BREAKING: Brunson signs well-below market extension, to get teammates paid

[Neal Romer]

Sacrificing about 40 mil over the next three years combined. Allows Knicks to extend other guys as needed over the next few years and keep this contender in tact.

Woj's tweet calls the move 'largely unprecedented.'

Damn.

So far, Bron and Brunson are the guys who 'get it' this offseason :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

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[Neal Romer]

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Like I said, him and Bron... they get it.

[Kblaze8855]

Relative to the cap, I think it’s the most an obvious max player has left on the table since Kevin Garnett decided not to extend at the rate his grandfathered in pre-lockout contract would’ve allowed around his MVP season. Do you want these? He and Shaq were the last two players not bound by the lockout agreement and he could’ve absolutely broken Minnesota, but he took a normal by the rules of that time deal only for them to break the team up anyway.

I think he was eligible to be the first hundred 150 million contract 10 years before Conley got it. Ended up playing with Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.

Edit

Found it. He dropped his salary from 28 to 16 when he could have gone into the 30s and set new records.

The runner up mvp and mvp of the season they were going into took a deal that cut his pay by almost half.

And his team was garbage all but one year after that anyway.

[GOBB]

Dumb. He better pray each and every night it doesn’t backfire. That’s a lot of money to give up.

[Neal Romer]

Funny thing is it seems players have finally woken up to this before team managers have, and it's something I've been saying all along.

Unless you have a generational player, max contracts are just going to handicap your competitiveness.

Paul George getting a max contract is what leads to mediocrity. Oh, and imagine signing Karl Anthony Towns to a supermax. Of course the Bradley Beal fiasco is well documented here. Dare we mention Andrew Wiggins? Zach Lavine? :roll:

If a guy like that tells you he wants a max, he's also telling you he's not committed to winning.

Imagine being such a cuck of a franchise you still roll over and give them all the money anyway :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

If a guy like that tells you he wants a max, he's also telling you he's not committed to winning.

Imagine being such a cuck of a franchise you still roll over and give them all the money anyway :roll:




you think all the teams are committed to winning? We’re talking about billionaires who make purely money decisions to be worse. And unlike the Lakers, a great many of them are billionaires without the NBA team valuation.

How can Mickey Arison, who inherited carnival cruise(Worth 9 billion and his sister is worth five and change) tell a player asking for his market value he isn’t committed to winning while he doesn’t go after players specifically to avoid the luxury tax?

It’s a business for both sides. Winning is a fan concern.

Not all teams are trying to tank till they draft Jokic or Giannis. Most of them know they’re not going to win and almost all of them know that even if they do win, they aren’t willing to pay to keep the team together long-term. Winning isn’t as big priority as you think it is. Most just want to be competitive nightly and keep revenue and valuations rising.

not everyone has the stomach to become the Oakland A’s and have 5000 people showing up because they know you’re gonna gut every good team you have if it can’t immediately win the title.

pressures go beyond winning a championship. Being a long-term laughing stock downright hurts the value of your team and the league as a whole. Some mediocrity is inevitable. A lot of teams are prepared to do their part more than they’re prepared to pay a 310 million dollar luxury tax bill like the warriors did.

[Wardell Curry]

I applaud the guy because clearly he's smart enough to recognize that he's set for life barring disastrous decision making and he also wants to win.

At the same time, the Knicks aren't likely to win so in that sense he should have gotten as much as he could.

But I applaud it. I think any truly extreme competitor would be smart enough to do this but practically nobody in any sport is. They're all just greed driven above winning. They say they want to win more than anything but they don't. Very, very few of them actually do.

[Neal Romer]

This isnt MJ's day where you have two decent offensive players to pay and the rest of the lineup are generic stock figures from an atari basketball game who can't do anything but watch their own main characters play or provide fodder for the other team's main characters to score on.

This is 2024. There's a lot of people with game out there. And a lot of teams are loading up. You cant waste money giving supermax deals to basic ass all-star level guys.

If you're committing all your money to 2 or 3 guys, and theyre not top 5 players? You're getting passed by. Teams with 4-5 good players in the lineup will just stomp you while youre trying to surround your 'supermax' players like Ja or Lamelo Ball with bargain bin current Russell Westbrook type players/contracts.

Teams like the Celtics and Knicks are leading the way. Celtics got a little bit lucky with the timing and trades, such that they could overpay Brown and Tatum without getting screwed. But the truth is they could trade either one of those guys right now for a smaller contract and still repeat. Because the team is loaded.

[ArbitraryWater]

Guys like Brunson and Bron, they get it..

[Neal Romer]

you think all the teams are committed to winning? We’re talking about billionaires who make purely money decisions to be worse. And unlike the Lakers, a great many of them are billionaires without the NBA team valuation.

How can Mickey Arison, who inherited carnival cruise(Worth 9 billion and his sister is worth five and change) tell a player asking for his market value he isn’t committed to winning while he doesn’t go after players specifically to avoid the luxury tax?

It’s a business for both sides. Winning is a fan concern.

Not all teams are trying to tank till they draft Jokic or Giannis. Most of them know you’re going to win and almost all of them know that even if they do win, they aren’t willing to pay to keep the team together long-term. Winning isn’t as big priority as you think it is. Most just want to be competitive nightly and keep revenue and valuations rising.

not everyone has the stomach to become the Oakland A’s and have 5000 people showing up because they know you’re gonna guy every good team you have if it can’t immediately win the title.

pressures go beyond winning a championship. Being a long-term laughing stock downright hurts the value of your team and the league as a whole. Some mediocrity is inevitable. A lot of teams are prepared to do their part more than they’re prepared to pay a 310 million dollar luxury tax bill like the warriors did.

For sure. You're right about that.

It's the fans who buy tickets and merchandise thinkin these teams pretending to wanna win are actually tryin to win.

The players and the owners... they're cruisin. Printing money.

Still, playing on a winning team is a lot more fun than playing on a loser. Kudos to Brunson for striking a reasonable balance between money and pride.

[GOBB]

It’s always average joes, commoners. Oops I’m sorry fans that want players to take less money. And they attach taking less to commitment to winning. It’s moronic. Nothing is sad about owner’s worth billions. Nothing is said when they sell the franchise for 2-3 times its value. But god forbid a player asks for the max. And the wealthy not rich but wealthy owner decides Inaint paying luxury tax to add a player/players to….ready for this? Help us win. So you as a fan blame the player for holding the franchise hostage financially.

I’m sorry but leaving $113,000,000 on the table so some average 9-5 joe can sit online, in a bar, at a sports arena and say “cool guy. He gets it. He’s committed to win.” ain’t a fair trade.

[Axe]

Wow, the very definition of selfless. :applause:

[beasted]

Unless you have a generational player, max contracts are just going to handicap your competitiveness.

Paul George getting a max contract is what leads to mediocrity.

This is the stance I have with Jaylen Brown. From a numbers perspective Paul George bodied Brown last season. TS%, VORP, WS, PER, BPM... all a clean sweep in favor of PG.

You don't sign fringe allstar players to a supermax.

[SouBeachTalents]

I’m sorry but leaving $113,000,000 on the table so some average 9-5 joe can sit online, in a bar, at a sports arena and say “cool guy. He gets it. He’s committed to win.” ain’t a fair trade.
He wasn't doing it for this though, he did it so he can potentially keep the team competitive for years to come and make additional moves. Your segue into what the fan thinks is frankly irrelevant to both his decision and the topic at hand.

[beasted]

It’s always average joes, commoners. Oops I’m sorry fans that want players to take less money. And they attach taking less to commitment to winning. It’s moronic. Nothing is sad about owner’s worth billions. Nothing is said when they sell the franchise for 2-3 times its value. But god forbid a player asks for the max. And the wealthy not rich but wealthy owner decides Inaint paying luxury tax to add a player/players to….ready for this? Help us win. So you as a fan blame the player for holding the franchise hostage financially.

I’m sorry but leaving $113,000,000 on the table so some average 9-5 joe can sit online, in a bar, at a sports arena and say “cool guy. He gets it. He’s committed to win.” ain’t a fair trade.

It's not a novel idea. People give up money to stay working at a company they like and with coworkers they appreciate all the time.

I've done it myself. I'd rather not jump ship every year and a half to get a pay raise.

[gbaLL]

watch me bball

[GOBB]

It's not a novel idea. People give up money to stay working at a company they like and with coworkers they appreciate all the time.

I've done it myself. I'd rather not jump ship every year and a half to get a pay raise.

No one has given up that amount of money to stay at their job. Which is why it’s unprecedented. No one making $60hr is going to agree to $30hr just to keep coworkers around so no one is laid off or leaves for another company. Teams can stay in text if the owner is willing to pay the luxury tax. As a player you maximize your worth and let the owner figure out how to keep the team together. This is not $30mil which I’ve seen players leave on the table. This is $113mil lol

I’m mind blown.

[GOBB]

He wasn't doing it for this though, he did it so he can potentially keep the team competitive for years to come and make additional moves. Your segue into what the fan thinks is frankly irrelevant to both his decision and the topic at hand.

It’s directed to the fans in this thread and on this msg board that think this way. So it’s very relevant. Maybe I touched a nerve saying average joe, commoner oops I mean fan. Sorry not sorry.

[Street Hunger]

Jalen is on his way to becoming one of the most beloved players in Knicks history

[Hey Yo]

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Speaking of X

It's 2024 so WTF isn't there an option to embed tweets on the board yet???

It's ****ing dumb that there isn't.

[Axe]

Because musk is an idiot. Duh.

[beasted]

No one has given up that amount of money to stay at their job. Which is why it’s unprecedented. No one making $60hr is going to agree to $30hr just to keep coworkers around so no one is laid off or leaves for another company. Teams can stay in text if the owner is willing to pay the luxury tax. As a player you maximize your worth and let the owner figure out how to keep the team together. This is not $30mil which I’ve seen players leave on the table. This is $113mil lol

I’m mind blown.

The dollar amount might be unusual, but the concept is clearly not.

[Real Men Wear Green]

This is the stance I have with Jaylen Brown. From a numbers perspective Paul George bodied Brown last season. TS%, VORP, WS, PER, BPM... all a clean sweep in favor of PG.

You don't sign fringe allstar players to a supermax.

And yet somehow Brown has a championship, which is the point behind Brunson's futile sacrifice. With all of this money that Brunson has saved James Dolan let's see who he signs. I'm sure they're going to sign someone major, right? It's not like they're capped out too and all that Brunson has done is saved a billionaire money.

Or is this not about championships? Is this just making sure you get a lot of PER and BPM? I'm sure that's much more valuable than a ring and Finals MVP. Every fan dreams of their team winning your wonderful statistics.

[NBAGOAT]

supposedly mikal is gonna take a discount too. Basically point of discount for knicks isnt to save money but avoid the 2nd apron. Knicks can make a big trade down the line with no restrictions. Think randle/mrob every pick for embiid or another superstar type thing. If they were in the 2nd apron they couldnt make that trade.

Brunson did make a big sacrifice for 3 years but he set it up so he gets the supermax in 3 years guaranteed unless the knicks screw him. That'll be like 5 yrs 420mil.

