Proof of the fraud

[3ba11]

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^^^^ From many angles, this could easily look like the ball went straight to Jordan (steal for Jordan) and it's unclear whether Jordan's right hand helps deflect the ball along with Mike Brown's right hand, so this is not the egregious play that Tom Haberstroh makes it out to be with Chris Broussard in their interview - here's Haberstroh describing this play above (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh7M5z_caGk&t=28m25s)).

Jordan had similar deflections that went to a teammate and the teammate got credit for the steal - it isn't fraud and it goes both ways - this wasn't a conspiracy... And again, it's unclear whether Jordan's right hand helps deflect the ball.. If someone wants to take the most negative look at every steal or assist, they could easily remove 1 or 2 in each category from literally any player..

I could go back and look at 5 games from Lebron's 2009 season with all that home cookin' and easily find 2-3 assists per game where the assisted player might've taken a 2nd dribble or might've made too many moves before the bucket - this would lower Lebron's APG and I could declare that he isn't really a great passer anymore....

Btw, Haberstroh says that the games he watched had 28 steals recorded by stat-keepers but more than half (16) were fraudulent - since we're supposed to go with this small sample, this would mean that Jordan averaged 1.4 steals on the season instead of 3.2.

[3ba11]

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^^^ Alvin Robertson and MJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0M2WPEkE_w&t=09m18s


All players experience higher stocks at home, but MJ was the only DPOY on the list with high blocks AND steals, so his bounce was higher than the other 1-dimensional DPOY's on the list... See the chart above that shows Alvin Robertson with equal bounce in steals at home but Alvin wasn't a shot-blocker, so his overall bounce in stocks wasn't quite as high as Jordan's..

Similarly, the shot-blocking bigs didn't steal the ball much, so they didn't see bounce in steals like Alvin or MJ... Again, only MJ saw bounce in both because he's the only guy that was doing both (elite steals and blocks), so his overall stocks bounce is a little higher than the normal bounce that the other DPOY's got..

So that's the trick and the fraud that Tom Haberstroh and Klutch Sports perpetrated - Jordan's overall stocks bounce was slightly higher because he was the only DPOY that had high volume of both blocks and steals... The 5-game sample was used to say that Jordan's slightly-higher home bounce was due to bad record-keeping instead - but we know that it's actually because he was such a goat all-round defender (blocks and steals), while the other DPOY's on the list were 1-dimensional and only saw bounces in the one category (blocks OR steals).

And again - regarding the big bounce in home steals for guards like Alvin Robertson or MJ - they have 2-way burdens and therefore higher energy burdens - so apparently, when they lack the crowd boost on the road, they manage their higher energy burden by gambling less and getting less steals.

[90sgoat]

I don't understand this at all, I've always thought that the player who ended up with the ball got the steal. Not fair? Maybe, but those were the rules I understood growing up. Getting a hand on a pass is a deflection, not a steal.

[1987_Lakers]

I don't understand this at all, I've always thought that the player who ended up with the ball got the steal. Not fair? Maybe, but those were the rules I understood growing up. Getting a hand on a pass is a deflection, not a steal.
Person who deflects the ball that leads to a turnover has always been credited with the steal.

[Hey Yo]

I don't understand this at all, I've always thought that the player who ended up with the ball got the steal. Not fair? Maybe, but those were the rules I understood growing up. Getting a hand on a pass is a deflection, not a steal.

After the ball is deflected and your teammate gains control... the teammate just defined "gathers the loose ball" which would be the same as if the opponent grabbed the loose ball if you dribbled it off your foot.

[warriorfan]

This new narrative questioning Jordan’s DPOY has officially been debunked.

[3ba11]

This new narrative questioning Jordan’s DPOY has officially been debunked.


Thread Cliffs


High steals players like Alvin Robertson and MJ have 2x steals at home

High blocks players like Eaton and MJ have 2x blocks at home

Only MJ had high steals and blocks, so his overall "stocks" inflation at home was a little higher than the norm

The 5-game sample is meant to refute this and say that MJ's abnormal home inflation is due to bad record-keeping... But obviously, a 5-game sample isn't viable and no sample is possible because there's no reason to believe the new subjective ruling is any better than the original.. Subjective stats like steals, blocks, assists and rebounds are set in stone - there's no effective review of them..

[Elosha]

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^^^^ From many angles, this could easily look like the ball went straight to Jordan (steal for Jordan) and it's unclear whether Jordan's right hand helps deflect the ball along with Mike Brown's right hand, so this is not the egregious play that Tom Haberstroh makes it out to be with Chris Broussard in their interview - here's Haberstroh describing this play above (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh7M5z_caGk&t=28m25s)).

Jordan had similar deflections that went to a teammate and the teammate got credit for the steal - it isn't fraud and it goes both ways - this wasn't a conspiracy... And again, it's unclear whether Jordan's right hand helps deflect the ball.. If someone wants to take the most negative look at every steal or assist, they could easily remove 1 or 2 in each category from literally any player..

I could go back and look at 5 games from Lebron's 2009 season with all that home cookin' and easily find 2-3 assists per game where the assisted player might've taken a 2nd dribble or might've made too many moves before the bucket - this would lower Lebron's APG and I could declare that he isn't really a great passer anymore....

Btw, Haberstroh says that the games he watched had 28 steals recorded by stat-keepers but more than half (16) were fraudulent - since we're supposed to go with this small sample, this would mean that Jordan averaged 1.4 steals on the season instead of 3.2.

This is very true, and LBJ fans should be careful what they wish for. I saw a recent video critiquing Haberstroh and showing in a home game where LeBron garnered 18 assists (his career high at the time), at least 2-3 were extremely questionable. In one of them, he simply passed to a teammate at around half court on a semi-fast break, the player dribbles two or three times, crossed over a defender in the paint and made a layup, about two to three seconds later. They gave LeBron the assist, when it clearly was no such thing. In another example from the same game. LeBron merely passes to Kevin Love in the paint outside the 3-point line. A defender rushes at Love, he gives a nice ball fake, dribbles around him into the paint for a mid-range jumper and shoots 2-3 seconds after LeBron's pass. Very dubious assist to LeBron.

When inevitably an expose comes out accusing LeBron of home cooking stat padding, I wonder what excuse those now trying to downgrade Jordan will give?