Here's the reality - if u thought Mavs would beat Celts - u don't know basketball

[3ba11]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the game

High-scoring ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles and isn't 5-man basketball, so it doesn't produce the great chemistry required for a great-performing cast, aka great team.. Luka and Lebron's career is LITTERED with bad fits thereby constantly needing more help.

Maybe next time you'll keep this in mind before making a dumb prediction... Sure I was late to the party on Curry BUT I CORRECTED, whereas you guys have been beaten over the head about ball-dominance by me for years, but still make dumb predictions..

[StrongLurk]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the game

High-scoring ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles and isn't 5-man basketball, so it doesn't produce the great chemistry required for a great-performing cast, aka great team.. Luka and Lebron's career is LITTERED with bad fits thereby constantly needing more help.

Maybe next time you'll keep this in mind before making a dumb prediction... Sure I was late to the party on Curry BUT I CORRECTED, whereas you guys have been beaten over the head about ball-dominance by me for years, but still make dumb predictions..

You said the Suns or the Nuggets would come out of the West.

[3ba11]

You said the Suns or the Nuggets would come out of the West.


I never said a high-scoring ball-dominator would beat organic chemistry

I'm not that dumb

I don't understand how anyone is

[SouBeachTalents]

You said the Suns or the Nuggets would come out of the West.
Lmao, I forgot about that. Dude said a team that got swept out of the first round was going to win the title :lol

[StrongLurk]

I never said a high-scoring ball-dominator would beat organic chemistry

I'm not that dumb

I don't understand how anyone is

You said the Suns or the Nuggets would come out of the West.

[3ba11]

You said the Suns or the Nuggets would come out of the West.


At the beginning of the season

Not right before the series

[ImKobe]

We had valid reasons to believe that the Mavs were capable of winning the series because they had the best player and a great defense. Kyrie and shooters did not show up for most of the series & Luka turned into KAT in the 4th quarter of Game 3 though.

[3ba11]

We had valid reasons to believe that the Mavs were capable of winning the series because they had the best player and a great defense. Kyrie and shooters did not show up for most of the series & Luka turned into KAT in the 4th quarter of Game 3 though.


Lebron was the "best player" with a top 5 defense in 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2021

Best player + good defense means nothing if the "best player" has a skillset that yields weak,-performing casts and chemistry.

And btw, it's always about the attrition battle - Kyrie performs great against lesser brands of ball that don't wear him out like SGA or the TWolves, but then can't play well when being worn out by superior brands of ball (ball-movement).

[1987_Lakers]

You said the Suns or the Nuggets would come out of the West.

He said the Suns would win the title. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Nah...

Most of why Boston won was like you said it was the attrition battle. Dallas had to expend massive energy to make the Finals. So they weren't nearly as fresh.

Boston OTOH faced 3 lotto teams in the first 3 rounds ~ Heat without Butler, Cavs without Mitchell, and Pacers without Haliburton... teams that would literally be lottery without their best players.

So they got to rest and bust their load at the end. Where as Dallas was already spent and empty. You could see the difference in energy levels right off the bat eye test wise.

If Dallas had faced Boston say... in the 1st round I can almost guarantee they would have beat them.

[1987_Lakers]

Nah...

Most of why Boston won was like you said it was the attrition battle. Dallas had to expend massive energy to make the Finals. So they weren't nearly as fresh.

Boston OTOH faced 3 lotto teams in the first 3 rounds ~ Heat without Butler, Cavs without Mitchell, and Pacers without Haliburton... teams that would literally be lottery without their best players.

So they got to rest and bust their load at the end. Where as Dallas was already spent and empty. You could see the difference in energy levels right off the bat eye test wise.

If Dallas had faced Boston say... in the 1st round I can almost guarantee they would have beat them.

What a weak ass excuse. Mavs had a week of rest before the Finals started and Boston whooped them without a healthy Porzingis. I told you Boston would win before the series started, but it wasn't the reasons what OP stated. Boston's talent advantage from players 3-7 was too much to overcome.

[tpols]

What a weak ass excuse. Mavs had a week of rest before the Finals started and Boston whooped them without a healthy Porzingis. I told you Boston would win before the series started, but it wasn't the reasons what OP stated. Boston's talent advantage from players 3-7 was too much to overcome.

Porzingis had his best game of the playoffs in Game 1 of The Finals. He scored 18 points in his 1st 12 minutes of action with 3 blocks that sparked a 20+ point lead and ultimately a total blowout.

So right off the bat you don't know what you're talking about.

If the Celtics had to face OKC and the Wolves instead of their free path? Porzingis would've had to came back a bit earlier or they mightve lost. And we see he can only play like 2 playoff games in a row for his entire career so that means he mightve missed the series vs Dallas or been totally crippled for it instead of being fresh and ready to dominate at the start.

The Celtics easy path gave him that rest and availability. Without it, everything would've been 100x more difficult.

[1987_Lakers]

Porzingis had his best game of the playoffs in Game 1 of The Finals. He scored 18 points in his 1st 12 minutes of action with 3 blocks that sparked a 20+ point lead and ultimately a total blowout.