[Neal Romer]

And yet somehow Brown has a championship, which is the point behind Brunson's futile sacrifice. With all of this money that Brunson has saved James Dolan let's see who he signs. I'm sure they're going to sign someone major, right? It's not like they're capped out too and all that Brunson has done is saved a billionaire money.

Or is this not about championships? Is this just making sure you get a lot of PER and BPM? I'm sure that's much more valuable than a ring and Finals MVP Every fan dreams of their team winning your wonderful statistics.

This post is contradictory.

You're talking up the prestige of winning a championship yet claiming Brunson's sacrifice is futile and functions only to save Dolan money.

Every team has a limit on what they're going to spend. Brunson enabling the Knicks to keep current players within the parameters of what the Knicks are willing to spend is a favor to himself as well. He's going to have a better chance at competing for titles.

[Wardell Curry]

It’s always average joes, commoners. Oops I’m sorry fans that want players to take less money. And they attach taking less to commitment to winning. It’s moronic. Nothing is sad about owner’s worth billions. Nothing is said when they sell the franchise for 2-3 times its value. But god forbid a player asks for the max. And the wealthy not rich but wealthy owner decides Inaint paying luxury tax to add a player/players to….ready for this? Help us win. So you as a fan blame the player for holding the franchise hostage financially.

I’m sorry but leaving $113,000,000 on the table so some average 9-5 joe can sit online, in a bar, at a sports arena and say “cool guy. He gets it. He’s committed to win.” ain’t a fair trade.

Hey Mr. Whitey hater, it's not about saving the owners money. It's about the fact that the league operates with salary cap rules via the collective bargaining agreement between the owners and the players and that if an owner was worth 500 billion it doesn't mean he could spend 5 billion annually on player salary if he wanted. It doesn't work like that. There are limits because of the rules.

Even if the front office messes it up, this gives Jalen the best chance at winning. I would say the Knicks aren't going to win anything regardless so in that regard it's a mistake not to take all the money but you have to applaud him for trying.

Most players are not willing to try.


I’m mind blown.

Regardless if you had 100 million or 100 billion, you'd blow through all of it either way. And that's because you have no sense of abundance whatsoever which is the same reason you don't understand this.

[Real Men Wear Green]

This post is contradictory.

You're talking up the prestige of winning a championship yet claiming Brunson's sacrifice is futile and functions only to save Dolan money.

Every team has a limit on what they're going to spend. Brunson enabling the Knicks to keep current players within the parameters of what the Knicks are willing to spend is a favor to himself as well. He's going to have a better chance at competing for titles.
No you just can't read. Brunson's sacrifice is futile because the Knicks aren't winning a ring.

[Wardell Curry]

No you just can't read. Brunson's sacrifice is futile because the Knicks aren't winning a ring.

That is almost assuredly true.

But he's set for life either way. If he blows through what he gets here and with his probable next deal, many millions more wasn't going to make a difference.

[Real Men Wear Green]

That is almost assuredly true.

But he's set for life either way. If he blows through what he gets here and with his probable next deal, many millions more wasn't going to make a difference.
I'm not going to call him foolish for letting the money go but you can always use more money. Every million could mean another 4 of his descendants that get put through college. If he wants to help people that money has an infinite number of charitable users. Or yes, it could be a little more of a buffer on stupid behaviors.

[Neal Romer]

No you just can't read. Brunson's sacrifice is futile because the Knicks aren't winning a ring.

You're very insecure.

[SATAN]

It’s always average joes, commoners. Oops I’m sorry fans that want players to take less money. And they attach taking less to commitment to winning. It’s moronic. Nothing is sad about owner’s worth billions. Nothing is said when they sell the franchise for 2-3 times its value. But god forbid a player asks for the max. And the wealthy not rich but wealthy owner decides Inaint paying luxury tax to add a player/players to….ready for this? Help us win. So you as a fan blame the player for holding the franchise hostage financially.

I’m sorry but leaving $113,000,000 on the table so some average 9-5 joe can sit online, in a bar, at a sports arena and say “cool guy. He gets it. He’s committed to win.” ain’t a fair trade.

Are you ok?

[tpols]

Dumb. He better pray each and every night it doesn’t backfire. That’s a lot of money to give up.


You just showed your true character.

Winning is worth way more than money. And it's not like he's going to be poor. Will still be worth 100s of millions of dollars by the end of it all.

There's not a big difference between being worth 300 million and 400 million.

There's very little marginal value to do anymore than you already could have. What? Buy another 5 mansions or beach front properties on top of the 10 you already have?

[Wardell Curry]

I'm not going to call him foolish for letting the money go but you can always use more money. Every million could mean another 4 of his descendants that get put through college. If he wants to help people that money has an infinite number of charitable users. Or yes, it could be a little more of a buffer on stupid behaviors.

Eh. With the wealth he has and basic investments, his entire lineage would be set with proper management. But that's typically not how these things work. Eventually, and usually sooner than later, a certain kid comes along and blows it all and it's back to square 1.

But I do agree with you though the Knicks aren't winning and from that standpoint it's silly to give it up.

I just admire that he's willing to try, even if the Knicks don't cooperate or blow it.

[coin24]

Contender?:lol:roll:

This will go down as all time stupid..

[RRR3]

Contender?:lol:roll:

This will go down as all time stupid..
Just like you shew!

[Neal Romer]

But I do agree with you though the Knicks aren't winning and from that standpoint it's silly to give it up.

They easily could win the chip with the parity in the league right now.

This Knicks team healthy, vs lets say the Celtics next year who could very well see Pingis out with another injury? That's very winnable for the Knicks. And if they get through the East, there will be contenders in the West they match up well enough against to have a chance.

This is the age of parity. The Celtics are a good team who also had an EASY path. They're not unbeatable.

[coin24]

You just showed your true character.

Winning is worth way more than money. And it's not like he's going to be poor. Will still be worth 100s of millions of dollars by the end of it all.

There's not a big difference between being worth 300 million and 400 million.

There's very little marginal value to do anymore than you already could have. What? Buy another 5 mansions or beach front properties on top of the 10 you already have?

Winning what?

A game in the second round?:lol


It’s the Knicks. They’ll fu*k this up and Brunson just gave away $100m. Insane

[Kblaze8855]

Winning is worth way more than money.




People have won rings and ended up homeless. Sports victory has no real world value. You can choose it over money if you want. People choose a lot of things over money. Women have probably cost athletes more money than just about anything. Doesn’t make sex more valuable than money. It makes people irresponsible.

Definitely isn’t a character issue. You could save hundreds of lives by taking the money and using it responsibly for the good of the world.

It’s his call to make what he wants to prioritize but it definitely isn’t a moral one. He’s just putting money towards what he wants. Some want winning. Some want women. Some want property or jewelry.

None of them is a superior moral decision to the others.

[tpols]

No you just can't read. Brunson's sacrifice is futile because the Knicks aren't winning a ring.

Says who?

If Brunson, Bridges, OG are all healthy and guys like Divincenzo, hart and other role players ball out they have as much a chance as anybody. Mitchell Robinson is an elite defensive center as well and Julius Randle an All Star. ****ing ms real men wears pink Cleo over here.

:roll:

The Knicks just made a nice playoff run without All Star talents Bridges or Randle and with OG hurt and out.

They almost made the ECFs on the back of Brunson and Josh Hart alone.

[Neal Romer]

Winning what?

A game in the second round?:lol


It’s the Knicks. They’ll fu*k this up and Brunson just gave away $100m. Insane

It's a unique situation.

The guys they'll get to keep as a result of this arent just random players he barely knows outside of basketball. They're his actual close friends from college. So he's not just leaving money on the table to give to strangers. He's cultivating a work environment he actually wants to come in to every day for the next 4 years.

That has real value.

[tpols]

People have won rings and ended up homeless. Sports victory has no real world value. You can choose it over money if you want. People choose a lot of things over money. Women have probably cost athletes more money than just about anything. Doesn’t make sex more valuable than money. It makes people irresponsible.

Definitely isn’t a character issue. You could save hundreds of lives by taking the money and using it responsibly for the good of the world.

It’s his call to make what he wants to prioritize but it definitely isn’t a moral one. He’s just putting money towards what he wants. Some want winning. Some want women. Some want property or jewelry.

None of them is a superior moral decision to the others.

Uh... nah. That was back in the day when dudes made peanuts compared to now.

Brunson will make hundreds of millions of dollars before he ends his career. He's not going broke or homeless.

Lmao... and I can guarantee you that.

[tpols]

Winning what?

A game in the second round?:lol


It’s the Knicks. They’ll fu*k this up and Brunson just gave away $100m. Insane

Bro they already did that without OG, Bridges, or Randle...

What the **** are you talking about?

[Neal Romer]

People have won rings and ended up homeless. Sports victory has no real world value. You can choose it over money if you want. People choose a lot of things over money. Women have probably cost athletes more money than just about anything. Doesn’t make sex more valuable than money. It makes people irresponsible.

Definitely isn’t a character issue. You could save hundreds of lives by taking the money and using it responsibly for the good of the world.

It’s his call to make what he wants to prioritize but it definitely isn’t a moral one. He’s just putting money towards what he wants. Some want winning. Some want women. Some want property or jewelry.

None of them is a superior moral decision to the others.

Yeah, and Lebron could have all that with the snap of a finger and yet chooses to focus his energy on pursuing world peace.

Let THAT sink in.

[Kblaze8855]

Uh... nah. That was back in the day when dudes made peanuts compared to now.

Brunson will make hundreds of millions of dollars before he ends his career. He's not going broke or homeless.

Lmao... and I can guarantee you that.


Multiple people made over 100 million and went broke. One worked at Starbucks. One went to Puerto Rico for 36K a year.

I don’t assume he’s going broke but it’s still a decision to have less money for something he wants.

Hes not funneling the money to disabled veterans. Hes just getting a better sports team. It’s not some moral call. It’s not making the world a better place. He’s just buying what he wants. He wants good teammates and to win.

And that’s great.

Its fine. His call. Just like everyone else gets to make. Not the most positive use of a hundred million and definitely isn’t the worst. But it’s not a character issue. There are waaaaaaaay better uses of 100 million than letting James Dolan keep it to not reach whatever luxury tax apron and have a better basketball team.

I don’t see it as a negative. Just…a guy buying what he wants. He wants the Knicks to have more money.

His call.

[Kblaze8855]

That said has anyone considered he might just not wanna Isaiah Thomas himself and get hurt before the next big payday?

He just broke his hand at the peak of his powers. He might be thinking “What if it were my leg?”.

Could just want the security a year early. I wouldn’t blame him.

[tpols]

Just…a guy buying what he wants. He wants the Knicks to have more money.


Incorrect.

He's buying the chance at winning something he's worked his whole life to accomplish and simultaneously spend his life doing what he loves with his best friends.

There's honor in that. And it's worth more than money when he already will make enough for 100 lifetimes.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Says who?

If Brunson, Bridges, OG are all healthy and guys like Divincenzo, hart and other role players ball out they have as much a chance as anybody. Mitchell Robinson is an elite defensive center as well and Julius Randle an All Star. ****ing ms real men wears pink Cleo over here.

