Hartenstein signs with OKC... 3ys 87mil

[Hey Yo]

Seems like an over pay

https://mmsport.minutemediabeta.com/allknicks/free-agency/new-york-knicks-center-signs-with-oklahoma-city-thunder-after-two-seasons

[Neal Romer]

It is a pretty big contract given his accomplishments to date.

Itll be interesting because the Knicks played so well in the playoffs, but it sort of feels like they were really about the whole being more than the sum of the parts. Hart, DiVincenzo, Hartenstein were basically generic unheralded guys to that point. Brunson wasnt considered a top level star before last year. But together they all just clicked. So we'll see how that translates now for Hartenstein as he changes teams.

If he makes the kind of impact in OKC that he did in last year's playoffs, the deal should be worth it. At 26 he also fits their timeline well too. It's not like he's got a two year window left of being effective.

[1987_Lakers]

OKC looking like favorites out of the West next year this addition along with adding Caruso.

It's an overpay, but he was the Knicks best defender last season.

[Manny98]

The most underrated big in the league he's just what they needed OKC are definitely early favorites going into next season

[Neal Romer]

OKC looking like favorites out of the West next year this addition along with adding Caruso.

*Maybe*

But if the Lakers decide to give Lebron ANY ****ing help whatsoever at some point, he'll be the favorite easily.

[Kblaze8855]

Seems like an over pay

https://mmsport.minutemediabeta.com/allknicks/free-agency/new-york-knicks-center-signs-with-oklahoma-city-thunder-after-two-seasons

It’s exactly the kinda contract that makes it so easy to make big deals. 29 million for a role player is common now. Him plus Dort gets you a salary match(or close enough a nobody gets you there) with the entire league. It’s 47 million dollars. Jokic “only” makes 51. They have salary to be within shouting distance of trading for anyone in the league when you consider they also have 11-12 first rounders and first round swaps the next few years.

At some point they’ll have to trade them if only due to not having roster space even if they all hit.

They will be players the next time a Zion or whoever wants out or seems unlikely to resign.

They are setup to take anyone they want who comes to market. Who says no to two soon to expire deals and 4-5 first rounders for a disgruntled star?

I think they’re playing the long game and short at the same time. Contend now and maintain pieces to make a big move.

[Neal Romer]

It’s exactly the kinda contract that makes it so easy to make big deals. 29 million for a role player is common now. Him plus Dort gets you a salary match(or close enough a nobody gets you there) with the entire league. It’s 47 million dollars. Jokic “only” makes 51. They have salary to be within shouting distance of trading for anyone in the league when you consider they also have 11-12 first rounders and first round swaps the next few years.

At some point they’ll have to trade them if only due to not having roster space even if they all hit.

They will be players the next time a Zion or whoever wants out or seems unlikely to resign.

They are setup to take anyone they want who comes to market. Who says no to two soon to expire deals and 4-5 first rounders for a disgruntled star?

I think they’re playing the long game and short at the same time. Contend now and maintain pieces to make a big move.

Fair points.

If LAL aint shit by the trade deadline I could def see OKC swangin for the Kang (and the Prince) to guarantee back to back titles.

[jayfan]

OKC to the Finals.

They were a Hartenstein-type player away from the Finals this year.


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[GOBB]

I remember Samuel Dalembert getting overpaid. The perks of not only being tall but “ballin” at the right moment (contract year). $29mil per for under 30mpg of work? Cool. OKC filled a need for sure though. And I mean it’s OKC. You tend to have to overpay for needs.

[GOBB]

OKC to the Finals.

They were a Hartenstein-type player away from the Finals this year.


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[HylianNightmare]

Thank God the magic didn't overpay. I was getting bismack biyombo after one decent post season vibes

[Thorpesaurous]

The super switchy defense is really an asset. And while he's not the real bruiser I thought they would've rostered, he can help free up Chet on both ends too. They got beat up on the glass in the post season. He'll help. And he'll fit their defensive concept.

I think this hurts the Knicks more than people realize. They had no shot to re-sign him. They could offer about half that much. But when he paired with Ananobi, the Knick defense was scary, and after the trade for Bridges, I really felt like the most interesting lineup would be Brunson, Hart, Bridges, and OG, combined with a switchy high energy big, like Hartenstein. In a vaccuum obviously Randle is a better player. But with that group, that would be a scary closing lineup. A bit small. Maybe susceptible on the glass. But awfully hard to score against, and too much ball handling to turn over. Maybe they can find another similar piece, but that type of defensive big just isn't a market ineffeciency the way it was a few years back.

[Carbine]

Why couldn't they resign Hartenstien? I'm not brushed up on the CBA but is there now a hard cap?

I thought you could always go over the cap as much as you want to resign your own players. The Knicks just would've had to pony up the cash

[Proctor]

Hartenstein is definitely a huge loss.

Why does it seem like every Thibs team (in recent years) at just about the time they become a legitimate threat always lack center depth? They let Precious go, are shopping Robinson, and just lost Hartenstein.