So right off the bat you don't know what you're talking about.

Didn't you say Livley and Gafford would outplay Porzingis and I told you that wouldn't be the case.

Game 1 Porzingis was only at around 80% or so and he destroyed them. So I was right.

[Wally450]

Just stop.

[tpols]

Didn't you say Livley and Gafford would outplay Porzingis and I told you that wouldn't be the case.

Game 1 Porzingis was only at around 80% or so and he destroyed them. So I was right.

I have a pretty good memory but decided to spot check your prediction in the Game Thread and you said verbatim that "Porzingis was 100% healthy and ready to go". So now you're lying acting like he was crippled and at 80%.

I did think that too which is why I said what I said. You OTOH are backtracking and lying now.

I'll post the screenshots if I have to but anybody can look it up. Page 4 in the Finals Game Thread.

[ShawkFactory]

At the beginning of the season

Not right before the series

You didn't say and/or think that the Nuggets would beat Minnesota, led by ball-dominator (I guess) Anthony Edwards?

[HylianNightmare]

No shit. One is a team the other is 1 ball dominator a great 2nd option and scrubs

[jayfan]

We had valid reasons to believe that the Mavs were capable of winning the series because they had the best player and a great defense. Kyrie and shooters did not show up for most of the series & Luka turned into KAT in the 4th quarter of Game 3 though.

They were able to defend Minnesota effectively, but they aren't a great defense.

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[jayfan]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the game

High-scoring ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles and isn't 5-man basketball, so it doesn't produce the great chemistry required for a great-performing cast, aka great team..


This is true. But as others have pointed out, why predict the Suns to win it all if you truly believe it? They play the same way Dallas does.


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[ImKobe]

They were able to defend Minnesota effectively, but they aren't a great defense.

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They were able to defend everyone effectively and had the best defense post-ASB. Celtics had a 120+ ORTG in all of their series against EC opponents and only 112 in the Finals.

[Axe]

At the beginning of the season

Not right before the series
This dumbass has just moved the freaking goal posts. Yet again lmfao.

[3ba11]

Boston's talent advantage from players 3-7 was too much to overcome.


^^^ Isn't that exactly what MJ did to win 6 chips??.... :wtf::biggums::

Should we start going series by series and looking at 3-7 for the Bulls and their opponents? It must be the biggest mismatch at those spots in history.. So does this make you put MJ as GOAT, seeing that he did exactly what you said is "too much to overcome" lol

[StrongLurk]

What a weak ass excuse. Mavs had a week of rest before the Finals started and Boston whooped them without a healthy Porzingis. I told you Boston would win before the series started, but it wasn't the reasons what OP stated. Boston's talent advantage from players 3-7 was too much to overcome.

Except Kyrie sucked, so besides Luka, Boston had the next SIX best players in the series lol.

[3ba11]

So far, tpols excuse of not enough rest was blown up by 1987Lakers, and 1987Lakers' excuse about weaker talent from the 3 to 7 spots was blown up in the previous post above.

So why can't you guys acknowledge that chemistry exists and Boston had better chemistry because that's what 1st options with high assisted rates like Tatum, Kobe, Curry, Jokic, MJ, and Bird do - they don't dominate the ball, so they allow ball movement and great fits, thus allowing great chemistry to develop for a great-performing cast, aka great team/dynasty.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They were able to defend everyone effectively and had the best defense post-ASB. Celtics had a 120+ ORTG in all of their series against EC opponents and only 112 in the Finals.

The Celtics had 1 bad game (4) after they went up 3-0 and celebrated a game early. Otherwise they beat the shit out of Dallas like they were just another eastern conference team missing their best player. They were no tougher for the Celtics than Miami. You picked Dallas to win because you hate Tatum and can't stand the reality that he leads the best team in the NBA. Deal with it.

[3ba11]

Except Kyrie sucked, so besides Luka, Boston had the next SIX best players in the series lol.


Finals

24' Kyrie....... 20 on 41%... 5 apg.. 1.7 tov.. 1.5 clutch ppg
97' Pippen..... 20 on 42%... 3 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.0 clutch ppg


^^^ the 97' Finals were Pippen's best Finals during the 2nd three-peat, by far.

The best players win Finals with bed-wetting sidekicks like 03' Duncan, 94' Hakeem, 00' Shaq, and MJ.. And Kyrie's offense actually wouldn't qualify as "sucking" compared to the worst-performing, winning sidekicks... Of course, Kyrie played better than Pippen ever did to make these Finals, so there's that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Finals

24' Kyrie....... 20 on 41%... 5 apg.. 1.7 tov.. 1.5 clutch ppg
97' Pippen..... 20 on 42%... 3 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.0 clutch ppg


^^^ the 97' Finals were Pippen's best Finals during the 2nd three-peat, by far.

The best players win Finals with bed-wetting sidekicks like 03' Duncan, 94' Hakeem, 00' Shaq, and MJ.. And Kyrie's offense actually wouldn't qualify as "sucking" compared to the worst-performing, winning sidekicks... Of course, Kyrie played better than Pippen ever did to make these Finals, so there's that.
The '03 Nets, '94 Knicks & '00 Pacers don't quite stack up to the Celtics ya dumb bish.