:roll:

The Knicks just made a nice playoff run without All Star talents Bridges or Randle and with OG hurt and out.

They almost made the ECFs on the back of Brunson and Josh Hart alone.

Their "nice run" ended in a second round series los to a team that Boston swept. Centric won the East by 16 games and for all your excuse making about who the Knicks didn't have the Celtics crushed the team that beat the Knicks w without getting a single second of action from a starting center that averaged 20 points and provides elite rim protection. That's how far the Knicks truly are from being a true contender. They've made significant moves towards being the second best team in the East and that's all. The Knicks don't have a player the Celtics don't have a defensive answer for. But you can sucker yourself into thinking the Knicks will win just like your did with the Mavericks. You're an idiot and just can't help yourself.

[RRR3]

Their "nice run" ended in a second round series los to a team that Boston swept. Centric won the East by 16 games and for all your excuse making about who the Knicks didn't have the Celtics crushed the team that beat the Knicks w without getting a single second of action from a starting center that averaged 20 points and provides elite rim protection. That's how far the Knicks truly are from being a true contender. They've made significant moves towards being the second best team in the East and that's all. The Knicks don't have a player the Celtics don't have a defensive answer for. But you can sucker yourself into thinking the Knicks will win just like your did with the Mavericks. You're an idiot and just can't help yourself.
ttrolls destroyed when he tries to talk ball yet again :ohwell:

[warriorfan]

It’s always average joes, commoners. Oops I’m sorry fans that want players to take less money. And they attach taking less to commitment to winning. It’s moronic. Nothing is sad about owner’s worth billions. Nothing is said when they sell the franchise for 2-3 times its value. But god forbid a player asks for the max. And the wealthy not rich but wealthy owner decides Inaint paying luxury tax to add a player/players to….ready for this? Help us win. So you as a fan blame the player for holding the franchise hostage financially.

I’m sorry but leaving $113,000,000 on the table so some average 9-5 joe can sit online, in a bar, at a sports arena and say “cool guy. He gets it. He’s committed to win.” ain’t a fair trade.

Yeah, you don’t get it

[tpols]

Their "nice run" ended in a second round series los to a team that Boston swept. Centric won the East by 16 games and for all your excuse making about who the Knicks didn't have the Celtics crushed the team that beat the Knicks w without getting a single second of action from a starting center that averaged 20 points and provides elite rim protection. That's how far the Knicks truly are from being a true contender. They've made significant moves towards being the second best team in the East and that's all. The Knicks don't have a player the Celtics don't have a defensive answer for. But you can sucker yourself into thinking the Knicks will win just like your did with the Mavericks. You're an idiot and just can't help yourself.

You clowns beat an Indiana team without their best player. :lol Haliburton actually played vs the Knicks.

And again the Knicks were missing OG, Bridges and Randle who are all All Star talents. That would be like the Celtics without Brown, Jrue and White.

You really must be mentally stunted to not be able to comprehend these contextual differences and what they mean to the outcome of a series.

[Kblaze8855]

Incorrect.

He's buying the chance at winning something he's worked his whole life to accomplish and simultaneously spend his life doing what he loves with his best friends.

There's honor in that. And it's worth more than money when he already will make enough for 100 lifetimes.


It could be worth it to him. Doesn’t give it real world value or make it useful to society. The money isn’t doing anything to help anyone. Dolan not paying the luxury tax isn’t making the world a better place. Giving James Dolan 100 million dollars does no more for the world than giving it to a groupie. It absolutely does less than accepting it and putting it to use aiding a worthy cause.

Hes under no obligation to do that of course. It’s his money to keep, spend, or give back to a billionaire.

Hes free to do what he wants with it. But his choice is to make something he desires more likely not to do anything useful to the world.

It’s still money going to other rich people. He’s just giving it back to an even richer guy to decide what to do with it.

He didn’t set it on fire like the joker to send a message. He just chose to allocate it to something he wants. Like any other purchase.

[NBAGOAT]

Their "nice run" ended in a second round series los to a team that Boston swept. Centric won the East by 16 games and for all your excuse making about who the Knicks didn't have the Celtics crushed the team that beat the Knicks w without getting a single second of action from a starting center that averaged 20 points and provides elite rim protection. That's how far the Knicks truly are from being a true contender. They've made significant moves towards being the second best team in the East and that's all. The Knicks don't have a player the Celtics don't have a defensive answer for. But you can sucker yourself into thinking the Knicks will win just like your did with the Mavericks. You're an idiot and just can't help yourself.

knicks were like 20-3 with brunson randle og. then you add bridges to that mix. That's a contender, their floor might be like 55 wins when healthy. This isnt dallas with average role guys around their 2 stars, knicks dont have a weakness 1-7 or 8. Pacers beat the knicks without randle or og that series doesnt matter too much. The celtics are better but I would argue they dont have an offensive player either the knicks dont have an answer for when you have bridges/og for tatum/brown. Celtics are better and knicks have some injury concerns but we'll see if porzingis is healthy, they'll need him next year.

[warriorfan]

You clowns beat an Indiana team without their best player. :lol Haliburton actually played vs the Knicks.

And again the Knicks were missing OG, Bridges and Randle who are all All Star talents. That would be like the Celtics without Brown, Jrue and White.

You really must be mentally stunted to not be able to comprehend these contextual differences and what they mean to the outcome of a series.

Lol, He thinks just because Boston has a good team, all other teams should just pack it in and not even try to compete?

Weird.

Boston is an amazing team but they are an injury two away from making it a toss up. If that happens you are sure as hell that the Knicks will be glad they went all in.

[warriorfan]

It could be worth it to him. Doesn’t give it real world value or make it useful to society. The money isn’t doing anything to help anyone. Dolan not paying the luxury tax isn’t making the world a better place. Giving James Dolan 100 million dollars does no more for the world than giving it to a groupie. It absolutely does less than accepting it and putting it to use aiding a worthy cause.

Hes under no obligation to do that of course. It’s his money to keep, spend, or give back to a billionaire.

Hes free to do what he wants with it. But his choice is to make something he desires more likely not to do anything useful to the world.

It’s still money going to other rich people. He’s just giving it back to an even richer guy to decide what to do with it.

He didn’t set it on fire like the joker to send a message. He just chose to allocate it to something he wants. Like any other purchase.

It’s his money.

Don’t worry too much about it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The Celtics were 2-0 in the games Haliburton played. ButI guess you think he makes the magical difference that keeps the Celtics from being Champs. You really must be an idiot because you're an idiot. Celtics son the East by 16 games and beat the hell out of everyone. Knicks are a bunch of wings inferior to the Celtic stars and a scoring guard that will be defended by a DPoY candidate.

[Neal Romer]

It could be worth it to him. Doesn’t give it real world value or make it useful to society. The money isn’t doing anything to help anyone. Dolan not paying the luxury tax isn’t making the world a better place. Giving James Dolan 100 million dollars does no more for the world than giving it to a groupie. It absolutely does less than accepting it and putting it to use aiding a worthy cause.

Hes under no obligation to do that. It’s his money to keep, spend, or give back to a billionaire.

Hes free to do what he wants with it. But his choice is to make something he desires more likely not to do anything useful to the world.

It’s still money going to other rich people. He’s just giving it back to an even richer guy to decide what to do with it.

He didn’t set it on fire like the joker to send a message. He just chose to allocate it to something he wants. Like any other purchase.


You keep asserting the false premise the money is going back to Dolan.

Dolan is gonna spend a predetermined amount on the team regardless.

Brunson is taking less so that his friends/teammates can eat with him, rather than Brunson taking a huge slice and giving tiny slices to the likes of Juan Toscano-Anderson and D'Moi Hodge.

The amount Dolan is gonna spend on the team doesnt change either way. This just makes the roster more competitive.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lol, He thinks just because Boston has a good team, all other teams should just pack it in and not even try to compete?


I didn't say that at all. What happen, your blowtorch not working tonight?

[Kblaze8855]

It’s his money.

Don’t worry too much about it.




That’s exactly my point. Hes buying what he wants. He wants James Dolan to have more money to maybe help the team. It’s his to do with as he pleases. But it definitely isn’t an issue of right and wrong. It’s just a guy allocating money how he sees fit for his personal desires.

I’m sure Dolan appreciated it. Biggest gift he’s likely to get before his dad(yes his dad is still alive…he’s like 100) passes and gives him another few billion dollars to build giant spheres all over the world at a couple billion a pop.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You keep asserting the false premise the money is going back to Dolan.

Dolan is gonna spend a predetermined amount on the team regardless.

Brunson is taking less so that his friends/teammates can eat with him, rather than Brunson taking a huge slice and giving tiny slices to the likes of Juan Toscano-Anderson and D'Moi Hodge.

The amount Dolan is gonna spend on the team doesnt change either way. This just makes the roster more competitive.
No, the amount of money an owner spends varies based on payroll and luxury tax. You routinely write crap that is demonstrably false. Thanks for reminding me why you should be ignored.

[Kblaze8855]

You keep asserting the false premise the money is going back to Dolan.

Dolan is gonna spend a predetermined amount on the team regardless.

Brunson is taking less so that his friends/teammates can eat with him, rather than Brunson taking a huge slice and giving tiny slices to the likes of Juan Toscano-Anderson and D'Moi Hodge.

The amount Dolan is gonna spend on the team doesnt change either way. This just makes the roster more competitive.


People have not had a good time assuming Dolan is gonna do the right thing.

Brunson might well be banned from the arena for life if he offers any criticism after he retires.

These people aren’t shit to Dolan.

[NBAGOAT]

That said has anyone considered he might just not wanna Isaiah Thomas himself and get hurt before the next big payday?

He just broke his hand at the peak of his powers. He might be thinking “What if it were my leg?”.

Could just want the security a year early. I wouldn’t blame him.

with his connections in front office he might be guaranteed the supermax his next contract even if he declines. doubt leon rose his godfather pulls a morey/harden situation.

It's more like he sacrificed 15mil/yr for 3 years.

Edit: and dolan has let this front office do what they want. Those guys are going make moves if the right move presents itself

[Kblaze8855]

with his connections in front office he might be guaranteed the supermax his next contract even if he declines. doubt leon rose his godfather pulls a morey/harden situation.

It's more like he sacrificed 15mil/yr for 3 years.

Edit: and dolan has let this front office do what they want. Those guys are going make moves if the right move presents itself


If he IT3s himself and is an immediate shell worth a minimum contract you think Dolan just gives him 300 million out of the kindness of his heart?

[warriorfan]

That’s exactly my point. Hes buying what he wants. He wants James Dolan to have more money to maybe help the team. It’s his to do with as he pleases. But it definitely isn’t an issue of right and wrong. It’s just a guy allocating money how he sees fit for his personal desires.

I’m sure Dolan appreciated it. Biggest gift he’s likely to get before his dad(yes his dad is still alive…he’s like 100) passes and gives him another few billion dollars to build giant spheres all over the world at a couple billion a pop.

