the fire respects property lines and doesn't jump over to your house.

For four years we saw the direct economic entanglements Trump had with Russia, China, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. They poored money into the Trump economy and they got favors back. We saw in the release of information that Trump was directly tied to a media corporation in Fox News. Trump literally has his own media/propaganda branch. And yet you sit there and argue about talking points and wait and see what happens if a brutal nation decides to invade it's neighbors the thing it's been talking about. And you are going to vote for a guy who wants to get out of NATO and gets money from Russian oligarchs. Whats the worse that could happen....

Now he'll tell you what some random "alternative news" article wants him to think while accusing you of watching CNN. :lol

[diamenz]

I'm not brainwashed your brainwashed. Why yes we do need a foreign policy establishment class, you do understand that if you don't worry about foreign policy and what happens to your neighbors you can end up with y'know World Wars. And this 2025 project of rotating out diplomatic offices with every new administration could led to y'know the collapse of our country.

It's kinda amazing that people are so focused on immigration and yet crazy enough it seems that the money always seems to go to warehousing poor brown people. The money never seem to go to the businesses hiring them and taking advantage of the situation. We don't seem to do anything the social and economic collapse of our neighbors...because as well all know if your neighbor house is on fire the fire respects property lines and doesn't jump over to your house.

For four years we saw the direct economic entanglements Trump had with Russia, China, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. They poored money into the Trump economy and they got favors back. We saw in the release of information that Trump was directly tied to a media corporation in Fox News. Trump literally has his own media/propaganda branch. And yet you sit there and argue about talking points and wait and see what happens if a brutal nation decides to invade it's neighbors the thing it's been talking about. And you are going to vote for a guy who wants to get out of NATO and gets money from Russian oligarchs. Whats the worse that could happen....

you're rambling.

again, point me to the evidence that putin has hegemonic ambitions beyond ukraine, particularly into eastern europe.

answer me this. why did putin invade ukraine, what's the history behind that decision and how far back does it go?


vote for a guy who wants to get out of NATO



nato is finished - it's only a matter of time before that alliance is history. it has too many countries enlisted to the point where no one can agree on anything anymore. if anything, it will reform into a euro alliance without our involvement. our capabilities to aid european countries through an article 5 guarantee is severely limited as has been demonstrated through the disaster we've caused in ukraine.


gets money from Russian oligarchs

:roll:

you're seriously still on about this? even cnn and msnbc haven't touched on this for years. i think this statement makes it pretty clear how misinformed you are.


Trump literally has his own media/propaganda branch

well no shit sherlock. it's not just trump but the republican establishment as a whole. it's their propaganda news network in the same way msnbc/cnn is for the democrats.

[John8204]

you're rambling.

No I'm ranting


again, point me to the evidence that putin has hegemonic ambitions beyond ukraine, particularly into eastern europe.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/84b97qSl0po

Troops on the Finnish border, threats to Poland about Belarus (Russia proxy) and meeting with King Jung Un in North Korea. But aside from the war in Ukraine I'm sure he'll stop if he wins that one little country.


answer me this. why did putin invade ukraine, what's the history behind that decision and how far back does it go?

10 years ago the Pro-Russian government was overthrown and Russia invaded the Crimea region. Which they did as a war crime as they didn't even declare themselves. They expelled the Tarters (white Muslims) and took over the region. When Ukraine pushed to join NATO they invaded the nation and we're now in a proxy war.



nato is finished - it's only a matter of time before that alliance is history. it has too many countries enlisted to the point where no one can agree on anything anymore. if anything, it will reform into a euro alliance without our involvement. our capabilities to aid european countries through an article 5 guarantee is severely limited as has been demonstrated through the disaster we've caused in ukraine.



you're seriously still on about this? even cnn and msnbc haven't touched on this for years. i think this statement makes it pretty clear how misinformed you are.

On Trumps economic times to foreign entities...yes I'm still on this. I'm also still on all the sexual assault allegations and the fraudulent university he ran. Can me an old fashioned square but I'm not just going to move on from Trump running a ponzi scheme, assaulting women, and taking money from foreign countries...including North Korea.


well no shit sherlock. it's not just trump but the republican establishment as a whole. it's their propaganda news network in the same way msnbc/cnn is for the democrats.

It stopped being the 'same thing' when one media source spread lies that compromised our democracy and our elections.

[diamenz]

No I'm ranting



https://www.youtube.com/shorts/84b97qSl0po

Troops on the Finnish border, threats to Poland about Belarus (Russia proxy) and meeting with King Jung Un in North Korea. But aside from the war in Ukraine I'm sure he'll stop if he wins that one little country.



