30-yr myth busted - MJ guarded Magic for 70% of possession in Games 2-5 (all of Gm 1)

[3ba11]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4T25pHu7Nc&t=09m19s

[gengiskhan]

There was already this media narrative and rhetoric was being forcefully created....

1991 Pippen should've been the FMVP because he bumped Magic a few times on defense. Pippen's ceiling was so low before 1991 finals that even if he was just about good, just give him the FMVP is what media ran with.

1991 MJ was just in a 'god' mode. If anyone says how easy Bball as a sport is in MJs hand, 1991 finals is the clinic of it. He played like he re-invented the sport itself.

Problem with Media, critics and fans by 1991 was. MJ was so 'goat' like, he just could not surprise us anymore. You always expected 11 out of 10 from MJ. And it happened again in 1991 Finals and now he was toying with 1991 MVP Runner-up, Magic. 1991 MJ still gave us "the move" and surprised us all. we all jumped out of the seats.

Because 1991 MJ already got MVP. They tried splitting FMVP in Pippens favor. Which is a joke in itself.

[3ba11]

There was already this media narrative and rhetoric was being forcefully created....

1991 Pippen should've been the FMVP because he bumped Magic a few times on defense. Pippen's ceiling was so low before 1991 finals that even if he was just about good, just give him the FMVP is what media ran with.

1991 MJ was just in a 'god' mode. If anyone says how easy Bball as a sport is in MJs hand, 1991 finals is the clinic of it. He played like he re-invented the sport itself.

Problem with Media, critics and fans by 1991 was. MJ was so 'goat' like, he just could not surprise us anymore. You always expected 11 out of 10 from MJ. And it happened again in 1991 Finals and now he was toying with 1991 MVP Runner-up, Magic. 1991 MJ still gave us "the move" and surprised us all. we all jumped out of the seats.

Because 1991 MJ already got MVP. They tried splitting FMVP in Pippens favor. Which is a joke in itself.


i think the inflation of pippen and crazy narratives about 91' FMVP is more of a recent thing, but the media has always overcredited pippen with guarding magic in that series ever since it happened - they never really gave MJ any credit even though he was obviously the main defender.. it's weird how that happened and i think that's when the media decided that it was so much easier to talk about pippen if you just talked about him as a defender - it was hard to praise his offense - like you said, his peak capability was so low. while there were no surprises from MJ - we expected 11 out of 10 and he gave it.. I wish Uncut would do the 92' and 93' Finals.. btw, one thing the video shows is that MJ's mid-range in 91' was better than it was during the 2nd three-peat - the 92' and 93' Finals will show this too - he was on a complete god-mode level from 91-93'

[ShawkFactory]

There was already this media narrative and rhetoric was being forcefully created....

1991 Pippen should've been the FMVP because he bumped Magic a few times on defense. Pippen's ceiling was so low before 1991 finals that even if he was just about good, just give him the FMVP is what media ran with.

1991 MJ was just in a 'god' mode. If anyone says how easy Bball as a sport is in MJs hand, 1991 finals is the clinic of it. He played like he re-invented the sport itself.

Problem with Media, critics and fans by 1991 was. MJ was so 'goat' like, he just could not surprise us anymore. You always expected 11 out of 10 from MJ. And it happened again in 1991 Finals and now he was toying with 1991 MVP Runner-up, Magic. 1991 MJ still gave us "the move" and surprised us all. we all jumped out of the seats.

Because 1991 MJ already got MVP. They tried splitting FMVP in Pippens favor. Which is a joke in itself.

The narrative comes from game 2 when Jordan got into foul trouble in the first quarter. Pippen guarded Magic for pretty much the rest of the game and shut him down.

I think people at the time were pretty wowed by it and didn’t know he was capable of that, hence the embellishment.

[ImKobe]

Another anti-MJ narrative DESTROYED. :lol

[jlip]

I thought that it was common knowledge, especially here on ISH, that Jordan was the primary defender on Magic throughout the majority of the series excluding game 2 when Pippen guarded Magic causing Magic to have his worst game of the series.

[Wardell Curry]

Glad you cleared that up. I've been worrying about this for a long time, I can finally let it go.

[SouBeachTalents]

Glad you cleared that up. I've been worrying about this for a long time, I can finally let it go.
Now OP can let it go too, he’ll probably never have to make another Jordan thread again.