Tbh I think you care about how much money Dolan and Brunson have more than they do.

They both have so much money where it doesn’t really matter and are better off doing what they want with their life rather than stacking a few more decimal places

[Kblaze8855]

Tbh I think you care about how much money Dolan and Brunson have than they do.

They both have so much money where it doesn’t really matter and are better off doing what they want with their life rather than stacking a few more decimal places


Have you any idea how litigious James Dolan is? He definitely cares more about both his money and reputation than I do.

I don’t care how much any of them make. It comes from a near inexhaustible well that you tend to be very annoyed by allocation wise. I don’t much care. But how it’s allocated definitely isn’t a moral issue.

[Carbine]

People have won rings and ended up homeless. Sports victory has no real world value. You can choose it over money if you want. People choose a lot of things over money. Women have probably cost athletes more money than just about anything. Doesn’t make sex more valuable than money. It makes people irresponsible.

Definitely isn’t a character issue. You could save hundreds of lives by taking the money and using it responsibly for the good of the world.

It’s his call to make what he wants to prioritize but it definitely isn’t a moral one. He’s just putting money towards what he wants. Some want winning. Some want women. Some want property or jewelry.

None of them is a superior moral decision to the others.

Sports victory for the Knicks has real world value. You don't understand that market if you think otherwise.

It has been what, over 50 years since they've won a title? For that storied of a franchise? Come on... He would be one of the 3 most beloved people in New York for years, possibly #1 if they won a title. The endorsement and money opportunities would pouring in tenfold.

[NBAGOAT]

If he IT3s himself and is an immediate shell worth a minimum contract you think Dolan just gives him 300 million out of the kindness of his heart?

if he its himself he takes the player option for 43mil at least. like you said if he its himself next year he wouldnt have gotten the max either so there was risk that route too. This is most he couldve gotten right now, he has to wait til next offseason to get the max

[tpols]

Lol, He thinks just because Boston has a good team, all other teams should just pack it in and not even try to compete?

Weird.

Boston is an amazing team but they are an injury two away from making it a toss up. If that happens you are sure as hell that the Knicks will be glad they went all in.

That's what I'm saying.

This may be the best Knicks team of all time if they stay healthy. They were a hair away from the ECFs and just added back two All Star 25 ppg players and a defensive monster in OG.

If the Celtics have pocket Aces, the Knicks have Ace Kings... and what? They're supposed to fold?

Boston fans like real men wear pink got used to the cakewalk path they were granted and are now arrogant over it thinking theyre invincible. It's quite a sight to behold. :oldlol:

[90sgoat]

With how much these guys are making, it really doesn't matter so much as who takes care of their money the best.

Except I imagine that money for these guys also becomes a source of pride, like a high score, more money puts you at the top of the player hierarchy.

[warriorfan]

Have you any idea how litigious James Dolan is? He definitely cares more about both his money and reputation than I do.

I don’t care how much any of them make. It comes from a near inexhaustible well that you tend to be very annoyed by allocation wise. I don’t much care. But how it’s allocated definitely isn’t a moral issue.


james dolan is a lame piece of shit but framing this as “brunson is giving more money to evil james dolan!” is kinda absurd


With how much these guys are making, it really doesn't matter so much as who takes care of their money the best.

Except I imagine that money for these guys also becomes a source of pride, like a high score, more money puts you at the top of the player hierarchy.


It definitely is. It’s natural to want to be paid the most which is akin to being the top dog. It’s a status thing.

But it’s kinda goofy because like you said unless they do some really retarded stuff, it doesn’t really matter who makes 50 mil a year and who makes 45 before taxes.

But if guys don’t give a shit about anything and want that status as the highest paid guy, even if it doesn’t really formulate to anything in team success, that’s fine, it’s his career he can do what he wants.

[tpols]

You keep asserting the false premise the money is going back to Dolan.

Dolan is gonna spend a predetermined amount on the team regardless.

Brunson is taking less so that his friends/teammates can eat with him, rather than Brunson taking a huge slice and giving tiny slices to the likes of Juan Toscano-Anderson and D'Moi Hodge.

The amount Dolan is gonna spend on the team doesnt change either way. This just makes the roster more competitive.

Yup. And not only that, but if he did take the extra 100 million we know damn well he wouldn't just be sending it to charity for the homeless or disabled veterans. What proportion of wealth do rich athletes send to that type of stuff? Probably less than 2% of their earnings. And that's the generous ones. Some do 0% unless you count tipping strippers as charity.

[Carbine]

Something else that needs to be mentioned is these high value guys probably have insurance out on themselves for potential injury causing loss of earnings.

If he years his ACL he's getting a big bag of money.

[coin24]

Bro they already did that without OG, Bridges, or Randle...

What the **** are you talking about?

Randle is dog shit what are you talking about :lol

[coin24]

Just like you shew!

It’s the all time virgin! Another busy 24 hours on ish tittyboy ?

[RRR3]

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[Kblaze8855]

james dolan is a lame piece of shit but framing this as “brunson is giving more money to evil james dolan!” is kinda absurd



when did I say he was evil? You’ve never seen me criticize rich people for being rich. I don’t care that he’s a trust fund baby either. I’m literally Walking through the mall with a trust fund baby right now.

I said he is letting Dolan keep the money, which is what happened. He’s letting the owner keep the money. What happens after that is to be seen. As I showed Kevin Garnett took The largest relative to cap paycut in history at his absolute peak and watched the team **** it up and lose his supporting cast over money.

maybe Dolan spins it on whoever and maybe it helps them win. Maybe none of that happens. As I said, I’m not criticizing the decision. I’m saying it isn’t a question of morals. Giving $100 million to James Dolan to do with as he pleases is not some positive move. Nor is it negative.

Just a guy getting what he wants for his money. Or at least hoping he can. Keeping your owner from paying more luxury tax is a perfectly fine decision. No better or worse than most uses. It’s certainly less useful to society than a great many things, but as I said, it’s not my place to tell him how to blow 100 million.

I spend money that could change somebody’s outlook on life on dinner.

I didn’t help him earn it… I’m not telling him what to do with it.

I’m saying letting James Dolan keep it isn’t a character thing.

[warriorfan]

when did I say he was evil? You’ve never seen me criticize rich people for being rich. I don’t care that he’s a trust fund baby either. I’m literally Walking through the mall with a trust fund baby right now.

I said he is letting Dolan keep the money, which is what happened. He’s letting the owner keep the money. What happens after that is to be seen. As I showed Kevin Garnett took The largest relative to cap paycut in history at his absolute peak and watched the team **** it up and lose his supporting cast over money.

maybe Dolan spins it on whoever and maybe it helps them win. Maybe none of that happens. As I said, I’m not criticizing the decision. I’m saying it isn’t a question of morals. Giving $100 million to James Dolan to do with as he pleases is not some positive move. Nor is it negative.

Just a guy getting what he wants for his money. Or at least hoping he can. Keeping your owner from paying more luxury tax is a perfectly fine decision. No better or worse than most uses. It’s certainly less useful to society than a great many things, but as I said, it’s not my place to tell him how to blow 100 million.

I spend money that could change somebody’s outlook on life on dinner.

I didn’t help him earn it… I’m not telling him what to do with it.

I’m saying letting James Dolan keep it isn’t a character thing.

Dunno, you kinda keep stressing giving it to dolan

If you look at it realistically, Brunson giving Dolan 100 million dollars or lighting it on fire like the joker in the dark night is the same thing basically

It doesn’t really mean anything to them

[Patrick Chewing]

It’s the all time virgin! Another busy 24 hours on ish tittyboy ?

He has nothing else to do. We know he has no girlfriend and still lives with his parents.

[Kblaze8855]

Dunno, you kinda keep stressing giving it to dolan

If you look at it realistically, Brunson giving Dolan 100 million dollars or lighting it on fire like the joker in the dark night is the same thing basically

It doesn’t really mean anything to them


Because that’s exactly what it is.

People always complain about player salary as if the other option isn’t the owners keeping it. There is no third option. You take it and do what you want with it. Or you let owners keep it. They might pay it out. They might simply avoid luxury taxes and keep it. But it’s up to them.

People have been taking hometown discounts that do nothing but enrich ownership since the beginning of sports leagues. Once you sign on the line they can do whatever the hell they want.

A tremendous number of people who worked with Dolan would tell you he’s not to be trusted. And some of them are former Knicks legends. Remains to be seen what he does. But like I said if he wants to let him keep it that’s his business.

But keeping that money in the closed loop of sports isn’t some sign of higher character.

Just a guy trying to get what he wants. He wants a good sports team. Other people want other expensive things. It’s allowed.

[bluechox2]

Boston with the Mickey Mouse run :lol.

[GOBB]

You just showed your true character.

Winning is worth way more than money. And it's not like he's going to be poor. Will still be worth 100s of millions of dollars by the end of it all.

There's not a big difference between being worth 300 million and 400 million.

There's very little marginal value to do anymore than you already could have. What? Buy another 5 mansions or beach front properties on top of the 10 you already have?

You can’t relate to that kind of money. It’s always fans that will never see that kind of money wanting to play the “winning is worth more than money” game. Lol Average joes like I said. Trying to think a person doesn’t want to win if they maximize their worth. The fact you can’t see the difference between 300 and 400 million screams that. Always people in lower tax bracket that are these professional financial advisors that sit ontop of this soap box with a humble t shirt that talk this nonsense. Ask a wealthy person what they would do and get back to me. Billionaires don’t stay billionaires by this logic.

[Real Men Wear Green]

knicks were like 20-3 with brunson randle og. then you add bridges to that mix. That's a contender, their floor might be like 55 wins when healthy. This isnt dallas with average role guys around their 2 stars, knicks dont have a weakness 1-7 or 8. Pacers beat the knicks without randle or og that series doesnt matter too much. The celtics are better but I would argue they dont have an offensive player either the knicks dont have an answer for when you have bridges/og for tatum/brown. Celtics are better and knicks have some injury concerns but we'll see if porzingis is healthy, they'll need him next year.

I wonder how many hundreds of teams have had a good record for some quarter of a season. The knicks do have a weakness, they don't have any center depth and the center they have won't be giving them any offense. Apparently the money they saved on Brunson still couldn't keep Hartenstein around. They needed repeated 40 point explosions from Brunson to get to the second round and lose to a team the Celtics swept without their starting center. They have a redundant number of wings not as good as Tatum and Brown, players that won't be as effective as they should be because Brunson is being ridden like he's Jordan.

I don't even remember what happened when the Celtics played Bridges or Anunoby, who they defended and what happened when they did it... but I'm pretty sure the Raptors and Nets gave the Celtics no problems.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Boston with the Mickey Mouse run :lol.

I guess that would make the Mavericks Donald Duck, Pacers are Minnie, and the Knicks would be like Pluto.

[Real Men Wear Green]

A different thought: Max-worthy player on a contract so much less than that is potentially a highly- desirable asset. I wonder if Brunson unknowingly set himself up to combined with a few other assets for the knicks to go after a bigger star?

[GOBB]

You keep asserting the false premise the money is going back to Dolan.

Dolan is gonna spend a predetermined amount on the team regardless.