10 years ago the Pro-Russian government was overthrown and Russia invaded the Crimea region. Which they did as a war crime as they didn't even declare themselves. They expelled the Tarters (white Muslims) and took over the region. When Ukraine pushed to join NATO they invaded the nation and we're now in a proxy war.







On Trumps economic times to foreign entities...yes I'm still on this. I'm also still on all the sexual assault allegations and the fraudulent university he ran. Can me an old fashioned square but I'm not just going to move on from Trump running a ponzi scheme, assaulting women, and taking money from foreign countries...including North Korea.



It stopped being the 'same thing' when one media source spread lies that compromised our democracy and our elections.

see, this is exactly what i mean when i say that we've (the west) have been lied to and conditioned to believe by the global elites and neocons that putin is joseph stalin and is a madman. we've been led to believe that putin has ambitions to invade nordic & baltic countries, push into eastern europe and reinstate the soviet union. now to be fair, in his idealistic dream state he may want this but that isn't the question. the question is whether or not he's going to act on it and the answer is NO. putin is no fool. he does not want a war with the collective west as he knows it's a war he would NOT WIN.

putin is only acting in the best interests of russia's security and what he's doing now in ukraine is similar to what's stated in our monroe doctrine. this is how great powers act - putin is responding to western aggression through years of nato expansion east into russia's sphere of influence. ukraine was the last straw as it holds key strategic economic and military interest to russia's national security as well as western intrusion now posing as an existential threat. we've invested billions of $ over the last decade to build up ukraine and train it's military to serve as a western bulwark against russia. it's not just putin but ANY russian government that would have acted in the same manner in response to the west attempting to wretch ukraine into it's geopolitical orbit. and now the nordic and baltic countries you speak of are only digging themselves into a hole joining nato and serving as military bases where equipment, troops and ultimately nuclear weapons can be installed by the us directly on russia's border. so instead of being neutral, sovereign countries they're now sitting ducks in the hands of neocons. WE'RE provoking russia from finland literally all of the way to armenia. this is unacceptable to putin, understandably. just imagine if russia created an alliance the size and scope of nato, enlisted canada and mexico into their ranks and armed them to the teeth. what would we do?

...but you don't hear this side of the story. all you hear is how putin is a madman, invaded ukraine unprovoked and is hellbent on creating a greater russia. this is nonsense. putin wants a neutral ukraine, wants to end this war and get back to busines with europe. but since we don't want to do that, he'll be forced to take kiev, execute zelensky and reinstate that moscow-friendly government in kiev that you mentioned... which btw it's overthrow in 2014 was orchestrated by the cia.

so again, it's WE who have been the passive-aggressors intruding upon russia's sphere of influence and ultimately into a zone (ukraine) which russia considers vital to national security; and essentially become hypocrites in regard to what would theoretically be their monroe doctrine. russia's behavior towards ukraine as well as it's other neighbors may be abrasive, but again, it's only operating as great oowers tend to do inside their sphere of influence. people need to understand this.

..and you mentioned kim. this is simply putin's way of escalating horizontally against the united states. he's showing that what's good for us can be good for him as well, in the same way that he reorganized trade due to western sanctions and instead looked south and west to india & china in order to keep the russian economy humming, which he has indeed done.

[BurningHammer]

see, this is exactly what i mean when i say that we've (the west) have been lied to and conditioned to believe by the global elites and neocons that putin is joseph stalin and is a madman. we've been led to believe that putin has ambitions to invade nordic & baltic countries, push into eastern europe and reinstate the soviet union. now to be fair, in his idealistic dream state he may want this but that isn't the question. the question is whether or not he's going to act on it and the answer is NO. putin is no fool. he does not want a war with the collective west as he knows it's a war he would NOT WIN.

putin is only acting in the best interests of russia's security and what he's doing now in ukraine is similar to what's stated in our monroe doctrine. this is how great powers act - putin is responding to western aggression through years of nato expansion east into russia's sphere of influence. ukraine was the last straw as it holds key strategic economic and military interest to russia's national security as well as western intrusion now posing as an existential threat. we've invested billions of $ over the last decade to build up ukraine and train it's military to serve as a western bulwark against russia. it's not just putin but ANY russian government that would have acted in the same manner in response to the west attempting to wretch ukraine into it's geopolitical orbit. and now the nordic and baltic countries you speak of are only digging themselves into a hole joining nato and serving as military bases where equipment, troops and ultimately nuclear weapons can be installed by the us directly on russia's border. so instead of being neutral, sovereign countries they're now sitting ducks in the hands of neocons. WE'RE provoking russia from finland literally all of the way to armenia. this is unacceptable to putin, understandably. just imagine if russia created an alliance the size and scope of nato, enlisted canada and mexico into their ranks and armed them to the teeth. what would we do?