[3ba11]

The '03 Nets, '94 Knicks & '00 Pacers don't quite stack up to the Celtics ya dumb bish.


You thought Boston stunk - everyone did - no one respected the Celtics all year until they beat everyone's squad - then they're the best team ever..

[John8204]

You thought Boston stunk - everyone did - no one respected the Celtics all year until they beat everyone's squad - then they're the best team ever..

https://gifdb.com/images/high/blinking-guy-lose-weight-by-cookies-58uft1k4cf8ddac4.gif

The amount of BS you piled into that one sentence is impressive

[3ba11]

https://gifdb.com/images/high/blinking-guy-lose-weight-by-cookies-58uft1k4cf8ddac4.gif

The amount of BS you piled into that one sentence is impressive



The historical record confirms that you're bullshitting, not me:



https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-28-2024/BYcMmY.gif


but now boston is the greatest team ever..

carry on

nest I'll start re-posting what some of you guys actually said about Boston in that thread

[John8204]

So your evidence that everyone thought the Celtics sucked all year is a poll for the finals.

Staggering level of intelligence there...

[1987_Lakers]

So your evidence that everyone thought the Celtics sucked all year is a poll for the finals.

Staggering level of intelligence there...

:roll:

Not to mention Celtics were Vegas favorites.

[NBAGOAT]

The historical record confirms that you're bullshitting, not me:



https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-28-2024/BYcMmY.gif


but now boston is the greatest team ever..

carry on

nest I'll start re-posting what some of you guys actually said about Boston in that thread

go ahead pretty sure people responding to you were high on celtics. poll results from the dumbest basketball forum in the world prove nothing

[FilmyCogTurner]

It was a combination of chemistry, talent and attrition but what it boils down to the most was talent. The Celtics were absurdly deep and getting KP and Dru for peanuts put them way over the top.

[MMM]

:roll:

Not to mention Celtics were Vegas favorites.

I was seeing most the $$$ was actually on the Mavs.
9 to 8 Espn pundits picked the Mavs
Most of FS1 as well

Im not trying to set up an underdog story for the Celtics but there was definitely some prisoner of the moment stuff going on. The Mavs got through the West in impressive fashion and in particular beat Minny when they were the hot team thst just beat the Champs.

The talk about the Celtics was they didnt beat anyone or werent challenged. But i was surprised that Boston's dominice all season was kind of ignored. They were a statistically dominant team matching some of the all time elite teams.

[1987_Lakers]

Im not trying to set up an underdog story for the Celtics but there was definitely some prisoner of the moment stuff going on. The Mavs got through the West in impressive fashion and in particular beat Minny when they were the hot team thst just beat the Champs.

For sure, people who picked Dallas to me just wanted to see them win. Nobody really watched Boston before they got to the Finals due to their cake walk while everyone was basically tuned into the Mavs-Wolves series. The fact that Dallas was getting more attention throughout the playoffs and the fact that they had Luka is probably the reason why most people here picked them to win. Vegas had Boston as favorites and I thought it was crazy seeing so many fans and ESPN people picking Dallas to win.

[3ba11]

For sure, people who picked Dallas to me just wanted to see them win. Nobody really watched Boston before they got to the Finals due to their cake walk while everyone was basically tuned into the Mavs-Wolves series. The fact that Dallas was getting more attention throughout the playoffs and the fact that they had Luka is probably the reason why most people here picked them to win. Vegas had Boston as favorites and I thought it was crazy seeing so many fans and ESPN people picking Dallas to win.


Media and fans saw another big ball-dominator like Lebron and wanted Luka to be the next lebron-type player and take over the league.

But by predicting a Luka victory, they never seemed to understand why Lebron's teams were never great and always needed more help, and had a lottery record on the championship level - they don't seem to understand that ANYTIME you have a long-standing organic juggernaut with great ball-movement - they will nearly always beat a team built around a heliocentric skillset (ball-dominator) - and beat them BADLY.. with a massive team assist advantage... Of course if they understood this, there would be no goat debate.

[ShawkFactory]

I was seeing most the $$$ was actually on the Mavs.
9 to 8 Espn pundits picked the Mavs
Most of FS1 as well

Im not trying to set up an underdog story for the Celtics but there was definitely some prisoner of the moment stuff going on. The Mavs got through the West in impressive fashion and in particular beat Minny when they were the hot team thst just beat the Champs.

The talk about the Celtics was they didnt beat anyone or werent challenged. But i was surprised that Boston's dominice all season was kind of ignored. They were a statistically dominant team matching some of the all time elite teams.

This is exactly right. I had Celtics in 6 and was hesitant about it because o unreasonably remembered 2022 and thought the they would just be tight asses again in a finals series. Not thinking about how 2 of the 5 starters are different seasoned and excellent veterans.

Sucks that they weren’t tested but they’re an amazingly good team. Bad boy levels