Brunson is taking less so that his friends/teammates can eat with him, rather than Brunson taking a huge slice and giving tiny slices to the likes of Juan Toscano-Anderson and D'Moi Hodge.

The amount Dolan is gonna spend on the team doesnt change either way. This just makes the roster more competitive.

What friends? Josh hart is locked in until 26-27 with a player option for 27-28. Dante is locked in until 26-27. Bridges deal is up summer of 26. Julius Randle is up for a deal next summer and you think he’s taking less? You think he will say Brunson didn’t take $113mil so I should take less too. Or it’s ok for him to get paid just not Brunson? Randle is gonna get paid be it with NYK or elsewhere. OG literally took $212mil. And here’s the catch? None of Brunson “friends” are untouchable. At any point in this 3 year window they can be traded. And it’ll be business. So what friends are benefitting from this? Dolan? He now doesn’t have to worry about paying a lot in tax if they want to add a player?

Ultimately it’s Brunson decision regardless what we all think. I’m on the side that you do what’s best for you because the owner isn’t loyal to you. And your friends will be put in a position to choose money or take significantly less. And the odds of it being the latter just isn’t realistic. And that’s ok.

[Wardell Curry]

I’m saying letting James Dolan keep it isn’t a character thing.

On one hand, I agree, but on another, when you compare it to other players who get up there on the mic over and over and over and over and say "I just want to win" or "the ultimate or only goal is to win a championship" it kind of is. At the very least it's more honest than those slew of other guys.

Spoiler alert: it's not going to work and he's not going to get a championship with the Knicks, however.

[GOBB]

If he IT3s himself and is an immediate shell worth a minimum contract you think Dolan just gives him 300 million out of the kindness of his heart?

I like Brunson and that’s what I’m hoping doesn’t happen. Where in the end Dolan regardless of injury, bad performance, early exits honors him for what he did. To trust owners especially Dolan is crazy to me. But the talks would be “its business. What did Brunson expect”.

[snipes12]

Under the table and profit share of tickets ? He is not that dumb

[GOBB]

On one hand, I agree, but on another, when you compare it to other players who get up there on the mic over and over and over and over and say "I just want to win" or "the ultimate or only goal is to win a championship" it kind of is. At the very least it's more honest than those slew of other guys.

Spoiler alert: it's not going to work and he's not going to get a championship with the Knicks, however.

You can win and get paid. Theres no saving grace for a player who takes less to win and doesn’t. You’re not mentioning it when talking about their careers as a player. No one does it for KG. Fans like yourself just wanna take an opportunity to bash a player for wanting to win and get paid the most at the same time. Not sure if it’s being envious of the amount of money they have or what. But to judge someone’s character because they want to maximize their market value? To question their commitment to winning because they take the money money is flawed. And honestly stupid.

[HylianNightmare]

Jalen is on his way to becoming one of the most beloved players in Knicks history
This. Hang that jersey up already

[ILLsmak]

That's a lot of money regardless. I'd rather have quality of life (winning,) the only way it would backfire re: GOBB is if they **** it up. If they have an idea of what they are gonna do, good on 'em.

I'm rootin for ya, Jalen.

Edit: also, after browsing, you can say the same thing about winning, tho. Success is not money. True success. Doing something historic. Plenty of people are scientists and didn't get money but they changed the world and will be remembered. I mean, that level of money is basically your estate way after death. What if you wanna have your family be proud of you? You believe in them to make their own money eventually and you wanna succeed at what the actual goal of the NBA is: winning a ring.

I promise you that want for money is something nearly everyone can understand. I don't think people can understand what it's like to be a multi millionaire who has one thing they can't get and they want it. Think about MJ and Charles, they prol put that much money on the table gambling. Winning is big. Being able to sit back and say I'm the best is something special. TRUST YA BOY. There are a bunch of rich people. But yeah getting generational money is cool. And it's a risk, but assuming it actually works it's a no brainer. NY championship? Legend? Takes less money to win. That's a movie.

-Smak

[Real Men Wear Green]

A lot of family members have sold dad's old championship ring for money. But the thing is him taking less money doesn't guarantee them anything. Are they one of the five best teams in the NBA right now with Mitchell Robinson as their only big?

[Neal Romer]

What friends? Josh hart is locked in until 26-27 with a player option for 27-28. Dante is locked in until 26-27. Bridges deal is up summer of 26. Julius Randle is up for a deal next summer and you think he’s taking less? You think he will say Brunson didn’t take $113mil so I should take less too. Or it’s ok for him to get paid just not Brunson? Randle is gonna get paid be it with NYK or elsewhere. OG literally took $212mil. And here’s the catch? None of Brunson “friends” are untouchable. At any point in this 3 year window they can be traded. And it’ll be business. So what friends are benefitting from this? Dolan? He now doesn’t have to worry about paying a lot in tax if they want to add a player?

Ultimately it’s Brunson decision regardless what we all think. I’m on the side that you do what’s best for you because the owner isn’t loyal to you. And your friends will be put in a position to choose money or take significantly less. And the odds of it being the latter just isn’t realistic. And that’s ok.


Fair point, but then why did Brunson do it? I am beyond positive the point of him leaving this money on the table wasnt to save James Dolan some coin. Maybe with all these guys being paid and Brunson taking a max, they would eventually have to move one or two of his buddies. Or maybe like you said, this allows them to package some guys, maybe Randle in a sign and trade, to make an even bigger move.

Whatever the exact reason, the primary impetus is not to keep Dolan's money in his pocket. Nobody could possibly think that and be serious, despite KBlaze's best attempts to pretend to believe so. Brunson is obviously getting something that's important to himself out of this as well.

[ILLsmak]

A lot of family members have sold dad's old championship ring for money. But the thing is him taking less money doesn't guarantee them anything. Are they one of the five best teams in the NBA right now with Mitchell Robinson as their only big?


Like I said: if they can get something out of this... if he just did it for what they already have, it doesn't make sense, but if they are gonna make a big move. NYK THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE A BIG MOVE. Nah, I imagine they have something in mind. I mean, nothing is guaranteed regarding winning, but if you didn't have a guarantee of something happening, like getting another player, it doesn't make any sense. I have to believe there is something going on, but who knows.

-Smak

[tpols]

That's a lot of money regardless. I'd rather have quality of life (winning,) the only way it would backfire re: GOBB is if they **** it up. If they have an idea of what they are gonna do, good on 'em.

I'm rootin for ya, Jalen.

Edit: also, after browsing, you can say the same thing about winning, tho. Success is not money. True success. Doing something historic. Plenty of people are scientists and didn't get money but they changed the world and will be remembered. I mean, that level of money is basically your estate way after death. What if you wanna have your family be proud of you? You believe in them to make their own money eventually and you wanna succeed at what the actual goal of the NBA is: winning a ring.

I promise you that want for money is something nearly everyone can understand. I don't think people can understand what it's like to be a multi millionaire who has one thing they can't get and they want it. Think about MJ and Charles, they prol put that much money on the table gambling. Winning is big. Being able to sit back and say I'm the best is something special. TRUST YA BOY. There are a bunch of rich people. But yeah getting generational money is cool. And it's a risk, but assuming it actually works it's a no brainer. NY championship? Legend? Takes less money to win. That's a movie.

-Smak

Yup.

Great post.

The people who have been remembered and revered throughout history didn't have that legacy based on their net worth in dollars.

Nobody cares how much money George Washington, or Albert Einstein or Alexander the Great or Michelangelo or Picasso or Tesla etc. had. In fact some of them died flat broke.

But they were remembered for their historic deeds and actions.

[FKAri]

Have the Knicks been spending money in free agency though? They didn't used to but I haven't paid attention lately. It's cool to leave money on the table if there's a plan in place and/or that money is definitely going to be used to go after someone. But without that it seems to just play into the owner's hands.

[imdaman99]

If he wins a ring here, build that statue.

[Kblaze8855]

Yup.

Great post.

The people who have been remembered and revered throughout history didn't have that legacy based on their net worth in dollars.

Nobody cares how much money George Washington, or Albert Einstein or Alexander the Great or Michelangelo or Picasso or Tesla etc. had. In fact some of them died flat broke.

But they were remembered for their historic deeds and actions.

George Washington was one of the richest people in the colonies. Not cash rich but land and….property. He was able to do a lot of what he did because of his immense resources. You wouldn’t even know who a poor George Washington was. Alexander the Great was the son of a king and conqueror. Michelangelo was from a family in finance and his dad was the local judge.

People not remembering how legends were supported as they got that status doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Edison had goons. Tesla had ideas. That’s why you think Edison invented the lightbulb and you’re not entirely certain what Tesla did.

[GOBB]

Yup.

Great post.

The people who have been remembered and revered throughout history didn't have that legacy based on their net worth in dollars.

Nobody cares how much money George Washington, or Albert Einstein or Alexander the Great or Michelangelo or Picasso or Tesla etc. had. In fact some of them died flat broke.

But they were remembered for their historic deeds and actions.

And had Jalen Brunson waited til next summer and took the max instead of what he did? No one will remember that either. Win or lose. It will get lost with what fans like yourself care and will talk about. The end result of it all. And his character, commitment to winning is just the same had he took the max vs giving up less. That’s what some of you folks in this thread can’t comprehend.

James Harden gets labeled as “not a winner”. The amount of money he has accumulated is never in the discussion about his career, comparisons to peers/past greats. Heck OG just got the bag as he stayed with the Knicks. No one questions his character, his desire to win, his commitment etc etc blah blah.

Gilbert arenas took less money so his teammate Jamison could cash in on a contract. People still clown Gilbert as a loser, a player that didn’t care about winning. It’s rare that what he did is even mentioned. So taking less or your market value does not determine desire to win, commitment, character by any means.

[GOBB]

I'm rootin for ya, Jalen.


-Smak

Knicks is a dog shyt franchise. They get some relevance and their fan base is out in storms like they always been around. But Jalen Brunson I root for. One of the few Knicks I ever did. Not rooting for him to win it all of course but other than that. Hard to dislike/hate the guy. Even with the new found fame and attention he has created for himself. Hopefully he balls and no injuries occur. And he makes out (financially) in the end afterall.

[tpols]

George Washington was one of the richest people in the colonies. Not cash rich but land and….property. He was able to do a lot of what he did because of his immense resources. You wouldn’t even know who a poor George Washington was. Alexander the Great was the son of a king and conqueror. Michelangelo was from a family in finance and his dad was the local judge.

People not remembering how legends were supported as they got that status doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Edison had goons. Tesla had ideas. That’s why you think Edison invented the lightbulb and you’re not entirely certain what Tesla did.

And nobody cares about any of their money, but instead what they did. Tesla is probably the smartest man to ever live and he died broke bouncing from motel room to motel room. Picasso was poor most his life. Poe is probably the most famous American Poet and same thing. Greatness always mattered more than materialistic things like money. The thing with Brunson is he has a shot at both. So he gets to potentially have his cake and eat it too.

[Kblaze8855]

Whatever the exact reason, the primary impetus is not to keep Dolan's money in his pocket. Nobody could possibly think that and be serious, despite KBlaze's best attempts to pretend to believe so.