...but you don't hear this side of the story. all you hear is how putin is a madman, invaded ukraine unprovoked and is hellbent on creating a greater russia. this is nonsense. putin wants a neutral ukraine, wants to end this war and get back to busines with europe. but since we don't want to do that, he'll be forced to take kiev, execute zelensky and reinstate that moscow-friendly government in kiev that you mentioned... which btw it's overthrow in 2014 was orchestrated by the cia.

so again, it's WE who have been the passive-aggressors intruding upon russia's sphere of influence and ultimately into a zone (ukraine) which russia considers vital to national security; and essentially become hypocrites in regard to what would theoretically be their monroe doctrine. russia's behavior towards ukraine as well as it's other neighbors may be abrasive, but again, it's only operating as great oowers tend to do inside their sphere of influence. people need to understand this.

..and you mentioned kim. this is simply putin's way of escalating horizontally against the united states. he's showing that what's good for us can be good for him as well, in the same way that he reorganized trade due to western sanctions and instead looked south and west to india & china in order to keep the russian economy humming, which he has indeed done.
This definitely is rambling :oldlol:

[SATAN]

see, this is exactly what i mean when i say that we've (the west) have been lied to and conditioned to believe by the global elites and neocons that putin is joseph stalin and is a madman. we've been led to believe that putin has ambitions to invade nordic & baltic countries, push into eastern europe and reinstate the soviet union. now to be fair, in his idealistic dream state he may want this but that isn't the question. the question is whether or not he's going to act on it and the answer is NO. putin is no fool. he does not want a war with the collective west as he knows it's a war he would NOT WIN.

putin is only acting in the best interests of russia's security and what he's doing now in ukraine is similar to what's stated in our monroe doctrine. this is how great powers act - putin is responding to western aggression through years of nato expansion east into russia's sphere of influence. ukraine was the last straw as it holds key strategic economic and military interest to russia's national security as well as western intrusion now posing as an existential threat. we've invested billions of $ over the last decade to build up ukraine and train it's military to serve as a western bulwark against russia. it's not just putin but ANY russian government that would have acted in the same manner in response to the west attempting to wretch ukraine into it's geopolitical orbit. and now the nordic and baltic countries you speak of are only digging themselves into a hole joining nato and serving as military bases where equipment, troops and ultimately nuclear weapons can be installed by the us directly on russia's border. so instead of being neutral, sovereign countries they're now sitting ducks in the hands of neocons. WE'RE provoking russia from finland literally all of the way to armenia. this is unacceptable to putin, understandably. just imagine if russia created an alliance the size and scope of nato, enlisted canada and mexico into their ranks and armed them to the teeth. what would we do?

...but you don't hear this side of the story. all you hear is how putin is a madman, invaded ukraine unprovoked and is hellbent on creating a greater russia. this is nonsense. putin wants a neutral ukraine, wants to end this war and get back to busines with europe. but since we don't want to do that, he'll be forced to take kiev, execute zelensky and reinstate that moscow-friendly government in kiev that you mentioned... which btw it's overthrow in 2014 was orchestrated by the cia.

so again, it's WE who have been the passive-aggressors intruding upon russia's sphere of influence and ultimately into a zone (ukraine) which russia considers vital to national security; and essentially become hypocrites in regard to what would theoretically be their monroe doctrine. russia's behavior towards ukraine as well as it's other neighbors may be abrasive, but again, it's only operating as great oowers tend to do inside their sphere of influence. people need to understand this.

..and you mentioned kim. this is simply putin's way of escalating horizontally against the united states. he's showing that what's good for us can be good for him as well, in the same way that he reorganized trade due to western sanctions and instead looked south and west to india & china in order to keep the russian economy humming, which he has indeed done.

Get off your high horse.

[warriorfan]

Jackoffhammer and rrr3 having a low iq meltdown :lol

[BurningHammer]

Jackoffhammer and rrr3 having a low iq meltdown :lol

:milton

[John8204]

Get off your high horse.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA_OFOKU61I&list=RDNSYA_OFOKU61I&start_radio=1

Quick Russia defend yourself that woman gave 50 dollars to charity lock her up!

[diamenz]

https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/b05f5354e31b7ea3dfbee3bb258791b11c18b57b341f6c0c5f 7270219988d76b_1.jpg

:rolleyes:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Hitler had Mein Kampf.

MAGAS have Project 25.