Is Derrick Rose the 2nd best Bulls ever peak wise?

[iamgine]

2011 Rose was pretty amazing.

[gengiskhan]

2011 Rose was pretty amazing.

Good? Yes

Very Good? Yes.

Great? no.

MVP worthy? no.

I like to keep it consistant. No SG should be awarded season MVP shooting at 44%FG. that too at 25 ppg.

Had he shot around 48%FG, that PPG would've looked 27+.

2001 AI may have scored 31 PPG but shot a poor 42%FG.

2001 Shaq was robbed of Back-2-Back Season MVPs and 2nd MVP Sweep (MVP and FMVP in same season).

2001 Shaq was punished by NBA for 29 ppg at 57%FG.

[j3lademaster]

Good? Yes

Very Good? Yes.

Great? no.

MVP worthy? no.

I like to keep it consistant. No SG should be awarded season MVP shooting at 44%FG. that too at 25 ppg.

Had he shot around 48%FG, that PPG would've looked 27+.

2001 AI may have scored 31 PPG but shot a poor 42%FG.

2001 Shaq was robbed of Back-2-Back Season MVPs and 2nd MVP Sweep (MVP and FMVP in same season).

2001 Shaq was punished by NBA for 29 ppg at 57%FG.ok, but the op’s question was whether he’s the 2nd greatest Bull. You have MJ who’s arguably the goat of the entire sport, but after that it’s kind of slim pickings. It’d for sure be Scottie if we’re going by entire body of work, but if it’s simply how high they peaked while in a Bulls uniform, it’s a close 3way race between Scottie, A-train and Rose.

[j3lademaster]

Yes, Rose is the 2nd greatest peak. He probably makes the finals if it wasn’t for the Miami collusion, and if he didn’t get injured they’d be perennial contenders.

Artis Gilmore’s win/loss as a Bull is too mediocre vs Pip and Rose imo.

[warriorfan]

Yes, Rose is the 2nd greatest peak. He probably makes the finals if it wasn’t for the Miami collusion, and if he didn’t get injured they’d be perennial contenders.

Artis Gilmore’s win/loss as a Bull is too mediocre vs Pip and Rose imo.

It’s close and a bit difficult due to era differences but I would probably take Noah’s one year peak in 2013-2014 when he won DPOY over any of Gilmore’s Chicago seasons.

Less rim protection but more versatile defense, less scoring but can handle and pass better while having less turnovers.

Its a toss up but I might give a slight nod to Noah

[1987_Lakers]

I'd still take peak Pippen.

Rose won MVP in a year where nobody was really deserving. LeBron was coming off winning back to back MVPs and his regular season with Miami was kinda underwhelming, Dwight had his best season but the Magic regressed as a team.

Peak rose was a little too one-dimensional for my liking.

[SouBeachTalents]

I'd honestly rather have Pippen on my team than Rose. Even in his one MVP year his efficiency in the playoffs was abysmal.

[ArbitraryWater]

1994 or 1995 Pippen for sure

[Carbine]

Definitely Pippen.

Rose somehow saw his efficiency drop below .500 TS in his MVP year. Pippen was at least hovering around 55 to go along with his ability to effect other parts of the game in the same manner or much better in some instances (rebounding, team and individual defense)

[warriorfan]

If we are talking about winning hardware, I don’t think it’s Pippen

Pippen being super toxic gets a huge pass for some reason. Pippen was always underperforming in big moments and causing problems. Look at where he is today. He’s not a leader for one and for two he can be a difficult guy to even get to follow.

Him refusing to listen to the GOAT coach with seconds remaining in a huge playoff game….because the play wasn’t for HIM

This is insane. Imagine if Allen Iverson or Kobe pulled something like this. It would be the biggest thing and never die. You wouldn’t be able to mention their names without that being brought up within a sentence or two.

Scottie is lucky enough where Jordan took so much spotlight it washed away all of his failures.


Scottie is good if you want a guy who can put up stats in the regular season and then flake out in crunch time. He suffers from not being able to create his shot in the half court during tight games. He’s like a russel westbrook where he can fill up the stats but will choke it away when it counts.

Scottie’s teams also would suffer from major spacing issues. Having a small forward that can’t shoot 3’s isn’t a good thing.

It would reduce your other options for the rest of the line up, you would have to hunt for stretch bigs which are almost always flawed and come with other problems


You could build a better team around 2014 Noah. Noah gives you the defense and not the toxic drama. Noah makes it so you can find traditional players to plug in around him rather than searching for speciality bigs to fit with Scottie’s flawed game.