I didn’t say that’s the reason he did it. It said it’s what he did. I’m sure KG didn’t reduce his own salary by 40+ percent when he was at his peak to help Glen Taylor. But that’s exactly what it did. Apparently there was what KG called an “Understanding” he could later move into ownership but the deal apparently died with Flip Saunders and Taylor betrayed him. Kevin Garnetts number isn’t even retired in Minnesota.

These gestures get laughed at by some of these owners and Dolan absolutely doesn’t strike me as the “Respect our legends” type if you listen to guys like Ewing. We don’t even need to go into Oakley. The crowd was chanting his name 20 years after he retired and he still got banned. Marv Albert called every Knicks game since before Willis Reed and Walt Frazier were drafted up till Marbury was there and got removed for telling the truth about them being poorly run at the time.

Of all the owners I’d assume might do the right thing….Dolan wouldn’t be high on the list.

And as has been pointed out almost everyone is already locked up.

Dolan wins this round. Maybe he spreads the love. Maybe not.

People who follow his behavior don’t have much positive to say so I guess we will wait to see.

[Kblaze8855]

And nobody cares about any of their money, but instead what they did. Tesla is probably the smartest man to ever live and he died broke bouncing from motel room to motel room. Picasso was poor most his life. Poe is probably the most famous American Poet and same thing. Greatness always mattered more than materialistic things like money. The thing with Brunson is he has a shot at both. So he gets to potentially have his cake and eat it too.


You don’t have to care about their money. If they weren’t born into the situations they were, they wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do the things you do care about. Shit on money all you like. Money is the only reason you know a great deal of the big names in history existed. money a massive part of getting things done.

George Washington was worth over half a billion in current dollars. How do you think he financed so much? Most of the founders were rich as ****.

The money is largely why they were able to do what they did. Ideas only get you so far. Eventually you run into someone with hired goons


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[tpols]

Yea but if someone steals your ideas or accomplishments because they have money it doesn't really matter. The Universe will recognize where the greatness truly came from.

[Neal Romer]

George Washington was one of the richest people in the colonies. Not cash rich but land and….property. He was able to do a lot of what he did because of his immense resources. You wouldn’t even know who a poor George Washington was. Alexander the Great was the son of a king and conqueror. Michelangelo was from a family in finance and his dad was the local judge.

People not remembering how legends were supported as they got that status doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Edison had goons. Tesla had ideas. That’s why you think Edison invented the lightbulb and you’re not entirely certain what Tesla did.


Lebron started from the bottom. Now he HERE:





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Deal with it.

[tpols]

Lebron started from the bottom. Now he HERE:





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dg4snyBWsAIeqSO.jpg:large



Deal with it.

I was gonna say with regards to basketball greatness did anybody grow up rich? Maybe Kobe and Curry and that's it? Most were either poor or middle class. LeGOAT came from 0 money out the trenches.

[GOBB]

I was gonna say with regards to basketball greatness did anybody grow up rich? Maybe Kobe and Curry and that's it? Most were either poor or middle class. LeGOAT came from 0 money out the trenches.

Klay Thompson, Kevin Love, Pau Gasol, Grant Hill

[Kblaze8855]

Mostly the sons of athletes like some mentioned. Joakim Noah is another. Laimbeer dad was rich but not from basketball.

[tpols]

Klay Thompson, Kevin Love, Pau Gasol, Grant Hill

True but those guys aren't really GOAT players. Grant Hill could've been but was hurt.

[hold this L]

Guys like Brunson and Bron, they get it..

What did Bron sacrifice? :lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

What did Bron sacrifice? :lol

His first born.

Ridiculous hypothetical:

The commissioner decides the league will fold if the Lakers don't compete for a championship next season. Accordingly he voids all cap rules regarding trades involving the Lakers. Joe Lacob sells the Warriors to the ghost of Donald Sterling and he orders them to immediately get under the cap and get them a box office draw. Accordingly Dunleavy offers the Lakers Steph Curry and Andrew Wiggins for Bronny, straight up. Does Lebron allow them to do it?

[NBAGOAT]

What did Bron sacrifice? :lol

Like a couple mil to help lakers be under 2nd apron. Doesn’t compare to brunson lol but technically the same idea

[plowking]

It’s always average joes, commoners. Oops I’m sorry fans that want players to take less money. And they attach taking less to commitment to winning. It’s moronic. Nothing is sad about owner’s worth billions. Nothing is said when they sell the franchise for 2-3 times its value. But god forbid a player asks for the max. And the wealthy not rich but wealthy owner decides Inaint paying luxury tax to add a player/players to….ready for this? Help us win. So you as a fan blame the player for holding the franchise hostage financially.

I’m sorry but leaving $113,000,000 on the table so some average 9-5 joe can sit online, in a bar, at a sports arena and say “cool guy. He gets it. He’s committed to win.” ain’t a fair trade.

Basketball players are way overpaid to begin with.

He got 150 million dollars. He will be fine.

[eliteballer]

We can and should criticize Dolan for a lot of things but the Knicks have never been afraid to spend money under his watch.

[NBAGOAT]

youtuber i watch argued with nba salary cap and max contracts, stars are meant to just take the max. this isnt brady taking a paycut when there's no max contract in football. also said if more guys did it its bad for the league because more superteams will form, he's got a point there. The knicks arent a superteam but they're loaded and wont even be a 2nd apron team when they should be

[GOBB]

Basketball players are way overpaid to begin with.

He got 150 million dollars. He will be fine.

Yeah and teachers are underpaid *plays violin* smh

[warriorfan]

Yeah and teachers are underpaid *plays violin* smh

we will leave the violin playing to you

you do it as good as anyone

[ILLsmak]

Knicks is a dog shyt franchise. They get some relevance and their fan base is out in storms like they always been around. But Jalen Brunson I root for. One of the few Knicks I ever did. Not rooting for him to win it all of course but other than that. Hard to dislike/hate the guy. Even with the new found fame and attention he has created for himself. Hopefully he balls and no injuries occur. And he makes out (financially) in the end afterall.

It was tongue in cheek, but I also wasn't joking. It's cool, I guess. My main point is I can see where he is coming from, though it is a huge risk. But people betting on themselves is not wrong.

And yeah, if he doesn't get injured that would be best. He's doing pretty well to have no 'body injuries.' I don't like the Knicks, either, but it's been so long since they won, I wouldn't be mad if they did, esp not with the guys they have now. It's a fresh look.

I'm sure his money was OK or he wouldn't have done this. Shit can happen, but it should be ok. I just hope they can get another baller, this year, next year, whenever, cuz they don't have the team to win imo. If they don't have a plan to get someone else, it was a bad move. They might not get the guy, but without even a plan on who or what they were gonna get, it's kind of insane. But the way the nba works, shit is figured out a lot before people sign, even tho that's technically illegal.

-Smak

[plowking]

Yeah and teachers are underpaid *plays violin* smh

Cool. You're just saying stuff. Good on ya.

[hold this L]

Like a couple mil to help lakers be under 2nd apron. Doesn’t compare to brunson lol but technically the same idea
A couple of mill when his son just got paid 8 million despite not being worth 10% that in the NBA? That sacrifice?

[GOBB]

Cool. You're just saying stuff. Good on ya.

Cool you’re just upset at athletes who make millions. Looks bad on ya

[Norcaliblunt]

Idk Brunson being the slightly underpaid face of a winning New York Knicks team probably makes more money in the long run than supermax Brunson on a losing NY team.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Idk Brunson being the slightly underpaid face of a winning New York Knicks team probably makes more money in the long run than supermax Brunson on a losing NY team.

So long as he's there and most of the core remains the same they will have a winning record but won't win the championship. Even though he signed for so much less they still lost their postseason starting center. Now they only have one big and Mitchell Robinson had a hard time playing a lot of games and minutes. They aren't going to sign a good center in free agency (in fact that's what they lost) so they have to make a deal. And they've already traded 5 first round picks. They are almost forced to trade Randle for a center if they want a strong defense but you do that and the offense will be all about Brunson again.

[GOBB]

Idk Brunson being the slightly underpaid face of a winning New York Knicks team probably makes more money in the long run than supermax Brunson on a losing NY team.

For fun let’s say he comes up on a new deal for money. However they have an opportunity to add an important piece if he were to take less money. Does he do it (again altho not as significant as this pay cut). Or does he finally take every cent earned?

[Real14]

Let's go knicks!:applause:

[plowking]

Cool you’re just upset at athletes who make millions. Looks bad on ya

I don't compare to how much athletes get paid. Stating a fact - doesn't mean you're upset by it.

Stating you're a sad, old man doesn't mean I care or feel a way about you. It is just an observation. Whether you continue to be or not - no impact on me.

[GOBB]

I don't compare to how much athletes get paid. Stating a fact - doesn't mean you're upset by it.

Stating you're a sad, old man doesn't mean I care or feel a way about you. It is just an observation. Whether you continue to be or not - no impact on me.

You’re definitely upset. You can disguise it as just an observation nothing more nothing less. The fact you went out of your way to say there are overpaid was a red flag. Then to say he will be fine with $150mil? Second red flag. The average joe does this a lot. Ya might be envious over there but the only way to have that honest conversation is if you allowed your subconscious to talk for you. And not the d*ckhead that’s replying to me now.

[beasted]

And yet somehow Brown has a championship, which is the point behind Brunson's futile sacrifice. With all of this money that Brunson has saved James Dolan let's see who he signs. I'm sure they're going to sign someone major, right? It's not like they're capped out too and all that Brunson has done is saved a billionaire money.

Or is this not about championships? Is this just making sure you get a lot of PER and BPM? I'm sure that's much more valuable than a ring and Finals MVP. Every fan dreams of their team winning your wonderful statistics.

Let's just cut through the BS. The reality is that your homerism is the only reason you're dying on this mountain of justifying paying a top 25-30 player in the top 1% of the league.

There's no equation that can statistically place Brown in that category of worthiness. Ultimately, you know, and I know that overpaying players like Brown has never proved out to be a good idea in the long term, only short term. If you want to spare feeelings or whatever, so be it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Let's just cut through the BS.Then you would have to stop posting.
The reality is that your homerism is the only reason you're dying on this mountainCeltics having won the championship, that dead body would be your own.
of justifying paying a top 25-30 player in the top 1% of the league.His rating is your opinion, an opinion I don't value. Brown was just an indisnsible part of an NBA championship, a fact you just can't wrap your brain around, That is your problem, not mine.


There's no equation that can statistically place Brown in that category of worthiness.If you can't understand Brown's importance if it doesn't conform to some mathematical formula you likely don't even understand (Google PER and then tell me why it's important to multiply assists by 2/3 and add 3 pointers so that I can laugh at you some more) then you're ab idiot.
Ultimately, you know, and I know that overpaying players like Brown has never proved out to be a good idea in the long term, only short term. If you want to spare feeelings or whatever, so be it.Its a shame that I'm not going to remember these stupid posts when JB is playing in the Finals again next year. Oh well.

[beasted]

Yes, let's throw away statistics, they are not important. Very logical.

