Why aren't the Suns better?

[Street Hunger]

Why weren't the Sunsa better team last season?

Is it that the Stars don't compliment each other's games

Or that the role players just aren't good role players

Or all of the above

[Carbine]

They lack a defensive toughness/buy in which ultimately comes from the top - Booker, Durant and Beal were not leading the troops to play championship level defense.

Beal is also a classic example of name bigger than game.

[warriorfan]

Soft mentally, no leadership, no grit

old

beal is trash and it’s the worst contract in the league

they are in the second apron

they have no role players and can’t do anything Bout it because they are in the second apron

beal’s contract is considered the most toxic contract in the history of the nba, even if they find a sucker for beal, he had a No Trade Clasuse

[1987_Lakers]

They were pretty one dimensional. They produced a team with a bunch of scorers that lacked versatility. Roster lacked defense & playmaking.

[highwhey]

They lack a defensive toughness/buy in which ultimately comes from the top - Booker, Durant and Beal were not leading the troops to play championship level defense.

Beal is also a classic example of name bigger than game.

now this is a great response to the topic, very on point, no one word responses with no context giving off the impression that you are crying out for help.

anyhow, the mastermind james jones just showed the league how much of a mouthbreather he is. the 23-24 suns was quite literally a 2k lineup, 3 iso scorers with 2 of them being terrible defenders and none of them being elite playmakers for others. they lacked a point guard and it showed when none of the 3 could score. they actually did have role players, but they were not utilized properly or at all. again, a point guard would have gone a long way with this team, their offense stagnated way too much. and as carbine already mentioned, they had no defensive identity.

[SATAN]

Imagine having 2 more guys on better contracts playing like Allen did for them as opposed to having Brad Beal. (It's never that easy but getting Beal seemed idiotic from the start.)

[Wally450]

KD is done as a ceiling lifter.

[Wardell Curry]

Soft mentally, no leadership, no grit

old

beal is trash and it’s the worst contract in the league

they are in the second apron

they have no role players and can’t do anything Bout it because they are in the second apron

beal’s contract is considered the most toxic contract in the history of the nba, even if they find a sucker for beal, he had a No Trade Clasuse

Bradley Beal. :roll:

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[wagexslave]

Where tf do I even start?

Well last season when they moved the ball a lot and pushed the pace, they were one of the best teams in the league. Their net ratings and efficiency improved drastically. The problem is they kept going back to slow paced ass iso sets with no direction, where they were middle of the pack.

It's the same reason their 4th quarter stats were terrible. Any time they had a decent sized lead after the 3rd quarter thanks to good ball movement and good pacing, they would take their foot off the gas in the 4th and slow the offense down to a crawl and just run iso BS every play and they'd often go from up by 16 to winning by 3 or some shit.

The Beal hate is a bit overblown in my eyes. Yeah his contract is awful, but he's still a good player even if he's not what he used to be. But importantly he seemed to care the most out of anyone on the team. He was arguably the heart of the team once he got healthy and started to settle into his role(which kept changing. He really wanted to have a good playoff run.

I actually felt like they should have put the ball in Beal's hands way MORE than they did. They should have designated him as the main pg/ballhandler and let Book play off-ball more which he's great at(so is KD). Beal could have focused more on creating for them. But even when it came to scoring, Beal is much better at driving to the basket and shaking defenders off dribble than Book.

Then there's the management issues...

It was obvious by the trade deadline that the roster in general could have used some adjustments, especially a real backup PG(should have never got rid of Cam Payne) and backup C. A lot of players didn't compliment each other the best. But still Frank Vogel could have done a better job when it came to managing the players and keeping a better offensive direction of the team... running more actual designed plays. Not just letting them go out there and run Iso plays constantly like it's an And1 Steet Ball tournament or something.

Also Vogel's refusal to play Bol Bol in the playoffs against the tallest team in the league was infuriating. All season Bol played great overall for us, he was shooting so damn good, defensively created issues for teams trying to shoot over his long ass arms, and was so much better than shitty Drew Eubanks(who had the worst net rating on the team by far, teams consistently went on runs once he stepped onto the court), yet Vogel insisted on constantly playing Eubanks instead of Bol. It made no sense.

1 last thing, Greyson Allen getting injured in that series hurt them even way more than most people realize, as he was the best 3pt shooter in the league, one of the best defensive players on the team, and played the pass-first point guard role probably more than anyone on the roster. They definitely needed him in that series.

[theman93]

If I was Phoenix I would fire Vogel and give up on trying to have a defensive identity. That’s just not Phoenix’s roster. I would hire D’Antoni or a D’Antoni disciple and try to obliterate everyone offensively and get these guys in a better system. KD is a generational scorer, Booker is one of the best scorer’s in the league, Grayson is elite from 3, and Beal obviously has great ability as well regardless of his horrible contract. Issue for them is depth, but maybe if they were in a better system they could offset that a bit.

[1987_Lakers]

If I was Phoenix I would fire Vogel and give up on trying to have a defensive identity. That’s just not Phoenix’s roster. I would hire D’Antoni or a D’Antoni disciple and try to obliterate everyone offensively and get these guys in a better system. KD is a generational scorer, Booker is one of the best scorer’s in the league, Grayson is elite from 3, and Beal obviously has great ability as well regardless of his horrible contract. Issue for them is depth, but maybe if they were in a better system they could offset that a bit.

Vogel was fired almost 2 months ago. You are so out of touch with today's league it's unbelievable. :oldlol:

[theman93]

Vogel was fired almost 2 months ago. You are so out of touch with today's league it's unbelievable. :oldlol:

Quit paying attention to them when they got swept :confusedshrug:

[wagexslave]

Quit paying attention to them when they got swept :confusedshrug:

Well to get you up to date, they signed Mike Budenholzer as the new head coach.

That being said, I agree with you that they needed an offensive minded coach to get the most out of that lineup. They had potential to be one of the best offenses of all time, but a lack of direction and settling on slow predictable iso plays really hurt them.

[NBAGOAT]

going be hard to push ball movement and good shot selection when you have stars like book and kd but i think bud can do it. buds problems are he doesnt like adjusting in playoffs but getting a a high seed would be great for suns and he plays his bench too much. Phx has no bench

[Charlie Sheen]

Vogel was a bad hire. KD is not lebron. He will not assert himself to supplement Vogel's limitations as an offensive coach like lebron did for those Lakers teams. KD pouted and stopped talking to the guy :lol

[Jasper]

Why weren't the Sunsa better team last season?

Is it that the Stars don't compliment each other's games

Or that the role players just aren't good role players

Or all of the above

Coach Bud , and their draft picks will whip this team into a 53 win team.

[Street Hunger]

Who would be the perfect role player to add to the Suns?