Are you going to have scottie ball dominate? When he’s off ball he’s killing your spacing. He isn’t great in half court sets.

Pippen would be a souped up role player with big time flaws in his game and lots of toxic baggage to boot



Noah would be better

[1987_Lakers]

If we are talking about winning hardware, I don’t think it’s Pippen

Pippen being super toxic gets a huge pass for some reason. Pippen was always underperforming in big moments and causing problems. Look at where he is today. He’s not a leader for one and for two he can be a difficult guy to even get to follow.

Pippen wasn't toxic, he had one bad moment in the playoffs where he refused to go in the game because the play wasn't drawn up for him and he got shit for it, but other than that he was well liked by his teammates. Pippen was outplaying Clyde Drexler in the Finals and for the most part was always outplaying the other team's #2 option, his bad numbers in the playoffs came during the 2nd 3 peat, but he was playing injured in a lot of those games.

This post reeks of trying to re-write history.

[Carbine]

Literally everything from his teammates during the Bulls years say he was one of if not their favorite teammate on the team and that he was one of three leaders on the team along with MJ and Phil

[warriorfan]

Literally everything from his teammates during the Bulls years say he was one of if not their favorite teammate on the team and that he was one of three leaders on the team along with MJ and Phil

Bulls had a lot of classy guys on some of those teams.


They were blowing smoke up Pippen’s old broke ass.

Just being nice. They know how he gets when he gets worked up.

[RRR3]

Amazing how crackfan gets brutally bullied every time he tries to talk ball :roll:

[warriorfan]

Amazing how crackfan gets brutally bullied every time he tries to talk ball :roll:

What type of scrutiny would LeBron James face if he refused to check into the final play of an important playoff game because he wasn’t getting the game winning shot?

[RRR3]

What type of scrutiny would LeBron James face if he refused to check into the final play of an important playoff game because he wasn’t getting the game winning shot?
It'd just be another thing you whine about, and Pippen gets plenty of scrutiny for it to this day despite it being pre social media.

[warriorfan]

It'd just be another thing you whine about, and Pippen gets plenty of scrutiny for it to this day despite it being pre social media.

Lebron james would get crucified for it.

He wouldn’t be afforded the luxury of the Pippen Pass™

[PeroAntic]

Good? Yes

Very Good? Yes.

Great? no.

MVP worthy? no.

I like to keep it consistant. No SG should be awarded season MVP shooting at 44%FG. that too at 25 ppg.

Had he shot around 48%FG, that PPG would've looked 27+.

2001 AI may have scored 31 PPG but shot a poor 42%FG.

2001 Shaq was robbed of Back-2-Back Season MVPs and 2nd MVP Sweep (MVP and FMVP in same season).

2001 Shaq was punished by NBA for 29 ppg at 57%FG.
2011 Rose was something the league has never seen, an absolute phenomenon. But sure, just look at the efficiency box score, that should tell you everything (if you haven't actually watched 2011 Rose obviously)

[SATAN]

Easily Pippen.

[ImKobe]

Obviously. He was an MVP on a 62-win team with Noah missing 34 games & Boozer missing 23 & got them to the ECF. He averaged 30/4/10 against the Hawks to win that series with a 44-point game in there as well.

Pip at his best was not an MVP and got knocked out in the 2nd round. He could never quite carry an offense the way Rose did in 2011.

[iamgine]

ok, but the op’s question was whether he’s the 2nd greatest Bull. You have MJ who’s arguably the goat of the entire sport, but after that it’s kind of slim pickings. It’d for sure be Scottie if we’re going by entire body of work, but if it’s simply how high they peaked while in a Bulls uniform, it’s a close 3way race between Scottie, A-train and Rose.

I don't think it's close for A-train. I much prefer Jimmy Butler over Gilmore for that 4th spot.

[WhiteKyrie]

Obviously. He was an MVP on a 62-win team with Noah missing 34 games & Boozer missing 23 & got them to the ECF. He averaged 30/4/10 against the Hawks to win that series with a 44-point game in there as well.

Pip at his best was not an MVP and got knocked out in the 2nd round. He could never quite carry an offense the way Rose did in 2011.

Best post I’ve seen yet in this thread. And most accurate. If we’re going by peaks, yes, Derek Rose is the second best Chicago Bulls ever. If we’re going by careers, it’s going to be hard to even put him in the top three