And if Brown never makes another Finals, another allstar, another all-NBA, and is traded for pennies on the dollar 3 years from now as he's deemed a toxic contract, you'll still be dying on the hill that it was worth paying Brown 0.5% money for a championship he hadn't won yet at the time of signing it.

By handcuffing your entire rationale into the signing being winning 1 title, even if Brown goes the Poole route, I can say Jordan Poole was an integral part of winning a title and paying him was worth it. Lamebrain logic FTW!

[RRR3]

Yes, let's throw away statistics, they are not important. Very logical.

And if Brown never makes another Finals, another allstar, another all-NBA, and is traded for pennies on the dollar 3 years from now as he's deemed a toxic contract, you'll still be dying on the hill that it was worth paying Brown 0.5% money for a championship he hadn't won yet at the time of signing it.

By handcuffing your entire rationale into the signing being winning 1 title, even if Brown goes the Poole route, I can say Jordan Poole was an integral part of winning a title and paying him was worth it. Lamebrain logic FTW!
Contracts are worth it if they lead to a championship lol, that's the literal entire point of the sport. Comparing JB to Jordan Poole is disrespectful af and I'm not even that high on Brown

[beasted]

Contracts are worth it if they lead to a championship lol, that's the literal entire point of the sport. Comparing JB to Jordan Poole is disrespectful af and I'm not even that high on Brown

It was hyperbole to demonstrate that titles aren't all that should be considered when factoring value.

The Warriors overpaid him (and Wiggins) based on results of winning a title and immediately killed any chance of winning another title with this core.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yes, let's throw away statistics, they are not important. Very logical. Tell me why I am supposed to multiply assists by 2/3 add 3 pointers and all the rest of this pre-algebra factoring in random numbers. You didn't even try to defend PER here. Did you look it up? Have you seen the equation? I'm supposed to care about whatever edge George has in this number vs Brown while Brown is leading the team to a championship? Describing how stupid this is is kind of difficult. You likely don't understand the formula you pretend are so important to begin with and yet here you are acting like it's more important than an NBA championship.


And if Brown never makes another Finals, another allstar, another all-NBA, and is traded for pennies on the dollar 3 years from now as he's deemed a toxic contract, you'll still be dying on the hill that it was worth paying Brown 0.5% money for a championship he hadn't won yet at the timsigning it. By that logic no one should ever be signed to a big contract. You can think Brown will stop playing at a star level and he's washed up but there's no reason to think these things just you desperately grasping at straws because you have lost an argument badly.


By handcuffing your entire rationale into the signing being winning 1 title, even if Brown goes the Poole route, I can say Jordan Poole was an integral part of winning a title and paying him was worth it. Lamebrain logic FTW!I mean you do seem pretty stupid so sure, you can say that.

[plowking]

You’re definitely upset. You can disguise it as just an observation nothing more nothing less. The fact you went out of your way to say there are overpaid was a red flag. Then to say he will be fine with $150mil? Second red flag. The average joe does this a lot. Ya might be envious over there but the only way to have that honest conversation is if you allowed your subconscious to talk for you. And not the d*ckhead that’s replying to me now.

I'm wondering what I'm upset about exactly?

Red flags and allowing your subconscious in - are you actually a chick posing as a dude online? You just type like one is all. Lots of female buzz words.

Envious of what? You seem the one that is one track minded and doesn't understand life or money. Once you make a certain amount, you don't care for more. Maybe that is Brunson? Actually it clearly is, considering he left it on the table to make him happier at work where he can win.
Lots of people turn down money.

[GOBB]

I'm wondering what I'm upset about exactly?

Red flags and allowing your subconscious in - are you actually a chick posing as a dude online? You just type like one is all. Lots of female buzz words.

Envious of what? You seem the one that is one track minded and doesn't understand life or money. Once you make a certain amount, you don't care for more. Maybe that is Brunson? Actually it clearly is, considering he left it on the table to make him happier at work where he can win.
Lots of people turn down money.

Once you make a certain amount you don’t care for more? Yeah spoken like someone that can’t relate to wealthy people. Otherwise we wouldn’t have folks in this thread correlating turning down money means your committed to winning vs taking makes means you’re not. You won’t find many rich folks content with what they make and aren’t trying to earn more. Which is why this move is unprecedented and the argument is “he will be eligible to make even more after this deal” is said. Clearly you’ve never been around wealthy people or listened to them talk about how much money is enough. Heck there’s books written I can recommend for you. Read it before you go to bed.

[SATAN]

9 pages of arguing about a guy taking a smaller contract. My god. Why would anyone even care about this?

[beasted]

Tell me why I am supposed to multiply assists by 2/3 add 3 pointers and all the rest of this pre-algebra factoring in random numbers. You didn't even try to defend PER here. Did you look it up? Have you seen the equation? I'm supposed to care about whatever edge George has in this number vs Brown while Brown is leading the team to a championship? Describing how stupid this is is kind of difficult. You likely don't understand the formula you pretend are so important to begin with and yet here you are acting like it's more important than an NBA championship.

By that logic no one should ever be signed to a big contract. You can think Brown will stop playing at a star level and he's washed up but there's no reason to think these things just you desperately grasping at straws because you have lost an argument badly.

I mean you do seem pretty stupid so sure, you can say that.

Your red herring doesn't work. Instead of addressing the fact that in nearly every major advanced statistical measure George performed better than Brown last season, let's attack just one of like 8 stats and try and distract everyone from the real point.

By consensus, nearly everyone believes PG is an overpaid very-good-not-great player, which deductive reasoning tells us that we should similarly think about Brown the same way. In an alternate reality, the Celtics would have likely performed no worse and had a similar outcome with PG last season.

For the record, I don't think Brown is washed up. That was a nice attempt at a strawman fallacy, and totally illogical for a 28 year old player with no major injuries. I just think his contract will be the start of a crack in the foundation of the Celtics, which will lead to a falloff, which is a good thing for all their rivals.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Your red herring doesn't work. Instead of addressing the fact that in nearly every major advanced statistical measure George performed better than Brown last season, let's attack just one of like 8 stats and try and distract everyone from the real point. A red herding argument is one that distracts from the main point with irrelevant information. The NBA Championship is the point and PER (which you still have not shown any proof that you have an understanding of) is the irrelevant information. Show me one fan that cares more about advanced statistics than championships. How many banners do teams hang up for a guy when he gets a high RAPM? No one cares about this crap but stat geks like you. People that want their team to win want them to pay stars like JB so that they can win championships.


By consensus, nearly everyone believes PG is an overpaid very-good-not-great player, which deductive reasoning tells us that we should similarly think about Brown the same way. In an alternate reality, the Celtics would have likely performed no worse and had a similar outcome with PG last season.By consensus Jaylen Brown is the Finals MVP. And that's a real consensus voted on by actual people not just you talking out of your ass.


For the record, I don't think Brown is washed up. That was a nice attempt at a strawman fallacy, and totally illogical for a 28 year old player with no major injuries. I just think his contract will be the start of a crack in the foundation of the Celtics, which will lead to a falloff, which is a good thing for all their rivals. The starting line up is contractually locked in for years. You are throwing 10 cent words on a worthless argument.

[plowking]

Once you make a certain amount you don’t care for more? Yeah spoken like someone that can’t relate to wealthy people. Otherwise we wouldn’t have folks in this thread correlating turning down money means your committed to winning vs taking makes means you’re not. You won’t find many rich folks content with what they make and aren’t trying to earn more. Which is why this move is unprecedented and the argument is “he will be eligible to make even more after this deal” is said. Clearly you’ve never been around wealthy people or listened to them talk about how much money is enough. Heck there’s books written I can recommend for you. Read it before you go to bed.

I make plenty enough to be happy - so don't need your books. Enough that I don't care to take on more responsibility to make more.

I also know plenty of wealthy people who do have enough.

I'm sure you're rolling with the billionaire squad in Philly GOBB - so keep doing you.

[plowking]

9 pages of arguing about a guy taking a smaller contract. My god. Why would anyone even care about this?

Let GOBB psycho analyse you and tell you why. He is super clever.

[GOBB]

Let GOBB psycho analyse you and tell you why. He is super clever.

Rent free

[plowking]

Rent free

I pop in here once every 3 months these days.

I'm just loving the nonsense your spinning up. You literally can't justify your position at all and online strut like you proved something lol.

[beasted]

A red herding argument is one that distracts from the main point with irrelevant information. The NBA Championship is the point and PER (which you still have not shown any proof that you have an understanding of) is the irrelevant information. Show me one fan that cares more about advanced statistics than championships. How many banners do teams hang up for a guy when he gets a high RAPM? No one cares about this crap but stat geks like you. People that want their team to win want them to pay stars like JB so that they can win championships.

By consensus Jaylen Brown is the Finals MVP. And that's a real consensus voted on by actual people not just you talking out of your ass.

The starting line up is contractually locked in for years. You are throwing 10 cent words on a worthless argument.

You keep making the same points that are persistent red herrings. I'm not going to address PER when there are multiple stats that convey the reality that George had a more successful impact as an individual contribution last season. This is a simple concept to understand. Just as George performed slightly better on an individual basis, so did Luka and Jokic, Giannis, etc, on a massive level. Can we agree that stats, regardless of which ones you want to choose can measure a player's individual impact that have nothing to do with team results? Let's kill this red herring about PER. Stats very much do matter. Saying because one player won a title the stats are an irrelevant measure of production is an irrational argument. I hope we can agree that stats are a good measure of impact and put this fallacy to bed.

2nd red herring, value is not directly proportional linked to results. If that was the case then every free agent who just won the championship deserves a max contract, right? No, we both don't believe that. Value is related to results, but not completely dependent on them. You must attempt to analyze how a player performed in a vacuum first, then weigh in the team's results second. Suggesting JB and only JB could have won with this team and say Edwards or Shai would be automatically incapable of winning if placed in his place is a child-like analysis and artificially inflates value simply as a result of circumstances and minimizes what the Celtics as a team that is very stacked with talent accomplished. This easily becomes the Robert Horry rings argument. Finals MVP isn't a vacuum either. There's Billups Finals MVPs, and there's Giannis, Wade, Jordan level Finals MVPs. Brown is much closer to the former than the latter.

Finally, let's look past those red herrings and begin actually composing the stats plus results into a real discussion about what Brown was worth leading up to his extension (IE: he was not already a champion) and what was his value at the time that he signed and projected moving forward. Given that the Celtics signed Brown to an extension on the heels of 6 straight playoff appearances that JB contributed to in a significant level, yes, one can argue that before paying Brown his contract, the Celtics projected that he could contribute to a sustained contending formula. You can also make the case that lthough George, a comparable, but older player may not be worth a max on the free market because he hasn't had similar team results, to the Celtics and only the Cs, because of the mix of chemistry, timing, and ease, signing Brown to a max is a smart long term decision. Their bid paid of in a title this past season before the extension has even kicked in. However, contracts aren't built on trying to win one title and that has been my argument. A team must attempt to forecast how their team's payroll in the coming years will coalesce, and project how tradeable a player will be down the line.