Won't be long before Thibs calls up Taj Gibson :facepalm

[tontoz]

Why couldn't they resign Hartenstien? I'm not brushed up on the CBA but is there now a hard cap?

I thought you could always go over the cap as much as you want to resign your own players. The Knicks just would've had to pony up the cash


They didn't have his Bird Rights because they signed him to a 2 year deal, at least that is what i read somewhere.

[GOBB]

Why couldn't they resign Hartenstien? I'm not brushed up on the CBA but is there now a hard cap?

I thought you could always go over the cap as much as you want to resign your own players. The Knicks just would've had to pony up the cash

There’s rules when resigning your own players. Nyk messed up when they gave him the 2 year deal prior. So he was eligible for Early bird rights (75% raise) whereas had he signed for 3 years? Knicks would have owned the Bird rights which allows them to go over the salary cap. Knicks could only offer $72mil and not a dime more due to the cba rules. You got to play for a team for 3 years to be eligible. Knicks only offered him 2. With state taxes and such hard to expense Hart to take Knicks deal over OKC. A lot of money being left on table.

[Axe]

Damn, he's a good complement to the skinny guys. Hopefully, he's not cumbersome for his new role.

[Neal Romer]

Hartenstein is definitely a huge loss.

Why does it seem like every Thibs team (in recent years) at just about the time they become a legitimate threat always lack center depth? They let Precious go, are shopping Robinson, and just lost Hartenstein.

Won't be long before Thibs calls up Taj Gibson :facepalm


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[Im Still Ballin]

Noice! I wasn't sure the Caruso trade made them that much better. But this is the one right here. Very noice! I wonder if they'll start Hartenstein and Chet together. You'd think so, right?

[gbaLL]

cooL

[90sgoat]

OKC keep making good moves.

They'll be tough to beat, though as a Mavs fan I feel better about having Lively than I would with Hartenstein.

[Patrick Chewing]

I have no confidence in Mitchell Robinson staying healthy, but truth be told, Hartenstein was getting cooked by Embiid and Myles Turner in the playoffs.

[ILLsmak]

Noice! I wasn't sure the Caruso trade made them that much better. But this is the one right here. Very noice! I wonder if they'll start Hartenstein and Chet together. You'd think so, right?

Why wouldn't they?

-Smak

[ImKobe]

Pretty crazy that a big man who can't shoot and who averaged 8/8 is now making damn near 30 mil a year. OKC can afford it but Hartenstein just won the damn lottery lmao. He's decent but not a game-changer IMO.

[Carbine]

It's not about averaging so and so numbers. It's about filling out the roster needs with the best available players to help them win in their window while everyone is on cheap contracts relative to market value.

Hartenstien and Caruso fill in the gaps to make them a true all around team.

They're essentially paying 30 million to be in my opinion a pretty big favorite to come out of the west. Without Hartenstien they have a major question mark on the interior still and makes them vulnerable to certain matchups.

[fsvr54]

Best pickups of the offseason so far for OKC

[NBAGOAT]

hartenstein defense really underrated. offensively he's good but whatever but knicks defense got better when he took mrob's minutes and robinson is a beast

[ImKobe]

It's not about averaging so and so numbers. It's about filling out the roster needs with the best available players to help them win in their window while everyone is on cheap contracts relative to market value.

Hartenstien and Caruso fill in the gaps to make them a true all around team.

They're essentially paying 30 million to be in my opinion a pretty big favorite to come out of the west. Without Hartenstien they have a major question mark on the interior still and makes them vulnerable to certain matchups.

Fit is great for sure and he'll make them a bit better, but it's not a move that elevates them from 2nd round to a championship IMO. If they're gonna go up a level it's because Chet and the other young players improve from last season. Offense was really the issue in that Mavs series. They should have won that with Kyrie & Luka struggling.

[Kblaze8855]

Fit is great for sure and he'll make them a bit better, but it's not a move that elevates them from 2nd round to a championship IMO. If they're gonna go up a level it's because Chet and the other young players improve from last season. Offense was really the issue in that Mavs series. They should have won that with Kyrie & Luka struggling.


they don’t and shouldn’t care why it is they take a leap. If it’s because of Chet and the young guys great. What they care about is having the best opportunity to do something should they get the chance. Add in that this team is built to land a whale and it makes even more sense. I’d be surprised if they didn’t already have a target in mind. They are going to throw an absolute haul at somebody and use the contract to match the money and overwhelm them with draft picks. They could have 4 stars and still good role players if they play it right.

They can’t keep all those picks anyway. That many first rounders just can’t be paid if you’re even 50/50 on hits and misses.

[tpols]

Fit is great for sure and he'll make them a bit better, but it's not a move that elevates them from 2nd round to a championship IMO. If they're gonna go up a level it's because Chet and the other young players improve from last season. Offense was really the issue in that Mavs series. They should have won that with Kyrie & Luka struggling.

The only reason Kyrie and Luka struggled against OKC is because they were hard trapping them 30 feet from the hoop. That's why PJ went off and buried them.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Odd thought: if this is now the standard for a good roleplayer Kyrie Irving is an absolute steal.