[3ba11]

Now OP can let it go too, he’ll probably never have to make another Jordan thread again.


yeah it's a big one.. back when I wanted to start a youtube page, the first video of my youtube channel was always going to be Pippen not being the primary defender on Magic

but there were a lot of busted myths in that video, including the fact that Jordan was a much better mid-range shooter during the 1st three-peat than the 2nd... This is intuitive when you watch him but the narrative has always been that he developed the mid-range during the 2nd three-peat - no, he was always a goat mid-range shooter since 1986, but he combined it with great brand of ball from 91-93'

[ShawkFactory]

yeah it's a big one.. back when I wanted to start a youtube page, the first video of my youtube channel was always going to be Pippen not being the primary defender on Magic

but there were a lot of busted myths in that video, including the fact that Jordan was a much better mid-range shooter during the 1st three-peat than the 2nd... This is intuitive when you watch him but the narrative has always been that he developed the mid-range during the 2nd three-peat - no, he was always a goat mid-range shooter since 1986, but he combined it with great brand of ball from 91-93'

Suuuuuurrreeeee you haven’t made one :lol

[90sgoat]

I've actually watched that series not that many years ago and what I noticed is that MJ did ok, but was bullied in the post by Magic and that made it more difficult for him to deliver on offense.

[gengiskhan]

I've actually watched that series not that many years ago and what I noticed is that MJ did ok, but was bullied in the post by Magic and that made it more difficult for him to deliver on offense.

what series are you watching.

Dont you think MJ was heat checking the series in the beginning. game 1. Yes, magic is huge and large, that got MJ in PF trouble. I remember that.

But MJ being that roaming, gambling, defensive back kinda defender. I think he was heat checking Magic run LAL offense. How fast they can play the game.

By Game 2, I think MJ literally figured 1991 LAL and Magic offense out. Worthy or no worthy, 1991 MJ had the ability, barring injury, to speed up Bulls offense and go full 7 games and still win.

This was figured out by MJ in the middle of Game 2. Bulls offense was younger, too athletic, too fast for LAL to play physical defense.

1991 Blazers were better match up for 1991 Bulls imo. Magic did a favor to 1991 MJ by beating Blazers in WCF.

[90sgoat]

what series are you watching.

Dont you think MJ was heat checking the series in the beginning. game 1. Yes, magic is huge and large, that got MJ in PF trouble. I remember that.

But MJ being that roaming, gambling, defensive back kinda defender. I think he was heat checking Magic run LAL offense. How fast they can play the game.

By Game 2, I think MJ literally figured 1991 LAL and Magic offense out. Worthy or no worthy, 1991 MJ had the ability, barring injury, to speed up Bulls offense and go full 7 games and still win.

This was figured out by MJ in the middle of Game 2. Bulls offense was younger, too athletic, too fast for LAL to play physical defense.

1991 Blazers were better match up for 1991 Bulls imo. Magic did a favor to 1991 MJ by beating Blazers in WCF.

Maybe.

It was some years ago, but I do remember MJ being taken to the cleaners by Magic in game 1. He simply couldn't guard him in the post. It's a fact. Let's not sugarcoat it.

[gengiskhan]

Maybe.

It was some years ago, but I do remember MJ being taken to the cleaners by Magic in game 1. He simply couldn't guard him in the post. It's a fact. Let's not sugarcoat it.

Nobody is truly guarding magic. Its barely a containment job.

19 - 12.4 - 8 is not bad at all for ATG PG and Top 5 GOATs.

Magic was still great. Thats near 20 pts triple double numbers.

its just that MJ was in "god" mode.

[90sgoat]

Nobody is truly guarding magic. Its barely a containment job.

19 - 12.4 - 8 is not bad at all for ATG PG and Top 5 GOATs.

Magic was still great. Thats near 20 pts triple double numbers.

its just that MJ was in "god" mode.

I'm saying as a now impartial observer (I have Bird as goat now), that MJ did get bodied by Magic in game 1, it's a fact.

MJ wanted to guard Magic head on, like he usually did, but Magic destroyed him, literally backed him down like he was some small guy.

The series changed when Pippen began full court pressing Magic and making it more difficult to isolate MJ, because then MJ could go off on offense. That's honestly how I analyse that series.

That said, it was also obvious that Pippen was only a role player. Worthy was easily the third best player.

[Carbine]

There's not much argument for Worthy over Pippen in that series. Pippen scored more per game on better efficiency, significantly more assists and rebounds and steals and just overall better defense.

If 21/9/7 is just a role player I don't know what a star would be. Would 25/10/10 satisfy you?

[90sgoat]

There's not much argument for Worthy over Pippen in that series. Pippen scored more per game on better efficiency, significantly more assists and rebounds and steals and just overall better defense.

If 21/9/7 is just a role player I don't know what a star would be. Would 25/10/10 satisfy you?

Worthy was a legit offensive option. Lakers ran plays for Worthy and he played very well.

Pippen got his as he always did, in the flow of the game, because of the focus on MJ.

Worthy was a legit offensive weapon, Pippen wasn't.

[gbaLL]

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[Carbine]

Worthy was a legit offensive option. Lakers ran plays for Worthy and he played very well.

Pippen got his as he always did, in the flow of the game, because of the focus on MJ.

Worthy was a legit offensive weapon, Pippen wasn't.

Yeah, I believe that's what the triangle is based on - scoring within the flow of the offense/team with nobody dominating the ball.

If you're looking for iso 1/4 flats or 30 iso post ups you're not going to get it watching this offense.