Moving forward however, the Celtics are a 2nd apron team and will have 2 players making 70% of the cap. Trades, signings, exceptions, and profits are compromised. Their Center position is exposed with Horford seriously up there in age and producing at a level that is unrealistic to sustain. KP has been and will likely continue to be injury prone. Giving themselves as much financial flexibility, and not overpaying helps keep the train moving forward. I believe that based on his impact JB is overpaid and there is comparable production available from much cheaper players. Trading his at his impact vs pay value will be difficult and will net a lesser combination of players.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You keep making the same points that are persistent red herrings. I'm not going to address PER when there are multiple stats that convey the reality that George had a more successful impact as an individual contribution last season. This is a simple concept to understand. Just as George performed slightly better on an individual basis, so did Luka and Jokic, Giannis, etc, on a massive level. Can we agree that stats, regardless of which ones you want to choose can measure a player's individual impact that have nothing to do with team results? Let's kill this red herring about PER. Stats very much do matter. Saying because one player won a title the stats are an irrelevant measure of production is an irrational argument. I hope we can agree that stats are a good measure of impact and put this fallacy to bed.Again with the stupid George vs Brown argument. If you don't understand things like PER that's fine but therefore you should not be bringing them up. Brown signed his supermax deal as a 26 year-old coming off an All-NBA season where he average 26.6 points, 6.9 rebounds and 3.5 assists. Paul George is 34 years old averaging 22.6 points, 5.2 rebounds and 3.5 assists. And not All-NBA. With those numbers at that age he is still making 53 million PER. He will be making that money at 38 years old, an age at which most players have retired. Being 6 years younger when he was signed, the Celtics having his Bird rights, him being All-NBA and having helped lead the Celtics to far more playoff success of course he is going to get more money. You don't seem to understand that the supermax was created as the additional reward/incentive that keeps superstars with their original teams. By making All-NBA Brown qualified for the supermax and by making the supermax something that you have to win a special award to be eligible for the CBA set the supermax as the going rate for an All-NBA player, especially one that is entering into his prime.

In the first year of this contract Brown has scored less points because the team brought in two more stars (one of whom averaged 20) but led the team to an NBA championship, won Conference Finals MVP and then Finals MVP. The Celtics have no regrets here. The only one with a problem appears to be you and a few other idiots online that have nothing to do with the situation whatsoever.



2nd red herring, value is not directly proportional linked to results. If that was the case then every free agent who just won the championship deserves a max contract, right? No, we both don't believe that. Value is related to results, but not completely dependent on them. You must attempt to analyze how a player performed in a vacuum first, then weigh in the team's results second. Suggesting JB and only JB could have won with this team and say Edwards or Shai would be automatically incapable of winning if placed in his place is a child-like analysis and artificially inflates value simply as a result of circumstances and minimizes what the Celtics as a team that is very stacked with talent accomplished. This easily becomes the Robert Horry rings argument. Finals MVP isn't a vacuum either. There's Billups Finals MVPs, and there's Giannis, Wade, Jordan level Finals MVPs. Brown is much closer to the former than the latter.We are talking about one of the Celtics best players, the superstar that won Finals MVP. Could the Celtics have won with SGA or Anthony Edwards? Sure...but those are supermax-worthy players so that's a stupid "point." You compare him to Robert Horry because you're an idiot that can't seem to take an L.


Finally, let's look past those red herrings and begin actually composing the stats plus results into a real discussion about what Brown was worth leading up to his extension (IE: he was not already a champion) and what was his value at the time that he signed and projected moving forward. Given that the Celtics signed Brown to an extension on the heels of 6 straight playoff appearances that JB contributed to in a significant level, yes, one can argue that before paying Brown his contract, the Celtics projected that he could contribute to a sustained contending formula. You can also make the case that lthough George, a comparable, but older player may not be worth a max on the free market because he hasn't had similar team results, to the Celtics and only the Cs, because of the mix of chemistry, timing, and ease, signing Brown to a max is a smart long term decision. Their bid paid of in a title this past season before the extension has even kicked in. However, contracts aren't built on trying to win one title and that has been my argument. A team must attempt to forecast how their team's payroll in the coming years will coalesce, and project how tradeable a player will be down the line.

Moving forward however, the Celtics are a 2nd apron team and will have 2 players making 70% of the cap. Trades, signings, exceptions, and profits are compromised. Their Center position is exposed with Horford seriously up there in age and producing at a level that is unrealistic to sustain. KP has been and will likely continue to be injury prone. Giving themselves as much financial flexibility, and not overpaying helps keep the train moving forward. I believe that based on his impact JB is overpaid and there is comparable production available from much cheaper players. Trading his at his impact vs pay value will be difficult and will net a lesser combination of players.Yeah I'm bored at this point and am not going to bother reading this last part. I'm assuming that you wrote it so you probably wrote "red herring" and then something stupid.

[GOBB]

I pop in here once every 3 months these days.

I'm just loving the nonsense your spinning up. You literally can't justify your position at all and online strut like you proved something lol.

I pop in even less and still see/deal with the same stupidity in logic. Best part is the predictable responses like so. Cringe. Rent is due btw

[Norcaliblunt]

For fun let’s say he comes up on a new deal for money. However they have an opportunity to add an important piece if he were to take less money. Does he do it (again altho not as significant as this pay cut). Or does he finally take every cent earned?

So for fun do you believe when another person comes up it’s a direct result of another person losing?

There is no scenario in your mind where everyone can win?

It’s all just digits on your bank account right?

MVP Steve Nash made less than both Amare and Marion. If Amare and Marion take less they win chips and are immorlized forever making major bank.

Some of y’all are so short sighted it’s crazy.

[Norcaliblunt]

Brunson does himself no favors asking for more, hindering who the Knicks can sign, while playing on a losing squad.

In fact there probably isn’t a worse career decision for homie.

I mean if you wanna get clowned by the Ny media and be the leading example of their incompetence.

Lmao.

You’re losing money in that scenario.

[Real Men Wear Green]

So for fun do you believe when another person comes up it’s a direct result of another person losing?

There is no scenario in your mind where everyone can win?

It’s all just digits on your bank account right?

MVP Steve Nash made less than both Amare and Marion. If Amare and Marion take less they win chips and are immorlized forever making major bank.

Some of y’all are so short sighted it’s crazy.

MVP Steve Nash would have stayed in Dallas if they had offered him more money. When he left maverick fans started calling him "Steve Cash."
You’re losing money in that scenario. We can't quantify a decision like Brunson's because we will never know how much he makes off the court if he makes the other choice. But it's going to be very hard to recover a hundred million in endorsement money and I feel sure that he won't do it if the knicks dont win a championship. I doubt he would even if they did. As the star of the knicks he had a lot of opportunities either way. Does a championship equal an extra hundred million? That's a tall mountain to climb. And then we have the inconvenient truth that he almost definitely won't win a ring as a Knick.

This decision wasn't about money though.

[Norcaliblunt]

MVP Steve Nash would have stayed in Dallas if they had offered him more money. When he left maverick fans started calling him "Steve Cash." We can't quantify a decision like Brunson's because we will never know how much he makes off the court if he makes the other choice. But it's going to be very hard to recover a hundred million in endorsement money and I feel sure that he won't do it if the knicks dont win a championship. I doubt he would even if they did. As the star of the knicks he had a lot of opportunities either way. Does a championship equal an extra hundred million? That's a tall mountain to climb. And then we have the inconvenient truth that he almost definitely won't win a ring as a Knick.

This decision wasn't about money though.


Yo wants funny is how Steve Nash and the Suns never get brought up.

So you’re talking about Dallas Fans calling him Steve Cash for bouncing out?


Shark tank dude never even gave him an offer. Y’all wanna cry about players and their rights but y’all never bring up how mark shark tank never even gave Nash an offer. Let that rest for a second.


So homie took a less than max deal went and played with people who most certainly weren’t max level players but received max deals. Lmao.

[Norcaliblunt]

Literally the only reason the warriors win all them chips and signed KD is because Steph was on a none max deal.

If Steph tried to be the well known superstar’ making max money that prevents the Golden State Dynasty straight up.

And everyone makes less.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yo wants funny is how Steve Nash and the Suns never get brought up.

So you’re talking about Dallas Fans calling him Steve Cash for bouncing out?


Shark tank dude never even gave him an offer. Y’all wanna cry about players and their rights but y’all never bring up how mark shark tank never even gave Nash an offer. Let that rest for a second.


So homie took a less than max deal went and played with people who most certainly weren’t max level players but received max deals. Lmao. This is false (https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1834043).

Nash just found a better offer. And furthermore he left a contender that ended up winning a championship to get paid. Nash's problem was that the Mavericks badly underestimated his value.

[Norcaliblunt]

This is false (https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1834043).

Nash just found a better offer. And furthermore he left a contender that ended up winning a championship to get paid. Nash's problem was that the Mavericks badly underestimated his value.

I stand corrected and if Nash would’ve taken Cubans lesser offer Dallas ends up winning a couple chips and Nash makes more in the long run.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I stand corrected and if Nash would’ve taken Cubans lesser offer Dallas ends up winning a couple chips and Nash makes more in the long run.
It's hard to say that Nah makes more money if he takes Cubans deal. He may get more love if they win a championship but he made a lot t of money off the court as a two time mvp to go along with the bigger paycheck he got from the Suns. If we're talking about a back up making ads for bars and cat dealerships then taking leads from a contender could end up paying off but it's not the same for a star.

[Norcaliblunt]

It's hard to say that Nah makes more money if he takes Cubans deal. He may get more love if they win a championship but he made a lot t of money off the court as a two time mvp to go along with the bigger paycheck he got from the Suns. If we're talking about a back up making ads for bars and cat dealerships then taking leads from a contender could end up paying off but it's not the same for a star.

I think a Dirk and Nash duo winning at least 2 chips could rack in a lot of $$$$$$.

I’m talking way more than Kobe / Shaq and Lebron / Wade for obvious reasons.

But yeah that is an interesting debate. The money you can make from personal accolades versus team ones.

Does a two time champ white boy Nash Dirk duo make more than just a 2 time white boy MVP?

Taking max on a loser gives you nothing but your contract, and could additionally give you a lot of unquantifiable hate though. Costing you money.

So who knows?

[plowking]

I pop in even less and still see/deal with the same stupidity in logic. Best part is the predictable responses like so. Cringe. Rent is due btw

You this mad in real life? What got you upset? You hanging out with the Philly billionaires over there. Chin up.

Tell me a story about how a rich person did something to keep their money.

[GOBB]

You this mad in real life? What got you upset? You hanging out with the Philly billionaires over there. Chin up.

Tell me a story about how a rich person did something to keep their money.

Straight babble. Tough times on your end my friend. You rarely spend time on this board and here you are. Spending your time babbling. Yikes.

[plowking]

Straight babble. Tough times on your end my friend. You rarely spend time on this board and here you are. Spending your time babbling. Yikes.

Stuck at home with the flu/COVID. Time on my hands.

[GOBB]

Stuck at home with the flu/COVID. Time on my hands.

That sucks.